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CCP Rouge C C P C C P Alliance 8	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:58:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge

TheReaper545 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:59:00 - [2] - Quote Whats in store for dust? When I say this I mean what "new stuff " are we getting euch as drones and weapons and pilot suits?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1589	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:01:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge stop asking yourself easy questions so you can look smart. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1725	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:01:00 - [4] - Quote TheReaper545 wrote: Whats in store for dust. Not much... CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1435	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:01:00 - [5] - Quote Development on dust or legion? *Assassination is my thing.*
Avallo Kantor Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 373	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:02:00 - [6] - Quote Thank you for coming to the forums to reply to our concerns. My first question: In the event that "Project Legion" does NOT become something more than a prototype, what will be the next step? Will DUST continue as is? Or will the idea of ground mercenaries in New Eden be ended for the foreseeable future?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 723	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:02:00 - [7] - Quote Reserved. But thank fckong God for answer 1. Too busy burning the forum to give a S H I T!
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1513	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:02:00 - [8] - Quote Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that? And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
InsidiousN Ancient Exiles. 319	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:03:00 - [9] - Quote Why are console players being prohibited from entering the EVE Universe? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2614	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:03:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Now, this is a problem. Isn't your Dust514 community on consolle? so if I ever want to "keep" my character I'll have to buy a good PC, while I already have a ps4? Do I have to "wait" the Soon (tm)? A playstation 4 version of Legion? I think I represent the vast majority of italian community: "No way." A fresh new start, I understand it all. Many mechanics are just simply broken. But do a fresh new start on ps3 to some extent and ps4 with your awesome game. I am not a Dust merc. I am a multi-vet MAG player searching for a new home.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9305	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:04:00 - [11] - Quote Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great diservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1294	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:04:00 - [12] - Quote Why should I continue to trust in CCP having seen the way Legion and its presentation were handled? As of this point, it doesn't even matter if I could possibly play on the PS4 in the future, as I cannot trust that you will stand by your claims. I would never have devoted the time I have to this game had I known you were going to abandon the platform. Looking for the scout hangout?
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 139	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:04:00 - [13] - Quote where is all the stuff we were promised TWO years ago? wait nevermind, Project legion is getting it instead of us ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
DJINN Loki 150	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:07:00 - [14] - Quote thanks for the reply. i think it will help simmer things down a bit. I'm not happy about how the whole thing went down, but i understand why its being done and believe that for dust to be the game we want it to be, it needed to move away from the PS3. i don't really have a question to ask, but just wanted to say that i still support the game and you guys and look forward to legion. ill still keep playing dust in the hope that if our characters do move over to legion, ill still have a high SP character and tons of ISK. word
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 142	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:07:00 - [15] - Quote My main question is why build a player base on console, and then shift to at totally different platform of PC? Yes, I understand that you all at CCP are far more adept at designing games on PC (EVE), but to build a community on one platform and then "jump ship" is just horrid. An example would be as if the HALO franchise decided to jump from Xbox to PC abandoning the Xbox player base as development slowed to a crawl for Xbox HALO and development for PC HALO soared to new heights. Did you only view us as "Legion Beta Testers" for the failed vision (on console) that WAS DUST 514? If Legion was meant to be on PC, why even take the DUST 514 console step? Why not immediately begin work on Legion on PC in the first place without the need for DUST 514 to even exist? The forgotten "A" in AAA
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 619	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:09:00 - [16] - Quote now thats more like it. think ccp need to sack the PR guys and get some new ones who can write statements with correct info so the s**t doesnt hit the fan liek it constantly does with announcements. this is the second time in about 6months we've had half fed info (the whole bpo removal scandal) would it realy be so hard to have had these FAQs prepared before announcing Legion? as for fanfest itself the dust segment was a huge disappointment. had hoped for far more info Rolling with the punches
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 297	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:10:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:10:00 - [18] - Quote Ban me till your blue in the face CCP - you took my money and data and gave it away without giving me a way to follow. How is that not THE MOST SCUM THING A GAMING COMPANY CAN DO?? Respond to me instead of banning me. You don't ** into a crowd and expect them to smile at you with good response. Answer me - I have been a loyal follower of dust for 2 ***** years and you're now pissing all over me AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION TO THOSE YOUR SCREWING. I have over 50 PSN's and I will be god damn heard.
ContraBanJoe Bob Loblaw Space Attorneys FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 367	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:11:00 - [19] - Quote Where is the apology about how this was "revealed"? You outraged your Dust514 audience both AT fanfest, and the thousands of mercenaries viewing it from home on the live feed. An apology is paramount to restarting constructive dialog in my opinion. FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE Planetary Response Organisation / Faction Warfare Army / Good Luck Or At least Try
Avallo Kantor Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 374	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:12:00 - [20] - Quote My second question: I believe that Legion will be using the Unreal Engine 4 (Where as DUST uses 3) They also will both be interacting with EVE online and it's database, and it's market. How much development with EVE could be done "in parallel"; meaning are there things with EVE (such as OBs of today) which could be added to DUST while developing Legion. For example, many such features seem to be more practical to introduced into DUST and Legion at the same time, such as the "progression" presentation, as well as the full market integration (Which should be largely EVE-side code?)

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2929	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:12:00 - [21] - Quote IN CAPS SO THIS IS UNDERSTOOD..... MOST OF US DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT LEGION. WE ARE CONSOLE PLAYERS NOT PC PLAYERS. If Legion becomes a reality, we won't be transitioning to pc for it. Now, you may not care because there are some eve players that will play it and a few others. But you will definitely lose the core group of guys who have been spending hundreds of dollars on dust and helping you guys with the fps design learning curve. Now, you may say, "fugg the console players, there are plenty of pc players that we can tap into"....but then be honest about it. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2963	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:12:00 - [22] - Quote There will need to be a little more specifics before anyone buys what you are selling. Plus, no console support is a non starter for many of us. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:12:00 - [23] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: Where is the apology about how this was "revealed"? You outraged your Dust514 audience both AT fanfest, and the thousands of mercenaries viewing it from home on the live feed. An apology is paramount to restarting constructive dialog in my opinion. Where's your apology for being a douche? Pot calling the kettle black. You abused this system enough, let those who actually lose something here be out-raged. Not you attention seeking fruit-cakes.
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 617	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:13:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. This. Either you get this through your heads or admit that you don't give a **** about the community that stuck through with this ALPHA test for an unannounced CCP project for years and devoted countless hours and quite a bit of money for you to have a solid basis to start working on your new game. You have to get that your playerbase for Dust is a console gaming base (regardless of the few who exclusively bought a PS3 for Dust and Dust alone)... It is immaterial how many of them would be willing to follow you over to a completely new platform when given no choice, THEY SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 822	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:15:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: I'd like to answer a few of your questions Will you really? Or you just answered your own questions and stormed off showing us the finger once more? em ta kool t'nod
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 627	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:16:00 - [26] - Quote If this does stay PC only, will you put effort into controller support? I am an FPS player born of Goldeneye, not CS. I have many years behind me with that interface and learning KBM now for FPS, not the actual purchase of a PC would be my show stopper. Work with a company to develope and market a Dust :(Legion) branded controller and I would buy it. I truly hope this comes to PS 4. After many years of pain, my home is finally Microsoft free, and I would like to keep it that way. YouTube
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2929	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:16:00 - [27] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: My second question: I believe that Legion will be using the Unreal Engine 4 (Where as DUST uses 3) They also will both be interacting with EVE online and it's database, and it's market. How much development with EVE could be done "in parallel"; meaning are there things with EVE (such as OBs of today) which could be added to DUST while developing Legion. For example, many such features seem to be more practical to introduced into DUST and Legion at the same time, such as the "progression" presentation, as well as the full market integration (Which should be largely EVE-side code?) Stop ******* asking about Legion....we are trying to preserve dust on the console. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 297	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:16:00 - [28] - Quote Thank you providing something more concrete, rather than keeping us guessing. If 1) is a promise, I'm somewhat appeased. I still don't know if I'll be buying a dedicated gaming PC, though. Then again, I'm not sure I'll be buying a PS4 any time soon, either. You've started righting the wrongs, but I still think there should be some kind of acknowledgment that you could've communicated this way better than dropping the bomb at fanfest without any useful info of the game we have now - ie Dust. Also, an apology to the Dust-only fans that paid for tickets and flights to Iceland only to be humiliated during the so-called Dust keynote (which was practically devoid of info about Dust).
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 908	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:17:00 - [29] - Quote Here are my questions: You've said you'll continue development for Dust, great. Regarding that: 1) What Developers will be working on what title? 2) Are there any departments NOT working on Dust 514 anymore? 3) Do you intend to bring out actual new content to Dust 514 rather than just balances/bug fixes? This may mean new weapons, maps and vehicles. 4) It has been confirmed that PvE will NEVER hit the ps3, will the Player Market be developed for the PS3 title, or at least is that a consideration? Thank you. RIP Dust.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:19:00 - [30] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: My second question: I believe that Legion will be using the Unreal Engine 4 (Where as DUST uses 3) They also will both be interacting with EVE online and it's database, and it's market. How much development with EVE could be done "in parallel"; meaning are there things with EVE (such as OBs of today) which could be added to DUST while developing Legion. For example, many such features seem to be more practical to introduced into DUST and Legion at the same time, such as the "progression" presentation, as well as the full market integration (Which should be largely EVE-side code?) Stop ******* asking about Legion....we are trying to preserve dust on the console. Oh, Dust will be preserved. As Legions down-syndrome cousin twice removed.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3762	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:19:00 - [31] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: Where is the apology about how this was "revealed"? You outraged your Dust514 audience both AT fanfest, and the thousands of mercenaries viewing it from home on the live feed. An apology is paramount to restarting constructive dialog in my opinion. Well said, until that happens all I hear is noise from a POS. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3067	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:20:00 - [32] - Quote An apology for how the announcement of Project Legion was handled would be appreciated, but otherwise this post is exactly what we needed. Point 1 is the most important for me. If our DUST characters could not be transferred there would be no point in continuing to play DUST. Lack of persistence is why I donGÇÖt play any other FPS games. I am an MMO player at hart. I lost my login bonus on Friday after close to 90 consecutive days of logging in, because I just could not bring myself to log in to a character who was on Death Row. Now that we have some assurance of persistence, I can go back to enjoying DUST 514 until EVE:Legion goes into Beta. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 547	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 - [33] - Quote If only CCP had listened to EVE players originally Dust never would have been on ps3 to begin with. Pretty much all the reasons CCP has given for the switch to PC are the same reasons the EVE players told them going ps3 was a bad idea. I feel better now at least knowing my Dust toon might not go to waste. And I am happy that going PC will allow this game to reach the level we have all wanted for so long. I am sad that CCP had burned so many bridges with this move and most importantly, how they handled it. I am also sad that many of the friends I have made in Dust are only console gamers and most probably won't switch to PC. :( Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2936	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 - [34] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Here are my questions: You've said you'll continue development for Dust, great. Regarding that: 1) What Developers will be working on what title? 2) Are there any departments NOT working on Dust 514 anymore? 3) Do you intend to bring out actual new content to Dust 514 rather than just balances/bug fixes? This may mean new weapons, maps and vehicles. 4) It has been confirmed that PvE will NEVER hit the ps3, will the Player Market be developed for the PS3 title, or at least is that a consideration? Thank you. much better questions weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Avallo Kantor Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 376	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 - [35] - Quote If you wish to help allay a lot of community rage, could you please try to answer this question: Is there anything that would -prevent- you from porting to the PS4 / XBONE from the PC using the Unreal 4? If you are unable to say, could you at least say that you are unable to say?
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 912	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 - [36] - Quote Also to add, there are a few things we need, Rouge. 1) An Apology. The way you handled the situation was appalling. This fault is YOURS, and the CPM and other devs are getting a lot of stick for it. You owe it to us and them to come clean and admit you ****** up. 2) Stop talking about Legion. We actually don't care right now. Legion is the future, you can work on that and do whatever, but right now we need to know what's happening to our baby. Basically, STOP TALKING ABOUT LEGION. RIP Dust.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1995	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 - [37] - Quote When is the DUST Keynote taking place? How do you feel about pushing SP events in the past months and then bascially declare DUST for dead, therefore effectively robbing people of money? In extension of previous question, how do you think Dust fans that spent a lot of money to attend FF felt when you gave them your middle finger right in their faces at the Legion Keynote? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 - [38] - Quote Thank you for finally speaking up CCP Rouge. For better or worst I think a lot of the fear, anger and hysteria has snowballed into an out of control avalanche, a rioting mob that keeps chanting a mantra: "DUST has been abandoned, we have been cheated." The real sad part here is that this conclusion has been reached not via any solid facts but through innuendo - an apparent psychic ability of angry players to read "between the lines" of what CCP is actually doing. One can be rather selective in what you choose to interpret: Yes they said that most of the new progression ideas are about Legion but also it is emphasised that as much as possible - as much as the PS3 system allows without braking the existing gameplay - will be inserted into DUST. Additionally, although PC has been announced as the new direction, no one has denied the possibility of PS4 or consoles. Rather PC as a platform is to be seen as a stepping stone. If you read into all this with a detached mind, it is kind of obvious that LEGION is suppose to be seen as the hope for all the unrealised, un-manifested future visions rather then an immediate and definitive replacement of DUST. Thats what I read between the lines, which is a positive and hopeful approach. But to see it like that one has to have some good will. And in defence of the community reaction I think there is not much of that left. The reasons for that we also know: CCP as the new kid on the FPS/console block had to contend with a very large amount of scepticism right from the start. And rightly so, they have made serious mistakes, they bit off more then they could chew. They kept inspiring people with their future vision and now that many started believing and hoping... comes this massive change of direction. The hard fact is this: Despite the shock people must admit that in order to realise this vision such a change is not only necessary but inevitable. Perhaps CCP should not have revealed LEGION in such an early stage at all. Perhaps they are naive in believing that people will see the good instead of the bad. It is counter intuitive but most players always look for surety and guarantees in what is essentially a very fluid and uncertain process. Nothing is written in stone, especially in such a innovative process. If one looks at it more like a river flow, constantly changing and evolving it would be easier to see that the glass is half full and not half empty.
DarthMcFizzle The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 - [39] - Quote Think about those poor Amarr mercs that'll never get any new content... ( On Dust that is)
Megan Steel DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs 7	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 - [40] - Quote O boy... The relief seeing #1 question

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9317	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:23:00 - [41] - Quote Oh and just so you know, I lost trust in CCP in the span of 30 minutes. The guy who spent 400+ dollars on DUST lost trust on it faster than it takes to deliever a pizza. GG Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 147	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:23:00 - [42] - Quote It's pretty comical how EA-ish this post sounds, but are any of our posted questions going to be actually answered? The forgotten "A" in AAA
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2936	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:24:00 - [43] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: If only CCP had listened to EVE players originally Dust never would have been on ps3 to begin with. Pretty much all the reasons CCP has given for the switch to PC are the same reasons the EVE players told them going ps3 was a bad idea. I feel better now at least knowing my Dust toon might not go to waste. And I am happy that going PC will allow this game to reach the level we have all wanted for so long. I am sad that CCP had burned so many bridges with this move and most importantly, how they handled it. I am also sad that many of the friends I have made in Dust are only console gamers and most probably won't switch to PC. :( eve players are some of the worse fps players I've ever seen in a shooter. I predict Eve Legion to be filled with guys that can't understand that an AR does no damage to the MCC man....fugg this, I'm out weRideNDie2getha since 2010
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 948	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 - [44] - Quote Decent PR writing. Logibro, just post under your name, not Rouge's, we can all see you under that name.. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1517	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 - [45] - Quote I don't want to be rude, but ya'll might want to start responding or else the forums will go ablaze again. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 554	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 - [46] - Quote Spademan wrote: Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that? And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC. if they do this i may stay but i want my 10 years of dust development like u promised
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1517	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:28:00 - [47] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Spademan wrote: Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that? And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC. if they do this i may stay but i want my 10 years of dust development like u promised If they do those two things, then legion can easily be thought of an expansion, like rubicon is to eve, it may require some new hardware, but so does EVE. (Try playing it now on the same computers that were used to play it 10 years ago) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13783	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:29:00 - [48] - Quote Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? DUST is DEAD Quit?
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 597	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:31:00 - [49] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2531	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:31:00 - [50] - Quote Quote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. That sounds like something. The "applicable" does concern me though. So does that mean that I won't get SP transferred over I spent in say Commando Suits, if the commando suits are not in the Project Legion when it launches? Also the question of how BPOs would convert is very important. Some exclusive Dropsuits only for people having bought these BPOs in Dust would be nice. But if tha's a no can do I would like to see the Aurum I spent on these BPOs on my character in Legion. BPOs are the second biggest question during the transferring because this is stuff many of us spent hundreds of Gé¼ / $ / whatever on. I'll wait for what you have to announce. Until then I won't play Dust. And do us all a favor: Have answers like these ready the next time you decide to make a decision as severe as this one. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Sarcastic Dreamkiller BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 128	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:32:00 - [51] - Quote I'm glad that sp and everything else will transfer, but I won't be playing Legion when it comes out, consider this as one customer lost.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13790	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:33:00 - [52] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY DUST is DEAD Quit?
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 871	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:34:00 - [53] - Quote Lets simplify things. The entire dev team has been working on Legion for fanfest, meaning that's the status quo going forward. Like you said, the Dust 514 development you will have is minimal, and rightly so, I don't think you can develop for two games with 60 staff. Dust will die, that's a given now. You've clarified that we'll be able to take our skills and inventory with us, so I think most people are satisfied. There will be no new significant content on Dust until it's death - you've also made this abundantly clear ... if you had any content whatsoever you would have presented it - you didn't and you gave a confused answer as to the future of Dust, so that's clear too. I for one don't need to (and won't) spend any further funds on Dust, and don't need to play it anymore - it has a foot in the grave and you've made that abundantly clear. I think you've also learnt how to destroy a gaming community in a day and how not to announce the death of a game.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2043	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:34:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Nothing new in this thread, you are just repeating what we already know. PS4 version should be the priority, not PC, the company is already working on PS4 with Valkirye, what is the problem with a PS4 version of Legion? I don't care to lose SP, isk or my stuff, i just want to play the game, but if it's gonna be on PC, i simply can't afford to buy a gaming PC for a game. While I and a lot of other people here are willing to buy a PS4 and continue our experience on this game. We feel betrayed, because we, the dust community, have played for more then 1 year to dust and you have used us, to acquire feedback to create a game for the EVE community not for the DUST community. We have been your guinea pigs. So please, take a step back and develop for both PC and PS4. I'm sure that this will be one of more quiet answer you will read in this thread, again please, take your player base in consideration. It was fun till it lasted...
Eddie Rio The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 111	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:35:00 - [55] - Quote Hi Rouge, firstly i wish you were on board with this game all those years ago when dust was just a short trailer at a fanfest, my mind exploded with ideas about what dust would become. it then was announced to be released on the PS3 and if I'm honest my heart sank a bit, but I went out and got myself a PS3 as I thought it was still going to be something special. The forums of eve players erupted with hate for ccp as they are now: 'my eve subscription money going towards a game on a console I don't even own', I heard those words all the way through dust's development. but I did not care as I shared ccp's vision of this game and was willing it to do well.. I loved dust, but saw it quickly become a lobby shooter and begin to alienate new players joining, this was not where we were first told it would go, and when planetary conquest came out and people had to set there watches to a poorly implemented feature I became a very casual player, but still loved to log in and play a few games of an fps game set within the eve universe... the game was not working, it sank hard and with it my dreams of what i was wanting from a fps set in eve. I was saying to my friends how I would love it to released on pc, as I thought you could get the whole team involved in connecting it to eve and update and add features so much easier and not be limited to console which will eventually every now and again have to be upgraded to the latest gen. I thought you would announce a PS4 release, (i thought this might happen at E3 along with the launch of the consoles tbh) I was shocked and excited once announced you were working on PC. I can completely understand everyone's rage and there reasons, but personally I can see through all that, as i did when it was announced to be on PS3. I know this wont make me popular with the vets that feel as if they lost everything, but I feel as though instead of dust514 dying on its arse and fading away like many other games I have played we are given a second chance. I am a gamer, I don't define myself as a pc gamer, or a console gamer, I just like playing games... I really hope things settle down a little bit and we get to find out more about what the direction for this IP is going in both its forms. announcing it at fanfest was insensitive, but I guess there is no easy way to break something like this to a community. I am here to stay and I also look forward to legion.. these are difficult times, difficult times indeed Im just hoping a phoenix will rise from the ashes.... My YouTube
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 207	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:37:00 - [56] - Quote Early Feedback? 1. Public Relations consultant 2. Not the way to drop this announcement 3. Work with Sony to reimburse customers for Aurum purchases for the last X months. Consider it an investment in trying to claw back some of the goodwill CCP has burned. 4. Do something meaningful to recognize the DUST-only players that flew to Iceland for this....fiasco 5. Within the constraints of your contractual obligations with Sony stop bullshitting the PS3 players. 6. Dust 514 to PC makes complete sense; hope a port to PS4 comes after 7. Give better details if you want better feedback. You inflicted more questions than answers with the clumsy manner in which this was handled. *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur*
Archer Yorcot S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:38:00 - [57] - Quote 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. - - - - - - - If you had concrete, tangible plans to address these issues why didn't you show them at Fanfest? Dust is the game we're stuck with until Legion drops, which in your own words "Its at least a year away, I believe." http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-02-ccp-re-imagines-ps3-shooter-dust-514-for-pc-as-project-legion The player base is leaving in droves in part, because your failure to announce specific fixes to these issues has confirmed that they will continue to plague this game until you pull the plug. This forum signature is OP.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1305	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:40:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. Except it was clearly stated that Legion abilities are directly related to getting better gear. Which will be acquired by the more traditional EVE point and click to find the Salvage. To either release or destroy the Salvage Bots; That part was unclear. However, the first means you will not support SP. One of the very items you must be trying to do is negate the advantages the vets over New Berries. Quote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Every resource you put on Legion Ganks Dust. And half of your Dust team in CCP/Shanghai has been working on this, not Dust. And not fixing bugs in Dust. Which you think they would because the bugs in Dust are Legion. Quote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Consider you aren't even sure that Legion is a viable game that is actually a truthful answer. Quote: 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. SOON( BS ); SOON( vaporware ); SOON( HTFU ). Aka typical EVE answers. Quote: Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge If you ever respond that will be an improvement. Although your response will be biased by the HTFU videos ringing in the halls of CCP. You got my money. You will not get anymore. Fool me once and all that, don't cha know? And I haven't seen information about a replacement product handled worse, except the last Osborne computer. All it did was kill the company. This one will kill Dust, with luck it will kill Legion as well. At least your EVE players are enjoying how much you have Ganked us. They are so sweet in the Locals poison wouldn't melt in their mouths. Its a shame they are flying so high in their Pods. Because Ganking EVE players would be the very best therapy right about now. Another day, another Shiv, welcome to New Eden. And so it goes.
iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 40	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:42:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge I'm glad to hear that characters will be transferred in some form. Also, in spite of forum rage, I'm excited about Dust's evolution onto a more powerful platform. (Personally, given the ease of console gaming, I would have preferred PS4, but I have come to terms with CCP's decision to take into account the limitations of console development for an open-world concept game like Dust.) With this in mind my question is: in anticipation of the transfer to the Personal Computer, I'm wondering whether you have a projected range of System Requirements (for Low, Medium, High settings). Honestly, my knowledge of PCs is very limited. So I would appreciate CCP's own build/company recommendations for reliable mid-range computers that will be able to run Legion at Medium to High settings. (I think I saw an Alienware during the keynote. Is this something CCP games would certify?) Also, I know you said that Legion is in its early stage of development, but is there some kind of time frame forLegion?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1605	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:45:00 - [60] - Quote Spademan wrote: Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that? And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC. he said 'applicable skills and inventory'. that means no. they're working on a completely different skill tree and suit building system. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 379	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:47:00 - [61] - Quote Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 168	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:48:00 - [62] - Quote First off, thank you for your statement, it feels better knowing progression in Dust won't be waisted. With that sad, it sadly think revealing this at Fanfest (especially during the "Dust" keynote) was the wrong move, and something that should have been exiting was just gone in an instance. My question: - Since you state PS3 development will continue (albeit limited), what do you think about bringing PVE (in a simple form) to "test the ground" for Legion so to say? Personally, I am not done with dust, and will most likely play Legion. I fully understand (and support) WHY you do it. However, I strongly disagree HOW this was presented to the community.
Erasmus Konstantin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 41	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:48:00 - [63] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Hey - HEY! You show some respect. He has OVER 50 PSN accounts and spent a stupid amount of money on a bad game that went nowhere! He BOUGHT his respect, you better show it!!! Actually, seeing him melt down kinda made the legion thing worth it.
Matobar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 240	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:50:00 - [64] - Quote Why was the Fanfest schedule disingenuously labeled? Whose decision was it to label DUST 514 sections and instead of discussing DUST 514 content, or revealing things for DUST 514, or talking about the current game DUST 514 in any capacity, to instead discuss a game that is replacing DUST 514 as though it is a sure thing, even though you insist it might not become reality.
Marc Rime 383	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:52:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. (emphasis mine) I wonder what's included in that. BPOs?
Theodorich Eudoxier Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:53:00 - [66] - Quote #1 was all I was waiting to hear. The largest reason I left COD/BF and any/all other FPS games is for the persistent universe. I was burnt out on re-achieving what I already earned year after year. Keep your word and I will play Dust until the end and then pack my bags for Legion. I am not a pc player but personally I think the game has much more potential to live up to the dream on pc; however, it would also be terrible to have to install windows on a virtual machine and taint my Linux only computer network. That is the reason I stopped playing EVE too. I barley tolerate the PS3 OS on my network.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 403	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:55:00 - [67] - Quote Very brave of you to come here Rouge, considering most everyone hates what you have done, but if you want feedback, here you go. Rouge, you're a joke. How can we believe anything stated here? The only thing mentioned about DUST at fanfest was that it is losing devs to Legion. You try to repair all the damage that has been done to the community with a single post? Man, you really don't get it. These are all just more empty promises. You have lost a majority of your players and nearly everyone's buisness. Fanfest in a nutshell for me.
Badgerr Rager Dirt Nap Squad. 787	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:56:00 - [68] - Quote To sum up what the d1cks at CCP are saying.. Until they close dust 514 they will say they are still working on it probably bringing out 1.9 and 2.0 but after 2.0 will be no more content and leading players on (STILL) that they are bringing all this stuff for dust when behind the curtain you will find they didn't make as much money dust side as they wanted so they are dumping it and as he said in his post NO PS4/PS3 Until they get their game perfect on the PC. Which we all know how long it takes CCP to do things as Dust is forever SoonTM. Dust is more of DeadTM. Thank you CCP for wasting my life and going out with a slap in the face. If you worked towards producing Dust MORE and bring it to the PS4, you would see that making legion and developing it into pc will be a mistake. Planetside is going for PS4 (Free) and will hold the market and if you ever decide to come you will be **** out of luck. I would like CCP to Biomass Legion. You pieces of Sh*t
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13801	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:57:00 - [69] - Quote Erasmus Konstantin wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Hey - HEY! You show some respect. He has OVER 50 PSN accounts and spent a stupid amount of money on a bad game that went nowhere! He BOUGHT his respect, you better show it!!! Actually, seeing him melt down kinda made the legion thing worth it. This whole debacle has really made me miss being a Goon I just have the urge to troll blueberries. DUST is DEAD Quit?
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1518	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:57:00 - [70] - Quote Rouge..now would be a good time to start responding. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

Appia Nappia 664	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:58:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Sooooo, you guys have been working on this since October. Is that why any and all changes and updates have been as slow as molasses? Did you guys not learn from your World of Darkness experience? You don't have the man power to make a full game with just a handful of people, do you honestly expect EITHER game to succeed when BOTH are understaffed? Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Tarkarr DooM PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 1	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:00:00 - [72] - Quote The community needs proper confirmation that Dust 514 will be continuing and growing on PS3 for sometime into the future. Staying as it is will not be sufficient long term We are all aware that nothing lasts forever and the a move to the PS4 will be on the cards for many players. It would be damaging to your reputation as a community based game designer to not consider console players in this way. After all you did invite us in
Hammerhead LandSharkX Liberum Sapiens Xenodochi 7	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:03:00 - [73] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Here are my questions: You've said you'll continue development for Dust, great. Regarding that: 1) What Developers will be working on what title? 2) Are there any departments NOT working on Dust 514 anymore? 3) Do you intend to bring out actual new content to Dust 514 rather than just balances/bug fixes? This may mean new weapons, maps and vehicles. 4) It has been confirmed that PvE will NEVER hit the ps3, will the Player Market be developed for the PS3 title, or at least is that a consideration? Thank you. these ones please.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 285	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:04:00 - [74] - Quote Still no update or news about Dust514? Project Legion was an awesome announcement that was overshadowed by the lack of any real info about Dust514 at the Dust514 keynote & Dust514 progression panel. Sorry, but you have still failed acknowledge your blunder & I will not be an active player until you do.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 270	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:07:00 - [75] - Quote Probably the fist real question here admist the QQ : In the vague statement you just said it would be very appreciated if you specified if you are continuing the development on UE3 (ps3) to integrate those features in the PC (UE4) side by side as a dual production synergy. Most of us are interested to stick around if those features find their way in the next iteration. You have to consider something here though. You have to manage the guinea pig association we have right now that Dust on PS3 is meerely a Beta and that you are using PS3 players before bringing something grand to the players of EVE on PC. We just want you to be honnest on why we are not going to PS4. It is rumored that its because the player base is too small on the PS3. If it is, hope you realized your NPE, hard to understand stats and such makes it hard to get people on board. If we had those your player retention would have been very high. I may be mistaking here but I am sure there is a bigger player base playing shooters on consoles than on the PC. So Dev Failing aside, we would like to have more open-ness from now on if you want us to stick around and help you test your concept. No need for a big thank you, just make sure our player time investment is not wasted, this is the biggest concern, and remember those who bought the elite pack to support you, would be very very nice to have some blueprints be imported, if not all of them, something to support the efforts we have put in this game.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2621	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:07:00 - [76] - Quote Spademan wrote: Rouge..now would be a good time to start responding. I am not a Dust merc. I am a multi-vet MAG player searching for a new home.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 540	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:08:00 - [77] - Quote Hi CCP Rouge! With the future of DUST514 now being clearly set on the PC, btw it should have been this way from the start, keeping any member of the DUST514 team working on improving or supporting the PS3 version is a mistake. The quicker we can move on to the PC version the better.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 601	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:09:00 - [78] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ***** cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Lol Hi - It's SoTa PoP - the guy handing you your ass for the past 2 years. The guy CCP is now abandoning for PC. The guy who now is both hurt and PISSED THE ** OFF AT CCP.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2058	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:10:00 - [79] - Quote Wonder how much EA is still paying this guy to sabotage other companies/games... I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13807	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:13:00 - [80] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ***** cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Lol Hi - It's SoTa PoP - the guy handing you your ass for the past 2 years. The guy CCP is now abandoning for PC. The guy who now is both hurt and PISSED THE ** OFF AT CCP. I knew who you were Forum PvP is the only PvP that matters, and I'm pretty sure I've won on that front, what with the, you know, not being banned and all. Being abandoned for PC was inevitable, even being abandoned for PS4 would have been. The issue here is how they went about it, and how they continue to push and milk people for sales when the game isn't going to really go anywhere. If I still cared about PS3 DUST I may have shared your pain, but I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and adjusted accordingly. DUST is DEAD Quit?

HUNK tm What The French Red Whines. 370	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:14:00 - [81] - Quote I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo. ...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them) Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore. CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%. - Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc.... If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me. Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais) pâ+(n+ÇGîÆ´pâí)pâÄ Wish we had better clone packs G£é - - - - - - - - - - Gé¬ [ForgeGuy. & Co] Scrap dealer / Metals recovery
Ann Brighton Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:15:00 - [82] - Quote Please consider releasing native versions of EVE Legion for OS X and Linux too. As the Unreal Engine already supports these platforms, support shouldn't be that much overhead when considered that early in the development cycle.
Leither Yiltron Twilight Sparkle Best Pony Corp 898	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:17:00 - [83] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Thank you for coming to the forums to reply to our concerns. My first question: In the event that "Project Legion" does NOT become something more than a prototype, what will be the next step? Will DUST continue as is? Or will the idea of ground mercenaries in New Eden be ended for the foreseeable future? Let's be brutally honest with ourselves- if it doesn't work out it's all ogre probably. Have a pony
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2625	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:24:00 - [84] - Quote HUNK tm wrote: I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo. ...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them) Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore. CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%. - Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc.... If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me. Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais) This again. > *I'm a gamer, not your Guinea Pig*
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:30:00 - [85] - Quote Deleting that coments dont change the reality CCP. What you did was big spit to darkness, where ps3community waited with open mouths. Nothng else i swear to you, I WILL NEVER BUY/RECOMEND ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS TO MY FAMILY/FRIENDS/COMMUNITY and i know im not alone. You betray us for PC players and i will never forget this. I will never forget how YOU CCP USED PS3 COMMUNITY LIKE GUINEA PIGS, HOW YOU USED OUR IDEAS FOR OTHER GAME, HOW YOU LIED TO US, HOW YOU OUTSOURCED DUST 514 FOR DUST 2.0 FOR PC AND HOW YOU SHAMELESSLY BETRAY US!! I though CCP have some backbone, some spine, but how i can see you are just pile of disgusting lies, pack of thieves who wanted money and ideas of community for your real project. Just read this and feel our pain. Shame on you CCP i pray you will burn in hell for this. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Triple Repair Madrugar Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:31:00 - [86] - Quote CCP knew about this back during Eve vegas. LASER FOCUS = buy more aurum till we are ready to reveal our lie. Laughing all the way to the bank they are, don't believe any more lies. Get DUST purchases from last 90 days refunded! 1-800-345-SONY and press 2 then 2.
Take Off Hoser Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 17	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:32:00 - [87] - Quote Please dont abandon console players, if legion comes out one day it has to be on ps4 make it so ccp
Global Enforcer Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 126	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 - [88] - Quote Wow you had the balls to delete my post about theft by deception but you don't have the balls to respond to your consumers . BPO-> K61-D13
Triple Repair Madrugar Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 - [89] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago. Well you see, you should believe the promises THIS TIME (because we need to squeeze more money out of our investment) Get DUST purchases from last 90 days refunded! 1-800-345-SONY and press 2 then 2.
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1556	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 - [90] - Quote From Here. Vell0cet wrote: I think the community deserves to hear a detailed case for why the existing game can't "evolve" into Legion on the PC and has to be started from the ground up. I think the whole community acknowledges that the PS3 has a limited lifespan, but most were expecting an evolution to better hardware, not a separate product. Restarting from scratch is one of the biggest blunders one can do in software. Here is a famous article: Things You Should Never Do, Part I on the subject. Here's a great cartoon. from the article wrote: Well, yes. They did. They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. Also, Legion looks like it's abandoning some of the best features of DUST. The EVE-style skill tree is fantastic, and differentiates DUST from other FPS games in the market. CCP Rouge, by trading depth of DUST for accessibility, do you really think CCP Shanghai can compete head-to-head with the biggest studios/publishers in the world (that have more experience, resources and budget) for the "accessible" FPS marketshare, instead of targeting a smaller, more-hardcore niche in the market? There are certainly ways to add accessibility to the existing systems (e.g. ISIS in EVE) through better UI and a rich tutorial. Best PvE idea ever!

Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:35:00 - [91] - Quote Triple Repair Madrugar wrote: CCP knew about this back during Eve vegas. LASER FOCUS = buy more aurum till we are ready to reveal our lie. Laughing all the way to the bank they are, don't believe any more lies. Exactly LAZER FOCUS FOR COMMUNITY IDEAS AND MONEY, NOT FOR COMMUNITY AND THEIR GAME. Hell they implemented whole our ideas in DUST 2.0 for pc, i bet they outsourced DUST 514 and i want from SONY to take close look on CCPs actions arout their game on Ps3 platform. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 948	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:35:00 - [92] - Quote MMOFPSs have been done before. DUST is not special in that regard. What makes DUST special is the connection it was originally advertised to have with EVE, which is an amazing game. Strengthen that connection to its limit on the PS3 and then I believe the correct course would be to focus on porting to the PS4 with the intent of dropping the PS3 in favor of the PS4 (and potentially a port to the PC, not an independent product on a separate development path.) I'd really advise against two separate products (MMOFPSs) in the same setting (New Eden). They'd inevitably step on each other's toes and one will inevitably get dropped to fully support the other. EVE has set up some incredible patterns that have succeeded over the past 10+ years. Work to emulate those patterns as much as possible in DUST. One thing that stood out is that your vision for DUST (Legion?) progression takes our current progression even further from the EVE style. How about some direct feedback on my feedback? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:37:00 - [93] - Quote if we cant have a player market at least can we swap salvage betwen char on the same account. when i run my proto minlogi i recieve hmg's for salvage?? when i run my gall heavey i recieve proto repair tools? if a player market cant be done on ps3 can we have someway of doing something with the salvage that will never be used on the character that recieved it battlefield veteran but still a noob in this world
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 557	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:38:00 - [94] - Quote The damage control is strong with this one War never changes
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 974	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:39:00 - [95] - Quote Will Legion information be distributed through these forums or can we expect an official Eve: Legion Forums soon? >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2067	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:39:00 - [96] - Quote Ok, first off kudos to the people in this thread who are at least trying to maintain some sense of decency and rationality in the discussion despite being angry about it all. The rest of you seriously need to stop and reevaluate yourselves before posting some of these messages. We all understand you're angry about this whole ordeal, but the way the majority of you are going about expressing yourselves with vulgarity, obscenities, insults, and just overall acting like a bunch of spoiled children is simply pathetic. No one is going to take your message seriously when you come off like some child who's throwing a temper tantrum. So please, if you're going to try and give feedback, please don't make it seem like the DUST community is filled with a bunch of angry ranting teenagers. That being said, thank you CCP Rouge for the clarifications. Many of us were not able to go to fanfest for the Q&A so any extra information you give us is highly appreciated. I am part of the small minority that is supporting what you're doing here. I will admit, the way you guys decided to handle it is questionable and people (mainly the console folk) are understandably angry about it. They view their characters as an investment they've made with both their time and money and now, to them, they believe that investment is simply going to vanish due to some inability to transfer over to playing on PC. You've made it clear that our characters will persist which alone is enough reason for me to continue playing DUST. I highly appreciate that CCP is at least trying to make the right moves here. DUST was always a great vision that never really lived up to its potential and most rational people will agree that it's just not feasible to actualize that vision on the PS3, nor was it ever. Now, the concerns about CCP pulling a "bait and switch" are highly valid for a lot of customers who aren't able to switch to PC and yet have devoted themselves to this game on the PS3. I believe this is something that should be addressed by you guys as well. Yes, you're a business and a business needs income to survive, but to suggest one thing and then pull the rug without notice is a bit sketchy. As for Legion, I'm glad CCP had decided that the only way to move forward is to start anew. Sometimes the only way to deal with a bad dog is to just put her down. DUST sort of became this beast that didn't really seem to be going anywhere. The technical restrictions put a lot of stress on developers in trying to give us awe-inspiring content while remaining within limitations. The move to PC will definitely alleviate a lot of those concerns which I'm glad about. My biggest issue with DUST has always been the absolutely horrible performance it has on the PS3. The move to PC will finally answer that, which I'm glad. My only question then is: what reason do we have to continue supporting DUST? It's clear with what you've given us that DUST has, like others have said, "one foot in the grave". Yes, you'll continue to "balance, tweak" but with no new promised content are we to just continue toiling in the same semi-broken game for the year or more it's going to take before we see Legion come to fruition? We begged and CCP promised to give us something tangible this Fanfest, something that they're actually working on and we'd see results from. Project Legion is in "very early testing" and considered just a "prototype" and what not. These are not things that we as players see as something that will be tangible to us in the near future. The few of us that remained playing this game had hopes that CCP would use Fanfest as a way to revitalize our interest in DUST. Project Legion looks great, sure, and I'm anxious to see it released, but it serves nothing in terms of maintaining my desire to support your company in the coming months/year. And this is coming from someone who was excited about Project Legion. DUST has become stale and boring, and to come out and promise me a new game that is still in "very early development" doesn't really give me a spark of hope for this game. Who's to say in the next year or however long it takes for Legion I won't just completely forget about DUST and move on to a new product. At that point, I'll already likely have vested interests in other products and may care very little for DUST. There's tons of new games coming out for PC that have been in development for a long time (e.g. Star Citizen) that are still in development and may very well surpass what you're going to be offering with Legion. All in all, you laid out a valid long-term plan but did absolutely nothing to address short-term concerns about the game we are currently playing. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2361	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:42:00 - [97] - Quote Will Legion be free? (Will I have to pay to get my character into the game?)
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4791	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:44:00 - [98] - Quote So this post has no continued dialogue from the Dev who posted it? Just like all the other hot air they spew. I just wonder how you the Devs can wake up and in good faith and go to work for a company who knowingly pushed aurum purchaeses for months knowing you were intentisonally misleading your player base. I would never want to work for a company that I had to hold my head in shame. You should be embarrassed and ashamed or your actions. I certainly am for you. The insult of feeling the dusters who spent real. Money to go to fast fest was disgraceful to a level I can hardly believe. As some who spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars supporting this game, I am ashamed of you as a company.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 695	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:48:00 - [99] - Quote Thanks for letting us know our identities, assets, and progression will not be lost. I think that is one of the most major concerns. This would have gone over much better if it had been presented as a possible upgrade to DUST you are working on instead of a different game. Especially if you also presented it as both an expansion onto the PC, and will come in time for the upgrade to PS4. The upgrade to PS4 should be an important part. Mouse and keyboard give you no reason to pretend the PS4 can not handle the UI of a PC game. Quit pretending the console gamers are that different. Gamers are gamers.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 649	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:53:00 - [100] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. It's not logic. PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it. So in fact you could devellop for both plateform. It's simple, we are console player, your whole community IS a console community, we don't have Pc gamer. We want a console game, not a Pc game, it's simple it's easy. You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY. Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple. Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform. You will be wrecked. You will lose all your base community, hacks will come, and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level. We didn't serve as a beta tester for these 2 last year for others players.

Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 610	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:53:00 - [101] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Ok, first off kudos to the people in this thread who are at least trying to maintain some sense of decency and rationality in the discussion despite being angry about it all. The rest of you seriously need to stop and reevaluate yourselves before posting some of these messages. We all understand you're angry about this whole ordeal, but the way the majority of you are going about expressing yourselves with vulgarity, obscenities, insults, and just overall acting like a bunch of spoiled children is simply pathetic. No one is going to take your message seriously when you come off like some child who's throwing a temper tantrum. So please, if you're going to try and give feedback, please don't make it seem like the DUST community is filled with a bunch of angry ranting teenagers. That being said, thank you CCP Rouge for the clarifications. Many of us were not able to go to fanfest for the Q&A so any extra information you give us is highly appreciated. I am part of the small minority that is supporting what you're doing here. I will admit, the way you guys decided to handle it is questionable and people (mainly the console folk) are understandably angry about it. They view their characters as an investment they've made with both their time and money and now, to them, they believe that investment is simply going to vanish due to some inability to transfer over to playing on PC. You've made it clear that our characters will persist which alone is enough reason for me to continue playing DUST. I highly appreciate that CCP is at least trying to make the right moves here. DUST was always a great vision that never really lived up to its potential and most rational people will agree that it's just not feasible to actualize that vision on the PS3, nor was it ever. Now, the concerns about CCP pulling a "bait and switch" are highly valid for a lot of customers who aren't able to switch to PC and yet have devoted themselves to this game on the PS3. I believe this is something that should be addressed by you guys as well. Yes, you're a business and a business needs income to survive, but to suggest one thing and then pull the rug without notice is a bit sketchy. As for Legion, I'm glad CCP had decided that the only way to move forward is to start anew. Sometimes the only way to deal with a bad dog is to just put her down. DUST sort of became this beast that didn't really seem to be going anywhere. The technical restrictions put a lot of stress on developers in trying to give us awe-inspiring content while remaining within limitations. The move to PC will definitely alleviate a lot of those concerns which I'm glad about. My biggest issue with DUST has always been the absolutely horrible performance it has on the PS3. The move to PC will finally answer that, which I'm glad. My only question then is: what reason do we have to continue supporting DUST? It's clear with what you've given us that DUST has, like others have said, "one foot in the grave". Yes, you'll continue to "balance, tweak" but with no new promised content are we to just continue toiling in the same semi-broken game for the year or more it's going to take before we see Legion come to fruition? We begged and CCP promised to give us something tangible this Fanfest, something that they're actually working on and we'd see results from. Project Legion is in "very early testing" and considered just a "prototype" and what not. These are not things that we as players see as something that will be tangible to us in the near future. The few of us that remained playing this game had hopes that CCP would use Fanfest as a way to revitalize our interest in DUST. Project Legion looks great, sure, and I'm anxious to see it released, but it serves nothing in terms of maintaining my desire to support your company in the coming months/year. And this is coming from someone who was excited about Project Legion. DUST has become stale and boring, and to come out and promise me a new game that is still in "very early development" doesn't really give me a spark of hope for this game. Who's to say in the next year or however long it takes for Legion I won't just completely forget about DUST and move on to a new product. At that point, I'll already likely have vested interests in other products and may care very little for DUST. There's tons of new games coming out for PC that have been in development for a long time (e.g. Star Citizen) that are still in development and may very well surpass what you're going to be offering with Legion. All in all, you laid out a valid long-term plan but did absolutely nothing to address short-term concerns about the game we are currently playing. Dear Funk - it must be nice having a PC and knowing you will be able to enjoy Legion. For the rest of us poor peoples, we hate you. Do not ask me to be anything but a crap poster when I am being crapped on.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 413	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:54:00 - [102] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Ok, first off kudos to the people in this thread who are at least trying to maintain some sense of decency and rationality in the discussion despite being angry about it all. The rest of you seriously need to stop and reevaluate yourselves before posting some of these messages. We all understand you're angry about this whole ordeal, but the way the majority of you are going about expressing yourselves with vulgarity, obscenities, insults, and just overall acting like a bunch of spoiled children is simply pathetic. No one is going to take your message seriously when you come off like some child who's throwing a temper tantrum. So please, if you're going to try and give feedback, please don't make it seem like the DUST community is filled with a bunch of angry ranting teenagers. That being said, thank you CCP Rouge for the clarifications. Many of us were not able to go to fanfest for the Q&A so any extra information you give us is highly appreciated. I am part of the small minority that is supporting what you're doing here. I will admit, the way you guys decided to handle it is questionable and people (mainly the console folk) are understandably angry about it. They view their characters as an investment they've made with both their time and money and now, to them, they believe that investment is simply going to vanish due to some inability to transfer over to playing on PC. You've made it clear that our characters will persist which alone is enough reason for me to continue playing DUST. I highly appreciate that CCP is at least trying to make the right moves here. DUST was always a great vision that never really lived up to its potential and most rational people will agree that it's just not feasible to actualize that vision on the PS3, nor was it ever. Now, the concerns about CCP pulling a "bait and switch" are highly valid for a lot of customers who aren't able to switch to PC and yet have devoted themselves to this game on the PS3. I believe this is something that should be addressed by you guys as well. Yes, you're a business and a business needs income to survive, but to suggest one thing and then pull the rug without notice is a bit sketchy. As for Legion, I'm glad CCP had decided that the only way to move forward is to start anew. Sometimes the only way to deal with a bad dog is to just put her down. DUST sort of became this beast that didn't really seem to be going anywhere. The technical restrictions put a lot of stress on developers in trying to give us awe-inspiring content while remaining within limitations. The move to PC will definitely alleviate a lot of those concerns which I'm glad about. My biggest issue with DUST has always been the absolutely horrible performance it has on the PS3. The move to PC will finally answer that, which I'm glad. My only question then is: what reason do we have to continue supporting DUST? It's clear with what you've given us that DUST has, like others have said, "one foot in the grave". Yes, you'll continue to "balance, tweak" but with no new promised content are we to just continue toiling in the same semi-broken game for the year or more it's going to take before we see Legion come to fruition? We begged and CCP promised to give us something tangible this Fanfest, something that they're actually working on and we'd see results from. Project Legion is in "very early testing" and considered just a "prototype" and what not. These are not things that we as players see as something that will be tangible to us in the near future. The few of us that remained playing this game had hopes that CCP would use Fanfest as a way to revitalize our interest in DUST. Project Legion looks great, sure, and I'm anxious to see it released, but it serves nothing in terms of maintaining my desire to support your company in the coming months/year. And this is coming from someone who was excited about Project Legion. DUST has become stale and boring, and to come out and promise me a new game that is still in "very early development" doesn't really give me a spark of hope for this game. Who's to say in the next year or however long it takes for Legion I won't just completely forget about DUST and move on to a new product. At that point, I'll already likely have vested interests in other products and may care very little for DUST. There's tons of new games coming out for PC that have been in development for a long time (e.g. Star Citizen) that are still in development and may very well surpass what you're going to be offering with Legion. All in all, you laid out a valid long-term plan but did absolutely nothing to address short-term concerns about the game we are currently playing. Dear Funk - it must be nice having a PC and knowing you will be able to enjoy Legion. For the rest of us poor peoples, we hate you. Do not ask me to be anything but a crap poster when I am being crapped on. Pretty much this. Fanfest in a nutshell for me.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:57:00 - [103] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Ok, first off kudos to the people in this thread who are at least trying to maintain some sense of decency and rationality in the discussion despite being angry about it all. The rest of you seriously need to stop and reevaluate yourselves before posting some of these messages. We all understand you're angry about this whole ordeal, but the way the majority of you are going about expressing yourselves with vulgarity, obscenities, insults, and just overall acting like a bunch of spoiled children is simply pathetic. No one is going to take your message seriously when you come off like some child who's throwing a temper tantrum. So please, if you're going to try and give feedback, please don't make it seem like the DUST community is filled with a bunch of angry ranting teenagers. That being said, thank you CCP Rouge for the clarifications. Many of us were not able to go to fanfest for the Q&A so any extra information you give us is highly appreciated. I am part of the small minority that is supporting what you're doing here. I will admit, the way you guys decided to handle it is questionable and people (mainly the console folk) are understandably angry about it. They view their characters as an investment they've made with both their time and money and now, to them, they believe that investment is simply going to vanish due to some inability to transfer over to playing on PC. You've made it clear that our characters will persist which alone is enough reason for me to continue playing DUST. I highly appreciate that CCP is at least trying to make the right moves here. DUST was always a great vision that never really lived up to its potential and most rational people will agree that it's just not feasible to actualize that vision on the PS3, nor was it ever. Now, the concerns about CCP pulling a "bait and switch" are highly valid for a lot of customers who aren't able to switch to PC and yet have devoted themselves to this game on the PS3. I believe this is something that should be addressed by you guys as well. Yes, you're a business and a business needs income to survive, but to suggest one thing and then pull the rug without notice is a bit sketchy. As for Legion, I'm glad CCP had decided that the only way to move forward is to start anew. Sometimes the only way to deal with a bad dog is to just put her down. DUST sort of became this beast that didn't really seem to be going anywhere. The technical restrictions put a lot of stress on developers in trying to give us awe-inspiring content while remaining within limitations. The move to PC will definitely alleviate a lot of those concerns which I'm glad about. My biggest issue with DUST has always been the absolutely horrible performance it has on the PS3. The move to PC will finally answer that, which I'm glad. My only question then is: what reason do we have to continue supporting DUST? It's clear with what you've given us that DUST has, like others have said, "one foot in the grave". Yes, you'll continue to "balance, tweak" but with no new promised content are we to just continue toiling in the same semi-broken game for the year or more it's going to take before we see Legion come to fruition? We begged and CCP promised to give us something tangible this Fanfest, something that they're actually working on and we'd see results from. Project Legion is in "very early testing" and considered just a "prototype" and what not. These are not things that we as players see as something that will be tangible to us in the near future. The few of us that remained playing this game had hopes that CCP would use Fanfest as a way to revitalize our interest in DUST. Project Legion looks great, sure, and I'm anxious to see it released, but it serves nothing in terms of maintaining my desire to support your company in the coming months/year. And this is coming from someone who was excited about Project Legion. DUST has become stale and boring, and to come out and promise me a new game that is still in "very early development" doesn't really give me a spark of hope for this game. Who's to say in the next year or however long it takes for Legion I won't just completely forget about DUST and move on to a new product. At that point, I'll already likely have vested interests in other products and may care very little for DUST. There's tons of new games coming out for PC that have been in development for a long time (e.g. Star Citizen) that are still in development and may very well surpass what you're going to be offering with Legion. All in all, you laid out a valid long-term plan but did absolutely nothing to address short-term concerns about the game we are currently playing. Dear Funk - it must be nice having a PC and knowing you will be able to enjoy Legion. For the rest of us poor peoples, we hate you. Do not ask me to be anything but a crap poster when I am being crapped on. Agree only fanboy who defending his beloved company, he will be screwed too just later. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Aurra Field Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 95	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:59:00 - [104] - Quote Will Legion be sticking with the static X vs X instanced battles that Dust features or will it be open world, similar to Planetside and its sequel?
LittleCuteBunny 510	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:05:00 - [105] - Quote A company like this should not be supported, pulling what you did with the entire community is unspeakable Graveyard 514
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:08:00 - [106] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: A company like this should not be supported, pulling what you did with the entire community is unspeakable I bet they outsourced or DUST and i pray SONY will want see the info about their project and financing. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Cosgar 9238	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:10:00 - [107] - Quote If all this were true, why didn't you divulge this information during the keynote? It's easier to make these "promises" after the fact when you see how we handled the announcement. This community is the nail in Dust 514's coffin, waiting to be hammered in.
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2068	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:13:00 - [108] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not logic. PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it. So in fact you could devellop for both plateform. It's simple, we are console player, your whole community IS a console community, we don't have Pc gamer. We want a console game, not a Pc game, it's simple it's easy. You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY. Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple. Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform. You will be wrecked. You will lose all your base community, hacks will come, and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level. We didn't serve as a beta tester for these 2 last year for others players. See you're wrong on many levels here. I myself am mainly a PC gamer. Many of us came here from EVE and have way more loyalties to the PC than consoles. This is the kind of feedback that just isn't feedback at all. All you do is make empty threats about how they will fail. DUST has what... 2k - 4k active players at any given time? You really think that's a lot? Sure, it's a community but it's by no means comparable to even some of the smallest FPS games on the PC. If it were me developing a game, I would gladly risk losing a few thousand players to gain the possibility of gaining tens of thousands of players. You know how I know? Let's look at statistics just on Steam. Steam (Valve) is just one distributor of games. There are a few others like Origin (EA) that offer FPS games as well as your standalone games... CS:GO = ~145k currently playing TF2 = ~77k currently playing Garry's Mod = ~44k currently playing CS:Source = ~32k currently playing ARMA 3 = ~24k currently playing ... I'll skip a few until I get into DUST's currently playing range Planetside 2 = ~6.3k currently playing COD: MW2 = ~5.2k currently playing Star Wars Battlefront 2 = ~4.3k currently playing APB Reload = ~3.8k currently playing As you can see, PC games harbor way more active FPS gamers than consoles. Even some obscure games I've never even heard of have more players. Hell, Battlefront 2 which was released in 2005 (almost a decade ago) has more active palyers than DUST has right now. FPS games were BORN on the PC. Your empty threats about how Legion will fail on the PC are just that, empty threats. Stop giving this type of feedback. No one takes this kind of crap seriously. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Jvnx Nightchill Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners Universal Rockstars 3	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:16:00 - [109] - Quote @CCP Rouge Sorry mate, the die has been cast. You may not be behind the mess, just as likely you can't fix it. CCP has effectively alienated a complete section of existing and future player base. Some people really underestimate console players. Words of wisdom: Think before you speak, for once the words are spoken they can not be unsaid.
Hellkeizer Lethal cMen 213	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:18:00 - [110] - Quote So then there's no reason to play dust, as I wanted it to have pve at least. Now I also have to wait until it ports to PS4? Well it's a good thing Destiny is around the corner. Waiting on PvE "Don't chu go disrespecting coconut water!" Chakra Attack

Deamonwrath21 DeathReign Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:22:00 - [111] - Quote you guys are sad many players are console gamers now, i am very much you sadden me, well if you dont go for ps4 soon planetside 2 will erase the memory of dust 514 and project legon i so ccp please impress us and stop worrying about valkeri and give us the dust experience but better on ps4, if so i will became loyal 100%, im not 100% now due to you heartbreaking announcement. im a major fan of dust 514 and wish to play on my playstation 4, please give us project legion news for ps4 soon at e3 2014 please please please please !
Guilbert 515 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 107	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:23:00 - [112] - Quote HUNK tm wrote: I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo. ...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them) Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore. CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%. - Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc.... If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me. Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais) This, And who or what for the sake of reason, has given you the idea to split dust into 2, relocate CCPs resources onto PC without asking your d++st community how they would feel about it in the first place? And why would you publicly announce a game on another platform than console during a dust future presentation, leaving out completely any information related to dust! Since legion is not dust, what was the point of introducing legion to those that expected news for dust, an upcoming ps4 or xbox one release and a long term plan? Who gave you the idea? CPM? Or did you with the rest of CCP decided it by themself? Are yiu aware what this community is made of? Its console players, not PC! "Please fix drop uplink spam"
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 653	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:24:00 - [113] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not logic. PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it. So in fact you could devellop for both plateform. It's simple, we are console player, your whole community IS a console community, we don't have Pc gamer. We want a console game, not a Pc game, it's simple it's easy. You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY. Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple. Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform. You will be wrecked. You will lose all your base community, hacks will come, and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level. We didn't serve as a beta tester for these 2 last year for others players. See you're wrong on many levels here. I myself am mainly a PC gamer. Many of us came here from EVE and have way more loyalties to the PC than consoles. This is the kind of feedback that just isn't feedback at all. All you do is make empty threats about how they will fail. DUST has what... 2k - 4k active players at any given time? You really think that's a lot? Sure, it's a community but it's by no means comparable to even some of the smallest FPS games on the PC. If it were me developing a game, I would gladly risk losing a few thousand players to gain the possibility of gaining tens of thousands of players. You know how I know? Let's look at statistics just on Steam. Steam (Valve) is just one distributor of games. There are a few others like Origin (EA) that offer FPS games as well as your standalone games... CS:GO = ~145k currently playing TF2 = ~77k currently playing Garry's Mod = ~44k currently playing CS:Source = ~32k currently playing ARMA 3 = ~24k currently playing ... I'll skip a few until I get into DUST's currently playing range Planetside 2 = ~6.3k currently playing COD: MW2 = ~5.2k currently playing Star Wars Battlefront 2 = ~4.3k currently playing APB Reload = ~3.8k currently playing As you can see, PC games harbor way more active FPS gamers than consoles. Even some obscure games I've never even heard of have more players. Hell, Battlefront 2 which was released in 2005 (almost a decade ago) has more active palyers than DUST has right now. FPS games were BORN on the PC. Your empty threats about how Legion will fail on the PC are just that, empty threats. Stop giving this type of feedback. No one takes this kind of crap seriously. That's EXACTLY what i'm saying, Why PC players would play Legion while they already have that much Shooters and F2P shooters which are 10000x better than Legion will ever be ? FPS and F2P are way too installed on PC, from what i've saw Legion have NOTHING for him. Graphics ? Nope agianst PC FPS. Gameplay ? Let me laugh. Teamplay ? :laugh: From what i see you're not showing "Potential Players" You're showing potential concurrence.
stalin93 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 34	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:27:00 - [114] - Quote well i suppose this small amount of information is good. you'd of saved a lot of grief if you'd said all this in the legion keynote (and called it legion keynote instead of dust) hell it would have been better to hear this in a comprehensive dev blog weeks before fanfest.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 390	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:29:00 - [115] - Quote A summary of questions I would like to have an answer for, and a couple of my own. Minor grammatical errors were corrected in some for ease of reading, but the wording is the same. The Issue of Trust It is hard to trust. Here are the questions that best illustrate that. The first one is paramount. The second and third show why. Spademan wrote, "So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that?" Spacetits wrote, "Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago". Console vs. PC Help people to understand. Some of us always suspected PS3 would not be able to survive, but many expected PS4. Ziiro Celeste wrote, "My main question is why build a player base on console, and then shift to at totally different platform of PC? Yes, I understand that you all at CCP are far more adept at designing games on PC (EVE), but to build a community on one platform and then "jump ship" is just horrid". Hakyou Brutor wrote, "Did you only view us as 'Legion Beta Testers' for the failed vision (on console) that WAS DUST 514? If Legion was meant to be on PC, why even take the DUST 514 console step? Why not immediately begin work on Legion on PC in the first place without the need for DUST 514 to even exist?" Communication and Public Relations This is perhaps where CCP, at least with DUST, has failed most spectacularly. Nirwanda Vaughns wrote, "Would it really be so hard to have had these FAQs prepared before announcing Legion?" ContraBanJoe wrote, "Where is the apology about how this was 'revealed'? You outraged your Dust514 audience both AT fanfest, and the thousands of mercenaries viewing it from home on the live feed. An apology is paramount to restarting constructive dialog in my opinion". Transfer Specificity CCP Rouge wrote: If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. When stating applicable skills/inventory, that leaves you all a lot of wiggle room to essentially do nothing, and claim it was applicable. Specificity is paramount. Further, when CCP says soon, history has proven it to mean never more often than not. Do not delay. Figure this out soon. Oh, the irony. As in what the word really means, not the PR soon CCP has created, and even jokes about. 1. Clarity of intent is crucial. What exactly do you mean by this? Right now it just seems like a platitude and is worded to allow you all to drop any aspect of our mercs you want, and claim they weren't applicable. Can you state, clearly, this is not the case? 2. And finally, when is soon? Give us a date. Have a meeting, a discussion, a party, but stop saying soon, and start engaging in an honest discussion with this community. This post is an important, and impressive first step, but it's just that. We have a long way to go if you expect us to trust you again. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Triple Repair Madrugar Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:30:00 - [116] - Quote Our Executive Producer Get DUST purchases from last 90 days refunded! 1-800-345-SONY and press 2 then 2.
DJINN Sun Tzu Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:34:00 - [117] - Quote Personally(as someone who is more of an EVE player these days, although I did play DUST for over a year and a half) I've been disappointed in Dust. However, I can TOTALLY understand everyone's rage. Absolutely. I'm pissed at SONY for some other stuff. The Ps3 culture is dependent on people honoring their word. Paying money = entitlement. And it sounds like CCP isn't. I totally agree with you guys on that. Unfortunately, there really is only so much you can do on Dust's current engine. I find dust really frustrating for many reasons, controls getting harder being a big one(Why the **** are dropships so IMPOSSIBLE to fly?!?!). The maps are almost never varied(although I must admit that some of the new ones are really cool), getting into a PC match is one of the most boring things in the game(almost no rewards), Faction Warfare isn't really that good, the market isn't going anywhere, etc. Project Legion will be able to accomplish the things Dust lacks. I personally am really looking forward to it. And really guys, if you want to blame someone, SONY is the one who is to blame. By making the PS4, CCP kind of got stuck with major limitations. There's really only so much they can do about it. They were flying up up up, and now SONY put a noose around their necks and they can't fly much higher. In many ways, Dust for the ps3 was probably a mistake, although I'm glad they did it or I wouldn't be in EVE lol but still. I can totally understand your rage, although a refund isn't entirely necessary. I payed real money, and I got my money's worth out of the game. I'm annoyed at SONY for some things about my money as well. Although if you guys can get a refund, you probably should. Although, if CCP allows you to transfer characters, I really won't have any qualms with them about Project Legion. The game looks gorgeous, there are many possibilities(Eg we might actually get industry and be able to actually benefit from the planets we conquer, maybe be able finally get walking in stations in EVE connected with PL, etc). As much as I am not happy about dust being treated this way, I am looking forward to the new game.
rayakalj9 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:38:00 - [118] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge i see what your saying but i hope its gonna be on the ps4 when time comes i mean the ps4 is in the same level as pc in specs and most dust players think so too
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 1005	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:38:00 - [119] - Quote Umm maybe cancel the prototype, focus on DUST. Man, what a grind.
rayakalj9 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:39:00 - [120] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge i see what your saying but i hope its gonna be on the ps4 when time comes i mean the ps4 is in the same level as pc in specs and most dust players think so too

Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2073	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:39:00 - [121] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: That's EXACTLY what i'm saying, Why PC players would play Legion while they already have that much Shooters and F2P shooters which are 10000x better than Legion will ever be ? FPS and F2P are way too installed on PC, from what i've saw Legion have NOTHING for him. Graphics ? Nope agianst PC FPS. Gameplay ? Let me laugh. Teamplay ? :laugh: From what i see you're not showing "Potential Players" You're showing potential concurrence. Are you serious? Are you some sort of prophet that already knows everything Legion will have to offer? Do you even understand how development of a game works? What they showed us is barely a few months of work. They still have a year if not more to even give us a prototype of the game they want to deliver. Then after that it'll only continue to grow in the same way EVE does. You have no idea what you're talking about. Besides, do you seriously believe that PC gamers ever only play one game? "Oh, I play Counter-Strike and absolutely refuse to touch any other game!" You're ridiculous. I have at least 5 FPS games on my PC that I play pretty consistently depending on my mood. Legion would only add to that, and given my current interests in DUST I definitely foresee myself dedicating to it even more if it truly delivers on what its promising. Nothing is stopping someone who plays a multitude of other games from giving Legion a try All you're trying to do is make empty threats that CCP will somehow fail because you're angry that they see the PS3 as a dead system, because that's what it is. The same goes for people claiming the game will have rampant hackers and what not. These are all just petty empty threats from people that are angry. Face it, consoles are just not the way to go with FPS games. Pretty soon Steam Box will be hitting the shelves and I wouldn't be surprised if consoles start dying out altogether, though that's only a pipe dream. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5247	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:41:00 - [122] - Quote So instead of making DUST into what it was promised to be before release, we're getting precisely NONE of what has been promised all along, the "released" game is still nowhere near release-ready and now never will be, and there's going to be a PC version of the game we were MEANT to be getting. Yep, that sounds fair. Seriously, this is the most utter BS "solution" you could possibly have come up with to the problems you're having with DUST's development. Also, what about all the early adopter merc pack purchasers who were promised that refund of all our merc pack stuff on release? That STILL HASN'T HAPPENED YET. We were offered a CONDITIONAL refund which doesn't satisfy the terms CCP agreed to when we bought the packs, does this mean we'll be getting our full merc pack refund if and when we move to Project Legion? Or is that screwup still going to keep being swept under the rug like it never happened?
5892 0046 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:41:00 - [123] - Quote we all know we will be going to Legion. maybe legion requirements to install the game won't be as high as you guys think. if it is just lower the quality should work
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13818	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:43:00 - [124] - Quote I'm pretty upset that I'm excited for legion, but I'm also pretty happy that I have no excuse to play DUST anymore ::hugs his PC:: DUST is DEAD Long live Legion
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:46:00 - [125] - Quote CCP the candidate for Randy Pitchford trophy "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1662	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:47:00 - [126] - Quote In my mind, #1 was the big one, and I appreciate the fact that it was, in fact, #1 on your list. I think the distinct impression is that... there really isn't much more we can ask you that you know the answer to at this point in development. I for one can understand that, and again appreciate the straightforward response. "PR Nightmare" of the last 24 hours aside, this has been the best response we could have asked for. And ultimately it is a GOOD thing that this was announced early; Dust will still be "It" for a good year+ I presume. So +1. The ONLY reason anyone might still raging at this point is upset that it will not be a PS4 port. Many of us are adult enough to understand the move to PC; not about competing FPS "cultures" or catering to PC EvE players "over" your much smaller PS3 F2P playerbase as some will sperge about... but about what is viable from an economic and development standpoint. From the standpoint of someone invested in and concerned with the long-term viability of the New Eden IP, in light of CCP's current financial statements... and from an objective 'business' end viewpoint, I am encouraged that the right, tough decisions are being made. Trim the fat and consolidate around the core - New Eden on the PC - while continuing development on BIG dreams. Legion is what Dust should have been. On the platform that can make it a reality in the best way possible. Valkyrie is ... on a whole 'nother level. We respect that. We respect the dream. Most of us 'get' it. These are the questions we needed answered. "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
Karl Koekwaus 213	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:54:00 - [127] - Quote This was a good post that answers most if not all of the questions. Project Legion looks amazing and I think most people here fully understand that the stuff that you want to do can't be done on 10 year old hardware using the PSN. If you would've said this before showing of Project Legion, a lot of people would've reacted differently I think. (also plz no PS4 port, it makes updating stuff a pita compared to PC) ps. can Mystery Code owners get early acces plz plz plz Micheal Jackson died for my sins
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 656	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:55:00 - [128] - Quote Would like to know how we are going to help with a PC game? We know DUST. We know what is good, what is bad and how it works. We saw your presentations and our jaws dropped. We heard the no PS3 part and our hearts dropped. What can we do? What feedback do you want? Something clever that makes people think Im not a bitter **.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5247	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:59:00 - [129] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it. So in fact you could devellop for both plateform. You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY. Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple. Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform. You will be wrecked. You will lose all your base community, hacks will come (All the F2P on PC are full of hacks.) , and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level. lolwut? "PC and PS4 are the same" "You can easily develop for both" "therefore, only develop for PS4" LOGIC. You may want to reassess the validity of your entire concept of how posting opinions on the internet works, because you got every step wrong with this attempt. Improving your basic spelling and grammar is also probably a good idea. But the main thing is that when you're trying to make a point, make sure your supporting arguments don't entirely negate the point they're building up to. That's just going to get you laughed at even by people on the same side of the argument as yourself. No, this is NOT what CCP should be doing. -Making Project Legion as a reboot of DUST, and releasing it on PS3 and PS4, with possible consideration for a PC version as well? Yes. -Scrapping proper support for DUST (new content, NOT just the bug fixes we needed 6 months ago) and starting over with a PC exclusive version of what we were promised on PS3? No way. But that doesn't make the above-quoted attempt at a reason why any more valid. The right conclusion without anything even resembling competent reason is still a hilariously bad attempt at an argument, even though it's after the right end result.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1666	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:00:00 - [130] - Quote Aurra Field wrote: Will Legion be sticking with the static X vs X instanced battles that Dust features or will it be open world, similar to Planetside and its sequel? Actually... I stand corrected. This is actually a major question I would like some insight on... at least from an "intent" standpoint. "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."

Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 394	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:01:00 - [131] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Aurra Field wrote: Will Legion be sticking with the static X vs X instanced battles that Dust features or will it be open world, similar to Planetside and its sequel? Actually... I stand corrected. This is actually a major question I would like some insight on... at least from an "intent" standpoint. I believe it will be more open world, based on the tech video they showed. But then again, who knows. Therefore, having them actually say one way or the other . . . would be nice. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Luny Homega WarRavens Final Resolution. 27	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:02:00 - [132] - Quote My opinion on legion i think the skill tree can be improved a lot with image and a better organization, but i think it is actually too simple right now, it actually need to be more complex, and have better description to compensate making simpler is a step in the WRONG direction the problem is better training and better help for new player complexity is good for a long term experience, and is part of what eve is about
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 504	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:04:00 - [133] - Quote I wholeheartedly will back Legion seeing that it is the only way to bring 100% of the features we want to fruition. The reality is that the vocal DUST community is only expressing concerns brought about by a "bad breakup" but I believe after the dust (no pun intended) settles the core players will see that this is the right decision. Those of us mature enough to understand this decision will continue to maintain the peace in the forums. We look forward to seeing future developments. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!" The Space Hippie
Zcynx Rivera S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:04:00 - [134] - Quote You want feedback? We'll here is feedback. Everyone was spit in the face by you and your company and told to go **** themselves. You used us to beta test your "Project Legion" and now are running away and expecting us to be some kind of sick masoquists and follow your sorry ass. Sony helped the community by refunding us at least with what we partially invested in this SCAM. You want more feed back? Yes Sony and the whole world knows of your scam and will always be remembered. CCP will be avoided like the plague.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 495	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:04:00 - [135] - Quote CCP Rouge, answer me this: How are the promises on the features of Legion any different than the promises on the features of Dust last year or the year before? You think you can do on PC what you were not able to do on the PS3. I don't think the additional RAM is going to help you unscrew planetary conquest, have better map designers or become better at balancing the game. My personal take on everything I've heard from you, CCP Rouge, is lies. Intentional lies. I just have no idea for what purpose. Without spite this is my honest opinion. Does this help you understand the situation? I hope it does. Looking forward to your honest answer.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2540	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:04:00 - [136] - Quote shaman oga wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Nothing new in this thread, you are just repeating what we already know. PS4 version should be the priority, not PC, the company is already working on PS4 with Valkirye, what is the problem with a PS4 version of Legion? I don't care to lose SP, isk or my stuff, i just want to play the game, but if it's gonna be on PC, i simply can't afford to buy a gaming PC for a game. While I and a lot of other people here are willing to buy a PS4 and continue our experience on this game. We feel betrayed, because we, the dust community, have played for more then 1 year to dust and you have used us, to acquire feedback to create a game for the EVE community not for the DUST community. We have been your guinea pigs. So please, take a step back and develop for both PC and PS4. I'm sure that this will be one of more quiet answer you will read in this thread, again please, take your player base in consideration. Whats up with all you people being able to afford a PS4 but saing you're not able to afford a decent PC. That doesn't make any sense. Do a reality check on how expensive a decent PC is please and don't buy everything from alienware. PC or PS4 doesn't matter at all. I expected a PS4 version too, but CCP decided on PC for obvious reasons (Test server, no patch delays because Sony wants to check every patch). And I think that's good. You would have to buy a new platform anyways. You want to keep playing Dust (now called Legion) you just spent your 400 bucks on a PC instead of a PS4. Problem - solved. I'm now just interested in what CCP has in mind for transferring the chars over. This will decide it for me. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
rayakalj9 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:06:00 - [137] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it. So in fact you could devellop for both plateform. You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY. Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple. Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform. You will be wrecked. You will lose all your base community, hacks will come (All the F2P on PC are full of hacks.) , and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level. lolwut? "PC and PS4 are the same" "You can easily develop for both" "therefore, only develop for PS4" LOGIC. You may want to reassess the validity of your entire concept of how posting opinions on the internet works, because you got every step wrong with this attempt. Improving your basic spelling and grammar is also probably a good idea. But the main thing is that when you're trying to make a point, make sure your supporting arguments don't entirely negate the point they're building up to. That's just going to get you laughed at even by people on the same side of the argument as yourself. No, this is NOT what CCP should be doing. -Making Project Legion as a reboot of DUST, and releasing it on PS3 and PS4, with possible consideration for a PC version as well? Yes. -Scrapping proper support for DUST (new content, NOT just the bug fixes we needed 6 months ago) and starting over with a PC exclusive version of what we were promised on PS3? No way. But that doesn't make the above-quoted attempt at a reason why any more valid. The right conclusion without anything even resembling competent reason is still a hilariously bad attempt at an argument, even though it's after the right end result. what about ps4??.. like i said its in the pc level now... am not saying that the game shouldn't be on pc i understand what their doing but why not ps4, thats what am thinking
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 596	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:09:00 - [138] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. Just like Cat Merc said, it is the console aspect that is highly concerning to a large portion of us here. If you tell me my character will move over with all the SP and everything, yeah ok that's fine, but if it's not on PS4 and keep in mind, that's why I originally signed onto Dust in the first place because it was ON A CONSOLE, then what is the point of me continuing in Dust??? I use a pair of MacBooks for work, and I have no doubt that Legion won't run on them considering I only have a certain amount of hardware space available in them. I am not going to go out and buy another computer just so I can go run another version of Dust which was originally supposed to be on a console. Now a very angry and Bitter Vet. CCP, you have further solidified my views that corporations are corrupt POS's.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5248	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:09:00 - [139] - Quote rayakalj9 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: -Making Project Legion as a reboot of DUST, and releasing it on PS3 and PS4, with possible consideration for a PC version as well? Yes. -Scrapping proper support for DUST (new content, NOT just the bug fixes we needed 6 months ago) and starting over with a PC exclusive version of what we were promised on PS3? No way. what about ps4??.. like i said its in the pc level now... am not saying that the game shouldn't be on pc i understand what their doing but why not ps4, thats what am thinking Cut down your quote of my post to show the part you obviously didn't read.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 505	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:10:00 - [140] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: CCP Rouge, answer me this: How are the promises on the features of Legion any different than the promises on the features of Dust last year or the year before? You think you can do on PC what you were not able to do on the PS3. I don't think the additional RAM is going to help you unscrew planetary conquest, have better map designers or become better at balancing the game. My personal take on everything I've heard from you, CCP Rouge, is lies. Intentional lies. I just have no idea for what purpose. Without spite this is my honest opinion. Does this help you understand the situation? I hope it does. Looking forward to your honest answer. The developers are already familiar with the hardware and design capabilities for PC as that's how EVE has been built. Its all native to them. The transition to a console platform requires much more work than simply pushing a button. I have faith that if eve can exist with it's complexity than so too can DUST be reborn with all the depth we expect. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!" The Space Hippie

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 102	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:12:00 - [141] - Quote Is Dust 514 dead on ps3 or is it changing from original thoughts from the beginning but staying.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 505	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:13:00 - [142] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. Just like Cat Merc said, it is the console aspect that is highly concerning to a large portion of us here. If you tell me my character will move over with all the SP and everything, yeah ok that's fine, but if it's not on PS4 and keep in mind, that's why I originally signed onto Dust in the first place because it was ON A CONSOLE, then what is the point of me continuing in Dust??? I use a pair of MacBooks for work, and I have no doubt that Legion won't run on them considering I only have a certain amount of hardware space available in them. I am not going to go out and buy another computer just so I can go run another version of Dust which was originally supposed to be on a console. EVE currently can run on a MacBook so there's no reason to think that Legion won't be able to either. Even at the lowest graphics setting it won't look worse that DUST Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!" The Space Hippie
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:15:00 - [143] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Is Dust 514 dead on ps3 or is it changing from original thoughts from the beginning but staying. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oDeqCvwS3YwrbW "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5248	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:16:00 - [144] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Whats up with all you people being able to afford a PS4 but saing you're not able to afford a decent PC. That doesn't make any sense. Do a reality check on how expensive a decent PC is please and don't buy everything from alienware. PC or PS4 doesn't matter at all. I expected a PS4 version too, but CCP decided on PC for obvious reasons (Test server, no patch delays because Sony wants to check every patch). And I think that's good. You would have to buy a new platform anyways. You want to keep playing Dust (now called Legion) you just spent your 400 bucks on a PC instead of a PS4. Problem - solved. I'm now just interested in what CCP has in mind for transferring the chars over. This will decide it for me. I've been in situations where I'm VERY short on money, and where I live, electronics are expensive. When the PS3 was first released, I planned ahead, saving for more than 3 months, including both Christmas and my birthday being devoted to "help me pay off my PS3" requests whenever anyone asked what I wanted. With the PS4, I've decided NOT to go for it, because the subscription cost for online play is something I don't agree with, and one of the key reasons why I never went for the XBox 360 even when I have had the disposable income for it. Many people have gone out and bought themselves a PS4 because of the announced exclusives it was getting... INCLUDING DUST 514 WHICH IS NOW TURNING INTO PS4 VAPORWARE. GG CCP.
sxspk Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:16:00 - [145] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: My main question is why build a player base on console, and then shift to at totally different platform of PC? Yes, I understand that you all at CCP are far more adept at designing games on PC (EVE), but to build a community on one platform and then "jump ship" is just horrid. An example would be as if the HALO franchise decided to jump from Xbox to PC abandoning the Xbox player base as development slowed to a crawl for Xbox HALO and development for PC HALO soared to new heights. Did you only view us as "Legion Beta Testers" for the failed vision (on console) that WAS DUST 514? If Legion was meant to be on PC, why even take the DUST 514 console step? Why not immediately begin work on Legion on PC in the first place without the need for DUST 514 to even exist? Don't forget to add to the fact that a lot of playstation's community just shelled a good bit of money on ps4 and games.there are a lot of them that do not have the money to buy a new rig. Much less one that will run this type of game. With all do respect please take some time and think about your players.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 491	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:20:00 - [146] - Quote Good first Forum appearance, CCP Rogue. And well met. Right then, straight to business. First, thank you for dispensing with the marketing lingo. What the DUST community needs right now is straight talk, and that's what you provided in this post; I hope future communication continues this trend. Second, I just want to throw my voice in the already voiced hat - most of your DUST community(at least the long standing ones) also have an EVE account, and are active voices in that community. Getting them over to the PC version, and getting them over in a meaningful way will go a long way towards marketing the Legion brand. The more EVE players voicing their support for Legion, the more people it will see. It's a cycle that can launch the game just as easily as it can sink it, expecially considering once Legion is launched, a new ground pounder is but a click and install away(No need to buy new hardware, I like it). But remember, if those people bring bad news - such as they were shafted moving over, or tails that the almost mythical "lack of communication" have followed DUST to Legion - you can find yourself with another dead game on your hands. And nobody wants that. Finally, to the community.. Be patient ffs. I'm the last one to say this, but it's true. DUST needed to be totaly overhauled in order for it to be an actual good game, capitalized on it's strengths and done with it's weaknesses. CCP has done just that. I for one wish they had gone further, and stated real-talk that "Dust is dead, get your butts over to Legion!". Let's hope it works out, and instead of bitching, we need more constructive feedback (and a pipeline to give it too). The best time to get real changes into a game is before it's finalized - not after it's been released. TL;DR - Great first post, thank you for wading in and being honest, please keep it up moving forward. Nobody in their right minds wants a PC version of DUST(Which we've been crying for for years) to fail!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2060	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:22:00 - [147] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Whats up with all you people being able to afford a PS4 but saing you're not able to afford a decent PC. That doesn't make any sense. Do a reality check on how expensive a decent PC is please and don't buy everything from alienware. PC or PS4 doesn't matter at all. I expected a PS4 version too, but CCP decided on PC for obvious reasons (Test server, no patch delays because Sony wants to check every patch). And I think that's good. You would have to buy a new platform anyways. You want to keep playing Dust (now called Legion) you just spent your 400 bucks on a PC instead of a PS4. Problem - solved. I'm now just interested in what CCP has in mind for transferring the chars over. This will decide it for me. A decent PC cost more than 400Gé¼. With a 400Gé¼ PC i can buy a crappy Compaq here in Italy, the problem is that i already have a notebook, it works well, i use it for internet and other common uses. Buy a PC specifically for legion is a bit too much, i don't have all that money, at least with PS4 i would do a economic effort but it will last for all the next 5-10 years, for all the PS4 games and i will not have redundant things ( i don't need 2 PC). It was fun till it lasted...
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4282	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:22:00 - [148] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Is it going to be free or buy? I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please be free
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1532	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:24:00 - [149] - Quote 140+ replies, 3 and a half hours later...do you intend on responding? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Skyline Lonewolf Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 16	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:30:00 - [150] - Quote Is there a way to link our PSN account emails to get our character SP over to Legion? I know the character tree is being re-worked, but the character data should still remain on the Tranquility servers. If you can link the two, we could get our character data (SP, ISK, assets) over to Legion with a full respec of SP. Also, optimizing Legion for PS4 in the future would do the console players a service as we've continued to support the vision that is now Legion for the past year or two . We will continue to support CCP if this comes to fruition. Square Enix released Final Fantasy 14 on PS4 last month after first developing and re-releasing A Realm Reborn on PC, then optimizing it for the PS4 hardware and interface. Planetside 2 Devs are doing the same with their game. My only wish is that we can do the same. I see you coming from a mile away.

LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 597	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:30:00 - [151] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. Just like Cat Merc said, it is the console aspect that is highly concerning to a large portion of us here. If you tell me my character will move over with all the SP and everything, yeah ok that's fine, but if it's not on PS4 and keep in mind, that's why I originally signed onto Dust in the first place because it was ON A CONSOLE, then what is the point of me continuing in Dust??? I use a pair of MacBooks for work, and I have no doubt that Legion won't run on them considering I only have a certain amount of hardware space available in them. I am not going to go out and buy another computer just so I can go run another version of Dust which was originally supposed to be on a console. EVE currently can run on a MacBook so there's no reason to think that Legion won't be able to either. Even at the lowest graphics setting it won't look worse that DUST Well, if there will be a controller interface for it, so that I don't have to use a keyboard input, my anger will finally be assuaged. I still won't be pleased that it isn't console based though anymore, but I don't think that's going to change now. I have quite a few PC games also, but I like my consoles a bit more. Now a very angry and Bitter Vet. CCP, you have further solidified my views that corporations are corrupt POS's.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10746	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:34:00 - [152] - Quote First I would like to start by saying I think remaking Dust on PC was a good decision because the PS3 is obsolete, restrictive, and becoming irrelevant (though there should have been a promise to bring it to PS4 since the players that supported you, and that you promised all these features to are on consoles). Now my questions: With no specific plans for new assets for Dust shown at Fanfest (Fanfest is when you guys unveil plans, but not one weapon, equipment, map, or outpost was shown for Dust) why should we really believe you guys when you say you're still working on Dust at any substantive capacity Any plans to reveal new asset plans for Dust in the coming weeks and months to give us hope If possible, feel free to release some vague details right now on the forums; anything will do. Please answer these. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 12	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:37:00 - [153] - Quote Can we expect a playable Legion alpha/beta this year? Would it be on Steam, like EVE? I think the majority of us are ticked because there is nothing tangible in our hands or to look forward to for the foreseeable future. We're all having to wait a (possible) second development cycle for another game, and time is precious. I, for one, will be moving over to Legion once it comes around. It just saddens me that I won't have something to play with until an alpha/beta/release comes about. With effectively nothing left in development for DUST, and I completely understand the need for the move, I'm sitting here holding-out for a "What Should Have Been" MMOFPS. Guess I'll go Fus Ro Dah some dragons Prepare you angus
rayakalj9 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:42:00 - [154] - Quote what about ps4??.. like i said its in the pc level now... am not saying that the game shouldn't be on pc i understand what their doing but why not ps4, thats what am thinking
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 235	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:45:00 - [155] - Quote I don't have anything major to say, but the reveal of Legion really puts the last two monthly update cycles for Dust (updates 1.7 and 1.8) into context. Major balance issues and bugs have plagued both of Dust's last two updates. Is this related to the dev team being stretched while also working on the Legion prototype? The Legion gameplay trailer looks very nice, for a pre-alpha (I presume), so a lot of work must have been going on to transfer Dust's in game assets over to Legion. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Megan Steel DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs 23	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:50:00 - [156] - Quote Is this as serious as the LASER FOCUSED on the PS3 Development ?
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 743	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:51:00 - [157] - Quote Is station boarding (proof starts @2:43 into vid) going to be in DUST or Legion? Or its just artist's impression? F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
Ayrie Coronach DUST University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:53:00 - [158] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. "If"? "IF"?! The fact that you began your sentence with *"If"* instead of *"When"* tells me a lot. It tells me that the future of Legion is still very much in flux. Financially, developmentally and logistically you are not CERTAIN that you can deliver Legion as anything more than a tech demo at this year's fanfest. It tells me that you've abandoned development of a game which actually exists, has seen full release and has players, LOYAL PAYING PLAYERS (albeit small-ish numbers of them), in the HOPE that you can crank out a larger cash cow. It also tells me that everything you have to say about character data persistence across the two games is worth precisely nothing as of this moment. It's good that you're considering it, but did you honestly not realize that this needed to be something you could GUARANTEE ON ANNOUNCEMENT DAY? Really? Regardless, the other game is still an "If", therefore anything even tangentially related to said game is an "If" as well. You don't get credit for "If". You get credit for "When". You get bonus points for "Here it is, right now". Now I don't begrudge you reaching for larger returns, at all. CCP is a company, companies exist to make money. But you people need to take a few night classes in business administration at your local community college. A few correspondence courses in public relations also couldn't hurt, just sayin'! You don't take the cow that is currently producing milk, even at a trickle, behind the woodshed to meet Mr. Winchester before her replacement is grown and gravid. And when it IS time to meet Mr. Winchester, you TAKE HER BEHIND THE WOODSHED! You don't splatter her grey matter all over her calves. It has an unsettling effect on the herd. CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. So... bugfixes and balance updates. That's all you've committed to right there. No, wait! rereads You didn't even do THAT! You couldn't even commit to MAINTENANCE development, because that would be "promising too much". What you HAVE actually committed to, I surmise by the omission of its mention, is the cessation of all further expansion development. No new features, items, game modes or mechanics. No actual content. DUST 514 is dead in the water. You'll try and plug holes in the boat. If you can. Sometimes. No promises. But asking for an oar or sails seems to be out of the question. CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Of course it's too early, we covered this in the section starting with *"If". This is the one item I'm not going to give you any grief about whatsoever. Because If there's ONE THING* CCP needs to stop doing, it's writing checks that can't be cashed. I applaud the complete and utter lack of hype-up or stringing people along here, and the absence of grandiose promises you very well might not be able to deliver on. So, kudos for making progress and collectively growing as people. CCP Rouge wrote: 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Here's my feedback: Legion looks very nice. I am sure the people that play Legion ("if" it sees release) will be very impressed with it. Now here's my challenge to you, CCP Rouge and the rest of you at CCP. Tell me: why would I want to play Legion? After your gross mishandling of DUST 514 in general, and this Legion reveal debacle particularly, why would I want to have anything to do with CCP or its games in future? What guarantee do I have that in, let's say three years time, I won't be hearing about how "laser focused" you are on Legion's development? What guarantee do I have that after its release, all the cool features and ideas the Legion devs are telling me is in the pipe and on its way won't be co-opted by your next game, never to see release in Legion? What guarantee do I have that Legion won't be bound and gagged, have its legs silently cut from under it and then left to bleed out slowly, while the money and time and feedback I THOUGHT I spent fueling Legion's growth and evolution are surreptitiously used to fund development of CCP's next pet project; Legion 514: Return of the Dust Valkyries? Well? Tell me. CALL 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS '2' AND THEN '2' AGAIN. AURUM PURCHASES CAN BE REFUNDED WITHIN 90 DAYS!
gray wolf93 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:55:00 - [159] - Quote CCP rouge claims dust players won't be left behind what the players that can't play on a pc due to health problems like i said in a post i had a back injury that made a disc in my spine pushing against my spinal cord and bone degeneration which if i sit or stand to long and in to much pain . Been a part of eve on console was great as i Don't have to be sat up so as i said in the last post i feel kind of discriminated against by ccp and i still feel the same about rouge and what view was
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 250	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:03:00 - [160] - Quote Holy ** look at all those answers to your questions players. They are busy on Legion, no time for us and when they do it will be some sugar coated garbage post. Commander, Director of DL and Leader of The SS Elite Squad** *Putting Dust players out of their misery since Jan 2013

Starfire Revo DUST University Ivy League 214	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:10:00 - [161] - Quote Will Dust characters be safe in the event that the PS3 version gets shut down (speaking long term)? I make videos of EVE and Dust http://www.youtube.com/mrgimbleb I write about EVE and Dust http://mrgimbleb.blogspot.com
SCAT mania Intara Direct Action Caldari State 444	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:11:00 - [162] - Quote The only way I'd be happy about transferring over to Legion would be: If Legion is not free and is based on the same system as eve is with subscriptions then dust players would be excluded (lifetime subscription) as a "thank you" for running Legion's Beta for that last 3 years. If it's free than all AUR spent in dust would be refunded onto legion. Bonus AUR would do well too. Dust players would receive kickass BPO's. And i dont mean your run of the mill Militia gear with a fancy paint job. At least advanced gear. An officer bpo wouldn't go astray as an "I'm sorry for the kick in the teeth" you gave us. This gear would be excluded to dust mercs only and would never be available to anyone in any future ingame events or on the market. First to have Alpha and Beta Access even if its a day or 2 before EVE Players. Transfer of all sp and bpo from dust to legion these exclusives wouldn't be too far fetched (maybe the officer bpo, but 100 copies of each officer weapon would do). So look I know CCP has screwed up alot with this community. The trust is gone, The only way i can see any kind of redemption would be to give us most of the above and give dust mercs full acknowledgment of the work they did for this Beta (and lets face it dust was always a beta), like give us a Monument in legion and eve with everyone's names on it.
Soozu 5o1st 188	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:14:00 - [163] - Quote There is something wrong with DUST's core programming isn't there, something that makes it useless going forward? I've thought so for awhile. PR speaking you can't admit it, its fine as it is expected. Go on and do your thing, but I play playstation. Gimmie my racing mode and we'll call er even.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 569	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:14:00 - [164] - Quote okay im much calmer now and sort of thinking of staying. heres a few questions. how about converting our suit bpo's to unbuyable cosmetic skins for our suits. a kind of thank you to thosse of us here who have surported your game. please could we have a trade window? at least so we can get rid of the stuff we dont use.. we dont have parity not all racial heavy weapons and vehicles are we going to see them? what extent does the effort to work on dust extend to? will we see any or none? and in what time frame? thanks in advance for reading this. and more so if you take the time to respond.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2648	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:14:00 - [165] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Whats up with all you people being able to afford a PS4 but saing you're not able to afford a decent PC. That doesn't make any sense. Do a reality check on how expensive a decent PC is please and don't buy everything from alienware. PC or PS4 doesn't matter at all. I expected a PS4 version too, but CCP decided on PC for obvious reasons (Test server, no patch delays because Sony wants to check every patch). And I think that's good. You would have to buy a new platform anyways. You want to keep playing Dust (now called Legion) you just spent your 400 bucks on a PC instead of a PS4. Problem - solved. I'm now just interested in what CCP has in mind for transferring the chars over. This will decide it for me. I've been in situations where I'm VERY short on money, and where I live, electronics are expensive. When the PS3 was first released, I planned ahead, saving for more than 3 months, including both Christmas and my birthday being devoted to "help me pay off my PS3" requests whenever anyone asked what I wanted. With the PS4, I've decided NOT to go for it, because the subscription cost for online play is something I don't agree with, and one of the key reasons why I never went for the XBox 360 even when I have had the disposable income for it. Many people have gone out and bought themselves a PS4 because of the announced exclusives it was getting... INCLUDING DUST 514 WHICH IS NOW TURNING INTO PS4 VAPORWARE. GG CCP. Ps4 does require the ps+ subscription for the online game, except F2P. Any Free to Play would be Free to play without any sub. Dust "Legion" 514 would be free to play, and one of the few free to play out there. People who own a PS4 will simply try it out at no cost. A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost way more than a ps4. > *I'm a gamer, not your Guinea Pig*
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 341	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:15:00 - [166] - Quote the least you can do CCP Douche, is to give this dead end lobby shooter, racial vehicle parity, more maps and more suits so at least it is a complete lobby shooter, cause you and saberscrub, lied to us at our face, some payed to see a dust 514 keynote, guess what there was no dust keynote, you basically abandoned dust to its own luck, and please dont say otherwise cause we are not idiots, you owe us, we tested and played this game and you failed miserably, this stain will follow you, you will never be successful on console again, you have no trust or respect of any console gamer, this failure will never vanish from your record or your memory. RIP Dust 514.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3072	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:16:00 - [167] - Quote Regarding Project Legion, you are not getting the feedback you wanted, because rage over how you presented it has completely overshadowed any thought of the game itself. In the interest of you not taking the fallout from the Rouge Wedding as a lack of interest in Project Legion, let me provide a little feedback. Project Legion promises the vision that DUST 514 originally promised. We have not lost interest in that vision. We still want it. I still want it. I purchased a PS3 specifically to play DUST 514 because of that vision. I am now prepared to spend $2000 to play Project Legion when it hits Beta. That is how committed I am to the vision of a FPS MMO in New Eden. Hopefully building it from the ground up again will allow you to include the main features from the start. Planetary Conquest might actually work, if Planetary Conquest income is generated through Corp members scavenging in Corp Districts. Having a market from the start will be very important. Having PVE will make the NPE easier. The proposed reformatting of the Skill progression seems sensible. The game also seemed beautiful, and the ability to open up the full map areas for some stuff will add a lot. Maybe we can even have more than 32 people in a battle. The PC platform will provide some exciting opportunities. I hope that anger over how the communication was handled does not give CCP the false impression that people are no longer interested in a FPS MMO in the EVE Universe. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 661	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:16:00 - [168] - Quote deleted due to excessive vulgarity
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 238	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:17:00 - [169] - Quote Four hours after the OP, and still no blue tags. Excellent discussion Rouge. I mean, really, just outstanding.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 67	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:20:00 - [170] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Regarding Project Legion, you are not getting the feedback you wanted, because rage over how you presented it has completely overshadowed any thought of the game itself. In the interest of you not taking the fallout from the Rouge Wedding as a lack of interest in Project Legion, let me provide a little feedback. Project Legion promises the vision that DUST 514 originally promised. We have not lost interest in that vision. We still want it. I still want it. I purchased a PS3 specifically to play DUST 514 because of that vision. I am now prepared to spend $2000 to play Project Legion when it hits Beta. That is how committed I am to the vision of a FPS MMO in New Eden. Hopefully building it from the ground up again will allow you to include the main features from the start. Planetary Conquest might actually work, if Planetary Conquest income is generated through Corp members scavenging in Corp Districts. Having a market from the start will be very important. Having PVE will make the NPE easier. The proposed reformatting of the Skill progression seems sensible. The game also seemed beautiful, and the ability to open up the full map areas for some stuff will add a lot. Maybe we can even have more than 32 people in a battle. The PC platform will provide some exciting opportunities. I hope that anger over how the communication was handled does not give CCP the false impression that people are no longer interested in a FPS MMO in the EVE Universe. Yup words words words BUT WORDS ARE NOT SWORDS because what i know from CCP and articles around they dont give a fc[UK] on US anymore. just go and read articles where our community is stated like "honestly how many players we have here" etc style CCP going to make dust 514 awesome, yup like their layer focus and pig who can fly bshates, nothing else. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5250	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:21:00 - [171] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Ps4 does require the ps+ subscription for the online game, except F2P. Any Free to Play would be Free to play without any sub. Dust "Legion" 514 would be free to play, and one of the few free to play out there. People who own a PS4 will simply try it out at no cost. Not ENTIRELY true. Free-to-play games are ALLOWED, but not REQUIRED, to operate online without PS+ subs. The developer/publisher for the game can choose to restrict their online playerbase to paying customers only at their discretion. And besides, the point I was making was that I wasn't buying a PS4 because the majority of exclusives I would want to play over time are going to be games I've BOUGHT with multiplayer, not free-to-play games. Quote: A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost way more than a ps4. A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost more than a PS4's initial purchase cost, but you can play BF4 on it whenever you want without having to keep paying a subscription fee every month. By the time you've been playing for a year, the cost is going to be close to even, if not unbalanced in favour of the PC being the cheaper option.
Soozu 5o1st 188	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:23:00 - [172] - Quote Soozu wrote: There is something wrong with DUST's core programming isn't there, something that makes it useless going forward? I've thought so for awhile. PR speaking you can't admit it, its fine as it is expected. Go on and do your thing, but I play playstation. Gimmie my racing mode and we'll call er even. Oh yeah, and you shouldn't have called it LEGION... you should have just said DUST 514 was expanding to Computer. Cause if you're going to be full of shite, do it with class. I'm available as a PR consultant by the way.,
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:25:00 - [173] - Quote DJINN Sun Tzu wrote: In many ways, Dust for the ps3 was probably a mistake, although I'm glad they did it or I wouldn't be in EVE lol but still. I can totally understand your rage, although a refund isn't entirely necessary. I payed real money, and I got my money's worth out of the game. I'm annoyed at SONY for some things about my money as well. Although if you guys can get a refund, you probably should. Good point. I am also not convicted by the refund argument. I have also spent a tone of real cash at the start. However because I understood the vision for this project I quickly saw that DUST 514 on PS3 is a failure, so I stopped grinding, and buying AUR. I guess I made a smarter financial decision then most of the people who continued buying AUR. But does that give me the right to judge other players who spent real money on an F2P game of a very uncertain future? No. And thats the real point hear: the refund argument is very subjective and individual, and there is many ways of looking at it: 1. Since the beginning DUST gaming experience is much improved. Isn't that worth some of your money, after all it is still a F2P? You took a risk of sorts, invested time and money and now you feel you have lost. CCP did as well. We cannot deny that in the overall strategy and financially the PS3 DUST project is a failure for both sides. It never reached the critical mass of players and it was to slow and unstable on delivering "the grand vision." 2. Can you honestly claim you have not benefited from AUR while playing until now, and it wasn't fun? And that all the grinding you did and the real money you have spent was only for the hypothetical joy you will receive in the future? I mean how many games have you bought that you do not play anymore? 3. Last but not least, DUST on PS3 may be around for as long as two more years. The player experience will be continually improved, didn't you just get 1.8? And if you stick around you have every possibility to migrate into the new version and get your money's worth after all. If someone cannot accept more waiting then get your refund and stop spewing toxic waste just to prove you can. After watching the last CCP keynote today it is clear that they drew some hard lessons their experience with other platforms. Their new approach is to first make all this work on a PC: Valkyrie, Dust, EVE. In fact they plan to merge all the characters into one account. Once that is done successfully they will start expanding on other platforms, consoles, tablets etc. If they are ever to succeed in creating their dream scfi universe, starting where they are strongest: a PC; Is the only sane way to do it. Does this spell doom for Dust on PS4, not at all because once they have the new engine porting it on PS4 is but a formality. After all Valkyrie is already promised for PS4. \|It may be hard to swallow, but this is how CCP has done it always two steps forward one step back.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1739	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:27:00 - [174] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: If only CCP had listened to EVE players originally Dust never would have been on ps3 to begin with. Pretty much all the reasons CCP has given for the switch to PC are the same reasons the EVE players told them going ps3 was a bad idea. I feel better now at least knowing my Dust toon might not go to waste. And I am happy that going PC will allow this game to reach the level we have all wanted for so long. I am sad that CCP had burned so many bridges with this move and most importantly, how they handled it. I am also sad that many of the friends I have made in Dust are only console gamers and most probably won't switch to PC. :( Why should we switch to a PC? Who makes you better than us console gamers? I have a PC and just deleted my EVE account because of the way CCP does things. This is complete BS and I hope CCP and their new and existing game die quickly... CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Cygnus Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:29:00 - [175] - Quote Part of me hopes these are true answers. The other part of me wonders if that 'SP/items/char' transfer thing is just a way to hold a new carrot in front of peoples faces so they continue to buy items in DUST. Fool me once...
APOPHIS Xxx The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 36	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:29:00 - [176] - Quote Come around goes around ccp. You bit the hands that feed you! What do you say to the players that went to fanfest just for Dust?! That is so phucking WRONG! This will be the start of your DOWNFALL! Remember this day! I hope you fail with legion on the PC. Win or lose....I bring out the best in you!
DJINN Sun Tzu Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:29:00 - [177] - Quote Something to consider. ~ Lord Racorivan Kador
ArgosThanat0s M E N A L O N 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:32:00 - [178] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. I suggest you visit the front page of the game in the news section and see for yourself that the announcement for expired events is still on. No dev was available to update these "news". What i want to say is that the game is already ABANDONED many days ago. Frankly what do you expect from your customers now ? To continue buying boosters and AUR to support Dust514 ? I feel sorry for the effort and hours i spent for a CCP product. Dust and EvE players are far more intelligent that the players of other games you may have previous experience. Expect Rage like you would never have experienced before. Quit all the nonsense about continuing to develop Dust. Nonsense that is only oriented into convincing the few foolish enough to go on supporting your team. Shame on you Mr. Rouge (your face should turn rouge from shame if there is any in your brain) Don't ask what CCP can do for you. Just ask what YOU can do for CCP.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5251	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:32:00 - [179] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: 3. Last but not least, DUST on PS3 may be around for as long as two more years. The player experience will be continually improved, didn't you just get 1.8? And if you stick around you have every possibility to migrate into the new version and get your money's worth after all. If someone cannot accept more waiting then get your refund and stop spewing toxic waste just to prove you can. Source that confirms we'll even be getting competent and timely bug fixes, let alone any new content or "continual improvement" as you're claiming? Rouge's own comment has vague PR speak implying that we'll PROBABLY be getting SOME bug fixes and rebalancing, much of which is already several months overdue. Have you been looking at some other information the rest of us don't have which confirms continued development? And does that information also confirm that they're going to be at all prompt about even the basic long-overdue improvements to PC and other potentially game-breaking flaws?
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 278	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:51:00 - [180] - Quote I support going to PC and renaming from odd name (WTF 514 means???) to something more EVE consistent (EVE Legion) I support going to truly MMO sandbox, and going away from ordinary lobby shooter I support for it being truly connected to New Eden (not only OB or chat, but sound, UI, other 3d assets etc.) But let's be honest - your presentation was harsh I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits

Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:51:00 - [181] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Have you been looking at some other information the rest of us don't have which confirms continued development? And does that information also confirm that they're going to be at all prompt about even the basic long-overdue improvements to PC and other potentially game-breaking flaws? How do I know if they will continue to tweak their PS3 project? To be honest I am just guessing based on my experience with CCP over the last 8 years. On DUST I was here from beta and have seen scores of unresolved issues. CCP could spend thousands in optimizing on this platform but the signs of difficulties of making it work on the PS3 have been here for a while. Remember Uprising 1.0? I guess what I am saying is that in terms of development it will not get much worst then it was until now. Perhaps even better since there will not be any major releases but rather smaller patches dedicated to a smother game play. I mean why not? Keeping the console community around until this new concept is ready is in their best interest because no matter what people say I think PS4 is inevitable at some point.
Beld Errmon 1633	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:53:00 - [182] - Quote the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2350	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:54:00 - [183] - Quote PC gaming is not an option for many of us console peasants. A simultaneous launch on PS4 and PC will probabaly be the only way to retain this part of the playerbase. This can only be achieved if Dust gets a decent amount of support and content in the mean time. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5251	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:56:00 - [184] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Have you been looking at some other information the rest of us don't have which confirms continued development? And does that information also confirm that they're going to be at all prompt about even the basic long-overdue improvements to PC and other potentially game-breaking flaws? How do I know if they will continue to tweak their PS3 project? To be honest I am just guessing based on my experience with CCP over the last 8 years. On DUST I was here from beta and have seen scores of unresolved issues. CCP could spend thousands in optimizing on this platform but the signs of difficulties of making it work on the PS3 have been here for a while. Remember Uprising 1.0? I guess what I am say is that it will not get much worst then it already is. Perhaps even better since there will not be any major releases but rather smaller patches dedicated to a better game play. I mean why not, keeping the console community around is in their best interest because no matter what people say I think PS4 is a must at some point. Claiming that DUST 514 will see "continual improvement", and saying there might be occasional tweaks imply VERY different things. Are they likely to break the game more than they already have with many of the stupid changes they've made? No. Are they likely to make any SIGNIFICANT or MEANINGFUL improvements to the game ever again? No. Unless, of course, the whole Legion thing gets either scrapped or reworked into what it SHOULD have been all along - a reboot/re-release of DUST with the core content we were promised all along ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE RELEASE THIS TIME. And yes, the PS3 should be able to handle what they want to do, and they SHOULD be making a PS3 version of the initial Legion client, as well as PS4 and maybe (ONLY MAYBE, NOT DEFINITELY) a PC release alongside them.
Ghural The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 205	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:56:00 - [185] - Quote So if we don't actually get to keep all our stuff (CCP has told lies before), the community will ensure that Legion will be a failure. You have been warned. Again. What is it about CCP execs that they feel they don't need to listen to the playerbase/CPM?
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 394	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:56:00 - [186] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. You are a joke. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Beld Errmon 1633	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:00:00 - [187] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. You are a joke. Well I am pretty amused, watching the giant collective toddler tantrum dust players are chucking right now has made my weekend, getting what you deserve, left in the dust. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5252	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:01:00 - [188] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. The DUST prototypes looked about the same amount better than actual DUST does now. For that matter, pre-Uprising DUST looked better in many ways than DUST does now. Legion looks like the same promises and the same content we've been waiting for DUST to get all this time. Most of what was promised SHOULD be possible within the framework of the PS3. Some things will need them to step up to PS3 and maybe PC, but for the most part, it SHOULD be possible to make what DUST was always meant to be on PS3 and have it actually work ON THE PS3. I don't care if they rename it "Legion" or "Squeegly-Spooch" or whatever. But they're killing off a game they SHOULD still be supporting.
Beld Errmon 1635	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:13:00 - [189] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: [quote=Beld Errmon] The DUST prototypes looked about the same amount better than actual DUST does now. For that matter, pre-Uprising DUST looked better in many ways than DUST does now. Yeah probably because it was presented via a PC and not an 8 year old crapsole. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:18:00 - [190] - Quote I've more faith in Nintendo Moo.

Rogue Saint Science For Death 1044	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:18:00 - [191] - Quote I for one am looking forward to a PC version of DUST. Few hardware constraints, better controls, quicker updates and all that brings. I can understand the resentment felt by the DUST community, especially how we found out about Legion, as someone that sunk a good year of my play time into DUST and spent circa -ú500 on the game you would think I would be bitter too... I'm not. Consoles would never provide a meaningful experience that CCP was hoping to achieve and for that they should apologise for that in some way, but do I want a refund of the cash I spent? No. If Legion takes all the good things from DUST and adds in all the things we wanted (such as a proper economy as per EvE), then Legion will be awesome. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official
DUST Fiend Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13846	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:20:00 - [192] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: I for one am looking forward to a PC version of DUST. Few hardware constraints, better controls, quicker updates and all that brings. I can understand the resentment felt by the DUST community, especially how we found out about Legion, as someone that sunk a good year of my play time into DUST and spent circa -ú500 on the game you would think I would be bitter too... I'm not. Consoles would never provide a meaningful experience that CCP was hoping to achieve and for that they should apologise for that in some way, but do I want a refund of the cash I spent? No. If Legion takes all the good things from DUST and adds in all the things we wanted (such as a proper economy as per EvE), then Legion will be awesome. I have just two words for you: Test Server Long live Legion
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5252	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:22:00 - [193] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: For that matter, pre-Uprising DUST looked better in many ways than DUST does now. Yeah probably because it was presented via a PC and not an 8 year old crapsole. lolwut?
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:23:00 - [194] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Unless, of course, the whole Legion thing gets either scrapped or reworked into what it SHOULD have been all along - a reboot/re-release of DUST with the core content we were promised all along ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE RELEASE THIS TIME. And yes, the PS3 should be able to handle what they want to do, and they SHOULD be making a PS3 version of the initial Legion client, as well as PS4 and maybe (ONLY MAYBE, NOT DEFINITELY) a PC release alongside them. I really do think that PS4 is a very real possibility now, i.e. a reboot. What people must realise and what is hard to accept for the understandably disappointed console players is that by succeeding with Legion on their own platform, a PC, CCP is more likely to successfully expand to other platforms. As far as DUST 514 being handled well by the PS3 and its network I simply do not agree, and have a completely different experience. I actually stopped playing because my PS3 got overheated and crushed too many times. Plus the network froze daily. I guess if it was another MAG or COD type game it could definitely be handled by PS3 but a game that is suppose to work in conjunction with the EVE cluster, no way... They would have to scrap all their plans for a meaningful interaction between the two games. FW and PC is all that they where able to combine and in a very limited way at that. If they tried to merged the markets plus add PVE , LOL the whole system would just melt.
ArgosThanat0s M E N A L O N 1	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:26:00 - [195] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. Mr Emmon ....Mr Emmon please proceed to CCP Personnel department to get his fee ...Thank you Don't ask what CCP can do for you. Just ask what YOU can do for CCP.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 747	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:27:00 - [196] - Quote This forum is for Dust 514. So why are 3 of the 4 questions/answers about a game that is not Dust 514? CCP, can you stop shoving Legion down our throats? Make a new section for that game or something if you want, but can this area be for Dust discussion only please? Even if that means nothing else is said.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 239	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:29:00 - [197] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you. WTF is with the constant fanboy attitude of PC players? You chose a different system to game on, go you! To be fair it is primarily EvE players that act this way. Just because you have a tower instead of a console does not make you better than anyone else. Before you go ahead and flame me for being a console user, I have a PC also. The only difference is I am a gamer, pure and simple. I don't care what I game on as long as I enjoy it. Stop using your false sense of superiority to try and make yourself look good. You come across as a complete douche. Actually since we're making statements with no solid evidence, you ARE a complete douche.
Raltar Galtoun Jotunn Risi Ushra'Khan 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:30:00 - [198] - Quote The manner in which this news was released has been a slap in the face to this community that stuck with the game despite its rocky launch and shortcomings. CCP Rouge, you need to acknowledge that. The move to PC is going to leave purely console gamers behind and Project Legion does nothing for them. As a PC gamer myself, I hope that project Legion can deliver on what Dust514 has failed to provide, but having been burned before I remain wary. What information we have been given all sounds goodd on paper but I desperately want to know if you can deliver. If you can deliver on Project Legion, it will be a remarkable game. But I am deeply concerned about how long it is going to take to become a reality. Even the vaguest estimate would be welcome at this point swiftly followed by an outlibe of what we can hope to see come to Dusy514 in the meantime. And crucially, if Project Legion does not become a reality - what happens then? If it is a genuine possibly that Legion does not go ahead, what is left on the table for the future of the Dust514 vision?
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1540	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:30:00 - [199] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: This forum is for Dust 514. So why are 3 of the 4 questions/answers about a game that is not Dust 514? CCP, can you stop shoving Legion down our throats? Make a new section for that game or something if you want, but can this area be for Dust discussion only please? Even if that means nothing else is said. It's because Legion directly affects dust. Legion IS dust, there's no denying that. What happens in dust depends on what's up with Legion. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
SCAT mania Intara Direct Action Caldari State 446	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:32:00 - [200] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: [quote=Beld Errmon] The DUST prototypes looked about the same amount better than actual DUST does now. For that matter, pre-Uprising DUST looked better in many ways than DUST does now. Yeah probably because it was presented via a PC and not an 8 year old crapsole. Dont just give in though!! make demands!! Go get something out of CCP for all this mess they've put us through and all the work we did! even if its some for some original BPOs. or Early access! Why should we just say " transferring over our characters is enough". We should be getting a hell of alot more recognition for our beta testing

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2751	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:35:00 - [201] - Quote SCAT mania wrote: The only way I'd be happy about transferring over to Legion would be: If Legion is not free and is based on the same system as eve is with subscriptions then dust players would be excluded (lifetime subscription) as a "thank you" for running Legion's Beta for that last 3 years. If it's free than all AUR spent in dust would be refunded onto legion. Bonus AUR would do well too. Dust players would receive kickass BPO's. And i dont mean your run of the mill Militia gear with a fancy paint job. At least advanced gear. An officer bpo wouldn't go astray as an "I'm sorry for the kick in the teeth" you gave us. This gear would be excluded to dust mercs only and would never be available to anyone in any future ingame events or on the market. First to have Alpha and Beta Access even if its a day or 2 before EVE Players. Transfer of all sp and bpo from dust to legion these exclusives wouldn't be too far fetched (maybe the officer bpo, but 100 copies of each officer weapon would do). So look I know CCP has screwed up alot with this community. The trust is gone, The only way i can see any kind of redemption would be to give us most of the above and give dust mercs full acknowledgment of the work they did for this Beta (and lets face it dust was always a beta), like give us a Monument in legion and eve with everyone's names on it. I concur, CCP has lost a lot of credit now, for some people the rift CCP have caused will be irreparable, but the least they can do is make it up to us. First thing they need to do is anyone who has biomassed since the keynote needs to be moved to an alternate doomheim named lazurus, allow anyone who biomassed themselves to be 'ressurected' without consequence, whenever they want. Ensure a memorial wall is placed somewhere in legacy with the name of EVERY Dust 514 player active at the time of fanfest. This memorial should be placed somewhere central, where Dust Players can take pride. Personally invite EVERY Dust player to the closed beta, all of us, every single one. Finally a written apology, that says the way they handled this was wrong Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5253	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:37:00 - [202] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Unless, of course, the whole Legion thing gets either scrapped or reworked into what it SHOULD have been all along - a reboot/re-release of DUST with the core content we were promised all along ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE RELEASE THIS TIME. And yes, the PS3 should be able to handle what they want to do, and they SHOULD be making a PS3 version of the initial Legion client, as well as PS4 and maybe (ONLY MAYBE, NOT DEFINITELY) a PC release alongside them. I really do think that PS4 is a very real possibility now, i.e. a reboot. What people must realise and what is hard to accept for the understandably disappointed console players is that by succeeding with Legion on their own platform, a PC, CCP is more likely to successfully expand to other platforms. As far as DUST 514 being handled well by the PS3 and its network I simply do not agree, and have a completely different experience. I actually stopped playing because my PS3 got overheated and crushed too many times. Plus the network froze daily. I guess if it was another MAG or COD type game it could definitely be handled by PS3 but a game that is suppose to work in conjunction with the EVE cluster, no way... They would have to scrap all their plans for a meaningful interaction between the two games. FW and PC is all that they where able to combine and in a very limited way at that. If they tried to merged the markets plus add PVE , LOL the whole system would just melt. At what point have I EVER said that CCP have succeeded in doing what they should be doing with DUST? It isn't release-ready, and I've gone on record MANY times saying as much. It's not finished, the code is nowhere near what it needs in the way of optimisation for the PS3. There are multiplayer games on PS3 running in the same game engine CCP used which have (or had in the defunct cases) smooth gameplay, wider FOV, better graphics and still don't cause overheating problems for the console. The problems with DUST aren't inherently because the PS3 can't handle what CCP wanted to make. The problem is that CCP's programmers haven't been able to do what other developers can with the same system.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 567	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:38:00 - [203] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: if we cant have a player market at least can we swap salvage betwen char on the same account. when i run my proto minlogi i recieve hmg's for salvage?? when i run my gall heavey i recieve proto repair tools? if a player market cant be done on ps3 can we have someway of doing something with the salvage that will never be used on the character that recieved it Yeah, give an item gifting service and a sell-back option for all gear since a proper player market will never be realised on DUST 514. Anything previously considered lore-breaking can also be reconsidered now since lore has no place in this no-future lobby-shooter. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
DJINN REX Darkring Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:38:00 - [204] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I concur, CCP has lost a lot of credit now, for some people the rift CCP have caused will be irreparable, but the least they can do is make it up to us. First thing they need to do is anyone who has biomassed since the keynote needs to be moved to an alternate doomheim named lazurus, allow anyone who biomassed themselves to be 'ressurected' without consequence, whenever they want. Ensure a memorial wall is placed somewhere in legacy with the name of EVERY Dust 514 player active at the time of fanfest. This memorial should be placed somewhere central, where Dust Players can take pride. Personally invite EVERY Dust player to the closed beta, all of us, every single one. Finally a written apology, that says the way they handled this was wrong Don't really see that happening. Dust was always CCP's pet project, but their offspring is EVE. Everything else is secondary, so I won't be surprised if nothing like this happens. That said, I completely agree with you.
Dan Centauri Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:41:00 - [205] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: I support going to PC and renaming from odd name (WTF 514 means???) to something more EVE consistent (EVE Legion) 514 just became the expiry date May 2014 . In all seriousness due to lack of livingroom space and boxing up my PS3 I've not been playing Dust so I'm really happy to be able to play Legion some point in the future on the PC. Overall Dust activity is down just looking at server activity it has been slowly dying for a while. Instead of flogging a dead horse CCP are doing the right thing, killing a name which is already covered with so much bad press due to some game play issues during Alpha/Beta was also a good call too. All game developers mess up and have games flop, Dust 514 was CCPs. Now they get to learn from their experience developing a FPS and make something that doesn't suck living up to the dream that the EVE community brought into when it was first announced at Fanfest many moons ago.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2753	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:45:00 - [206] - Quote DJINN REX Darkring wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I concur, CCP has lost a lot of credit now, for some people the rift CCP have caused will be irreparable, but the least they can do is make it up to us. First thing they need to do is anyone who has biomassed since the keynote needs to be moved to an alternate doomheim named lazurus, allow anyone who biomassed themselves to be 'ressurected' without consequence, whenever they want. Ensure a memorial wall is placed somewhere in legacy with the name of EVERY Dust 514 player active at the time of fanfest. This memorial should be placed somewhere central, where Dust Players can take pride. Personally invite EVERY Dust player to the closed beta, all of us, every single one. Finally a written apology, that says the way they handled this was wrong Don't really see that happening. Dust was always CCP's pet project, but their offspring is EVE. Everything else is secondary, so I won't be surprised if nothing like this happens. That said, I completely agree with you. Prescisely my point CCP has 1 product, that's it, they wanted to bring more people to the universe of new eden, they wamted to bring console players, yet so far they have only screwed us over, if CCP wamts to maintain their console following they need to show us, that we mean something to them. That we are more than just lab rats! Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 567	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:48:00 - [207] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: I support going to PC and renaming from odd name (WTF 514 means???) You don't know?! 5/14 was the expiry date of this beta. "In May of 2014, the PSN-player-funded DUST 514 was diagnosed with terminal cancer. There is currently no estimate of life expectancy and every day that DUST 514 lives on is a gift, albeit an unappreciated one." Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 144	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:50:00 - [208] - Quote THE MAN found out about Legion...Prepare you az The man discovered
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 389	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:50:00 - [209] - Quote 11 pages and 6/7 hours later, still no response. I'm glad I stopped putting money into this game after Uprising hit. **** off CCP. Stuff....?
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 407	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:52:00 - [210] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Thank you for all of your feedback so far. Hahahahahahaha! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--

NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1790	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:55:00 - [211] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. - would be nice if that happened 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. - CPM clearly doesn't represent us or our interestGÇª We'd rather interact directly in a thread like this and please keep CPM away from usGÇª 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. - this is the important bitGÇª After almost two years and thousands of hours of gameplay, i don't think any one of us dedicated players would want to wait another year or two to get this game on PC It is not about the Money, it's just that we are not PC gamers, so we do not wanna continue in a game only for it to go to PC Thank you for the clarification thoughGÇª
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 3221	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:59:00 - [212] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: TheReaper545 wrote: Whats in store for dust. Not much... This lol. Well that was fun
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 3221	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:00:00 - [213] - Quote I believe dust will become fw heavy as that's its only connection to eve really, maybe in eve legion we'll be the explorer clones or something and all that jazz. Looking forward to eve legion personally. Well that was fun
buhh buhh Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:01:00 - [214] - Quote Now this is the question: Unreal engine 4 for project legion? That's a must on PC Unreal 3 is already over 3 years old :s
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:01:00 - [215] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: The problems with DUST aren't inherently because the PS3 can't handle what CCP wanted to make. The problem is that CCP's programmers haven't been able to do what other developers can with the same system. I heard differently from some of my buddies who have talked to CCP from the start, and while I have seen plenty of mistakes from them I trust their effort is an honest one, they are not the types who give up easily. They like a challenge and are rather passionate about their vision. To me thats a hallmarks of DEV's who do not just give up a project because they lack skill... But well, you sound like an experienced programmer who knows his stuff and there is not much I can say to that.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 568	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:03:00 - [216] - Quote Cygnus Gogela wrote: Part of me hopes these are true answers. The other part of me wonders if that 'SP/items/char' transfer thing is just a way to hold a new carrot in front of peoples faces so they continue to buy items in DUST. Fool me once... Exactly! Transparency is not in CCP's vocabulary and all trust we once had in them has quickly been pissed away. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
DUST Fiend Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13852	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:03:00 - [217] - Quote Please do NOT let the rage deter you from making Legion. Legion is a GOOD idea. You just failed spectacularly at ANNOUNCING that idea, that's all. Please, for the Love of New Eden, do NOT let this project die before it even gets off the ground. LONG LIVE LEGION! LONG LIVE LEGION!
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 36	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:04:00 - [218] - Quote From what i have seen on fanfest EVE LEGION is way more than a protoype, the game is in a much better shape than dust is right now, the skill progression is much more consistent, game play is better, item balancing is better. So basicly, if you call Legion a prototype what dust is?? Please, DONT HOLD LEGION FOR AGES, release as soon as possible, not as a beta, as a full game, even if it only have one map!! we cannot give you feedback if we do not play it! Launch it as soon as possible PLEASE!
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 514	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:06:00 - [219] - Quote It make's no difference what you say here RED, I SEE RED, with only a 9000 player base DUST is going absolutely nowhere and I will still feel like i've robbed. Does this make sense, You know you can't get more cash for EVE players but you want to develop a new game for PC, so where to get the money. ? It can't be PC as this is what you want to fund so where else can you go, OK I know PS3 user. I will not follow you to the new game, concept or otherwise, I do not own a PC nor do I want one. So, when Destiny is released ALL corp members will follow, even those with EVE accounts. Whats more, you've know about this for some time to have Legion up and running INCLUDING dynamic Scenery FAR EXCEDING DUST514 and Functional Vehicles. SO FEEL FREE TO BIOMASS HEAVENLY DAUGHTER and it's 50 Million SP, just make sure you return the money you obtained under FALSE PRETENCES first along with the unspent Aurum. PS, SO MUCH FOR THE 7 YEARS OF LEARNING. ! The Organ Grinder & Co. Heavenly Daughter - New Merc
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3077	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:09:00 - [220] - Quote I also want to say, that since 1.8 I have enjoyed playing DUST. I was no longer just grinding through waiting for the glorious future. I can remember stopping mid battle on several occasions and thinking: GÇ£I am really enjoying this!GÇ¥ Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 568	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:11:00 - [221] - Quote Spademan wrote: 140+ replies, 3 and a half hours later...do you intend on responding? LOL, that's a pretty noobish question. We've all been here a while and know how CCP operate. We can sing for our answers, it won't help. +1 all the same. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5255	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:13:00 - [222] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: The problems with DUST aren't inherently because the PS3 can't handle what CCP wanted to make. The problem is that CCP's programmers haven't been able to do what other developers can with the same system. I heard differently from some of my buddies who have talked to CCP from the start, and while I have seen plenty of mistakes from them I trust their effort is an honest one, they are not the types who give up easily. They like a challenge and are rather passionate about their vision. To me thats a hallmarks of DEV's who do not just give up a project because they lack skill... But well, you sound like an experienced programmer who knows his stuff and there is not much I can say to that. I'm an experienced gamer, reviewer and tech suport guy who's well up to speed on the technical side of things. I'm not a programmer myself, but I have a lot of friends in the computing industry across both gaming and business applications, and I have enough involvement in the gaming industry to have picked up a lot. I've been involved in alpha and beta testing for a lot of games, many of which are on PS3, so I have that backing up my knowledge of the system as well. I'm not claiming that the people working for CCP didn't "try" to make DUST work. I'm saying they didn't actually reach the limits of the PS3's capabilities because they don't know how. There is a certain measure of what DUST wanted to be which simply can't happen on the PS3, but a lot of things - PvE, player market, etc. - are WELL within reason. Some of the changes coming into Uprising really should have been REVERSED instead of running with them for this long. Part of the problem is that someone at CCP got the idea that AAA games have to be "pretty" and fancy processing-intensive graphical effects are more important than consistency and framerate. EDIT: A group of programmers saying "we've tried to optimise it, and we couldn't do it" is very different from enough examples where similar things HAVE been done within the same restrictions (or worse) proving that it CAN be done if you approach the problem differently.
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 223	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:13:00 - [223] - Quote I am very interested in why you decided to NOT inform the Dust 514 community about CCP's intentions with respect to the direction of DUST/LEGION despite clear warning from the CSM and a dismal track record of NOT listening to your gaming community. I dumped ~$500 dollars into this game not counting a second PS3; as my girlfriend also plays. I don't regret it. I was happy to support CCP's vision for this game and I had confidence you could pull it off and would slowly develop this game on the PS3 then PS4. You guys couldn't get it done. Whatever. I'm equally confident you could have explained your difficulties and decision making process and we could all be disappointed together. Honestly, I don't care about this. I am also a PC gamer and I have two active EVE accounts that predate my involvement in the DUST closed Beta. So I am interested in how you guys conduct your business. I am deeply troubled by how you handled the ambush-nouncement. This is a fairly toxic but close community that have followed and supported your vision and also arranged DUST related charity events and have stepped up to get each others backs during real-life crisis. Why did you gouge them with your Aurum item sales and events all the way up to Fanfest? Why did you allowyour DUST 514- only supporters to spend their money on airfare, lodging, and event tickets with full knowledge that you were about to disappoint and disrespect them? I will note that many paid for your Fanfest stream as well. These are not great economic times for many. No doubt some of our forum folks here traded off other vacation plans to be at Fanfest[/i] (I did not attend Fanfest) Why do you seem so comfortable with this basic betrayal of trust and goodwill even after the large public backlash you've received? What is the CCP corporate culture like? Is there a standard of quality and conduct, an image that CCP is striving for or is concerned about? *** For illustration: I live in Seattle and I am a football(soccer) fan. In 2010 The Seattle Sounders played a curiously horrible game against LA. First some players apologized for the embarassing performance after the game. Within 24 hours the front office apologized to the fans and issued refunds to 32,000+ season ticket holders. Citing pride in their brand, and recognizing their supporters almost all of whom remained to the end of the game and cheered their team off the field. If I recall correctly; tickets at that time mostly ranged from around $45-$85 per game. In the press they said something like The execution wasn't good enough, the effort wasn't good enough...(and a few other items) Then they said The only thing that was good was our fans. (I'm paraphrasing). they now average ~45,000 fans per game. Despite, a few more missteps along the way. * I am not asking for a refund of any money I have given CCP. I've enjoyed the game much of the time I played it; I am fortunate that I have a bit more disposable income than I used to have. I am not lobbying for a refund to the entire player base. But it would be nice if you could identify a small segment of your fan base (such as some of the DUST bunnies that dragged their butts to Fanbush 2014) and at least refund their tickets....do something! I can't get how poorly you've handled this whole thing out of my head and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. So whether your trying to develop your corporate image or not...your actions are having an effect. I apologize for the length of this. P.S. And now that I've painted a blue and green target on my back Portland Timbers fans can bite-me. (look at the league table!) Also, showers should be daily, it's OK to shave, and you should brush your teeth at least a couple times per day. Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur**
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 29	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:21:00 - [224] - Quote What about player's market? What about "dust 2.0"?! What about better integration with EVE? What about new pilot suits or heavy and light ships? What about amarr or minmatar tanks or lav's? What about mechs or new game modes? The list goes on and on. The announcement of a new game to potentially move the only console game of CCP to a PC only game is bothersome! It takes forever for a new meaningful update to hit Dust514 and legion is going to move those much needed resources away. The only way to see a positive light in all this, is: if legion is going to combine dust/valkery/EVE into one game on ps4 to have seamless space to ground combat. Right now, all we're getting is #skypie with an infamous "coming soon TM." The only reason I chose to keep playing this incomplete game is for the potential of everything I'm doing is going to go on forever instead of restarting annually.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:35:00 - [225] - Quote CCP USED OUR COMMUNITY CCP TOOK OUR MONEY CCP NEVER FULFILLED THEIR PROMISES TO US CCP OUTSOURCED DUST 514 FOR ITS CONVERSION ON PC CCP CHANGED NEW CONVERSION NAME JUST FOR LEGAL REASONS CCP LIED ABOUT DIFFERENCES OF BOTH GAMES CCP TOOK AND IMPLEMENTED OUR IDEAS IN TO THE NEW CONVERSION CCP USED OUR COMMUNITY, OUR PLAYERBASE LIKE GUINEA PIGS CCP LEFT DUST 514 PLAYERBASE, OUR COMMUNITY TO ROT HERE WITHOUT ANY WORD DEAR CCP YOU SCREW IT HOMONGOUS THIS TIME "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5258	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:44:00 - [226] - Quote Ducttape Tinker wrote: OUTSOURCED Hmmmm...
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:45:00 - [227] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: This is a fairly toxic but close community that have followed and supported your vision and also arranged DUST related charity events and have stepped up to get each others backs during real-life crisis. For the most part, I like you post, its constructive. But have you though about the fact that hindsight is always 20/20? I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did, precisely because this community is so toxic. Don't get me wrong, the toxic atmosphere its not only player's fault. I mean that up to this point both sides had a difficult road full of disappointments, but especially the players seem too burned out to try for a more civil tone. And the idea of reimbursing for the fanfest trip? I mean if you are going to travel all the way to Iceland you better have more then a keynote or two as your main attraction. One usually goes for such gatherings for social interaction and preferably with a bunch of good friends.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 145	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:49:00 - [228] - Quote Bumpity bump I mean, I don't want to say "I told you so", but... ;) Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 286	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:50:00 - [229] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. (applicable skills/inventory? umm...how about all of our earned sp/isk and bpos or the equivalence on legion. No way did I put up with all those horrible ***** builds , bugs, glitches, poor matching-making, and this list is the never ending story.. to have to start from scratch and suffer again.) 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. (soonTM) 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. (moving it to ps4 early would be a mistake, as you said it should developed further, tested, and re-tested again, before people have to subscribe to psn to play. But of course you know nothing about testing new code before implementing it.) 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. (You will not get another dollar of mine) Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge 1) What of our Blueprinted Items? 2) What if one of our skills aren't mirrored to legion? You say our applicable skills? Why not just liquidate our total SP, then convert it into the equivalence of legion sP? 3)What of our stats? Our total kills, kill-death-ratio, and etc? 4)Will pvp action radically change in Legion? 5)You mention collecting loot.....is there anymore to it than just running around clicking? Can we expect space-age dungeons (ship wrecks would be great for this), Insanely hard boss fights, or will it just be another farmville? 6)Will the player-corporation-alliance experience be better? Is there more things that we will be able to do as a team, and community, that will benefit our corporation/alliance, other than pc? Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.**
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 57	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:53:00 - [230] - Quote No. Just no. (no emote for shakin my head) Pc people, you love your pc good for you. Playstation players enjoy playing on our playstations and i don't care what you quote about specs because i'm yet to see a single pc game that actually is better than a console game, thay might have higher end specs but you'll never get to see them as you're pc won't be top end unless you upgrade every year or so. Most won't you'll be playing a game that can look great but you'll have it set to a low performance. Ps4 is quite capable, ccp is not. Now i'm not saying it's gonna fail on p.c, but my feedback is this I play on my playstation 3 and 4, i use ps+. I've been a ps user since ps1. I don't like pc gaming, (although total war is good) I do think legion will be good. But i know i won't be on it. Give me a ps4 game and i'm there. Stay on pc only, then i wish you luck, thank you for dust 514, and say i hope you do better for your pc guys.

Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 12	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:59:00 - [231] - Quote So where the fk are the answers to our concerns?! BS!!
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 225	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:00:00 - [232] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: This is a fairly toxic but close community that have followed and supported your vision and also arranged DUST related charity events and have stepped up to get each others backs during real-life crisis. For the most part, I like you post, its constructive. But have you though about the fact that hindsight is always 20/20? I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did, precisely because this community is so toxic.. There will always be dissent and opposition to change. How people react to change is not the responsibility of CCP. I do not expect or particularly care about the community's response. My point was: There was a much better way and a much better time to disseminate this information. From a community relations perspective I can't see how they could have handled this any worse. It's not about the reaction. It's about how CCP treats their supporters. Quote: And the idea of reimbursing for the fanfest trip? I mean if you are going to travel all the way to Iceland you better have more then a keynote or two as your main attraction. One usually goes for such gatherings for social interaction and preferably with a bunch of good friends. I was actually referring to the Fanfest tickets; however, airfare or hotel charges, Invites to the earliest Legion testing; -whatever. I don't care. -Just a meaningful gesture on the part of CCP is what I would hope for from a company that expects to keep my business. *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur*
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:04:00 - [233] - Quote my only question is do you have the specific (Or guestimated) minimum PC specs that will be required to play Project Legion?
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:05:00 - [234] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Please do NOT let the rage deter you from making Legion. Legion is a GOOD idea. You just failed spectacularly at ANNOUNCING that idea, that's all. Please, for the Love of New Eden, do NOT let this project die before it even gets off the ground. LONG LIVE LEGION! Nope NEVER DAMAGE WAS DONE AND NOW ITS TIME FOR PAY CCP SCREW IT BIG TIME RIGHT NOW Like f/c/u/k all community, lied to us, take our money and put it on project for pc. Like really after all that promises?! NEVER AGAIN BOYO NEVER AGAIN!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4245	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:07:00 - [235] - Quote So you're abandoning major development of Dust in favour of a project that may not even come to fruition!? Sure, why the f*ck not?
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:17:00 - [236] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So you're abandoning major development of Dust in favor of a project that may not even come to fruition!? I think i can answer that. it was stated that "IF" the OK is giving to proceed with Project Legion dust will not get much further development if not any which is understandable seeing as Project Legion will be what dust could have been if it wasn't limited by the Ps3. but until the OK is given "IF" it even is given the ok DUST514 will continue to be worked on and improved.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1295	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:20:00 - [237] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. Pointing out the obvious First Off this was the smoking gun of the whole presentation and should have been said there. You would, not have only avoided the whole sht storm that the Legion Keynote* created but, would have created a whole lot of excitement for the product. This product could have also been, if legally possible, sold as an upgrade to the DUST universe making it something the dust community could look forward to instead of dreading it's existence knowing the game they love is going to be replaced by it. Feedback Apart from that, There is a key word in the above statement that I do not think the community will be happy with. Applicable should not only be skillpoints attributed to the transferred character. The applicable skills should be put directly into the skill tree and any other skillpoints left over should be put into the the SP POOL for the player to distribute as he sees fit A.K.A. "redistributable" Removal of learning skills in EvE online Quote: ALL LEARNING SKILLS WILL DISAPPEAR We're not kidding. In your head, in your hangar or in your anything else, they're gone. Vamoosh. Deleted. Sent to the big recycle bin in the sky. Etc etc. All skillpoints invested in learning skills will be reimbursed, including all the fiddly corner cases. If you have 2,012,692 SP in learning, you will find yourself down those skills, but with 2,012,692 skillpoints to redistribute. Reasoning behind the feedback By only passing the applicable skillpoints there is a possibility that a character that has 40 million skillpoints only be allotted 20 to the applicable skills while a character with 20 million skillpoints might have the whole 20 million transfered to the new character. This scenario would not only be unfair but arbitrary. It can also be exploitable by players with insight, read CPM and their friends, that can train in advanced for this change with huge benefits. CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Feedback I understand that the words underlined are key to this statement. If the brunt of the workforce is dedicated towards legion, Dust 514 will not get the attention it needs to survive the time it has left. The game still has some balancing issues that should be addressed and can be addressed swiftly before continuing since most of them are number crunching and balance issues that have nothing to do with writing large extents of code. This is as simple as listening to the community and making the damage/distance/accuracy changes in SMALL PERCENTAGES ( read 3% or 5% per pass ). Apart from this dust is in a good place. THE OBVIOUS [u]The one thing I will never forgive CCP for is not fixing my plasma cannon at least a Month before the server closes[u] CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. I believe that making Legion for consoles would have a detrimental effect towards its development. Not only does a lot of constraints come into play; take dust as an example but , it also creates a time consuming activity which is finding how to make the game work all over again without any gain in actual content. that being said I have heard, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, that PS4 and the XBOX One's architecture is a lot more like a pc than those of previous consoles. CCP Rouge wrote: 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Last but not least; while I was initially very mad, I am slowly coming into acceptance of this news. But i would also like to pose a warning to CCP. If the reason behind developing legion is because Dust cannot fulfill the vision you guys had in mind, it is in CCPS best interest to make this product available as soon as possible. This will not only achieve better feedback but will get balance issues and bugs detected . I would even go as far as to suggest an Alpha version and early access for dust players Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5259	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:22:00 - [238] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: This is a fairly toxic but close community that have followed and supported your vision and also arranged DUST related charity events and have stepped up to get each others backs during real-life crisis. For the most part, I like you post, its constructive. But have you thought about the fact that hindsight is always 20/20? I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did or said, precisely because this community is so toxic. Don't get me wrong, the toxic atmosphere its not only player's fault. I mean that up to this point both sides had a difficult road full of disappointments, but especially the players seem too burned out to try for a more constructive or at least civil tone. How to handle the plan to move to a new platform for DUST (while renaming it "Legion") correctly: 1. Make decision to start work on new project. 2. Begin project with a SMALL team splintered from the original DUST team. 3. IMMEDIATELY advise your playerbase that the next-gen version of the game is in the works, and if the plan already involves a focus on a PC version, TELL THEM THAT IMMEDIATELY TOO. 4. KEEP SUPPORTING DUST WITH NEW CONTENT FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM while the smaller group is developing the new game. 5. Make it as gradual and smooth a transition from DUST to Legion as possible, preferably with some overlap in activity and playerbase if at all possible. How NOT to handle it: 1. Make the decision. 2. Divert the majority of resources to the new project. 3. AVOID telling the players, and ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE THEM to support the product you're abandoning by advertising it as still having the planned future you no longer have any intention of providing. 4. Finally let players know, MONTHS INTO DEVELOPMENT, that you stopped working on content for the game properly a while back, and are now heavily invested in the creation of a new product that will be getting the resources they gave you to work on what they're already playing, and which will also be the only way they can see the content you promised to deliver in the game you're no longer working on. 5. After receiving what should be a thoroughly unsurprising amount of backlash due to the complete incompetence of your PR process, concede that maybe you'll do some of the basic maintenance type work that's already several months overdue on your previous project, and try to reassure players with a plan to maybe transfer over some of their content from the abandoned game if it's convenient for you. See the difference? One will enrage even a relatively calm, polite and friendly community. The other will at least mitigate problems with the kind of toxic community CCP intentionally cater for (don't believe they're doing it on purpose? Think again).
Pr0phetzReck0ning KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 224	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:23:00 - [239] - Quote And yet not a Single update was made on Dust 514 on PS3......Nothing nada jilch... So as of right NOW we have NOTHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO!!!
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 569	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:24:00 - [240] - Quote Davy Headhunter wrote: From what i have seen on fanfest EVE LEGION is way more than a protoype, the game is in a much better shape than dust is right now, the skill progression is much more consistent, game play is better, item balancing is better. So basicly, if you call Legion a prototype what dust is?? Please, DONT HOLD LEGION FOR AGES, release as soon as possible, not as a beta, as a full game, even if it only have one map!! we cannot give you feedback if we do not play it! Launch it as soon as possible PLEASE! Huh? Did you watch something different to the rest of the us? Where was the actual fighting? It was just a pretty landscape, nothing more. LOL, releasing ASAP is a mistake, that's exactly what they did with DUST 514 and look how that's ended. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 600	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:24:00 - [241] - Quote Given that the same design studio that created Dust is doing Legion how do we have any assurance that Legion will not be just as big a disaster as Dust. The Shanghai team honestly seem to believe they know what they are doing yet we see a constant stream of horrendous game design decisions constantly appearing from this team. They have no concept of FPS basics like map design or combined arms balance. At this point how can you convince me these lunatics are not just making Dust HD.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 569	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:25:00 - [242] - Quote For all who say "let's move to Destiny" (or PS2), please..... those games are weak as fk! I'll be going to The Division once it's released, and hopefully a new MGO. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:27:00 - [243] - Quote There is nothing, just NOTHING. All of that bshates are just PR stuff after that article in polygon and fire here. They just made false hope for something better, but only like tool for crowd control. LADS DONT BE BLIND, THEY MADE IT IN EVE, THEY MADE IT FEW TIMES IN DUST514, THEY WILL MADE IT AGAIN. DO NOT TRUST CCP!! "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 670	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:30:00 - [244] - Quote I'll be honest, I really dislike the idea of having any assets transfer over into Legion. If the plan is to have access to a player market from the very start of the game then the influx of ISK from players who've owned districts up until this point could seriously destabilize the economy. DNS as an alliance gets 1.9b ISK everyday ... yeah. Items wouldn't work for the very same reason because a person could easily stock up on any number of modules and ship them over. So, though I would prefer everyone starting on an even playing ground with both SP and Assets, if you're still planning to go with character transfers then Assets have to be absolutely left out of the picture ... or otherwise be made untradeable on the marketplace. I urge CCP to think about the end game here, we're going to eventually want a completely unified marketplace between EVE, Valkyrie, and Legion and we should limit any potentially destabilizing aspects from the outset. I think it goes without saying that BPOs need to be excluded from any asset transfer as well. Saga v. Methana Balance
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 411	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:33:00 - [245] - Quote Specifically addressing the second point/question answered by Rouge, perhaps more of a suggestion than a question, but if you're working on Legion, why not use the work from that to implement some new things into Dust? Legion is obviously the more advanced game, sporting better graphics and much more detailed environment, but without having to look very deep, it's Dust, through and through. The tech demon could easily be recognized as Dust by anyone who has played the game, even the map shown was pulled straight from Dust and improved upon, so here's my point. Why not use some of the things, perhaps new vehicles and weapons and such, and bring them to Dust? Perhaps even new maps. I don't know if this counts as *major* updates, but if one game is a more polished version of the other, why not use the work done on one to improve the other? This could be used to continue testing and balancing vehicles and weapons in Dust so that when Legion drops, it will be polished and less work will need to be done to fix certain issues such as weapons behind overpowered, plus it would give the Dust players something to continue enjoy, even more so for those who don't have a PC. I certainly hope this game comes to the PS4 as well in time and that such an introduction isn't delayed too greatly. I might be annoyed by what has been done in this case, but I still have an interest in the game and would like to enjoy it further in the future. I don't however enjoy it enough to buy a PC, and thus I look forward to seeing it on that shiny black new console of Sony's. Also, it has been asked, but could any information be given on the business model? Will it be a subscription fee, free to play, or perhaps the usual $60's that most new games run for? I'd personally love to see a mix of purchase price and the current free to play model, subscription fees aren't exactly appealing to a lot of console gamers, myself included. Thanks for your time. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 182	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:42:00 - [246] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: For all who say "let's move to Destiny" (or PS2), please..... those games are weak as fk! I'll be going to The Division once it's released, and hopefully a new MGO. While I agree with you about The Division and PS2 and look forward to the promised MGO, perhaps you should reevaluate Destiny. Agrios Endendros Heavy Haruko Endendros AV Com & Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Scout
JonnyAugust Imperfects Negative-Feedback 333	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:46:00 - [247] - Quote As a long time console FPS player and having been here since the release of the pre-fanfest build 2 years ago I have to say that after much consideration this is a welcome change. For many years I watched this game painfully never take any real positive steps toward becoming anything competitive in todays FPS market. I watched a group of 50 people that greatly anticipate this game become bitterly resentful of the complete let down even before the beta officially ended. This game had so far to go in terms of being even a playable FPS that didn't rival quake 2 mechanics that it was obvious that goal would never be realized. I check in every once in a while to see whatever "new" gun CCP decides to add as part of an expansion when the root of what makes Dust an unplayed game was never addressed. After much consideration I must say that I am glad that this game will now at least have the platform and cabilities to develop into something the developers dream of. Asking for PvE, Mechs, in-game economy, shooting back at eve ships were so unrealistically far off that it's ridiculous to still talk like it was only an expansion away if only CCP focused on it. It was never going to happen on PS3. The core, the bones, the blood and guts of this game on PS3 were rancid. No amount of skins, or racial dropsuits, or quake-esque FPS gameplay mechanics would never make this into a game ten's of thousands of players would actually want to play. The community here is comprises of a couple of thousand players that weren't enough to keep this game alive. To me its quite obvious that the hardcore population of dust that currently plays is not realized dream of CCPs ambition. They enjoy your money I'm sure although I would wager its not enough to even pay for Shanghai salaries. Dust514 on PS3 failed and switching to PC is indeed the right course of action in my opinion. I am glad Rouge addressed the character transfer. I would be raging like a lot of people if I knew my efforts with testing this pre-alpha game were a complete waste of time and money. I hope Legion comes to fruition but I won't be giving any more money to CCP until I see something that looks like it has potential to be a sustainable and fun to play. P.S. the amount of micro transactions is insulting.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 569	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:48:00 - [248] - Quote Agrios Endendros wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: For all who say "let's move to Destiny" (or PS2), please..... those games are weak as fk! I'll be going to The Division once it's released, and hopefully a new MGO. While I agree with you about The Division and PS2 and look forward to the promised MGO, perhaps you should reevaluate Destiny. I keep wanting to like it, I just can't ...it looks weak and I can't endorse it whatsoever. I need more of a military shooter, not a sci-fi shooter. If DUST is off the cards, then it's Tom Clancy all the way. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:51:00 - [249] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Agrios Endendros wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: For all who say "let's move to Destiny" (or PS2), please..... those games are weak as fk! I'll be going to The Division once it's released, and hopefully a new MGO. While I agree with you about The Division and PS2 and look forward to the promised MGO, perhaps you should reevaluate Destiny. I keep wanting to like it, I just can't ...it looks weak and I can't endorse it whatsoever. I need more of a military shooter, not a sci-fi shooter. If DUST is off the cards, then it's Tom Clancy all the way. There will be another UT aswell but for Tomie Clanc i will be everytime boyo. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Jace Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:54:00 - [250] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Ban me till your blue in the face CCP - you took my money and data and gave it away without giving me a way to follow. How is that not THE MOST SCUM THING A GAMING COMPANY CAN DO?? Respond to me instead of banning me. You don't ** into a crowd and expect them to smile at you with good response. Answer me - I have been a loyal follower of dust for 2 ***** years and you're now pissing all over me AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION TO THOSE YOUR SCREWING. I have over 50 PSN's and I will be god damn heard. WE ARE LEGION Don't tell anyone, but I'm secretly a Ghost

unsoughtpanic15 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:03:00 - [251] - Quote ccp is brilliant in keeping their true ideas hidden. Only good thing is dust won't go down till 2015, until then everyone is just testers for legion. Hopefully ccp will get it right after 4 years of feedback and like many on here i'm not spending anymore money for just a testing game.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5261	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:07:00 - [252] - Quote I have another big question. If DUST has been abandoned for Legion, but Legion isn't certain of even existing... ...will DUST get revived with maybe a DUST 2.0 reboot if Legion is tanked? Or is it scrapped, full stop, no going back? What I would really want to happen is for Legion to happen. PS4 preferably, since that was part of what we had always been led to believe would happen, but I'm not TOO upset with the idea of it moving to PC. But I DON'T want it to be "scrap DUST, leave it running on its own servers with just patches, release Legion as a separate game". I want to see Legion's development INTEGRATED with DUST. Make it a gradual shift. Use the assets being developed for Legion to expand DUST over the next maybe 2 years. DON'T rush to release Legion in a year's time and cut DUST out of the picture. Almost everyone here has been through almost a reboot with Uprising anyway. It was a MASSIVE deviation from what DUST had been prior - and not all the changes were improvements. We're still here. We can take a few disappointments if we can see that they're leading in the right direction. EVEN if one of those disappointments is the (eventual) discontinuation of our VERSION of the game for a new, better version on the next platform(s) you want to support. If CCP continues to support DUST, instead of trying to pretend that the patches and cleanup jobs they SHOULD have done months ago while they were working on Legion are "support", then so will I. If they provide new content, EVEN if it's more limited or coming out slower because it's coming indirectly via Legion, I'll play with and against the new toys and give honest feedback on them. If there's a GRADUAL shift in focus from the current game to the "reboot", I'll be on board all the way. If DUST is left as-is, with only the long-overdue bug fixes and balance "improvements" (hopefully ones which actually improve the game, but knowing CCP, good luck), then... Well, good luck with that. I might - MIGHT consider downloading a free client. Maybe. But I can guarantee that I will be spending a grand total of precisely NOTHING AT ALL on the game EVER, and I'm unlikely to play it regularly even if it's good. Additionally, in the rare playtime I do have, I'll be advertising the reasons WHY I'm not playing it much to those people who are interested. In the past, I've been very good at convincing players to part with money for products I like and am willing to support, and I've ALSO been very good at convincing people to NOT spend money on supporting companies I've seen behaving in an unethical manner. As has already been said, in this thread and elsewhere, you reap what you sow. If you upset paying customers, you might still see them PLAYING, but they won't be PAYING any more.
unsoughtpanic15 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:09:00 - [253] - Quote Crimson more than likely Legion will be like Eve free trail then after pay to play with the option of making isk to pay for your monthly subscription. that is the most logical way for people to want to play game and ccp will introduce more updates su Gogh as you mentioned, that is why ccp stated it is only a "project". until they have a good amount of feedback then legion will be deployed and dust left in the dust.
Cyncia Gaess Die Valkyrja Dirt Nap Squad. 88	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:13:00 - [254] - Quote You should tell us about this in the second day keynote, so everyone will felt happy and wait for your legion. Be smart. Die Valkyrja CEO / pâ¦péípâ½pé¡pâÑpâ¬péó t+ÅFúü / sÑ¦µ¡ªtÑP Tªûs+¡µëºFíîs«ÿ / tºüpü»tî½püîsñºsÑ+püìpâïpâúpâ+n+ü
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 13877	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:17:00 - [255] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: I have over 50 PSN's I'm embarrassed for you LONG LIVE LEGION!
Pliny Eldritch SCIENCE FOR LIFE Galactic Skyfleet Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:33:00 - [256] - Quote This... This is just stupid. It's not like this is the first time a change in course from CCP has caused rage and drama, and it sure as &$^% won't be the last. What's sad is that it could have been different this time. As a community, we're all on the same page with CCP about what Dust is lacking. Many of us also agree that the PS3 has started it's long slow slide to oblivion, and that investing massive resources into it is a waste. You could also probably get most of us to admit that the current Dust player base isn't big enough to justify serious ongoing investment. Where things have gone wrong is CCP falling for one of the oldest logical fallacies in Software Engineering. When dealing with a large project that is not working, with no obvious or easy fixes, the answer that always feels easiest is to tear it down and start over. It's also almost always the wrong answer. Dust is broken. But it's still making money. People are playing it, and they're still paying to play it. CCP should take a page from Square Enix's successful reboot of FFXIV. For those unfamiliar, there are some real parallels between the first FFXIV's failure and Dust's current situation. Instead of trying to keep Dust limping along on PS3 while trying to develop an entirely new game on PC, CCP should strongly consider putting Dust on life support now. Keep a couple of devs for critical balance and bug fixes, and give the community some tasty discounts to keep them paying and playing. Use the freed-up devs to expedite a port of the then feature-frozen Dust from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4. Build for both PC and PS4 (as well as the XBone if MS is willing to play ball) simultaneously. It will take longer on the QA end, but if Epic has done their job properly with UE 4, the same code should run on both platforms. Doing both at once makes the Console/PC decision much less expensive in both money and time than porting later. Resist the temptation to do anything but get Dust running on the new systems. Once Dust is playable on PS4 and PC, give PS3 Dust a Matrix Online style send-off. Instead of making people worry about their investments of time and Aurum and how they might transfer into a new game, make the PC and PS4 ports use the same character data. Then start refactoring in all the Project Legion goodness, respeccing and resetting as needed - just like EVE's evolution.
mollerz 3427	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:39:00 - [257] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I think it goes without saying that BPOs need to be excluded from any asset transfer as well. Well, lots of us paid for those BPOs (Dren, dragonflies, etc) based on their promises. Try and figure that out. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
freaky the snowman sNk Syndicate 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:50:00 - [258] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Is it true that Dust 514 is being deleted?
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 11	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:55:00 - [259] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did or said Ya lol, but I love how they faked surprise after, that's right out of the EA handbook! Awesome! "What? You guys are upset? But we put so much effort into hyping fanfest that we thought you guys would be fooled into thinking we were giving you something instead of taking it away. Quit being so entitled." And now the silent treatment until we all shut up and then everybody pretends it didn't happen. Also out of the EA handbook. You do know CCP, that just emulating EA's decisions won't automatically make you as rich as them, right? I do expect them to respond with something along the lines of "deal with it" and "here have a battlepack you big baby", but hey I've overestimated them before, so not sure what to put my money on. Does anybody else feel like they found poo in their cereal box instead of a toy? Surprise!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5264	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:07:00 - [260] - Quote mollerz wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: I think it goes without saying that BPOs need to be excluded from any asset transfer as well. Well, lots of us paid for those BPOs (Dren, dragonflies, etc) based on their promises. Try and figure that out. What ACTUALLY needs to happen is that DUST BPOs need to be converted into EVE-style BPOs so you can use them to produce BPCs, then manufacture the items instead of having BPO = infinite supply no cost forever lol.

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 902	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:07:00 - [261] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: ... 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. ... 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge In response to #2, you had a full team to work on Dust, failed miserably to attempt any new material over the course of the last year and now tell us that devs have been working on Legion for months, why should we believe you when you say that there is actual work going into the game? The full team couldn't even finish off the weapons, vehicles and dropsuits until 1.8 (vehicles? who knows when). Now with likely less than half a team working on it and a total of likely around 40 million dollars from Sony pissed away you expect to make it better with a small cadre of people? In response to #4, until you can say plan to have a computer with X specs to run the game on Y date no one here wants to hear about project legion and is still feeling jilted about not getting a DUST 514 keynote speech, don't laugh at us, some of us still believe in CCP (very few from what I can tell). You already have a whole forum section filled with the ideas of people who have been around since closed beta and you still don't understand what we think? Maybe Bungie can do a better job on Destiny (cross platform) than CCP. A Brave New Eden Forge a new destiny
Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 70	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:10:00 - [262] - Quote You came to console gamers for what? You already knew the restraints of ps3 probably gauged the strength ps4 Xbox 1 etc were we suppose to follow you back to the master race almighty PC for a promise of a game that you already knew could only work on there. To the gamers, if project legion becomes a reality best wishes it looks great =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖç
Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 13	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:11:00 - [263] - Quote Pliny Eldritch wrote: This... This is just stupid. It's not like this is the first time a change in course from CCP has caused rage and drama, and it sure as &$^% won't be the last. What's sad is that it could have been different this time. As a community, we're all on the same page with CCP about what Dust is lacking. Many of us also agree that the PS3 has started it's long slow slide to oblivion, and that investing massive resources into it is a waste. You could also probably get most of us to admit that the current Dust player base isn't big enough to justify serious ongoing investment. Where things have gone wrong is CCP falling for one of the oldest logical fallacies in Software Engineering. When dealing with a large project that is not working, with no obvious or easy fixes, the answer that always feels easiest is to tear it down and start over. It's also almost always the wrong answer. Dust is broken. But it's still making money. People are playing it, and they're still paying to play it. CCP should take a page from Square Enix's successful reboot of FFXIV. For those unfamiliar, there are some real parallels between the first FFXIV's failure and Dust's current situation. Instead of trying to keep Dust limping along on PS3 while trying to develop an entirely new game on PC, CCP should strongly consider putting Dust on life support now. Keep a couple of devs for critical balance and bug fixes, and give the community some tasty discounts to keep them paying and playing. Use the freed-up devs to expedite a port of the then feature-frozen Dust from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4. Build for both PC and PS4 (as well as the XBone if MS is willing to play ball) simultaneously. It will take longer on the QA end, but if Epic has done their job properly with UE 4, the same code should run on both platforms. Doing both at once makes the Console/PC decision much less expensive in both money and time than porting later. Resist the temptation to do anything but get Dust running on the new systems. Once Dust is playable on PS4 and PC, give PS3 Dust a Matrix Online style send-off. Instead of making people worry about their investments of time and Aurum and how they might transfer into a new game, make the PC and PS4 ports use the same character data. Then start refactoring in all the Project Legion goodness, respeccing and resetting as needed - just like EVE's evolution. ^ Sensible solution. CCP has no sense though, so yeah....
Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 13	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:12:00 - [264] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Kev Crow wrote: I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did or said Ya lol, but I love how they faked surprise after, that's right out of the EA handbook! Awesome! "What? You guys are upset? But we put so much effort into hyping fanfest that we thought you guys would be fooled into thinking we were giving you something instead of taking it away. Quit being so entitled." And now the silent treatment until we all shut up and then everybody pretends it didn't happen. Also out of the EA handbook. You do know CCP, that just emulating EA's decisions won't automatically make you as rich as them, right? I do expect them to respond with something along the lines of "deal with it" and "here have a battlepack you big baby", but hey I've overestimated them before, so not sure what to put my money on. LOL at your sig. and +1 to your post.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1212	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:15:00 - [265] - Quote Rouge, my feed back is ultimately positive but you missed a key element which your team as a whole needs to work on. My initial reaction to legion was shock, confusion, numbness, panic, excitement, dread and most of all fear about what was happening. The lead up to fan fest was a lot of excitement about dust 514 which, let's be honest, was about legion. Most players responded as I did because this was out of the blue and completely took us by surprise. There needs to be more communication from you guys, Dev blogs are great if they come out frequently with updates about where you are on the road map, or even points on the road map you have achieved. Sharing challenges you face would be nice, doesn't have to go too deep into detail but tell us you have hit a road block on X and that point Y on the road map is really being looked into to unblock X. Just talk to us! Be as casual as you can, you seem to have a good bearing on the vision of legion and that's great! If your more open with us we might find it easier to support you and give good feedback. As you said in your op let's get this conversation going, both parties must have dialogs for this to work The demo of legion is awesome, looks amazing, great ui, and awesome immersion! With features like pve, player market, and more sand (plus burning trees) Thank you for not leaving the core dust group in...well...the dust. Allowing us to bring over our characters and skills was one of two deal breakers for me and I'm very happy you addressed that first! The other is to keep it free to play! Now let me be the first to ask, will there be dropships in legion? If so then will it be comparable with a joy stick? If no, FOR DUSTS SAKE WHY?!!! After getting over the initial shock of the poor timing to release info on legion, I see its a potentially good move. Seriously though, learn from this, be more transperant with us.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 506	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:21:00 - [266] - Quote I cant believe that when in closed beta when we voiced our concerns about you guys using the Unreal engine the first place you continued to use it and stated it would be easier to port. I think Microsoft new your game wasnt ready and they washed there hands clean of your concept and SCEA just took pity on you or maybe dupes them as well. You told SCEA at E3 your plans to port to PS4 and they announced it. When Pretorian defended that there were 80 miliion PS3 in service you quieted the community by telling us you would continue to support this platform. When I and others knew SCEA would stop PSN support next year. We knew but you used your minions to lie. Pretorian knew then, when he was asked the question.The dev for this game has been slow because you guys always planned this.He had been working on this and dividing resources for how long ? But we know the answer. Why use console players as revenue to develope a PC game and then act like that 's ok. Why make all these public claims about being the first gaming company to dev a a cross platform game bringing console players into New Eden. To be apart that.an you failed at that btw . A chat box is not cross platform. I open another tab in my browser and can chat with someone while playing a game. The fact that we were never even on the same forums was a sign. I just dont understand the deception. Your main selling point of this game was that all DL future content was going to f2p and that your character would carry on. How delusional can you be that you think the PC version with a different name will be better than DUST? Do you really think that this game DUST 514/ Legion beta will actually be confused as being a different game which it is not . DUST has already been tried by those of us that enjoy the genre. It has already been rated by all the game magazines. Do you really think .deep down people will be fooled into thinking this is some other game? You are about to halve your peakk 2.5k player base and move to another platform. I also have alot of trouble wondering how in the hell someone from EA could fathom such an idea as only pushing a game on 1 platform. When BF3 was on all 3. Why limit yourselves? How in the ** did you get so lost ? Why are you going backwards? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1296	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:23:00 - [267] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. Pointing out the obvious First Off this was the smoking gun of the whole presentation and should have been said there. You would, not have only avoided the whole sht storm that the Legion Keynote* created but, would have created a whole lot of excitement for the product. This product could have also been, if legally possible, sold as an upgrade to the DUST universe making it something the dust community could look forward to instead of dreading it's existence knowing the game they love is going to be replaced by it. Feedback Apart from that, There is a key word in the above statement that I do not think the community will be happy with. Applicable should not only be skillpoints attributed to the transferred character. The applicable skills should be put directly into the skill tree and any other skillpoints left over should be put into the the SP POOL for the player to distribute as he sees fit A.K.A. "redistributable" Removal of learning skills in EvE online Quote: ALL LEARNING SKILLS WILL DISAPPEAR We're not kidding. In your head, in your hangar or in your anything else, they're gone. Vamoosh. Deleted. Sent to the big recycle bin in the sky. Etc etc. All skillpoints invested in learning skills will be reimbursed, including all the fiddly corner cases. If you have 2,012,692 SP in learning, you will find yourself down those skills, but with 2,012,692 skillpoints to redistribute. Reasoning behind the feedback By only passing the applicable skillpoints there is a possibility that a character that has 40 million skillpoints only be allotted 20 to the applicable skills while a character with 20 million skillpoints might have the whole 20 million transfered to the new character. This scenario would not only be unfair but arbitrary. It can also be exploitable by players with insight, read CPM and their friends, that can train in advanced for this change with huge benefits. CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Feedback I understand that the words underlined are key to this statement. If the brunt of the workforce is dedicated towards legion, Dust 514 will not get the attention it needs to survive the time it has left. The game still has some balancing issues that should be addressed and can be addressed swiftly before continuing since most of them are number crunching and balance issues that have nothing to do with writing large extents of code. This is as simple as listening to the community and making the damage/distance/accuracy changes in SMALL PERCENTAGES ( read 3% or 5% per pass ). Apart from this dust is in a good place. THE OBVIOUS The one thing I will never forgive CCP for is not fixing my plasma cannon at least a Month before the server closes CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. I believe that making Legion for consoles would have a detrimental effect towards its development. Not only does a lot of constraints come into play; take dust as an example but , it also creates a time consuming activity which is finding how to make the game work all over again without any gain in actual content. that being said I have heard, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, that PS4 and the XBOX One's architecture is a lot more like a pc than those of previous consoles. CCP Rouge wrote: 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Last but not least; while I was initially very mad, I am slowly coming into acceptance of this news. But i would also like to pose a warning to CCP. If the reason behind developing legion is because Dust cannot fulfill the vision you guys had in mind, it is in CCPS best interest to make this product available as soon as possible. This will not only achieve better feedback but will get balance issues and bugs detected . I would even go as far as to suggest an Alpha version and early access for dust players Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
lobo christy G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:26:00 - [268] - Quote So I Guess Dust is DEAD!
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 572	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:46:00 - [269] - Quote lobo christy wrote: So I Guess Dust is DEAD! Pretty much, unless you're happy with a mediocre lobby-shooter replacement. MAG - dead. SOCOM: Confrontation - dead. CoD & BF franchises - cash cows for the sheep. Gimme 'The Division' & 'MGO'!
lobo christy G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:50:00 - [270] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: lobo christy wrote: So I Guess Dust is DEAD! Pretty much, unless you're happy with a mediocre lobby-shooter replacement. So no more 10 year plan . The Ps3 Probably wont be around in 10 years

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5269	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:59:00 - [271] - Quote lobo christy wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: lobo christy wrote: So I Guess Dust is DEAD! Pretty much, unless you're happy with a mediocre lobby-shooter replacement. So no more 10 year plan . The Ps3 Probably wont be around in 10 years That would be a great comment if DUST hadn't been planned for a port to a new platform until Legion showed up to replace it instead.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 508	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:17:00 - [272] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: lobo christy wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: lobo christy wrote: So I Guess Dust is DEAD! Pretty much, unless you're happy with a mediocre lobby-shooter replacement. So no more 10 year plan . The Ps3 Probably wont be around in 10 years That would be a great comment if DUST hadn't been planned for a port to a new platform until Legion showed up to replace it instead. I remember in IRC everyone telling me they used Unrel because they were going to port it to all 3 platforms..... now they limit themselves. Everyone saying that PC would be a better platform http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hardware_Specs How much PC do I need to beat that ? What do you think that'll run me? For what I saw is a tree and some haze patched on to the same lobby shooter.... Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 7	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:20:00 - [273] - Quote Meric Voyer wrote: Illuminaughty-696 wrote: ....The anger and frustration is because CCP went out of their way to have an event to sell their origin packs, then essentially laughed all the way to the bank as they announced Legion. The inherent deception in that should be obvious.....
Darius Ashran Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:44:00 - [274] - Quote Page 14 and no dev reply's.... Rouge this is not the best example to be setting on the whole " i would like to answer some of your questions" front. If you cant do it you need to get another dev on it man. Its damage control time for that fail PR episode. And frankly saberwing screwed that up badly.
ROEG X BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 53	Posted - 2014.05.04 04:05:00 - [275] - Quote Dust 514 started on the PlayStation 3, it's only right to carry the game over to the PlayStation 4.
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of New Eden 523	Posted - 2014.05.04 04:39:00 - [276] - Quote too little too late. rouge wedding indeed. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:19:00 - [277] - Quote I have something on my mind on the point of migration. I have two Eve accounts which are both full with Characters that have more SP than my dust mercs. The proposal of using the same character in all three games has me wondering how that is going to be possible unless we have the option of merging Dust and Eve Characters together. I would not mind this but want this out there ahead of time. Is this being looked at so we don't get bit later?
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1630	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:35:00 - [278] - Quote LOL @ 14 pages and not a CCP response since OP. Enjoy your lip service boys You get nothing! Good day sir! PSN - ShallowGravez - Destiny here we come...
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 561	Posted - 2014.05.04 06:22:00 - [279] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Ok, first off kudos to the people in this thread who are at least trying to maintain some sense of decency and rationality in the discussion despite being angry about it all. The rest of you seriously need to stop and reevaluate yourselves before posting some of these messages. We all understand you're angry about this whole ordeal, but the way the majority of you are going about expressing yourselves with vulgarity, obscenities, insults, and just overall acting like a bunch of spoiled children is simply pathetic. No one is going to take your message seriously when you come off like some child who's throwing a temper tantrum. So please, if you're going to try and give feedback, please don't make it seem like the DUST community is filled with a bunch of angry ranting teenagers. That being said, thank you CCP Rouge for the clarifications. Many of us were not able to go to fanfest for the Q&A so any extra information you give us is highly appreciated. I am part of the small minority that is supporting what you're doing here. I will admit, the way you guys decided to handle it is questionable and people (mainly the console folk) are understandably angry about it. They view their characters as an investment they've made with both their time and money and now, to them, they believe that investment is simply going to vanish due to some inability to transfer over to playing on PC. You've made it clear that our characters will persist which alone is enough reason for me to continue playing DUST. I highly appreciate that CCP is at least trying to make the right moves here. DUST was always a great vision that never really lived up to its potential and most rational people will agree that it's just not feasible to actualize that vision on the PS3, nor was it ever. Now, the concerns about CCP pulling a "bait and switch" are highly valid for a lot of customers who aren't able to switch to PC and yet have devoted themselves to this game on the PS3. I believe this is something that should be addressed by you guys as well. Yes, you're a business and a business needs income to survive, but to suggest one thing and then pull the rug without notice is a bit sketchy. As for Legion, I'm glad CCP had decided that the only way to move forward is to start anew. Sometimes the only way to deal with a bad dog is to just put her down. DUST sort of became this beast that didn't really seem to be going anywhere. The technical restrictions put a lot of stress on developers in trying to give us awe-inspiring content while remaining within limitations. The move to PC will definitely alleviate a lot of those concerns which I'm glad about. My biggest issue with DUST has always been the absolutely horrible performance it has on the PS3. The move to PC will finally answer that, which I'm glad. My only question then is: what reason do we have to continue supporting DUST? It's clear with what you've given us that DUST has, like others have said, "one foot in the grave". Yes, you'll continue to "balance, tweak" but with no new promised content are we to just continue toiling in the same semi-broken game for the year or more it's going to take before we see Legion come to fruition? We begged and CCP promised to give us something tangible this Fanfest, something that they're actually working on and we'd see results from. Project Legion is in "very early testing" and considered just a "prototype" and what not. These are not things that we as players see as something that will be tangible to us in the near future. The few of us that remained playing this game had hopes that CCP would use Fanfest as a way to revitalize our interest in DUST. Project Legion looks great, sure, and I'm anxious to see it released, but it serves nothing in terms of maintaining my desire to support your company in the coming months/year. And this is coming from someone who was excited about Project Legion. DUST has become stale and boring, and to come out and promise me a new game that is still in "very early development" doesn't really give me a spark of hope for this game. Who's to say in the next year or however long it takes for Legion I won't just completely forget about DUST and move on to a new product. At that point, I'll already likely have vested interests in other products and may care very little for DUST. There's tons of new games coming out for PC that have been in development for a long time (e.g. Star Citizen) that are still in development and may very well surpass what you're going to be offering with Legion. All in all, you laid out a valid long-term plan but did absolutely nothing to address short-term concerns about the game we are currently playing. Bro they are abandoning the console players. Don't give me that ***** wall of text in a try to smooth things over. For me it's not about the money, trust me I have more than most. It's the ***** lies and al empty promises that what ppl are pissed about. So in other words STFU War never changes
The Loathing The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 314	Posted - 2014.05.04 06:35:00 - [280] - Quote Obviously there is a HUGE demand for sandbox experiences in this generation of gaming, as is the expectations of MMO elements. Obviously with the pending release of Star Citizen, Destiny, and other Space based combat MMOs CCP need to strike out with a heavy-hitting IP. But there is no other way to describe this but a 'turning of the back' on Dust 514. I myself am unaffected by this pending release as I moved on from Dust 514 a while ago, but when I heard of this new release I felt nothing but sorrow and anger for the Dusters who were more patient and faithful than I was and have spend vast fortunes on this game. They had complete faith that CCP would make Dust into a better game, not just make a better game. No matter how much Rouge assures that Dust 514 will still get all the attention on its current iteration it needs, this new IP will nothing but overshadow and finally eclipse Dust, making it an entire waste of money for those expendable items that were MEANT to contribute to Planetary Conquest dominance. You know what they call Dust Mercs, don't you? Chicken of the Console...

Astr0 Knot Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 07:19:00 - [281] - Quote So I am assuming this decision is because of the very limited resources available to the PS3. With the PC Project Legion has nearly limitless potential where as the PS3 version of Dust is not up to the task of what CCP is trying to deliver. Does this mean that Dust and Project Legion will have their own unique gaming experiences? Dust will probably remain having a player cap where as Legion won't. Legion will have vast planet/battleground customization where Dust couldn't. Should Dust be treated as more of a competitive skill based game where Legion is more of a resource commitment game? If Dust were to be balanced very well, especially between high and low end, that would be a great starting point. I'll post in the Features and Ideas Discussion a more coherent idea.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1039	Posted - 2014.05.04 07:44:00 - [282] - Quote i heard from a guy in eve redio that you couldare allowed to buy a PC with Aurum? is this true, if so then i guess that would nt be so bad for people who spent money into this game In Rust We Trust Vherokior Warrior My Honor is for the Republic
rafael tonka ii Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 08:10:00 - [283] - Quote Feck! Reading the tears has made me miss breakfast in the hotel, so now I need to go out and buy something to eat! P1ssed off at that because I'd paid for breakfast!!! I'm one of the large number of PC gaming Eve players who went out and paid for a PS3 purely so that I could play Dust from Beta and was hugely disappointed by the results. I've dipped in now and then ever since but it just doesn't hold my interest as it hasn't been able to deliver on what the dream was. The move to PC for Legion will be a welcome move on my behalf, I'll play eve in one window, legion in another and with luck have a fully fledged mechanism of interacting both ways. If not then I'll have 2 different games that I will more than likely continue to enjoy I their own right until they disappear, and everything will one day die off. I was a bit surprised at the way in which console only Dusties were basically swept aside after paying a lot of cash to go to Iceland, CCP should have made some announcements prior to fanfest that Dusts days were numbered and given these loyal fans the choice of going or not.... However what's done is done. The majority of the New Eden community is PC based and the majority of us will continue to play the games that evolve in that world. Yes, there will be the odd tear and rage quit, but that's just life. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time! Finally, to those of you quitting New Eden (Eve and/or Dust) - Can I have your stuffs?
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.05.04 08:33:00 - [284] - Quote @ Garret We can argue about whether they could do it on PS3 till the cows come home it seems, I have my expert friend programmers, ( have actually worked on a small dev project myself) you have yours... I guess my point is the one you made yourself: Garrett Blacknova wrote: There is a certain measure of what DUST wanted to be which simply can't happen on the PS3 Did CCP screw up? Of course. By doing so did they let down a lot of expectations of the console players. Sure. Should they bow down to the pressure and humbly continue developing PS3 because experts like you think they should. No. Should they listen to good advice, ( like the fact that CPM has warned them how this will go down with the community) No doubt. Should they continue to focus on their innovative vision without compromise even if it means that the road ahead requires some very unpopular decisions. Hell yeah! Thats how its always done if you want to succeed where no one else did. When George Lucas was making his first Star Wars films he alienated a lot of people, his studio - Fox was furious by the end, actors thought he didn't know what he was doing and it was all too weird. Right to the very end the project seemed doomed and yet, I can say today: May the 4th be with you :-) I don't claim to be an expert or presume to advise them how to deal with a difficult situations. What I understand is innovation and the predicament CCP is in while trying to reach their goals. I think that their chances are slim at best but in order succeeding they have to balance between alienating too many people and braking or bending some established patterns of behaviour. The simple fact is that their main customer base is PC players some of you lovingly refer to as EVE tards. DUST was built because EVE made CCP successful enough to consider such a project. But lets say that the worst case scenario occurs and the console development idea for DUST is totally dropped the PC players are their core customers and are the logical priority here. So yes, CCP is making a strategic retreat for the sake of their future plans. Retreats, even orderly once, have inevitable casualties. The best we can hope for is that the console marked is not totally abandoned and those of us who care about that should stick around to make sure it happens. Any other approach to this fiasco, justifiably or not, righteous or not is just entitlement.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 191	Posted - 2014.05.04 09:03:00 - [285] - Quote I am very pleased with any form of character migration. Sad that Dust is not gonna see new content, assumably. No more racial parity for Amarr and Min. What I would really care for is some sort of timeline. When do we can expect to get Legion? When is the Beta testing going to start? Could interested Dust players get closed Beta access as some sort of "thank you" for supporting the game up until now? Can we sign up to something like this beforehand and get news about it? The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2014.05.04 09:41:00 - [286] - Quote CCP Rouge you can go ** yourself. Let me go get you a spoon so you can eat the corn out of my ass you Icelandic fisherman ****.
Requin Toblat Glitched Connection 22	Posted - 2014.05.04 10:06:00 - [287] - Quote HUNK tm wrote: I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo. ...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them) Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore. CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%. - Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc.... If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me. Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais) This ! My experience of PC FPS's has generally been hackers screwing it up for everyone else.
Yan Darn Science For Death Final Resolution. 785	Posted - 2014.05.04 10:19:00 - [288] - Quote It still seems like CCP knew Dust would be born premature and die early. I'm still no clearer as to why we were led to believe all the things that are now for Legion were coming for Dust. Why was CPM advice about not waiting till Fanfest to annouce this ignored? I really, really hope this is is because of an incompetent PR and marketing team (that can just be sacked and replaced) who don't grasp the simple concept that while lying and misleading customers can make profits in the short term, that CCP isn't big or rich enough to be so shady so consistently. You need people to believe claims about Legion to invest in it. You've made claims before and people were daft enough to believe you. You know anytime claims about legion are made people will forever bring up the deception of Dust. Was it really worth developing such a bad PR situation with the PS community. Some PC/EVE player may be gloating, but many will still see the blatant attempt to deceive and swindle customers... Did you or did you not know at Uprising that Dust would only ever be a lobby shooter with a skill tree? The Ghost of Bravo
Stan Kattel Expert Intervention Caldari State 82	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:14:00 - [289] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge This is what I see here: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? When Project Legion will be released, DUST 514 players will be, already for a long time, left behind. All your character names, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression will be deleted for the sake of HDD space. We are still working on how to take you money before this happen, and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? Of course! Such a silly question! But we'll run few absolutely empty patches, just to make it look like we are doing something. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? I can assure you, that we don't want to see our game on consoles, simply because our target audience is annoying whiny cheating bastards, also known as "kids", and, let's be honest, we all know where to find them. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but... Who am I kidding?! Closed beta will start in a three months, open beta - six, and full release at next fanfest. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. Because surely we are listening what are you all saying. CCP Rouge But, if it's true, I have a few questions: Who's idea was to turn Dust 514 Keynote into "announcement" of the "another"(looking absolutelly the same) game for a different platform. I'm asking this because you must look at him/her an think wisely about why he/she did this, and what was his/her plan after all. Seriously, he/she may be a saboteur or a spy, because the only reaction to "announcement of game "A" for platform "a" instead of talking about game "B'" for platform "b" during the time that marked as "we'll tell you great news about game "B"", when lots of people craving to hear news about game "B"" from most of players of game "B" would be "F.U.G.". This is a stupidly-bad marketing, or a well planned undermining of the company's authority. Think about that. How you'll try to compete with all-known "giants of PC gaming", if your product(I mean Dust 514 since release date) is a copy of their's... And a bad one. And a few suggestions about "Project Legion": The main one. All character from Dust 514 MUST be automaticly transferred to Project Legion, if none of suggestions bellow become real. Release Project Legion on Xbox One and PS4(and PC, if you want your game to be full of cheaters) at the same time with fully working cross-play, and with one account for all platforms. This will drive SO MUCH attention to this game! Never, ever, ever, ever take another topic out of the topic-time at the FanFest without notice. PR-guys and CCP employee have much better things to do than help mods clean up CommunityRage! Do you have any idea how hard it will be to reverse that much dark magic?! :3 Playing Warframe, Killzone: SF and BF4 on PS4. Will play Destiny and Planetside 2. PSN ID: RusStarik
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 170	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [290] - Quote Now when the forums are "starting" to calm down from the chock (much thanks to your OP), I think it's time for some constructive feedback. I want to point out my biggest gripe with the current immersion of Dust 514, so we don't make the same mistake in Legion, the local chat. Yes, a minuscule point (of many) with Dust 514, but the fact that we never changed chat channel proved that ourself (and our assets) never actually left the room we were stuck in at "birth". Please make Legion the truly immersive experience I always wanted, where I feel that I actually move within the universe of New Eden. Also make sure that every game mechanic you invent to support the rapid clone jumping (including assets) are officially explained in lore. That is all. Looking forward to see a Dev blog on the subject.

Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:49:00 - [291] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: It's not about the reaction. It's about how CCP treats their supporters. Your post suggests that they (possibly?) couldn't forsee the outrage at how this all came to light. I suggest to you that as a corporation it's their responsibility to forsee it, and they did, and apparently they didn't care. Frankly, this one was a no-brainer -the CPM warned them. This didn't require any hindsight at all IMO. It's that much of a no-brainer. I tend to agree with you here, and from a PR point of view its a disaster. However personally, when my gaming expectations are let down I tend to react with less entitlement, and I bought a PS3 just to play this game. But when I see comments like: CCP just don't care, they did it by purpose, they have an ex-EA employee so now they will act like EA, they are liars and thieves, etc. I just can't help hearing the tantrums of my teenage son. I suppose that we all act like children when our expectations are let down, its only human. What I am suggesting is this: Even if they did anticipated the community reaction with some clever PR tactic aimed at softening the unpleasant truth it wouldn't prevent the backlash of the obviously disappointed console community. No matter what CCP did to communicate this change of direction, the burned out ( toxic) community would accuse them of all kinds of atrocities and could say: you should have done it better. Because, that is the truth, they should have done better from the start - still it is only hindsight at this point. In my business experience ( Pharmaceuticals vs Botanicals ), professional PR is more often then not designed to obscure the truth rather then serve it straight. PR is about the appearance of truth. So how many of you have met a CCP DEV? As DEVs go most of them are very genuine and ernest, sometimes almost to the point of naivet+¬ or idealism. They have a healthy dose of self-reflection and self-criticism. So yes, I would rather have a company that fumbles with their PR while being genuinely passionate about their product then some sort of professional corporation where form has overtaken substance. In fact the the decease of the modern gaming world, is all about form and delivery dates. Players have become incredibly spoiled and entitled while they consume content like greedy locust. Remaining loyal to CCP is hard work no doubts there. It requires a more mature approach to what represents true value in the long run. Its a bumpy road but ultimately more rewarding because with time it fosters true partnership instead of entitled dependency.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1504	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:56:00 - [292] - Quote Ann Brighton wrote: Please consider releasing native versions of EVE Legion for OS X and Linux too. As the Unreal Engine already supports these platforms, support shouldn't be that much overhead when considered that early in the development cycle. seriously i doubt ill transfer anyway as legion will be a ccp game and common we all know ccp. but if it were not even capable of running on linux..i wouldnt even cut it on to laugh and watch as it dies. A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
TheUltimateG TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:57:00 - [293] - Quote Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote: I'm glad that sp and everything else will transfer, but I won't be playing Legion when it comes out, consider this as one customer lost. Make that 2 customers lost....... If i wanted to play games on my PC i would never have bought a console. I'm not about to switch now. Way to take a big fat dump on the console players you sold this song and dance to.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:10:00 - [294] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: i heard from a guy in eve redio that you couldare allowed to buy a PC with Aurum? is this true, if so then i guess that would nt be so bad for people who spent money into this game
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 423	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:13:00 - [295] - Quote Dust is for the Console players!! PS4 and XBONE or bust cause I hate Aimbots. I want Dust to grow, but you need to go Multi platform. PS4 Xbone and PC. Things can be exclusive to different areas like maybe ship boarding can only be one console or the other and PC can have both. Get your @#$#@# together, Give us updates to the game you have on the ground now! Honestly, What you showed us is 1.8 assets in your original tech demo from 2009. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
OPNAV MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:33:00 - [296] - Quote ....The main issue here is that both management and developers at CCP are incredibly unreliable. One has ADHD the other is lazy and/or incompetent. Both make for a really bad business model. As a customer, why invest time and money in a company you know is not well organized, jumps from 1 idea to the next, and never commits to anything. Would you invest in their stock? I think not. There are plenty of competitors with their act together out there, cut your losses and find one.
The Noob Destroyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 684	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [297] - Quote OPNAV wrote: ....The main issue here is that both management and developers at CCP are incredibly unreliable. One has ADHD the other is lazy and/or incompetent. Both make for a really bad business model. As a customer, why invest time and money in a company you know is not well organized, jumps from 1 idea to the next, and never commits to anything. Would you invest in their stock? I think not. There are plenty of competitors with their act together out there, cut your losses and find one. devs suck
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 116	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:46:00 - [298] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. ^ not that CCP give a **** but I cant use pc interface due to physical limitations. Betrayal is the story of fanfest 2014
sektor 514 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:21:00 - [299] - Quote To saying dust / legion mmo Wouldn't work on consoles is a lie i do believe a mmo is out on the ps4 TES online where big battles happen on massive battlegrounds so big players can go exploring or doing missions i believe there has to be a players market i haven't played TES online as i Don't like sub fee basically ccp just wanted to exploit the console gamers for money make empty promises knowing dust/legion was going to be a pc game not bothered if real dust fans can continue with the journey of what this game should have been . If i could go back to pc gaming i would do both console wars pc wars is the most stupid terms ever i Don't care so long the game is good which to me dust was great the sense of loss when a clone died "great that a few K isk down the swany" or when you killed a proto clone the sense of " YEAHHHHH i'll put a few extra rounds in you to stop the bleed out and make sure you lose that clone I have said with rouge and ccp choice i feel discriminated i can only be honest on how i feel about it
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 8	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:32:00 - [300] - Quote L 0659 wrote: You think everything is ok because a bunch of geeks show up to your convention and applause when you fart, but real people, with half a brain, can see how you've taken peoples money, promised them the moon, then ran off to do it to the next batch of suckers.

IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 665	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:46:00 - [301] - Quote Throwing out the Phoenix will be a better title for this game. It rose from DUST. If DUST514 has to die for it to be reborn as EVE : LEGION I vote we rename it EVE: PHOENIX.
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 119	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:47:00 - [302] - Quote "cheaters on consoles" what the hell are you on about?
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2094	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [303] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Bro they are abandoning the console players. Don't give me that ***** wall of text in a try to smooth things over. For me it's not about the money, trust me I have more than most. It's the ***** lies and al empty promises that what ppl are pissed about. So in other words STFU Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter anymore. Abandoning the console players? After the display we've seen here, being in CCP's position, I would gladly rid myself of this horrid community too. DUST will rid itself of barely a few thousand (incessant, whiny) console players and in return gain tens of thousands of PC players. Any rational person would agree it's a smart move. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 665	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:20:00 - [304] - Quote Throwing out that there should be NPC mercs. Maybe the officer class that we see represented in our officer weapons. Maybe a race called The Fallen -Mercs that biomassed and didnt return (make their ai very tough) one last jibe at DUST bunnies err... Legionairres of the future. The above hould be implemented as an honor, not a slight. If DUST514 has to die for it to be reborn as project LEGION -I move we name it EVE: PHOENIX.
Rain0001 Team Evil 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:36:00 - [305] - Quote this is good news, any type of migration would make me happy. as character name duplication is not allowed I would like this and a couple other Rains to come with me. I would be sad if they were locked away in a defunct game forever. looking forward to the next evolution of the EVE universe! o/
noobsniper the 2nd Inner.Hell 503	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:37:00 - [306] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Oh and just so you know, I lost trust in CCP in the span of 30 minutes. The guy who spent 400+ dollars on DUST lost trust on it faster than it takes to deliever a pizza. GG Yup same here 300$, spent 33 mill sp for JACKSHIT thanks ccp here's some ear plugs your gunna need em Canadian, EH MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5284	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:38:00 - [307] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Should they bow down to the pressure and humbly continue developing PS3 because experts like you think they should. No. Should they listen to good advice, ( like the fact that CPM has warned them how this will go down with the community) No doubt yes. Should they continue to focus on their innovative vision without compromise even if it means that the road ahead requires some very unpopular decisions. Hell yeah! I actually whole-heartedly agree with this. If you go back and read what I've said, I SUPPORT the move to a new platform. I'd prefer it to be primarily PS4, since that was what we were being STRONGLY led to believe right up until the Legion announcement, but I'm fine with PC as well. The problems I have with the announcement are twofold: 1. The way the announcement was handled. This includes the fact that Legion isn't being promoted as a rebuild of DUST, but a new game to REPLACE it. It's primarily about the fact that this has been in development for a good amount of time already, but they actively pushed players to help them fund the development of the new game BY TELLING US WE WERE SUPPORTING DUST. We weren't, we were paying for Legion, which is an entirely separate project. 2. Most of the development team have been moved AWAY from developing DUST on PS3, and are creating Legion instead. We're basically on a skeleton crew while the new toy gets all the attention. DUST was meant to be a persistent, constantly-evolving world. It was MEANT to evolve with the technology we play it on. It WASN'T meant to be locked into a holding pattern while a sequel is built to take the reins. They should have kept a SIGNIFICANT part of the team working on DUST and developing new content, while the new team works on SLOWLY building the new game for the new platform. If possible, they should make a gradual transition plan to ease players from the PS3 version of DUST into the PC version. Having "Legion" as the new, updated build for DUST, but including some features the PS3 is simply not capable of (regardless of whether it's actually the limitations of the system itself or just CCP's dev team not being able to make it work), and saying "when you upgrade to the PC version, you'll have access to X, Y and Z as well!" would have been good. There is no reason - NONE. AT. ALL. - why the PS3 client shouldn't be able to have access to a player marketplace. There is no reason why the PS3 players can't have proper corp management tools. There is no reason why Planetary Conquest can't be expanded. There is no reason why the PS3 can't provide a solid PvE experience for its players. There are valid arguments against trying to increase the player count, particularly with the current state of Planetary Conquest. There are valid arguments against including free-roam across much larger maps than we have in DUST right now. There are valid arguments against giving us the full content that's been planned for the future of DUST, but is now being promised in Legion instead. The problem isn't that I don't accept CCP being ready to move on. The problem is HOW they're doing it. They're taking the wrong-est approach they possibly can and the way they let us know was even worse than what they're doing.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 665	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:41:00 - [308] - Quote Also want to know how they are going to keep the progression system from too much grinding. I am visualizing this as follows: The merc has a career path which continues through racial spec where they qualify for the proto level (or whatever qualifies as the highest level), then they cross train into a new spec and continue ad naseum. Seems like a lot of grinding. Will this be like career agents where you can still go loot or explore without finishing your profession skills? Will there be a different set of skills which can be learned by repetition in the sandbox? Imagine looting a drone. -Profession skills would give you better loot as the classroom tells you how its built and what to take, but -Exploration (Experience/ Trade) type skills would reduced the time needed or guarantee a certain thing. Akin to the passed on knowledge that the retaining ring on a specific drones left side is 1m3 of pure morphite. If DUST514 has to die for it to be reborn as project LEGION -I move we name it EVE: PHOENIX.
Shadow Vyper23 Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:42:00 - [309] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. CCP Rouge CCP Rogue I'd like to say thanks for trying to clear things up. I just wish you had a more mature community of console players. Moving this game to PC is the best decision possible and to be fair the game should never have been on PS3. As pretty much all of us Eve players said when you guys announced it. If you placate even 1/3 of the Eve Online player base this game will be many times more successful than Dust. I spent a couple hundred on Dust 514 but I feel I got my money's worth out of it. There's no point in complaining. I look forward to the future. Anyone that doesnt know the PS3 is extremely limiting to develop and MMO on. Ask Square Enix about FFXIV. Its crap compared to PS4 and PC. Just try not to make anymore decade long promises again and just keep it realistic and the community will be far more understanding.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5284	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:43:00 - [310] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Bro they are abandoning the console players. Don't give me that ***** wall of text in a try to smooth things over. For me it's not about the money, trust me I have more than most. It's the ***** lies and al empty promises that what ppl are pissed about. So in other words STFU Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter anymore. Abandoning the console players? After the display we've seen here, being in CCP's position, I would gladly rid myself of this horrid community too. DUST will rid itself of barely a few thousand (incessant, whiny) console players and in return gain tens of thousands of PC players. Any rational person would agree it's a smart move. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything. You know that when you have an average of 4,000 players online at the same time, that doesn't mean there are only about 4,000 players and they all leave their PS3s running with the game open 24/7, right? The playercount for DUST is easily in the tens of thousands range. "Gaining" tens of thousands of players when you're losing just as many won't mean much. If the game goes up f2p on Steam, it'll get HUNDREDS of thousands of "buyers", but many will barely touch it - if at all - and many more will get bored quickly and move on. The playerbase will likely be a similar size to what we have now in the long term. Especially if the support for Legion is as... uhhhh... "good" as what we've seen for DUST over the years, with wild swings from OP to junk for every item you can buy.

Unholy HateGore CALDARI ELITE ARMY IMMORTAL REGIME 5	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:51:00 - [311] - Quote Please bring it to PS4 at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unholy HateGore CALDARI ELITE ARMY IMMORTAL REGIME 5	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:52:00 - [312] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Bring it to PS4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIGER SHARK1501 The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 10	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:58:00 - [313] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Quote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. That sounds like something. The "applicable" does concern me though. So does that mean that I won't get SP transferred over I spent in say Commando Suits, if the commando suits are not in the Project Legion when it launches? Also the question of how BPOs would convert is very important. Some exclusive Dropsuits only for people having bought these BPOs in Dust would be nice. But if tha's a no can do I would like to see the Aurum I spent on these BPOs on my character in Legion. BPOs are the second biggest question during the transferring because this is stuff many of us spent hundreds of Gé¼ / $ / whatever on. I'll wait for what you have to announce. Until then I won't play Dust. And do us all a favor: Have answers like these ready the next time you decide to make a decision as severe as this one. Any idea of a transfer would have to include all inventory items including BPOs or its still falling short. I alone purchased the elite pack and another BPO suit because I planned on being in this game for the long haul. My Dren scout suit is as valued to me as my millions of SP that I like everyone else worked towards.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 148	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:07:00 - [314] - Quote I'm glad that you'll (apparently and hopefully) will transfer our progress to Legion. My question is: When Legion comes out and our characters and progress are transferred, what will happen to Dust?? Can you let us keep the same SP, ISK and skills we already have in THIS game and keep on playing just the same, aside from Legion? Thanks.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 667	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:40:00 - [315] - Quote ** you CCP. But admittedly GG on scamming us to pay for legion development, genius really you pricks.... Ohh noo! Im going to be banned from a forum that's telling their fan base of years to go ** themselves. Hope you bastards die of gonorrhea.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:52:00 - [316] - Quote @ Garrett. All valid points. And I agree especially with this: Garrett Blacknova wrote: 2. Most of the development team have been moved AWAY from developing DUST on PS3, and are creating Legion instead. We're basically on a skeleton crew while the new toy gets all the attention. DUST was meant to be a persistent, constantly-evolving world. It was MEANT to evolve with the technology we play it on. It WASN'T meant to be locked into a holding pattern while a sequel is built to take the reins. They should have kept a SIGNIFICANT part of the team working on DUST and developing new content, while the new team works on SLOWLY building the new game for the new platform. If possible, they should make a gradual transition plan to ease players from the PS3 version of DUST into the PC version. Having "Legion" as the new, updated build for DUST, but including some features the PS3 is simply not capable of (regardless of whether it's actually the limitations of the system itself or just CCP's dev team not being able to make it work), and saying "when you upgrade to the PC version, you'll have access to X, Y and Z as well!" would have been good. That is why I am trying to present an approach based on acceptance rather then hostility, aimed at moving forward. CCP needs to hear our constructive input so they don't blow it this time... The very last keynote, CCP presents, was very indicative of their new direction and what they meant by staying focused but I think there is definitely some space for a compromise that includes the existing console community.
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 245	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:13:00 - [317] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: @ Garrett. All valid points. And I agree especially with this: Garrett Blacknova wrote: 2. Most of the development team have been moved AWAY from developing DUST on PS3, and are creating Legion instead. We're basically on a skeleton crew while the new toy gets all the attention. DUST was meant to be a persistent, constantly-evolving world. It was MEANT to evolve with the technology we play it on. It WASN'T meant to be locked into a holding pattern while a sequel is built to take the reins. They should have kept a SIGNIFICANT part of the team working on DUST and developing new content, while the new team works on SLOWLY building the new game for the new platform. If possible, they should make a gradual transition plan to ease players from the PS3 version of DUST into the PC version. Having "Legion" as the new, updated build for DUST, but including some features the PS3 is simply not capable of (regardless of whether it's actually the limitations of the system itself or just CCP's dev team not being able to make it work), and saying "when you upgrade to the PC version, you'll have access to X, Y and Z as well!" would have been good. That is why I am trying to present an approach based on acceptance rather then hostility, aimed at moving forward. CCP needs to hear our constructive input so they don't blow it this time... The very last keynote, CCP presents, was very indicative of their new direction and what they meant by staying focused but I think there is definitely some space for a compromise that includes the existing console community. I have Bitter Vet to Proficiency V: Which allows me to: Accept the situation, AND Be excited about Legion on PC, AND Think CCP are a bunch of @#%^# ALL at the same time. CCP seems immune to constructive criticism. They do respond to unsubs though. *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur*
AAA Hellcab Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:13:00 - [318] - Quote First of all, thanks for unbanning me. I meant to click 'Ambush' instead of 'Post' consecutive flame mail :\| There is an article going around http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction talking about the player base ultimately deciding the viability of a game. I know Dust is being funded by Eve subscribers who the majority of PC fanboys won't pick up till it's on PC (although I sense the Dust servers abit more lively since the announcement of Project Legion :) ), but I and many others I love to hate, love it on PS3 too. Can we just make the PC Legionaires a bunch of dirty Amarrians and allow PS3 Dusties to attack them and salvage items? I'm kidding, but this has already evolved into a nice little fanboy war. The community already at play :). I've tried to dissuade people from leaving Dust (but they aren't really) because I assume Project Legion will take years to develop, so there's plenty of good times ahead. Just keep playing. Like the article says, a game only survives cos people play it. Try playing CoD Zombies from any of the earlier CoD games. There's nobody there. The free-to-pay-to-play mechanic is misleading in some games, but you are supporting Dust 1, whichever platform, the only one we want. If you can't afford to purchase stuff, just keep playing so payers, like me... When I can afford it, can come onto Live servers. Nothings worse than a dead server. I would love to fight for stations one day, but if project Legion doesn't succeed (but it's a definite, Sean from the article helped make the greatest game ever, Battlefield 1942), please keep Dust on the PS3 till we bleed it dry. We're all having fun. I know for Character Continuity though, that PC will be the safest, then you can port to other platforms. Nothing would be worse than moving to PS5 and having a 10 year Toon wiped 8\| Ps. How about ISK damage dealt contests when Legion first emerges. It'll be a great fanboy war :)
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:37:00 - [319] - Quote I just went through all the pages of this thread- did I miss something? I thought they said they created this thread to answer all of our questions, and in 24 hours they haven't responded to any of them... Man they've really screwed the pooch on this whole Dust/Legion thing.... Moo.
Leonid Tybalt 0uter.Heaven 520	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:50:00 - [320] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: CCP Rouge, answer me this: How are the promises on the features of Legion any different than the promises on the features of Dust last year or the year before? You think you can do on PC what you were not able to do on the PS3. I don't think the additional RAM is going to help you unscrew planetary conquest, have better map designers or become better at balancing the game. My personal take on everything I've heard from you, CCP Rouge, is lies. Intentional lies. I just have no idea for what purpose. Without spite this is my honest opinion. Does this help you understand the situation? I hope it does. Looking forward to your honest answer. The developers are already familiar with the hardware and design capabilities for PC as that's how EVE has been built. Its all native to them. The transition to a console platform requires much more work than simply pushing a button. I have faith that if eve can exist with it's complexity than so too can DUST be reborn with all the depth we expect. Then you're pretty naive. Just because you know how to code and program a glorified multiplayer point and click fest (I.e Eve online), it doesn't mean you have the skills or even a basic idea of squeezing out a complex first person shooter. Everything in Eve Online is pretty basic in terms of programmer and animation.

OPNAV MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:53:00 - [321] - Quote ....regarding CCP ethics, one only has to Google Iceland's role in WWII to understand the apathy gamers are so frustrated with today. It's cultural, socially ingrained, and passed down from their forefathers.
Deamonwrath21 DeathReign Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:57:00 - [322] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Bro they are abandoning the console players. Don't give me that ***** wall of text in a try to smooth things over. For me it's not about the money, trust me I have more than most. It's the ***** lies and al empty promises that what ppl are pissed about. So in other words STFU Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter anymore. Abandoning the console players? After the display we've seen here, being in CCP's position, I would gladly rid myself of this horrid community too. DUST will rid itself of barely a few thousand (incessant, whiny) console players and in return gain tens of thousands of PC players. Any rational person would agree it's a smart move. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything. Stfu you know nothing about dedicated console players, im sitting here typing on my pc equivalent ps4 now so theres no reason not to put on ps4
Deamonwrath21 DeathReign Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:01:00 - [323] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: CCP Rouge, answer me this: How are the promises on the features of Legion any different than the promises on the features of Dust last year or the year before? You think you can do on PC what you were not able to do on the PS3. I don't think the additional RAM is going to help you unscrew planetary conquest, have better map designers or become better at balancing the game. My personal take on everything I've heard from you, CCP Rouge, is lies. Intentional lies. I just have no idea for what purpose. Without spite this is my honest opinion. Does this help you understand the situation? I hope it does. Looking forward to your honest answer. The developers are already familiar with the hardware and design capabilities for PC as that's how EVE has been built. Its all native to them. The transition to a console platform requires much more work than simply pushing a button. I have faith that if eve can exist with it's complexity than so too can DUST be reborn with all the depth we expect. Then you're pretty naive. Just because you know how to code and program a glorified multiplayer point and click fest (I.e Eve online), it doesn't mean you have the skills or even a basic idea of squeezing out a complex first person shooter. Everything in Eve Online is pretty basic in terms of programmer and animation. True call of duty and battlefield dominate on consoles, and dust is better so move to ps4 and dominate call of duty and battlefield ccp if you know how to make a game or hide behind a pc like a bunch of pu,ssys
AAA Hellcab Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:14:00 - [324] - Quote Oh, CCP. Way to throw the old curve ball :) There are already a bunch of newcomers flocking to Dust to start training with all these cheap PS3's flying around. How could we doubt you?
Jordan Silva REAPERS REPUBLIC 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:41:00 - [325] - Quote Hey CCP keep an eye at a guy called: ContraBanJoe He formed some kind of riot
Brodun Kest 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:41:00 - [326] - Quote So I guess there will no possible offline singleplayer mode in Dust, because it is not worth anymore and CCP is going to concentrate on Legion more than on Dust. And I guess we can Forget the playermarket too. And again.....thanks for nothing than taking our Money CCP. OOooohhhh.....Project Legion..... Come on guys throw more Money in the mouths of CCP. Screw U
F54423 Lacuna. 62	Posted - 2014.05.04 18:19:00 - [327] - Quote "Finally, the PVE mode against drones will only be available on Project Legion; there will be no drone mode for Dust 514." This is for real? You guys ******* suck. http://themittani.com/news/fanfest-dust-514-progression
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1365	Posted - 2014.05.04 19:12:00 - [328] - Quote AAA Hellcab wrote: Oh, CCP. Way to throw the old curve ball :) There are already a bunch of newcomers flocking to Dust to start training with all these cheap PS3's flying around. How could we doubt you? Edit: Just re-reading this and I sound sarcastic, but there really seems to be more new players. Its entirely possible more new players are sticking around because so many of the vets with high SP have given up. Nos Nothi for Life
Nulldust Codex Troopers 12	Posted - 2014.05.04 19:31:00 - [329] - Quote CCP could show it appreciate this playerbase by making a stripped down version of Legion on PS3. It's good for keeping a playerbase and good for the CCP brand.
Pliny Eldritch SCIENCE FOR LIFE Galactic Skyfleet Empire 5	Posted - 2014.05.04 19:36:00 - [330] - Quote Nulldust wrote: CCP could show it appreciate this playerbase by making a stripped down version of Legion on PS3. It's good for keeping a playerbase and good for the CCP brand. They can't. They're using Unreal 4 to do all the FPS heavy lifting. It doesn't run on PS3. It does run on PS4, however.

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 766	Posted - 2014.05.04 19:41:00 - [331] - Quote Rouge... Will CCP be putting the things it took out of Dust back in before it goes on life support? The vehicles/modules that were already in but were taken out to be "balanced" is what i'm speaking of. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3063	Posted - 2014.05.04 19:45:00 - [332] - Quote Really should have been at least one reply by now, it's been a day. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5289	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:08:00 - [333] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Really should have been at least one reply by now, it's been a day. Given the nature of the situation and the fact that they stupidly announced this in the middle of Fanfest, I think it's fair to give them 48 hours to provide a reply. I also think it's fair to expect as comprehensive and valid response from them within a week. Tomorrow is my deadline for a response, and the week is my deadline for a complete answer.
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 121	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:07:00 - [334] - Quote legion concern: CCP - If you must migrate away from PS, please consider making controls fully customizable so we can make the most of the usually crap controllers on offer.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:22:00 - [335] - Quote Constructivism for CCP is over They used it for another product They community money too Its time for disorder, chaoss and anarchy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6gnTXN0wQ Markdown
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 251	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:31:00 - [336] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: It's not about the reaction. It's about how CCP treats their supporters. Your post suggests that they (possibly?) couldn't forsee the outrage at how this all came to light. I suggest to you that as a corporation it's their responsibility to forsee it, and they did, and apparently they didn't care. Frankly, this one was a no-brainer -the CPM warned them. This didn't require any hindsight at all IMO. It's that much of a no-brainer. What I am suggesting is this: Even if they did anticipated the community reaction with some clever PR tactic aimed at softening the unpleasant truth it wouldn't prevent the backlash of the obviously disappointed console community. No matter what CCP did to communicate this change of direction, the burned out ( toxic) community would accuse them of all kinds of atrocities and could say: you should have done it better. Because, that is the truth, they should have done better from the start - still it is only hindsight at this point. In my business experience ( Pharmaceuticals vs Botanicals ), professional PR is more often then not designed to obscure the truth rather then serve it straight. PR is about the appearance of truth. So how many of you have met a CCP DEV? As DEVs go most of them are very genuine and ernest, sometimes almost to the point of naivet+¬ or idealism. They have a healthy dose of self-reflection and self-criticism. So yes, I would rather have a company that fumbles with their PR while being genuinely passionate about their product then some sort of professional corporation where form has overtaken substance. In fact the decease of the modern gaming world, is all about form and delivery dates. Players have become incredibly spoiled and entitled while they consume content like greedy locust. Remaining loyal to CCP is hard work no doubts there. It requires a more mature approach to what represents true value in the long run. Its a bumpy road but ultimately more rewarding because with time it fosters true partnership instead of entitled dependency. I see your "Hindsight". and raise you "past experience" **** Post Jita Riots / Monacle Gate :Which was in response to failed aggressive damage control (thread deletions, disingenuous media interviews, allegations of CCP staff posing as players to soften the community rage with counter posts, etc. etc.) due to the Incarna / Monacle Gate / Microtransactions / Pay-to-Win / Golden Goose / Jita Riots summer of love. Here's an example of one of those articles that precedes the oh--were-not-going-to-get-out-of-this apology that occurred in the setting of massive unsubscribes that may have been heading toward a loss of $ 1 million annually or more if they continued. A leaked internal CCP newsletter/memo emerged that described the EVE community as a "Golden Goose" that could be used to fund other games (e.g. DUST 514 -ever wonder where all the EVE player hostility towards DUST console players came from? We're playing a game that was promised to them on PC) and who could forget the leaked Hilmar email during the community uproar which contained: (bold face added by me for emphasis) "Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to se tt in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable." **** I tend to learn from my mistakes (though, not always). You? I had hoped CCP would also. My opinion is that the DUST player base is not positioned to cause them the degree of economic damage that the EVE base can. Hence, my opinion that they did forsee this (and I know they were advised to not take this route by the CPM) but without an accompanying threat of economic penalty on the scale of Monacle-gate what we are seeing on display is a reflection of how much CCP values the DUST 514 console players. Period. Of course there would have been backlash no matter what. That's not the point. You want to break up with your significant other by email? Hit them with the communications blackout until he/she gives up? Take them someplace nice and crowded hoping that it will mute the potential emotional backlash? Or show some f'ing respect for that person as a human being and have the honest uncomfortable dialogue? PR / CR folks may certainly counsel you on how to obscure truth, groom a public image, save face. They also may remind you about the stuff you were supposed to learn as a child. Manners. One other thing: "I would rather have a company that fumbles with their PR while being genuinely passionate about their product then some sort of professional corporation where form has overtaken substance." Why is this the only choice on offer? Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur**
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:34:00 - [337] - Quote This is love by CCP CCP Games used the press conference for Dust 514, an existing free-to-player multiplayer shooter on the PlayStation 3, to announce a PC title called Project Legion. The team is unsure if Project Legion will ultimately be turned into a full release, and have repeatedly stated that the ultimate decision will be based on the fanGÇÖs reaction to the screenshots, ideas and footage that have been released for the game. The fan reaction has been immediate, and largely negative. Sean Decker is the VP of Product Development at CCP, and he told Polygon the days of waiting a few years to show off a game while hoping the fans like it are done. "Put it out in front of them, see if they like it," he said. "EVR [later renamed Eve: Valkyrie] was a perfect example of that. Legion will or will not be an example of that, weGÇÖll see, and if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'" That still doesnGÇÖt address the fact that there was next to no news about Dust 514 during the speech, and the small buy loyal following that game has earned have taken to the forums to express their disdain. Decker chalks this up as part of the learning process. "You announced the game you were promising us since 2009 again ... for PC... with no concrete plans what you can give the Dust players who have supported you for years now," one member of the community stated. "Heck. Had you at least that figured out the backlash wouldn't have been as severe." This response is indicative of the overall community reaction to the news of Project Legion, which has been largely negative. They want these features in the PlayStation 3 game they've been supporting since launch, and feel as if they're been abandoned for the new PC title. CCP Games hasn't done much to placate the fans on the message boards, but at Fanfest we were told that sometimes there are bumps on the road to a great product. "I ran DICE for awhile, and the first shooter game out of DICE was a game called Codename Eagle, which tons of people donGÇÖt know anything about, and never would, and probably shouldnGÇÖt," he told Polygon. "I think it sold like 20,000 units and got a 50 Metacritic, maybe a 40, something like that. It was horrible, and at the end of the day, teams usually have to do multiple iterations of something to get to something really great." It takes learning, stumbling and then getting back up to make something great in other words, and CCP is hoping that Project Legion is the game to execute on the concepts behind Dust 514 in a way thatGÇÖs much more enjoyable. ""And honestly, we didnGÇÖt make a great game to begin with. It has to be a great game"" "At the end of the day we want to take the things weGÇÖve learned from Dust, and yes itGÇÖs in the same IP, same place and all the rest of it, but we want to do some fundamentally different things with it that we feel we missed out on and that we didnGÇÖt do right," Decker said. "And honestly, we didnGÇÖt make a great game to begin with. It has to be a great game. We did all of these things to try and, we tried to do too much honestly in terms of connecting it into the universe and thereGÇÖs this MMO piece and all the rest of it, blah blah blah, as opposed to, 'I have a blast second to second. I love this game second to second and I love it minute to minute, hour to hour, and so on and so forth.'" So do they see Dust 514 existing a few years in the future? Does the game have a future? "How many players do we have?" Decker asked about this hypothetical future. I told him I didnGÇÖt know. "Neither do I, so thatGÇÖs the question. I mean, in terms of three years from now, if there are tons of people playing it, and people are really enjoying it, weGÇÖll keep doing it. And if people are like, GÇÿyou know what, thanks for all the fish and weGÇÖve moved,GÇÖ then we wonGÇÖt. ItGÇÖs as simple as that, and I think itGÇÖs true for any game service." F'C'U'K CCP THEY SHOULD BURN IN HELL Markdown
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 612	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:10:00 - [338] - Quote That interview with Sean Decker is pretty douchetastic. How goddamn cavalier an attitude is that to your company's product. Imagine the VP of a car company talking about their line of models like that.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 246	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:11:00 - [339] - Quote Over a day later, 17 pages in, and STILL no dev responses. I get if you don't want a discussion Rouge, but have some decency and don't say you will reply if you're not going to. There are a lot of good questions in this thread that are calm and well written that deserve the responses you said you would give. For someone who wants to keep the player base happy, you are doing a god awful job at it.
OPNAV MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:28:00 - [340] - Quote ...honestly we're reading too much into this. The simple answer is CCP is full of really dumb people.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5291	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:39:00 - [341] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Over a day later, 17 pages in, and STILL no dev responses. I get if you don't want a discussion Rouge, but have some decency and don't say you will reply if you're not going to. There are a lot of good questions in this thread that are calm and well written that deserve the responses you said you would give. For someone who wants to keep the player base happy, you are doing a god awful job at it. Self-quoting: Garrett Blacknova wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really should have been at least one reply by now, it's been a day. Given the nature of the situation and the fact that they stupidly announced this in the middle of Fanfest, I think it's fair to give them 48 hours to provide a reply. I also think it's fair to expect as comprehensive and valid response from them within a week. Tomorrow is my deadline for a response, and the week is my deadline for a complete answer. From here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131628#post2131628 (it's a few posts above yours on the same page)
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1152	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:09:00 - [342] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. CCP Rouge ***** YOU ARE JUST 10/10 ALL DAY ***** LONG ARENT YOU? Nemo me impune lacessit CCP - Announcing games at the same time as killing the ones you love CCP - No Credibility
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 896	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:18:00 - [343] - Quote CCP, I realize you guys can't spend 24 hours a day on the forums, but considering this is one of the main ways you communicate with your customers you should be putting more effort into this than you've done so far.
TIGER SHARK1501 The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:35:00 - [344] - Quote So I've been told that our BPOs will literally not work the way they do on dust that they are supposed to on Legion and that our SP skills won't mean anything. I've also been told that the effort and time that i've put into dust will not truly equal to out to a beneficial start in Legion if and when it drops. If that is the case what is the purpose of even playing your next game? To have some name that I came up with? Nobody will care and it won't mean anything to me. If moving onto Legion is the goal that you claim and I literally don't start in that game where I left off in Dust than you truly did what I said in an earlier post and that is that you made me pay and waste my time on a pay for Beta! I want a refund!
smoking the kind RestlessSpirits 33	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:41:00 - [345] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge if you are going to start putting nails in this coffin please go out in style and bring back skirmish 1.0 since you are parting ways with us sooner than later give us any thing you have been working on bugs and all, you know what i am talking about, the other two heavy weapons, unfinished vehicles, pilot suits, ect... don't hold back at this point and don't be afraid to tell us straight up what you are planning to do with Dust 514 because you already told us about the new project on the PC. It is time for full disclosure and time for the Team and CCP Rouge to start talking to keep this conversation going, please.
sxspk Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:55:00 - [346] - Quote Here's the latest I've seen so far. [url]http:// http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5678596/Project-Legion-Dust-514-CCP[/url].
AAA Hellcab Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:35:00 - [347] - Quote Time to cut the ****. Ok, they're back. The hackers. No, they aren't proto. They are hackers. Don't believe me? www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NFLjWqVQZc Now, Sony can't detect these. But they exist... And I think CCP have detected them. I honestly thought consoles were safe from hackers, but alas no. Will Legion be? Who knows, but I love when CCP slap a Banhammer on some people stealing from not only them, but you and me. I am not gonna give another cent because the rage I feel when playing these guys just isn't worth it. You know who they are. They play like crap yet somehow take ZERO damage, hiding under the 'proto' cover. Among some dubious other occurrences, always amongst the same people. I warned them, but thanks for killing a great game. I now 'want' it to fail, just to know that your time was as worthless as mine. Scrap the whole shitepile and we'll call it a draw. I hope my money has helped developed Valkyrie and gone into some good fanfests :) Farewell multiplayer... But I doubt it.
RipperRouge Ship Maphia Clan Corporation 7	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:32:00 - [348] - Quote CCP rouge sei una grandissima testa di cazz.o i don't f.uckin care if my character can be used on this s.hit called legion,i don't have money to buy a PC only for play 1 game and even if i had,do you seriously think i'm going to play another ccp's game,after all the lies you sai and after i waste 2 year on DUST514 only to be a guinea pig only to let you announce legion? you are fool ccp rouge. you said that dust will not be abandoned to its fate but you also say that our character can be imported in legion,maybe i'm stupid (not like you) but for me this thing clearly means dust will die..... I have to thank ccp only one thing, for introducing me to many beautiful people but for the rest.....i have nothing to thank to ccp. so.....thanks for making me waste time,i will never have more to do with you. from my heart. F-UCK YOU Ripper Rouge,the only and real ROUGE on dust p.s. ban me if you want,like you do with my main character,i'll come back, stronger and more pissed off than before. FUCK CCP R.I.P. DUST LeL
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 897	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:50:00 - [349] - Quote AAA Hellcab wrote: Time to cut the ****. Ok, they're back. The hackers. No, they aren't proto. They are hackers. Don't believe me? www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NFLjWqVQZc Now, Sony can't detect these. But they exist... And I think CCP have detected them. I honestly thought consoles were safe from hackers, but alas no. Will Legion be? Who knows, but I love when CCP slap a Banhammer on some people stealing from not only them, but you and me. I am not gonna give another cent because the rage I feel when playing these guys just isn't worth it. You know who they are. They play like crap yet somehow take ZERO damage, hiding under the 'proto' cover. Among some dubious other occurrences, always amongst the same people. I warned them, but thanks for killing a great game. I now 'want' it to fail, just to know that your time was as worthless as mine. Scrap the whole shitepile and we'll call it a draw. I hope my money has helped developed Valkyrie and gone into some good fanfests :) Farewell multiplayer... But I doubt it. You didn't know consoles could be hacked? Holyman's son played CoD with hacks. He (the son, not Holyman) actually tried whining to us about how 'the hacks made the game too easy and it wasn't fun anymore.' Our response? "And who's fault was that?"
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4288	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:00:00 - [350] - Quote Is project legion going to be free? I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please be free

Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of New Eden 538	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:11:00 - [351] - Quote smoking the kind wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge if you are going to start putting nails in this coffin please go out in style and bring back skirmish 1.0 since you are parting ways with us sooner than later give us any thing you have been working on bugs and all, you know what i am talking about, the other two heavy weapons, unfinished vehicles, pilot suits, ect... don't hold back at this point and don't be afraid to tell us straight up what you are planning to do with Dust 514 because you already told us about the new project on the PC. It is time for full disclosure and time for the Team and CCP Rouge to start talking to keep this conversation going, please. actually, this is a brilliant idea. Give us the things that are ready, and since Dust will die anyways and you have no intention of doing any other huge updates, give us all of the old things you took out. Give us our old maps back. Sure, they tended to be poorly thought out, giving an unfair advantage to one team at the start, but bad maps are better than no new maps and some of them were a lot of fun. My favorite is still the map with the gigantic mountain that took up nearly the entire left side of battlefield. You know, the one with 20 snipers on there at any given time. GIVE US BACK OUR OLD MAPS!! Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
KGB Sleep Inner.Hell 1067	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:34:00 - [352] - Quote This topic's name is "Answering you DUST 514 and Project Legion concerns." by CCP Rouge. Dude has made 1 post to these forums since taking EP. Let that sink in. There are no answers here. Because beer, that's why.
xKainx Death Algintal Core Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:17:00 - [353] - Quote Theodorich Eudoxier wrote: I barley tolerate the PS3 OS on my network. You do know that the PS3 OS is Unix based, right? Just saying.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:59:00 - [354] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: "Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to se tt in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable." A solid argument, but in my case its kind like barking up the wrong tree - because I totally agreed with Hilmar's point of view then. All this rioting LOL. It was just that. A rioting mob with , entitlement issues freaking out about perceived danger of pay to win etc. In the end they got what they wanted and CCP had to submit. Do I think that was a great success for the community. Absolutely not. Its never good to give into tantrums because it spoils. Plus the most unfortunate result of those riots was innovation being shelved for a good while. Was it good for CCP as a company? Yes. Because under all that pressure they adapted their development strategy and what emerged was a more clear set of goals for the future. I realize that my point of view is rather rare, I know very few players, friends, who agree with me on this. But those who do, how did you put it... "I guess, they have the stuff you were supposed to learn as a child." Do I have contempt for people who do not agree with me? Absolutely not. I think entitlement is a natural part of live especially in a world of gaming which essentially takes a form of addiction. Also, there is nothing wrong with some addiction in live, but I am simply aware that it is an unhealthy state that leads to paranoia, suspicion, anger, well, the dark side. So why is that the only thing on offer? Because thats what CCP is as a company, as people. And if they try to change into something they are not relations with them will only deteriorate. I think that what they are isn't bad at all, because they truly seek a partnership with us instead of co-dependency. This is very rare phenomena in the gaming industry and by this merit alone the struggles and pains we endure are well worth the effort. However, in order to see this fact one has to turn off the toxic red haze of addiction and look past the entitlement, suspicion, anger. Like it or not we have a symbiotic relationship with them and too much pressure from either side will simply derail the innovation process... again. The road to innovation is not a straight forward one. You cannot create brilliant fresh ideas in a focus group, and if you listen to the majority you will simply never get there. Innovation is trial and error and so, inevitably, there are casualties. Fortunately in this case its only bruised and disappointed egos of players who either do not derive any pleasure from an innovative process or they don't understand what it takes to get there. Oh sure it would be great if CCP had better "table-side manners" but it isn't a prerequisite to innovation. Steve Jobs was know to be a rather unpleasant fellow, terrible to work with and Apple till this day is a kind of arrogant company. So what. Steve definitely did not listen to what the masses wanted, instead he gave them what they didn't know they needed. That is innovation in a nutshell. Clarification: My texts, especially on this subject, tend to get a bit long and preachy and I am sorry for that. But before you get any ideas like: this guy is a CCP apologist, think again. With them, I very much speak using my wallet. Last year I was so disappointed with the state of DUST as oppose to what was promised I stopped playing both games ( 3 accounts in EVE) and haven't started since. All I have left now is forum PVP and when it comes to innovation I become a crusader. And it is from that point of view I will never stop being impressed and respecting what CCP is trying to achieve.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 568	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:00:00 - [355] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Bro they are abandoning the console players. Don't give me that ***** wall of text in a try to smooth things over. For me it's not about the money, trust me I have more than most. It's the *** lies and al empty promises that what ppl are pissed about. So in other words STFU Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter anymore. Abandoning the console players? After the display we've seen here, being in CCP's position, I would gladly rid myself of this horrid community too. DUST will rid itself of barely a few thousand (incessant, whiny) console players and in return gain tens of thousands of PC players. Any rational person would agree it's a smart move. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything. The console gaming market dwarfs the pc gaming market. Al survives also showes that the awrage console player spend about the dubble amount of money on games as the pc gamer. ( this is well known within the industry) It's also a known fact that fewer and fewer spend money on gaming PC;s intact the decline is about half the last 5 years. So get your fact right before condemning console players and it's potential. It's also funny to read your post and realise that you have no insight in ppl feelings at all. The reaction is because ppl love the game those silent don't give a **. The fact is that CCP told everyone ( included you ) that dust is a 10 year plan in the making. Now they are telling that everything we ever wanted for dust are going to come on a other game, a pure pc game. It's not that mutch that they are doing what they ar doing, it's the WAY they did it. And calling the community "incessant,whiny" only because you dont agree with them tells more about you than anything else. Sorry for any bad English Regards War never changes
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 568	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:17:00 - [356] - Quote Requin Toblat wrote: HUNK tm wrote: I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo. ...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them) Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore. CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%. - Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc.... If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me. Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais) This ! My experience of PC FPS's has generally been hackers screwing it up for everyone else. This is the resone I stopped playing pc games. There is some issues with console like mided controllers however in no way is it even close to the clusterF of sheets and hacks that are in PC. Regards War never changes
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:34:00 - [357] - Quote InsidiousN wrote: Why are console players being prohibited from entering the EVE Universe? isn't that obvious enough ? Console could never handle the real vision of dust. It has been limiting it from the start ...
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:36:00 - [358] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. If this releases even a week earlier on PC than on the PS4, you are doing a great disservice to the community that stuck with this game for 2 years now, who were waiting for this game to become what EVE Legion is going to be. Even if working on the PC version first will be easier, you will be abandoning the community, and consumer trust is something hard to restore. Do not repeat Incarna. Problem is it is struggling as it is of right now... Nothing bigger won't come into Dust, not because there ll be another game but because of a dying platform that console is.. it would be the same with PS4 eventually. It has been limiting everything from the start.
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:37:00 - [359] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: where is all the stuff we were promised TWO years ago? wait nevermind, Project legion is getting it instead of us There would be no point in getting anything big in dust for console in the first place ... They are already struggling with performance issues as it is now.
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:40:00 - [360] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: IN CAPS SO THIS IS UNDERSTOOD..... MOST OF US DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT LEGION. WE ARE CONSOLE PLAYERS NOT PC PLAYERS. If Legion becomes a reality, we won't be transitioning to pc for it. Now, you may not care because there are some eve players that will play it and a few others. But you will definitely lose the core group of guys who have been spending hundreds of dollars on dust and helping you guys with the fps design learning curve. Now, you may say, "fugg the console players, there are plenty of pc players that we can tap into"....but then be honest about it. You console players have to understand, that adding bigger stuff into dust would cause the console to explode, they are already struggling with the performance as it is. Dust is by far the maximum what can console handle in mmo, it would perform better in singleplayer. Consoles are made for fast, easy and fun games ...

Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:42:00 - [361] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: My second question: I believe that Legion will be using the Unreal Engine 4 (Where as DUST uses 3) They also will both be interacting with EVE online and it's database, and it's market. How much development with EVE could be done "in parallel"; meaning are there things with EVE (such as OBs of today) which could be added to DUST while developing Legion. For example, many such features seem to be more practical to introduced into DUST and Legion at the same time, such as the "progression" presentation, as well as the full market integration (Which should be largely EVE-side code?) Stop ******* asking about Legion....we are trying to preserve dust on the console. It will be preserved ... problem is nothing much can be added to it, it wouldn't handle such huge scale that the original vision had. Console is made for fast, easy and fun games...
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:45:00 - [362] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago. Problem is, Dust would never be so awesome on a console. Too many limitations from start, consoles aren't made for such complicated, huge things like vision for dust. They are for fast, easy, and fun games... Any mmo for console will have to be focused on 1 thing, never on so many things that dust is. Singleplayers tend to be better on console obviously, but never mmo. You want to be dust so much on a console, yet you don't realize it can never really happen there.
smoking the kind RestlessSpirits 33	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:20:00 - [363] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: Problem is, Dust would never be so awesome on a console. Too many limitations from start, consoles aren't made for such complicated, huge things like vision for dust. They are for fast, easy, and fun games... Any mmo for console will have to be focused on 1 thing, never on so many things that dust is. Singleplayers tend to be better on console obviously, but never mmo. You want to be dust so much on a console, yet you don't realize it can never really happen there. you are misinformed horribly and should keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you are talking about, the PS4 was designed around modern gaming computers. ps3 might be an obsolete console but the ps4 is a beast that can play any modern game out there, including mmo's or even an awesome version of dust 514. another thing, according to sales figures and desk top PC's are losing popularity and are quickly becoming obsolete technology.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 553	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:47:00 - [364] - Quote Hi, I am curious - will Legion play more like a game of eve? What I mean by that is are we free in Legion to explore the universe? Will the game be pve focused / pvp focused or a mix of the two with an emphasis on PVP (Just like EVE?) I love the idea of Legion and I cant wait to play and test the game! Markdown:
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 952	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:11:00 - [365] - Quote 18 pages and not 1 blue tag answer any of our other questions that matter to most of us.... good discussion CCP. Xeroo.Cool on Skype. Kyle720 on PSN Since they effed this game up... I am waiting for Destiny on ps4 like you should be
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5353	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:23:00 - [366] - Quote Getting close to the point where something URGENTLY needs to show up from a blue tag in this thread. Preferably Rouge. And with AT THE VERY LEAST, confirmation of a (SHORT) timeframe within which to expect answers to the questions we're ACTUALLY ASKING, instead of the handful of pre-planned questions CCP wanted us to ask.
sxspk Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:28:00 - [367] - Quote For all the ones quitting. May I have your isk so it doesn't go to waste?
Deamonwrath21 DeathReign Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:10:00 - [368] - Quote Jordan Silva wrote: Hey CCP keep an eye at a guy called: ContraBanJoe He formed some kind of riot so i might join if hes just about a petition thing

CCP Rouge C C P C C P Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.05.05 18:56:00 - [369] - Quote Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. I've been busy having retrospectives with the other developers after the announcements as well as absorbing and thinking about your feedback that I've been reading on the forums. Firstly, I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Legion. There has been some concerns about what exactly we are looking to migrate. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time, effort and money you invested in DUST 514 in Legion is carried over. Secondly, I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. At this stage, we have not finalized the details of the monetization model, there have no discussions yet about moving away from a free-to-play model. IGÇÖll still be around over the next few days to answer more questions, but I just wanted to start off with these two. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions.

SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 388	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:02:00 - [370] - Quote Quote: I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. This is the big one to me. Still looking for more concrete details since things are in flux as far as how Legion will handle but this statement is a great first step.

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1835	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:07:00 - [371] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. Why would I ever give you another dime? Who wants some?
Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 145	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:17:00 - [372] - Quote Sorry Rouge, Im gone, I stupidly bought an omega booster for the million clone challenge.And I must admit, your really selling the game with the promise of more balancing. Whoopee Open Beta vet - in it for the long haul
ArgosThanat0s M E N A L O N 13	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:33:00 - [373] - Quote Do you really think that any player will be stupid enough to buy again ANY item booster or spend a single dime from now on ? You lost your credibility and reputation and these values cannot be easily retrieved. We just wait to see your further updates....in the meantime i am so disappointed by the whole case that i dont even feel like logging in in Dust at least for the moment. CCP - REALLY ? ........ REALLY ?
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2571	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 - [374] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. Very nice. Quote: I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. This made me a bit unsecure. The current system is pretty good if you ask me. But I guess Aurum weapons don't do an economy any good. Maybe they'll go and the new system will focus more on cosmetic stuff? Any info on when we can expect the dev blog? Quote: You lost your credibility and reputation and these values cannot be easily retrieved. My character ports over. I can't ask for more. After all that way I keep everything I paid for. So I would actually consider paying money for Legion again if everything goes smooth. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 - [375] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. If you're not going to develop Dust as a sandbox MMO integrated into EVE Online then it's false advertisement as far as I am concerned. And Dust becomes nothing other than a run-of-the-mill lobby shooter. Nothing special to see here, folks, move on. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of New Eden 543	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:45:00 - [376] - Quote yo' not taking ma' BPO's away!!! Anyways, so if all we're getting for dust are hotfixes and balancing does that mean no pilot suits? Also, we can trade isk between accounts, how come we can't trade items between accounts? You don't need to worry whether the economy is "balanced" because there won't be an economy in a little while. Just let us trade our items, let us figure out how much we want to pay isk for those items by messaging each other, and BAM, we have our player market. Sure, prices will fluctuate wildly, and it will be hard to set a standard pricing for those items, but it's not like we're going to affect anything going on in the eve universe, right? Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8353	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:47:00 - [377] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: This made me a bit unsecure. The current system is pretty good if you ask me. But I guess Aurum weapons don't do an economy any good. Maybe they'll go and the new system will focus more on cosmetic stuff? Any info on when we can expect the dev blog? Speaking from observation and from experience, the current AUR system we have now is somewhat ok but it still needs more improvement. My biggest worry some time ago was how tiered AUR items will be dealt with once the secondary economy and manufacturing was implemented. But now that Legion will be getting the economy and industry instead, it doesn't matter for Dust at this point. Legion on the other hand has an opportunity to get it right this time as tiered AUR items as you see in Dust are a major problem for the economy and hopefully Legion will get rid of it so that the economy will not suffer once Legion is given the green light. One question for you CCP Rouge. Can you get Hilmar Veigar to give the green light for Legion? The sooner the better. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2572	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:51:00 - [378] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Can you get Hilmar Veigar to give the green light for Legion? The sooner the better. I would like that too. I have accepted Legion as Dust 2.0 now that we have confirmation that our stuff migrates. Without Legion beeing greenlit I feel like Dust and everything I waited for in that game will come to an end. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 245	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:16:00 - [379] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. ... When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. I suppose that's better than nothing, I guess. Not much, but better, so I guess I should thank you for at least providing this info. It sounds like you'll basically just be finishing up what you've currently been working on, though. So then my next question(s) would be: Is that going to be all? Will there be more to come in the future and, for how long?
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 952	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:31:00 - [380] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. . This makes me a happy camper. Xeroo.Cool on Skype. Kyle720 on PSN Since they effed this game up... I am waiting for Destiny on ps4 like you should be

Skilfer Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 78	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:48:00 - [381] - Quote As a result of the rather general feedback regarding any future content for DUST 514 on PS3, I have the following, specific questions: 1) Will we be receiving the rest of the racial vehicle variants? 2) Will we be receiving any new weapons, vehicles, etc.? These are things that will give the current player base something to look forward to, and will help keep them engaged while Legion is in development , so please let us know, at the very least, if either (or both) of these are coming. We need to know that the game is still growing, not just being kept alive. I-RED Diplomat Veteran of Mordu's Private Trials
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 254	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:52:00 - [382] - Quote Quote: When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements With only half of the hamsters than were previously assigned to Dust "development' (fixes and balancing); is it safe to assume that the speed and responsiveness we've come to expect from the DUST Dev team will suffer? I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
x Sanada x What The French Red Whines. 131	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:58:00 - [383] - Quote Just good bye dust Si vis pacem para bellum. TACE FACE
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 18	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:07:00 - [384] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. Focus on cosmetics and SP boosters for monetization. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:31:00 - [385] - Quote Hi everyone, (aka suckers) 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? F**k you if it ain't on console I ain't playin it. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? Yes we are I just don't know how to tell you. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? "It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion" We don't care about you console suckers. We just took all your money to design a game for PC. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development (aka dust for pc alpha testing). Screw you console players we will come out with it when we do. We suck at FPS and will use all the knowledge you gave us to make the best PC FPS screw you console players. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge (aka Console @ss wooper) CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 986	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:35:00 - [386] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. What the hell does this mean? It's sounds VERY suspect when you say "I want to make it free-to-play," meaning that CCP Rouge does, but that's not how it's going to be. So, if it's not going to be free-to-play, what then? How is it that CCP is both really good and spectacularly bad at communication? CCP Iceland has it down. They release forum threads on new features months in advance to get feedback. CCP Shanghai seemingly has the communication skills of a kindergartener sometimes. I mean, how can you come in and make an off-the-cuff comment about the PAYMENT MODEL without 1) being the authority on what the model will be and 2) with concrete information? Why just not say anything at all? Was there a tremendous demand to say a small hint on the changing payment model but not be able to follow it up? I used to want to think that you guys had a good communication network, and that you'd release information in a methodical fashion. Now, I'm not sure. I just don't see the virtue of commenting on something so large--so large as the money we give you--and then not follow it up. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8355	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:42:00 - [387] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. What the hell does this mean? It's sounds VERY suspect when you say "I want to make it free-to-play," meaning that CCP Rouge does, but that's not how it's going to be. So, if it's not going to be free-to-play, what then? How is it that CCP is both really good and spectacularly bad at communication? CCP Iceland has it down. They release forum threads on new features months in advance to get feedback. CCP Shanghai seemingly has the communication skills of a kindergartener sometimes. I mean, how can you come in and make an off-the-cuff comment about the PAYMENT MODEL without 1) being the authority on what the model will be and 2) with concrete information? Why just not say anything at all? Was there a tremendous demand to say a small hint on the changing payment model but not be able to follow it up? I used to want to think that you guys had a good communication network, and that you'd release information in a methodical fashion. Now, I'm not sure. I just don't see the virtue of commenting on something so large--so large as the money we give you--and then not follow it up. It just means he's going to convince Hilmar to let it become free-to-play. It's extremely likely to become F2P considering that CCP recently hired several people who seem to specialize on Microtransactions in the gaming industry in the previous month. If that's the case, I'll be happy. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Pliny Eldritch SCIENCE FOR LIFE Galactic Skyfleet Empire 5	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:09:00 - [388] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. One thing that hasn't been covered yet is a clear, sensible explanation for why Legion can't be developed for both PC and PS4 simultaneously. Considering that you're using UE4, most of the "port" is covered by the game engine - or is Epic just blowing smoke? Is Sony the problem? Nobody expects miracles, but having a clear upgrade path from Dust to Legion for console players would satisfy just about everybody.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 554	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:12:00 - [389] - Quote By the way Rouge - I know this transition from ps3 to pc has its pains for some people but I have faith you guys can make Legion the game DUST should have been. (At least the game I thought DUST should have been). Great job. Markdown:
Karl Koekwaus 226	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:20:00 - [390] - Quote The only concern I have now is how many eve clients I can run besides it, on the other monitors. Plz CCP support proper Multitasking and proper Multimonitor support. Micheal Jackson died for my sins

Ambiuris Zinum EL Azteca Empire Amenaza Inminente 33	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:23:00 - [391] - Quote I have been in this game and no other since closed beta. It is one of the greatest FPS tactical game out there. I love the game. But I am a counsel player. To think of making a Chang like this you must have the a sureness that you will have the amount of volume you have now. All the homeis I play with are console players. I think your going the wrong way with project legion. But it's your call. Do you CCP know how many player would continue playing Dust on the PC ? If not you should try to do a survey on how many people would o wouldn't. But not on this forum but in game or on facebook. And see what you come up with. If you do know. I would like to know in numbers. I for one do not have a gaming PC. I would NOT play project Legion. Thank you for your attention. Viva EL Azteca Empire And if this game ends I'll see you all in GTA 5.
Keshian Hunter Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:30:00 - [392] - Quote personally, i don't want a character transfer, this new game can give everyone a new beginning new and old players alike it will give everyone a fair and will get rid of a the proto stomping scum that dust has
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8356	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:40:00 - [393] - Quote Keshian Hunter wrote: personally, i don't want a character transfer, this new game can give everyone a new beginning new and old players alike it will give everyone a fair and will get rid of a the proto stomping scum that dust has The protostomping is assuming there is no proper matchmaking or if tieracide doesn't get implemented. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 417	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:42:00 - [394] - Quote Keshian Hunter wrote: personally, i don't want a character transfer, this new game can give everyone a new beginning new and old players alike it will give everyone a fair and will get rid of a the proto stomping scum that dust has So everyone that ever joins this game will join at the same time and progress at the same rate? Oh, and will this move also negate all skill involved as well, setting everyone back down to the same level? Will squads stop working together and communicating if the other team has no organized units? Skill > Squads > Proto Gear That stomp is still going to happen, whether you reset everyone or not. A reset will just mean the worse of it will be delayed for a few days, or a few weeks at best.
Raz Sidona 0n The Brink 79	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:08:00 - [395] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. For most of us this wont matter. Our time and efforts in Dust will be meaningless since you're restricting it still to PC only on release. We are a console gaming community, NOT PC. I doubt most of us will go buy a PC just to run your new game and i doubt our current computers will be able to run it cleanly. It needs to be released on PS4 at the same time as PC if you want our time and effort to be carried over, anything less means our time and effort was for nothing. EDITED for spelling corrections and clarity
sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 399	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:42:00 - [396] - Quote I have some concerns. What happened to the Vita App and the Player Maket? The Dust website clearly states Dust 514 will have both. Quote: DUST 514 brings a vibrant economy to the world of console shooters, featuring a player-driven online market In addition, DUST 514 will feature a PlayStation-«Vita companion app that directly interacts with the game world How about 24v24 battles? Your FAQ states we'll have those as well. Quote: DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented. Oh, and how about shooting down space ships? Quote: DUST 514 players will be able to use weapons from the ground to deal damage to spacecraft above. Oh, and here's one of my favorite quotes from a dev log: Quote: The merging of EVE and DUST provides opportunities for socialization far beyond what most MMOs are able to offer simply by virtue of the fact that New Eden will soon be populated by players with vastly different roles, but similar agendas. And, we believe, the universe will be better for it. Because, for better or worse, every minute spent in the EVE setting should mean something. What happened to that?
sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 399	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:44:00 - [397] - Quote And how about the 5 year future that CCP was 'confident' about for dust, and all the stuff they talked about in this article? http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-confident-about-dust-514-s-five-year-future-255455.phtml Quote: In its current iteration, Dust 514 is a competitive, player-vs.-player, deathmatch-based affair. However, CCP Shanghai are working on cooperative, player-vs.-environment modes that they hope will encourage corporation-level play: "Survival" is a wave-based Horde mode, and "Infestation" will involve scouring any enemies trying to establish a toehold in corporation-controlled districts. In both modes, groups of players will fight against drones, the so-called "rats" or "mobs" of Dust 514, to gather money and other resources. The idea is that these PvE modes will give players and corps new entry points into the robust in-game economy that ties Dust 514 and EVE Online together. Eventually, CCP plans to implement space elevators to carry those resources from the planetary surfaces of Dust to the orbiting fleets of EVE, linking the two games physically as well as thematically, economically, and structurally. Other upcoming modes include GÇ£Penetration,GÇ¥ which will allow Dust mercenaries to raid and board EVEGÇÖs Titan-class warships, and GÇ£Gladiator,GÇ¥ a set of organized tournaments that will include in-game betting and streaming. Quote: GÇ£GÇÿUprisingGÇÖ is not the end of the major, free updates. WeGÇÖve got quite a few more planned for the rest of 2013 and then out for two years, out for five years, out for ten years, just like EVE.GÇ¥ Oh and here's a GREAT quote, what happened to this? Quote: GÇ£This is the way that CCP does a game,GÇ¥ says Laurino. GÇ£WeGÇÖll never make a Dust 514-2, right?
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 29	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:53:00 - [398] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: By the way Rouge - I know this transition from ps3 to pc has its pains for some people but I have faith you guys can make Legion the game DUST should have been. (At least the game I thought DUST should have been). Great job. I thought the flashy sig picture thing was something people were doing to annoy CCP mods as protest...
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14080	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:35:00 - [399] - Quote Just gonna leave this here: CCP Rouge should be called CCP Rogue because dat sneak attack.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 45	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:05:00 - [400] - Quote i'll give ccp credit they all the only game company can connect the ps3 to pc you can make it happen again ccp ps4 legion connect to legion pc and eve console players will think cool we can play with pc players at legion you can make that happen again ccp :))) your game company will be famous if you make that happen...

Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 233	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:27:00 - [401] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. In reply to this I will assume that saying applicable skills/inventory will end up with players having fewer SP's and inventory. This will only cause further complaints from the community. May I suggest that at time of transfer you are given the number of SP's you have in DUST as unallocated SP's or something similar that fits with the new progression system. Regarding Inventory, an easier way would be to liquidate all inventory into ISK and AUR, excluding officer weapons, for the transfer. Then allocate the equivilant amount in Legion. BPO's - I assume in the future of EVE Universe there will be an industry element where dropsuits, modules, weapons are built from resources harvested. BPO's that will be relevant to this should be ported over to Legion if the character owns them. If they are not then AUR should be given at the current market value for those items and that AUR should be transferred with that character across to Legion. I feel that if these steps are carried out the transition will be made easier and remain calmer. If these are unreasonable, please let me know which parts and why :) Thanks for the communication, Night Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:44:00 - [402] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Keshian Hunter wrote: personally, i don't want a character transfer, this new game can give everyone a new beginning new and old players alike it will give everyone a fair and will get rid of a the proto stomping scum that dust has So everyone that ever joins this game will join at the same time and progress at the same rate? Oh, and will this move also negate all skill involved as well, setting everyone back down to the same level? Will squads stop working together and communicating if the other team has no organized units? Skill > Squads > Proto Gear That stomp is still going to happen, whether you reset everyone or not. A reset will just mean the worse of it will be delayed for a few days, or a few weeks at best. Depends on what the game goal is. That is and ultimately how any game gets developed. Here's a good example: Monopoly. We all know how it works and have custom rules at times. The goal is to be the wealthiest. Well how do you do that? You buy properties and are strategic on how you use it. Its an easy thing to think about but how to do. The problem with Dust and even Legion is making a came without a cap or some restriction in place. Most FPS games had caps; two players could ultimately yield the same equipment but when one played longer they had the ability to use their experience to outmatch the other player; throw a grenade/mine as they chase you and let it finish them off or run a corner and then prep ready for a headshot. There were game ideas tossed around about making "Achievements" in the game as a means to access rarer stuff; "kill x number of players receive 1 x achievement award that, when accumulated, can be used to boost a stat forever". The difference is that in Dust protostomping makes the gap forever in the advantage of the vet. There are ways around this matter I just at this stage really wonder what CCP's has collectively in-so-far as experience with FPS games in general.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:04:00 - [403] - Quote sammus420 wrote: And how about the 5 year future that CCP was 'confident' about for dust, and all the stuff they talked about in this article? Oh dear not this again. What, have you never seen how it works when projects/businesses fail to reach their projected goal? The confidence, whether only projected or real, is usually there right up to the very last moment when mounting problems overwhelm and you decide to cut losses and change your strategy. If they kept telling us instead: we are heaving so much problems with this game, we are not sure if we will make it, we bit off more then we can chew, would that be professional? Besides, what team of programmers would work in a negative atmosphere, with no confidence in their own vision? They failed our high expectations which they initially build up. Sure, but that is what usually happens when a project fails and if you have been around DUST from the start, this outcome shouldn't be such a big surprise. But constantly implying dishonesty, manipulation and expecting them to respond to that - its a bunch of baloney. As I see it we will have two games, at least initially. We have DUST on PS3 which is a mediocre game but it is already connected to the EVE universe via PC and FW. (Which developer has managed that much?) Hopefully not too long from now we will have Legion, also connected to EVE but via a different type of gameplay - PVE. Despite serious flaws and problems DUST remains playable, I doubt that all those people playing up till this moment have had no fun at all and its all just about waiting for the promised future. I have no doubts whatsoever that if Legion's launch is a success it will port to PS4 at which point both games can combine into one. It is obvious they cannot promise too much at this point, they already let down a lot of expectations, why start by making new vague promises? CCP talked about 10 year development plan, did you expect that there will be no set backs? Well this most certainly is a set back, but if you were truly in it for the promise of tomorrow - realise that this is far from over and buckle up because it will be a very bumpy ride. I quit playing 10 months ago because I saw CCP's confidence for what it was: that's what companies do, they project optimism in the face of adversity. I saw all the flaws and faults and decided to play it safe. But if you cannot get over the fact how you cheated your own damn self by investing too much hope, time, money into what was clearly a very mediocre game to start with then just leave.
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 96	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:49:00 - [404] - Quote I know for a fact that we want the rest of the vehicles and turrets along with the rest of the heavy weapons when are these coming out? When are you going to rebalance the modules and PG/CPU on the medium suits? (this means giving all medium and assaults the same amount of module slots) Do not stiff the Amarr again because you don't like their racial description. -also it wont hurt any thing if you raise the lower hp value on all the minmatar suits to the higher one. Why doesn't the laser rifles range get better with tier? Lazy or intended? I don't even know why I bother.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:29:00 - [405] - Quote Pliny Eldritch wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. One thing that hasn't been covered yet is a clear, sensible explanation for why Legion can't be developed for both PC and PS4 simultaneously. Considering that you're using UE4, most of the "port" is covered by the game engine - or is Epic just blowing smoke? Is Sony the problem? Nobody expects miracles, but having a clear upgrade path from Dust to Legion for console players would satisfy just about everybody. A clear answer? Boot up your PS3 and look at Dust. THAT is your answer. Let CCP make the game first and the optimization second or it will end up like the PS3 version. They are too incompetent to do both at the same time. PS4 version should come after PC version is feature complete.

CCP Blowout. C C P C C P Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:44:00 - [406] - Quote sammus420 wrote: I have some concerns. What happened to the Vita App and the Player Maket? The Dust website clearly states Dust 514 will have both. Quote: DUST 514 brings a vibrant economy to the world of console shooters, featuring a player-driven online market In addition, DUST 514 will feature a PlayStation-«Vita companion app that directly interacts with the game world How about 24v24 battles? Your FAQ states we'll have those as well. Quote: DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented. Oh, and how about shooting down space ships? Quote: DUST 514 players will be able to use weapons from the ground to deal damage to spacecraft above. Oh, and here's one of my favorite quotes from a dev log: Quote: The merging of EVE and DUST provides opportunities for socialization far beyond what most MMOs are able to offer simply by virtue of the fact that New Eden will soon be populated by players with vastly different roles, but similar agendas. And, we believe, the universe will be better for it. Because, for better or worse, every minute spent in the EVE setting should mean something. What happened to that? Hey, thanks for the questions and for pointing that stuff out. As part of my responsibilities beyond the email newsletters and trolling the CPM, I also am now looking after all the content on the website. Seems we have some edits to make, obviously, as a result of all that has been going down recently. One of which you have highlighted here - some of that information is out of date in that we won't be making a PS Vita companion app for DUST 514. I'm going to get the website to reflect the current state of affairs with as much as we know for certain for now.

Dark Rust Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 13	Posted - 2014.05.06 10:32:00 - [407] - Quote LoL ;]
Canis Ferox Ultramarine Corp 24	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:04:00 - [408] - Quote [quote=CCP Rouge 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. CCP Rouge[/quote] I am prepared to get hated for the following statement: I want to keep my name, that is all. Please don't transfer my 16 million SP or some people's 50 million SP over to PL! Please don't! It'll be an INSTANT game killer for any new players. We already have a huge advantage, as Dust players, in understanding the maps, weapons, mechanics, equipment and general strategies within the game. If you give the Veteran, Proto-Stomping Elite all their SP in the future game, they'll be an even larger gap between them and new players than there ever was in Dust: You'll carry with it all the problems that stopped new players from staying more than 5 minutes in Dust - into Project Legion - same mistakes - same outcome; failure. When will CCP learn from its mistakes? And when will the community stop trying to kill its own gaem? Don't you want more players? Think about it before flaming - Canis Ferox +ö+ò+P+æ+Ö
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 251	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:20:00 - [409] - Quote Canis Ferox wrote: CCP Rouge 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. CCP Rouge I am prepared to get hated for the following statement: [:oops wrote: I want to keep my name, that is all. Please don't transfer my 16 million SP or some people's 50 million SP over to PL! Please don't! It'll be an INSTANT game killer for any new players. We already have a huge advantage, as Dust players, in understanding the maps, weapons, mechanics, equipment and general strategies within the game. If you give the Veteran, Proto-Stomping Elite all their SP in the future game, they'll be an even larger gap between them and new players than there ever was in Dust: You'll carry with it all the problems that stopped new players from staying more than 5 minutes in Dust - into Project Legion - same mistakes - same outcome; failure. When will CCP learn from its mistakes? And when will the community stop trying to kill its own gaem? Don't you want more players? Think about it before flaming - Canis Ferox With any luck when Legion is released, they will have a working matchmaking system and larger player numbers. This means the SP gap won't matter. Newbies will play with newbies, vets will play with vets.
George Moros Balkan Express Squad 343	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:23:00 - [410] - Quote Canis Ferox wrote: CCP Rouge 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. CCP Rouge I am prepared to get hated for the following statement: [:oops wrote: I want to keep my name, that is all. Please don't transfer my 16 million SP or some people's 50 million SP over to PL! Please don't! It'll be an INSTANT game killer for any new players. We already have a huge advantage, as Dust players, in understanding the maps, weapons, mechanics, equipment and general strategies within the game. If you give the Veteran, Proto-Stomping Elite all their SP in the future game, they'll be an even larger gap between them and new players than there ever was in Dust: You'll carry with it all the problems that stopped new players from staying more than 5 minutes in Dust - into Project Legion - same mistakes - same outcome; failure. When will CCP learn from its mistakes? And when will the community stop trying to kill its own gaem? Don't you want more players? Think about it before flaming - Canis Ferox The issues you are concerned with are completely understandable. However, what you're proposing won't solve anything, it will merely postpone the problem, at best. On top of that, it will completely (and, you have to admit, justifiably) enrage many people who invested a lot of their time and money to develop their characters. EVE has the same problem for years. In fact, EVE has the same problem increased by several-fold. And it solves it quite simply. It enables veterans to have better things to do other than harassing and stomping noobs. There's no particular game mechanic that stops them from doing so - they simply have better things to do. Who would want to harass noobs, when they can blow up capital ships in 0.0, or make billions of ISK in profit by farming wormhole anomalies? Give similar content to Legion veterans, and you will solve the problem. Pulvereus ergo queritor.

ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 558	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:04:00 - [411] - Quote George Moros wrote: Canis Ferox wrote: CCP Rouge 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. CCP Rouge I am prepared to get hated for the following statement: [:oops wrote: I want to keep my name, that is all. Please don't transfer my 16 million SP or some people's 50 million SP over to PL! Please don't! It'll be an INSTANT game killer for any new players. We already have a huge advantage, as Dust players, in understanding the maps, weapons, mechanics, equipment and general strategies within the game. If you give the Veteran, Proto-Stomping Elite all their SP in the future game, they'll be an even larger gap between them and new players than there ever was in Dust: You'll carry with it all the problems that stopped new players from staying more than 5 minutes in Dust - into Project Legion - same mistakes - same outcome; failure. When will CCP learn from its mistakes? And when will the community stop trying to kill its own gaem? Don't you want more players? Think about it before flaming - Canis Ferox The issues you are concerned with are completely understandable. However, what you're proposing won't solve anything, it will merely postpone the problem, at best. On top of that, it will completely (and, you have to admit, justifiably) enrage many people who invested a lot of their time and money to develop their characters. EVE has the same problem for years. In fact, EVE has the same problem increased by several-fold. And it solves it quite simply. It enables veterans to have better things to do other than harassing and stomping noobs. There's no particular game mechanic that stops them from doing so - they simply have better things to do. Who would want to harass noobs, when they can blow up capital ships in 0.0, or make billions of ISK in profit by farming wormhole anomalies? Give similar content to Legion veterans, and you will solve the problem. This guy understands! ^ Arbitrary limits are not really needed, if the game actually has progression built in like EVE does. High sec for noobs, low sec for the more adventurous, wormholes and Nullsec for the truly daring and brave... Markdown:

CCP Rouge C C P C C P Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:16:00 - [412] - Quote Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such.

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 404	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:19:00 - [413] - Quote You should have said that from the get-go. It would have made things much easier. However, what about the smaller patches that have been promised? Is it just balancing and matchmaking or will you add the last remaining vehicles and weapons?
Tomoko Kawase Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:22:00 - [414] - Quote Can't wait! Super hyped for Legion!
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 819	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:25:00 - [415] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Jets -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
martinofski Onsencaliss 345	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:35:00 - [416] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi I did feel the new direction make sence in some way. Too bad I am a console player with no fund to put in a computer for a while. Out of sony supervision, you might get less gates to pass for each development add-ons, a better engine, increased possibilities, etc. I would probably advice to have a sticky thread to get created to gatter feedback from the trailer and conferences we saw at fanfest. I guess it is time to get that feedback now and get a dev to clean the responses which aren't objectives. Keep that trash talking in the GD. Soon, we should get a trailer about huge map, traveled across in a dropship or LAV, to show we can do huge maps...and 100 vs 100 battles. Let's see the real benefit of moving to PC. Try stuff and show us that prototype built progress! what you tried didn't work? Tell us why and move to the next iteration. Merci.
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 259	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:49:00 - [417] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ***. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. ........I'm just going to thank you for the post and leave it at that. I would love to see more of these here* instead of a dev blog. I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1173	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:50:00 - [418] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Just one comment, all you had to do was listen to CPM and I hope you pound that home with your bosses. Dust Veteran.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1664	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:55:00 - [419] - Quote Hello Rouge. It is nice to see posts from you. Considering the Universe has conspired against you, I am surprised to see it. Also, I look forward to crop dusting you if I ever see you in person. Speaking as one of the angry faces, most of the complaints aren't DUST 514 are going to PC. There is some, to be sure, but it is located around the console only guys or the people that would have bought a PS3 just for DUST. I know my dad would have been in the second camp had he not, almost miraculously, won a PS3 from work a month before open beta. The anger is mostly about the lack of information and how shockingly horrific the announcement was. Though the bait and switch aspect of "DUST 514 could never be what we wanted on the PS3" and reading interview notes that "we have learned a lot from the mistakes of DUST and we look forward to correcting them in Legion" is a sore spot as well. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
GerAseR United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:55:00 - [420] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. Oh come on, don't complicate it. On PS4 you do not need any features for up or down scaling. But im sure you have the stats from EVE to see what the lowest spec is for your "critical mass". Can you give us any numbers what critical mass means? ^^@upsGerAseR <-> ups-clan.com^^

Frame Halgorbor Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:59:00 - [421] - Quote Canis Ferox wrote: CCP Rouge 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. CCP Rouge I am prepared to get hated for the following statement: [:oops wrote: I want to keep my name, that is all. Please don't transfer my 16 million SP or some people's 50 million SP over to PL! Please don't! It'll be an INSTANT game killer for any new players. We already have a huge advantage, as Dust players, in understanding the maps, weapons, mechanics, equipment and general strategies within the game. If you give the Veteran, Proto-Stomping Elite all their SP in the future game, they'll be an even larger gap between them and new players than there ever was in Dust: You'll carry with it all the problems that stopped new players from staying more than 5 minutes in Dust - into Project Legion - same mistakes - same outcome; failure. When will CCP learn from its mistakes? And when will the community stop trying to kill its own gaem? Don't you want more players? Think about it before flaming - Canis Ferox you are and idiot and have obviously not put time or any real money into the game, could you sit in the corner and let the adults speak You knew from the start your plans/death for Dust 514 May 5th month of 2014 Feck you, and your lies
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1684	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:01:00 - [422] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. I've written you an open letter with constructive Project Legion feedback. Please read it when you have the opportunity. I'm really struggling to understand why DUST can't evolve into Legion. For example, I assume Legion will have Amarr and Minmatarr vehicles, turrets, and at least 2 more heavy weapons. You're going to need to produce those assets. Why not produce them now, and release/balance them in DUST and use that data for Project Legion? Best PvE idea ever!
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:04:00 - [423] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Good post, thank you. Finally something that has a ring of honest heart vs unpleasant truth in it... I was starting to feel unjustified in my efforts to defend your "bad" choices
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3549	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:15:00 - [424] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again... For me, the issue isn't migrating from PS3 to the PC. I think that is a necessary change and should have been the platform of choice from the beginning. Once again the real issue is communication. You should have come to us months ago and admitted that the PS3 was a dead end and that you would begin the migration but it would take time. As a new EP you had the opportunity to come in, plant your flag, and say, "what came before me isn't working and I'm going to fix it." Were you expecting to keep up income? Tell us that migration of characters and assets would have been a high priority. Explain how core concepts might change but you would map the changes to the best of your abilities and compensate us with virtual assets when things didn't map over. The DUST keynote was a complete fiasco. Trying to dazzle us with a flashy demo while not talking about the current game? We're not stupid. You should have lead the presentation with a story of how the PS3 is holding us all back. Explain how limiting it is and how you have a solution. You still haven't even committed to Legion. Its still just a tech demo. What angered me the most is seeing the poor quality level of Uprising 1.8 and realizing that we'd be suffering with the "B-team" for another two years as your best developers concentrated on Legion (which isn't even a sure thing). CCP Shanghai's inability to even delivery accurate patch notes has baffled me. A feel like an ass for telling someone how to do their job but I was so frustrated about weak patch notes I sent CCP Frame advice on how to get that data out of developers. I've mentioned it in my tweets but I'll say it again here. DUST is dead to me. I'll return to try out Legion but the implementation of DUST has been handled so poorly and I'm just too tired of CCP presenting big ideas and failing to deliver them. I recommend you look at how Star Citizen is handling things. They have two to three videos per week, a massive monthly update blog, a monthly magazine and full transparency of development. We're still at least a year out for the single player game and two for the MMO yet the players are well informed and flexible as the design evolves. Players can be happy even without a working product if they can see progress. CCP Shanghai doesn't need quite that level of communication but you can certainly take inspiration from it. Hiding from social media for the first months of your leadership? Yeah, that wasn't a good move. Commit. Communicate. Be completely transparent. If you do those three things I will be back for Legion. Retired to an undisclosed fishing cabin on Pator // @ReesNoturana
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 992	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:22:00 - [425] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. CCP Rouge, What you said is very accurate, however, still stinging to some the loyal console players that invested time and money into the game and building the community. That said, you have some great opportunities to go forward in a very positive way and some of us want to help you and make that invested time worth it in the end. We are just asking you to acknowledge that and make realizing that return on the current community's investment a priority. Let me be clear, I am HUGE fan of CCP making the definitive step to deliver the vision that we (you and us) share for the Dust / Legion and it's place in the EVE universe. No matter what platform CCP decided on moving to there you would have to decrement the effort on Dust and honestly I think few of us would have argued much as long as you clearly described what you would do to keep Dust an engaging experience for a very loyal player base that would be the initial population that steps into Legion and hits the ground running. Recommendations: 1) Continually work to balance and game play lessons in Dust that can be of value to Legion. 2) Deliver quality community events and perhaps a small bit of content here and there. Fix bugs, optimize the current game play. 3) Communicate with the community regularly and early in your processes. We give feedback and we want to engage with you; try to be more accessible with youtube messages, regular podcast visits, forum appearances and devblogs. 4) Reward those that stick with you. We want to be part of what you are creating and we want our time and effort to matter. 5) Last point... a lot of folks that came to this game are primary or only console players. Work to give them a reason to invest trust back into you and CCP. I appreciate the work you and CCP Shanghai are doing and as aggravating or frustrating as things can get on occasion Dust and EVE have brought me a lot of friends and fun. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 121	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:26:00 - [426] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 406	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:31:00 - [427] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Yeah, that statement is pretty laughable.
Jebus McKing HMG Delivery Service 436	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:00:00 - [428] - Quote Can we haz SteamOS/Linux support for Legion, Mr. Rouge, please? @JebusMcKing
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5388	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:00:00 - [429] - Quote I've said this before, some of it here, some elsewhere, but here goes. Before I begin though, thank you, Rouge, for coming back and responding here. Now we need a deadline (and one you stick to) for clear answers to a few key questions. Not the least of which is how much of our stuff will really be carrying over, and what we'll be getting as compensation for whatever we have that can't be carried over. But I guess this should be listed so it's clear. QUESTIONS REQUIRING CLEAR ANSWERS: 1. EXACTLY how much of our characters' inventories and skill sets will carry over? 2. EXACTLY which items/types of item will be missing? 3. EXACTLY what compensation are we getting for the DUST content which won't be transferring? QUESTIONS CURRENTLY UN-ANSWERED: 1. What compensation will be given to those console-focused players who were encouraged to go to Fanfest and left feeling like this? 2. In the event that Sony doesn't refund someone for content that was purchased based on promises you SHOULD have rescinded as soon as you made the decision to move to PC (after having DUST announced as a planned PS4 title at E3), what compensation will you be offering? This goes at least double, probably TRIPLE, for people caught up in the recent sales.* 3. Is there going to be anything to look forward to for console-exclusive players with no plans to move to PC? There are a good number of players who picked up DUST specifically because they wanted a more involved and compex experience than the average console shooter, but for whatever reason (there are plenty), they don't want to be PC gamers. Or is their only recourse now going to be Armored Core? At least it's currently on sale on PSN right now (Not for much longer though). *NOTE: Sony have been refunding many customers their recent DUST 514 purchases and accepting the reasoning that the products purchased were falsely advertised. The problem is when Sony's support staff don't follow through. NON-CRITICAL, BUT STILL QUITE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS: 1. WHY DID ANYONE AT CCP THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO STAY SILENT THROUGH THE SALES? I can understand wanting to save the big reveal of Legion for Fanfest. I can understand wanting to have sales and make money. What I CAN'T understand is how you failed to realise those two things HAVE to be mutually exclusive. Along with this, I'd like to question the logic behind missing the ACTUALLY SENSIBLE PR OPTION. You could have kept the core of what Legion was meant to be secret. The name, the details, the fact that it's more of a ground-up rebuild than a port of DUST, we didn't need to know that urgently. What we DID need to know urgently was that the "laser focus" has shifted from PS3 with the future on PS4 to PC, PC and more PC with maybe a few minor fixes for that PS3 version that's already here. 2. Would it be possible to develop this PROPERLY as an expansion to DUST? I'm not saying that DUST needs to be included in the full ground-up rebuild. I understand that much of the content we had hoped for in DUST 514 that's going to be in Legion is impractical to try and cram onto a PS3. What should be happening though, is what we were ALWAYS PROMISED for the move to next-gen. DUST continues to be relevant to New Eden while in a pre-Legion state. DUST continues to see expansions and new content until Legion comes out. DUST can be used as a testing ground for some of that content. THE PS3 CAN HANDLE A PLAYER MARKET. THE PS3 CAN HANDLE PVE CONTENT. THE PS3 CAN HANDLE RACIAL PARITY OF HEAVY WEAPONS AND VEHICLES. These things should be considered at the very least in some kind of limited capacity. 4 - 6 player PvE survival missions. Even if it's just a straight horde mode. A player market which doesn't include AUR items, or one which ONLY includes them. Reworking the Railgun Turret into a Pulse Laser turret with only slight tweaks to damage, heat, etc. and only adding a Minmatar turret. No new vehicle types or sub-classes like the old Marauders/Enforcers. Just basic Amarr and Minmatar vehicles of each class to go alongside the ones we already have for Gallente and Caldari. We know a lot of this content is planned, if not immediately (it should be, but may not), then at least fairly early on in Legion. Many of the assets from DUST have clearly been moved into the new engine. It shouldn't be significantly more work to move some assets being developed for Legion back the other way down the pipeline. At present, all we're hearing for DUST is bug fixes, the LONG OVERDUE overhaul on Planetary Conquest, and balance tweaks. That isn't what we signed on for, and it isn't what we have ALWAYS been promised. It's you killing off the game we paid you to create, and spending the money we paid towards it on a new, similar project instead. Even though Legion is a new build in a new engine, it could, like the massive shift into Uprising was, be marketed as a new build for DUST rather than a standalone title. Don't kill us off, even if you're stripping us down and rebuilding us from the ground up. We're clones. We die and are reborn better than we were. We're used to being rebuilt. It's what we do. My character is Garrett Blacknova. When he gets his head blown off by a Shotgunner, he doesn't respawn as GaLegion Blacknova. And he doesn't get killed again and turn into GaLegion BlackLegion. He comes back as Garrett Blacknova, but with a bit more SP than he had last time, and a bit more experience that might help him to see the Shotgunner coming next time, and back up while firing his Rail Rifle into that Shotgunner's face. I've been here since closed beta, and if you guys stop screwing up and handle the transition to PC right, I'll be sticking around for a while and moving to PC with you. If you continue down the current path, then you're losing my support, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Justice Darling King Brothers 63	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:01:00 - [430] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2062	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:02:00 - [431] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. ... My own reaction to our current situation is much the same as Reav's. The move to development on PC is a logical imperative, there is nothing to argue with there. What is infuriating and distasteful is the way CCP has chosen to deceive and mistreat players. These are people who have invested heavily in a deeply flawed and poorly reviewed product for the sake of contributing in whatever ways they could to the development process and doing their part to help achieve the original vision for DUST 514. There are no excuses here, only choices and consequences. The developers are all adults and know how to treat people right. The behavior of CCP in this instance is nonsensical since their entire business is based around building long-term relationships with players. At any rate i'm retiring from New Eden, DUST and EVE both, and will find other ways to get my VR kick than Valkyrie. Legion will be my reentry to New Eden, if and only if CCP demonstrates a newfound respect for the people who invest in their products, elevates open communication on these forums to EVE standards, and makes redress for their cynical mistreatment of their DUST playerbase. I support SP rollover.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 174	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:05:00 - [432] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Yeah, that statement is pretty laughable. I think Dust 514 is a great shooter, and I have played a lot of different FPS, both on PC and console. The definition of "great" differ from person to person, and it does not HAVE to be about fluid gameplay, detailed textures and spot on hit detection (which I agree Dust lacks). It can still be great for other reasons.
SubZero DeZigns Don't ask me to Corp 53	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:05:00 - [433] - Quote Why don't you fix the gawd damn hit detection. This BS shooting someone and getting nothing but shield flash after shield flash, emptying my clip and they return fire with one, two shots I'm dead is getting ridiculous! Or Fix the damn chat channel. Typing to local and waiting for a match and getting tossed into a team and your text gets sent to the Team chat is freaking annoying. This ***** been there for A LONG TIME! Please for the love of god. Fix the crap that needs to be fixed and quit f-cking other stuff up. BTW, You ppl didn't fix the forge gun from 1.8 with your little synchronizing update. All I can say to you ppl that ranted and raged and went on a vehicle spamming spree is this: hahahaha haaahaaa haaahaaa hahahahahah That's what you get for jumping to conclusions! Please bring in more so we all can help you waste it all way.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:08:00 - [434] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Commit. Communicate. Be completely transparent. I second this attitude. I have no doubts about your overall commitment to innovation. However communication and transparency are key to building a true partnership with your customers - forged to outlast the inevitable setbacks in such an ambitious project. That's what CPM is for and they did warn you against the naivet+¬ of unavailing your shiny new plan without prior ground work. After all, if we are in it for the long run what is the rush? Correct me if I am wrong but this is the journey so far: Despite all your efforts DUST has been a disappointment, ( for DEVs and players alike), the scepticism and pressure of the community was there from the start and it has been chipping away on your fortitude, and most certainly finances so in the excitement and scramble to salvage the situation, when the new hope in the form was Legion was born you took a shortcut. - Instead of a carful operation with a scalpel you came to the party (literally - fanfest ) with a chainsaw.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2064	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:12:00 - [435] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Agreed Ankbar. That statement does not contribute to his credibility. Perhaps Rouge does not understand that we weren't playing and investing in DUST for it's qualities as a shooter(DUST 514), but rather for our commitment to a vision shared with CCP. I support SP rollover.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 3038	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:35:00 - [436] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Agreed Ankbar. That statement does not contribute to his credibility. Perhaps Rouge does not understand that we weren't playing and investing in DUST for it's qualities as a shooter(DUST 514), but rather for our commitment to a vision shared with CCP. Are u people for real, your not coming off as cool clear or witty, your coming off as assholes and best examples of how useless and stuiped most of this communty is "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Namirial Kensai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 48	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:42:00 - [437] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. well, if you CAN get stuff transferred, can you make a Templar suit variant for all thsoe people who ahd the collectors edition? and make it tradable for when/if you guys do a "one character - 3 games" style thing we can put the templar duit on our EVE main?
iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 42	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:00:00 - [438] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Two questions: Could you or your team provide a preliminary list of required, recommended, optimal PC system requirements for Legion? Could you provide some estimate of when initial testing might begin? When beta might be completed?
The Noob Destroyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 793	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:08:00 - [439] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first?. but pc wasn't first. consoles were. pc was second. rest of argument is now invalid. CCP fanfest 2014
TITANIC Xangore Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 468	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:17:00 - [440] - Quote CCP Rouge: Just because you can't place a 10 year plan on it (CCP has stated in the past, numerous times a 5 year plan). You could have given us something. There are many great shooters on the PS3, many better then DUST, many that get game play mechanics, get balance, get vehicle play. Many that outshine what you have given us. And now, you are splitting the development team, taking resources away that could have made DUST into what you promised us it would be. This could have easily translated as a move to the PS4 in the furure. But no. Instead you gave us a presentation that said *uck you players. We no longer even care about DUST, we care so little for that game that when we hold a keynote presentation, we are not even going to talk about that game, and instead talk about a whole nother game. This is where we feel slighted. Gamers like myself that have put in countless hours, looking towards the future, hoping for more and more content, more maps, more players, more types of matches, more configurability of our mercs. And the possibility of making a difference in the bigger picture, EVE. Even in this new game we are told it won't matter, that the game is stand alone, that our influence in the universe will be negligible. Honestly, the way I feel is that CCP used us as a clandestine crowd funding group. You offered ton's of AUR gear, bought with real cash, and took that money and used it for things outside of DUST. I am one that does not pay for in game stuff, but I gave in to you, to your promises, to your universe and i ponied up cash for AUR so I could get some boosters, things to get a head, I'll never make that mistake again, and i hope any one coming in to this game from now, until you turns the servers off never pays another dime to you. I do play EVE, and i pay my monthly fees there, it's simpler to pay fees then grind isk to plex. My time is worth more then that. but there you have given me a game that works, one that give me choice and allows me to make a difference, so i pay you for that. If DUST were a pay to play game, It would have failed long ago and you would have 1/10th the players on here. I hope Legion succeeds, I really do. i won't play it, I'll keep grinding in the stars, but i'll play DUST until my corp goes belly up, because at this point, they are the best part of this game and the reason I still play.

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 406	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:17:00 - [441] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ..while it's a great shooter, I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really, do you think the numbers support that opinion, or are you just biased? Yeah, that statement is pretty laughable. I think Dust 514 is a great shooter, and I have played a lot of different FPS, both on PC and console. The definition of "great" differ from person to person, and it does not HAVE to be about fluid gameplay, detailed textures and spot on hit detection (which I agree Dust lacks). It can still be great for other reasons. I personally hate 99% of modern shooters because I grew up on competitive RTS gaming. The closest shooters to RTS are arena games, not the tactical slow as **** FPS that we get these days. I want my Quake and Serious Sam. And I won't get it. The second best thing was Crysis 3. I'm still furious at how horribly it's been handled by EA. Titanfall is nice, but it's another of the "let's murder it with DLC to push out yearly sequels" kind of game. My hope is that Legion will have faster scouts and jetpack equipment, as well as more involved sniping mechanics. Also, I hope that the vehicle gameplay will get more involved. It should be even more crazy than the dropship controls. I simply love the idea of all specialized players not just having better gear for their job (due to unlocks), but also being actual specialists due to the heavy demands that a role places on a player. Currently, the game lacks that diversity and heavies are barely different from scouts, aside that reloading constantly will kill you as a heavy.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 444	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:23:00 - [442] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again... For me, the issue isn't migrating from PS3 to the PC. I think that is a necessary change and should have been the platform of choice from the beginning. Once again the real issue is communication. You should have come to us months ago and admitted that the PS3 was a dead end and that you would begin the migration but it would take time. As a new EP you had the opportunity to come in, plant your flag, and say, "what came before me isn't working and I'm going to fix it." Were you expecting to keep up income? Tell us that migration of characters and assets would have been a high priority. Explain how core concepts might change but you would map the changes to the best of your abilities and compensate us with virtual assets when things didn't map over. The DUST keynote was a complete fiasco. Trying to dazzle us with a flashy demo while not talking about the current game? We're not stupid. You should have lead the presentation with a story of how the PS3 is holding us all back. Explain how limiting it is and how you have a solution. You still haven't even committed to Legion. Its still just a tech demo. What angered me the most is seeing the poor quality level of Uprising 1.8 and realizing that we'd be suffering with the "B-team" for another two years as your best developers concentrated on Legion (which isn't even a sure thing). CCP Shanghai's inability to even delivery accurate patch notes has baffled me. A feel like an ass for telling someone how to do their job but I was so frustrated about weak patch notes I sent CCP Frame advice on how to get that data out of developers. I've mentioned it in my tweets but I'll say it again here. DUST is dead to me. I'll return to try out Legion but the implementation of DUST has been handled so poorly and I'm just too tired of CCP presenting big ideas and failing to deliver them. I recommend you look at how Star Citizen is handling things. They have two to three videos per week, a massive monthly update blog, a monthly magazine and full transparency of development. We're still at least a year out for the single player game and two for the MMO yet the players are well informed and flexible as the design evolves. Players can be happy even without a working product if they can see progress. CCP Shanghai doesn't need quite that level of communication but you can certainly take inspiration from it. Hiding from social media for the first months of your leadership? Yeah, that wasn't a good move. Commit. Communicate. Be completely transparent. If you do those three things I will be back for Legion. Amen. Quoted so people who arent fully reading thread may see. Hopefully CCP takes this to heart and plants it squarely next to their monitors as they work in developing future products. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5613	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:34:00 - [443] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking **. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Probably the most important post in the Dust Forum's history. I especially like that you mentioned ISD because, to me, that feels like we (finally) made an impact at Fanfest Another thing about PS4 I want to mention to people as a lot of them are saying "Why not PS4 first?" is that, it's just basic numbers. 60-80 million people on PC (some articles suggest more) and maybe 8-10 million on PS4, currently. Obviously that will change now that PS4 is finally in stock but there's also the fact that these guys would have to go through Sony to make changes, whereas on PC they're free to make rapid iterations. As far as testing the game to make sure it's done correctly, it makes perfect sense to go on PC first. I think what a lot of people are looking for, and mostly why the fanbase is so pissed off right now, is because there's no guarantee that it will be on PS4. Obviously, you (CCP Rouge) can't guarantee that yet because Legion itself hasn't been green lit. Is there anything you think you can say that will help calm some of those fears? Perhaps elaborate more on this?: Quote:** "Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier." Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Chime Jigme Gallente Anarchist Movement Extraordinaire 3	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:55:00 - [444] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: ...we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Then why not (laser)focus on a product that you already have up and running (Dust 514), instead of some prototype project that may or may not ever get released? Make it the best you can for us all to enjoy, learn from it and then, bit by bit, implement the assets and knowhow into Project Legion. Right now the development team is like a bunch of dudes on speed, dashing from awesome project to awesome project without actually getting anything done :D
Liner ReXiandra Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:56:00 - [445] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: ...it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether so Is the realisation that the PS3 is a dead-end in terms of delivering a shooter that'll last for years, one that CCP made after you arrived at the company, or was something brewing already? I can't disagree with the choice to move to PC; though I'm interested in why this move was made now; and not when Dust 514 was announced many years ago. It was the first question on everyone's mind back then: "why develop a shooter that should last for years on a console that's nearing it's end of life?" Can imagine it made sense from a financial point of view; but still that's poor decision-making (back then).
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 444	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:17:00 - [446] - Quote 60-80 million people on PC - I hate these numbers because they dont reflect any truth with regards to the target of this game. If that was so then CCP would have never wasted their time on PS3 unless they foolishly thought '80 million PS3's' meant they were going to garner most of that customer base. Even Sony is seeing how fast the PS3 crowd is starting to dry up as PS3 sales have dropped off dramatically and they still havent reached production capacity to meet PS4 demand. I am not saying this to say PS4 is the way to go, just that I think CCP is going PC because it is just easier for them and the market will take care of itself after. "Shine bright like a diamond"
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3170	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:45:00 - [447] - Quote From this thread. John Demonsbane wrote: Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you. Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better. Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players. Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both. Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened: 1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date. 2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GÇª I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO! 3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one! You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer. Good day to you, sirs! o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Void Echo Total Extinction 2527	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 - [448] - Quote Regardless of character and asset transfers, if your not going to bring Legion to the PS4 in the future (IDC when as long as it doesnt interfeer with my dust gameplay) then dont bother with trying to make it look nice for dust payers. Dust 514 is strictly a CONSOLE GAME, NOT A PC GAME, and anything pertaining to a PC release and no word on whats happening to console releases is straight up microsoft style bullshit. I will NOT join Legion if it doesn't end up on PS4 and nether will ALOT of your dust playerbase. I have no intention of becoming a PC FPS player for any reason. Making Legion look like a PC only game was one of the worst mistakes youv ever made as a company. Your alienating your console players by saying "If you want to stay, switch to PC". Character transfers are the least of concerns for those of us who have no intention of going to PC. Either MAKE plans for PS4 version of Legion or your can say goodby to alot of dust players when this hits. Closed Beta Vet. Dust Bunnie to the end. Someone has to stay on the sinking ship till everyone is safe. :P
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 266	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:08:00 - [449] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again... ....I recommend you look at how Star Citizen is handling things. They have two to three videos per week, a massive monthly update blog, a monthly magazine and full transparency of development. We're still at least a year out for the single player game and two for the MMO yet the players are well informed and flexible as the design evolves. Players can be happy even without a working product if they can see progress. CCP Shanghai doesn't need quite that level of communication but you can certainly take inspiration from it. Hiding from social media for the first months of your leadership? Yeah, that wasn't a good move. Commit. Communicate. Be completely transparent..... This, please. I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5396	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:33:00 - [450] - Quote Liner ReXiandra wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: ...it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether so Is the realisation that the PS3 is a dead-end in terms of delivering a shooter that'll last for years, one that CCP made after you arrived at the company, or was something brewing already? I can't disagree with the choice to move to PC; though I'm interested in why this move was made now; and not when Dust 514 was announced many years ago. It was the first question on everyone's mind back then: "why develop a shooter that should last for years on a console that's nearing it's end of life?" Can imagine it made sense from a financial point of view; but still that's poor decision-making (back then). The plan was ALWAYS to move to a next-gen platform (whether console or PC) at some point in the future. The problem is that they aren't MOVING THE GAME to a new platform as promised, they're creating a NEW GAME on the new platform and abandoning the old one.

Liner ReXiandra Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:46:00 - [451] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: The problem is that they aren't MOVING THE GAME to a new platform as promised, they're creating a NEW GAME on the new platform and abandoning the old one. Semantics? Or did you think they would let you shoot a PS4 player in the face while you were playing Dust on your PS3? That'll be another first in computer gaming.
Bremen van Equis The Exemplars Top Men. 1	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:48:00 - [452] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: [quote=Liner ReXiandra][quote=CCP Rouge] I can't disagree with the choice to move to PC; though I'm interested in why this move was made now; and not when Dust 514 was announced many years ago. It was the first question on everyone's mind back then: "why develop a shooter that should last for years on a console that's nearing it's end of life?" Sony approaches CCP (or vice versa) to barter Sony's financial support for CCP's EVE community. Sony gets a boost in end-of-life sales for the PS3, CCP gets to try its hand in the console community and make some $$ along the way. ...and if more of the community came over to DUST they would have continued support and an a port/sequel on PS4...but that didn't happen. Just a guess.......
The Noob Destroyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 802	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:21:00 - [453] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: From this thread. John Demonsbane wrote: Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you. Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better. Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players. Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both. Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened: 1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date. 2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GÇª I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO! 3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one! You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer. Good day to you, sirs! This. CCP fanfest 2014
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 45	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:23:00 - [454] - Quote ccp should support the community if all our request put it on the ps4 or both pc so go ccp listen to your fans costumer and the community and yeh ccp you promised all the new maps and other things you will put on dust514 last fanfest now we saw it now its on legion all your promise are all lies we should be playing that lava map right now but its on legion ;(
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 180	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:26:00 - [455] - Quote For everyone asking about details on how characters would transfer over and other specifics, they don't know yet. Legion seems to have some serious legs on it for the short time it's been in progress but you can't possibly expect them to know these details yet and frankly I would be deeply disappointed if they did as it would mean they are once again focusing in too narrowly before nailing down the broad issues of the game. For feedback, I have a computer that is not particularly bad but is nowhere near great and I have no problems running eve on middle graphics with some effects on, for two different clients. CCP has done well with EVE in making it very forgiving on a range of computers. Now that Legion has been started I just wish it had been greenlit long ago. It's a shame Dust took so long to get to where it did but Legion can take it where it should have been. Focus entirely on Legion and make the game we all wanted to see.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:57:00 - [456] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. I apologize for anything bad I had to say about this idea. Sorry, I was under the impression that SONY would take control of the IPR and hold fast to whatever characters were made using PSNIDs and feel that the product will be greatly improved by moving to the PC. My outrage was also based on the short life of Dust as we know it, although with the slow development of features and maps I know now that I have been expecting too much out of an always in Beta product and old console. You wouldn't happen to have a mold I could use to manufacture a coffee coaster out of my PS3 (GOTY Ed.) I can't seem to get my coffee cup to balance on it right.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10763	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:59:00 - [457] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking **. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. So no new weapons while we spend years waiting for Legion to release... Gû¦Supreme god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ**Gû+
Stine Control Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 95	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:15:00 - [458] - Quote The Plan : Dust 514 + EvE Legion - my thoughts
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5412	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:17:00 - [459] - Quote Liner ReXiandra wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: The problem is that they aren't MOVING THE GAME to a new platform as promised, they're creating a NEW GAME on the new platform and abandoning the old one. Semantics? Or did you think they would let you shoot a PS4 player in the face while you were playing Dust on your PS3? That'll be another first in computer gaming. A crossover period, much like the transition periods in EVE Online when they gradually phase out support for lower-end PCs, was something to be expected. And I don't think having people playing across both PS3 and PS4 is unreasonable for a team that allowed PS3 gamers to send targeting data to someone in a PC game that isn't even in the same genre, and have that PC player fire shots using that data which land back in the PS3 game.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 177	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:35:00 - [460] - Quote @CCP Rouge One of my prime interest in Dust was with the EVE - Dust link, and especially the orbital bombardment. As both a Dust and EVE player have have been on both sides of a strike (and sometimes simultaneously), and it was freaking awesome. With that said, the problem with this major feature was that very few people actually experienced it like I have, and most people were just tired of OB spam (this is something you actually should look at fixing for Dust by the way). With Legion, both new and veteran players need to really feel apart of new Eden, not just cosmetic like chat or corp membership, but have mechanics that benefits both games. - As a EVE player in want to hire mercs to do my bidding. When things go south, or I just feel like it, I want to bomb them to ... dust? . I want to scan for exotic material and hire mercs to go and get it from the clutches of evil drones. I want to transfer mercs in my ship to a new base station, and chat with them along the way. - As a merc, I want to actively help capturing POS:es around planets. I want to go on solo cloaking infiltration missions behind enemy Guristas lines to sabotage their base. I want to assemble my team to ambush merc who are foolish enough to scavenge materials "in our space". I want to fight for the victory of the Caldari state while capsuleers fight in the sky. Phuu, I guess you get my point. Please please please make meaningful interaction between EVE and Legion, and let the "sandbox" contain a multitude of various missions, not just Fed Ex quests killing drones to feed the Legion? economy. And (this is a big one for me), explain all the in game mechanic in Lore. Don't let us just teleport around in the galaxy (without changing local chat), magically bringing all our assets with us, without explaining why... And preferably don't allow it, period. And finally, please include this at launch of Legion (provided there is one). Take your time to get things right, and don't rush a half finished product out the door and say "we add it later". Let's do it right this time.

villdoc Better Hide R Die 8	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:44:00 - [461] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. LOL CCP has BARELY gave us any of the features that were promised. The VITA app was a joke. Thanks for the good times
Badgerr Rager Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 794	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:46:00 - [462] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ***. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. A Big FUUUUCKK YOU and the rest of CCP. This doesn't ease my hate to you asssss hats. I would like CCP to Biomass Legion. You pieces of Sht
Megan Steel DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs 79	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:11:00 - [463] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. ... Understand Rouge aujourd'hui je etait seul... Ce jeux est une bonne id+¬e, mas mon cher ami no vont par jour avec moi... Je parle fran+ºais terriblement... pardon My whole corp is moving to Destiny, they aren't buying the new project idea... They are really afraid that CCP changes idea again... How can I know you guys are really keeping your world this time... Also... Specs ASAP, even if it's a basic idea...
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:39:00 - [464] - Quote Quote: A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost way more than a ps4. A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost more than a PS4's initial purchase cost, but you can play BF4 on it whenever you want without having to keep paying a subscription fee every month. By the time you've been playing for a year, the cost is going to be close to even, if not unbalanced in favour of the PC being the cheaper option.[/quote] You're jumping the gun here a bit on the issue of total cost. You're assuming Legion will be F2P, just like DUST514. How do you know it won't move to a subcription model like EVE instead? I totally understand why all the console players are going apeshit over this. Yes, a PC can be very cheap to build, but that only applies to using it for email or to browse the web. If you want a good gaming rig, it will cost more than any console now or in the future. How many EVE players are still playing on the same PC they started EVE on? I'm willing to bet many have put in significant investments into their rigs and continue to do so as EVE has progressed in both game and graphical complexity. Also I tend to agree that the PS4 and XBOX ONE are closer to PCs in their current archeitecture than any previous generation consoles. They both use AMD CPUs and ATI graphics cores. Unreal4 has been ported to work on these consoles, so there is not a great technical limitation to getting Legion running on all these platforms - IF the proper planning was done ahead of time for this. The only real limitation is the limited memory available and that should only affect the graphical quality due to the necessity of using lower quality textures.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 560	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:46:00 - [465] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Regardless of character and asset transfers, if your not going to bring Legion to the PS4 in the future (IDC when as long as it doesnt interfeer with my dust gameplay) then dont bother with trying to make it look nice for dust payers. Dust 514 is strictly a CONSOLE GAME, NOT A PC GAME, and anything pertaining to a PC release and no word on whats happening to console releases is straight up microsoft style bullshit. I will NOT join Legion if it doesn't end up on PS4 and nether will ALOT of your dust playerbase. I have no intention of becoming a PC FPS player for any reason. Making Legion look like a PC only game was one of the worst mistakes youv ever made as a company. Your alienating your console players by saying "If you want to stay, switch to PC". Character transfers are the least of concerns for those of us who have no intention of going to PC. Either MAKE plans for PS4 version of Legion or your can say goodby to alot of dust players when this hits. And EVE was strictly a PC game not a console game. Now you PS3 players know how us EVE players felt when we found out DUST was going to be a console game and not on CCP`s home turf = the PC. I understand that for console players, this turn of events is shocking and surprising. Its surprising for me too considering I have been moaning for a PC version of dust for years. However Legion is going to be where it belongs, on PC along with EVE. I see that as truly the best way to guarantee the games can have interconnected meaningful gameplay experiences. I always had doubts about console to pc interaction. Markdown:
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:23:00 - [466] - Quote Ghural wrote: So if we don't actually get to keep all our stuff (CCP has told lies before), the community will ensure that Legion will be a failure. You have been warned. Again. What is it about CCP execs that they feel they don't need to listen to the playerbase/CPM? The general term used to describe this is ARROGANCE (or stupidity take your pick). But to be more specific, the bigger problem lies in the fact that the company as a whole spent too much time listening to EVE players and not enough time listening to the community that plays this game. Why? Probably because they make way more money with EVE than they did on DUST. I'm not trying to dis on EVE players as I know there are quite a few that play DUST as well - but DUST514 had to stand on its own as a game with all the things promised by CCP, instead of it becoming whatever it was the EVE players wanted it to be. Frankly, many EVE players didn't support or understand consoles or the necessity of DUST514 on the PS3 in the first place. It's no wonder that CCP made a mess of DUST because they were listening to the wrong userbase. I own consoles and a PC gaming rig both, but truthfully, I find myself using my consoles for gaming more than my PC. The reason is that I prefer to spend my money on games rather than the necessity of continuing to upgrade my PC for the next big thing that just pushed the hardware requirements that much higher. Great graphics doesn't make a good game. A good game is what makes a good game. I read an argument somewhere on this forum that there are more FPSs being played on PCs than on consoles, therefore that is why Legion belongs on a PC. I call BS on that. All the heavy hitters are already on the PC. What makes CCP so sure they can win the battle for eyeballs in such a competitive landscape? EVE makes up a much smaller subset of the eyeballs that CCP would be competing for and that's CCP's most readily addressable market. Put another way, in warfare you hit the enemy where they are weakest, you don't rush headlong into their main strength to get decimated. An MMO shooter with connection to a persistent universe, cross-platform continues to be unique in the console space. I believe the original strategic thinking by CCP on this was actually correct. The problem was that the PS3 lacked the power and was too difficult to develop on for a company with a strong PC development background. That changes with the next-gen consoles. Admittedly, development on consoles can be a bit limiting, even on the new, next-gen boxes; but there are advantages as well. The biggest is that you have an unchanging target platform. With enough QA testing COUGH COUGH, you can be assured that the code will run correctly on the vast majority of the target platforms. The PC space is difficult specifically because no two PCs are alike. Problems with a game not working can stem from pretty much anything from outdated drivers to port blocking by your favorite antivirus/firewall software. Did I mention that there is less competition for CCP in the console space? The addressable market on the PS3 is over 80m units worldwide. I suspect that over time, the PS4 will equal or surpass those numbers. You can double that if you want to add in the XBOX ONE as well since both boxes are more alike than different. I suspect Microsoft may be a bit more open this time around to CCP putting DUST 2.0 on their Live service due to their own marketing issues with the XBOX ONE. In the next decade I would hazard a guess of a total addressable market between PS4 and XBOX ONE of at least 160m units. The key difference is that there would be relatively fewer competitors in that space for CCP than if they were to try and slug it out on the PC side. You grow your business by bringing completely new players into the fold, not by trying to re-address your already existing userbase. That is the truest argument I can make to this whole issue.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:48:00 - [467] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: [quote=Kev Crow][quote=Garrett Blacknova] It isn't release-ready, and I've gone on record MANY times saying as much. It's not finished, the code is nowhere near what it needs in the way of optimisation for the PS3. There are multiplayer games on PS3 running in the same game engine CCP used which have (or had in the defunct cases) smooth gameplay, wider FOV, better graphics and still don't cause overheating problems for the console. The problems with DUST aren't inherently because the PS3 can't handle what CCP wanted to make. The problem is that CCP's programmers haven't been able to do what other developers can with the same system. I tend to agree with this. CCP must have done some viability studies to ensure that what they envisioned for DUST514 would be possible to do on the PS3 platform and on PSN. No one walks blindly into failure, unless they're completely incompetent or stupid or both. From the development side, CCP has two problems. The first is that they just don't have enough people. The second, is that they don't have enough people with experience progamming the PS3. I've seen some incredibly complex open world games and shooters done on the PS3: Red Dead Redemption, GTA V, Borderlands 2, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc. The only real limitation is the quality of the graphics, not in what you can or can't do with the game code. I believe that what CCP originally envisioned for the game is possible on the PS3, they just couldn't get it done. I believe that the game can run better but CCP just didn't know how to optimize for the PS3. In that respect, CCP has let us all down. They over-promised and under-delivered and in the process created a vicious cycle of declining revenues/player base that didn't warrant further development efforts.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2814	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:59:00 - [468] - Quote So, CCP Rouge, Let's pretend we're in a perfect world where nobody's got any problem in swapping platform. You said you'll eventually move on next-gen console later. But, seriously, who wants to play on console against PCs? ( Linky) I would assume that it's just damage control. My opinion is still the same, anyway. PC is not the right place for a competitive MMOFPS that influence another game like Eve, and for obvious reasons. Now, let's get back to reality: the community clearly wants Legion. Everyone loves the initial idea brought on next gen. The problem here is the platform, and if you can't see such a problem either you're blind or you're definitely just ignoring your community (the one you love so much ;) ). Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:24:00 - [469] - Quote Meric Voyer wrote: Pliny Eldritch wrote: This... This is just stupid. It's not like this is the first time a change in course from CCP has caused rage and drama, and it sure as &$^% won't be the last. What's sad is that it could have been different this time. As a community, we're all on the same page with CCP about what Dust is lacking. Many of us also agree that the PS3 has started it's long slow slide to oblivion, and that investing massive resources into it is a waste. You could also probably get most of us to admit that the current Dust player base isn't big enough to justify serious ongoing investment. Where things have gone wrong is CCP falling for one of the oldest logical fallacies in Software Engineering. When dealing with a large project that is not working, with no obvious or easy fixes, the answer that always feels easiest is to tear it down and start over. It's also almost always the wrong answer. Dust is broken. But it's still making money. People are playing it, and they're still paying to play it. CCP should take a page from Square Enix's successful reboot of FFXIV. For those unfamiliar, there are some real parallels between the first FFXIV's failure and Dust's current situation. Instead of trying to keep Dust limping along on PS3 while trying to develop an entirely new game on PC, CCP should strongly consider putting Dust on life support now. Keep a couple of devs for critical balance and bug fixes, and give the community some tasty discounts to keep them paying and playing. Use the freed-up devs to expedite a port of the then feature-frozen Dust from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4. Build for both PC and PS4 (as well as the XBone if MS is willing to play ball) simultaneously. It will take longer on the QA end, but if Epic has done their job properly with UE 4, the same code should run on both platforms. Doing both at once makes the Console/PC decision much less expensive in both money and time than porting later. Resist the temptation to do anything but get Dust running on the new systems. Once Dust is playable on PS4 and PC, give PS3 Dust a Matrix Online style send-off. Instead of making people worry about their investments of time and Aurum and how they might transfer into a new game, make the PC and PS4 ports use the same character data. Then start refactoring in all the Project Legion goodness, respeccing and resetting as needed - just like EVE's evolution. ^ Sensible solution. CCP has no sense though, so yeah.... Someone at CCP should hire this guy to be the Game Director for DUST/Legion.
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:04:00 - [470] - Quote Project Legion will and shall fail. First they alienated the Eve community when Dust first launched and now there totally giving the boot to the PSN Community. Instead of knocking down the tower why don't they build it more, move Dust to the Ps4 and so on. It's already a Psn exclusive they have the ability to move it to the next gen console. So many people like myself have spent effort, time, money, and etc into Dust 514 just to see it go. One things for sure, the PSN Community will not make the chance to PC and that's a fact. We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.

Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:29:00 - [471] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: IN CAPS SO THIS IS UNDERSTOOD..... MOST OF US DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT LEGION. WE ARE CONSOLE PLAYERS NOT PC PLAYERS. If Legion becomes a reality, we won't be transitioning to pc for it. Now, you may not care because there are some eve players that will play it and a few others. But you will definitely lose the core group of guys who have been spending hundreds of dollars on dust and helping you guys with the fps design learning curve. Now, you may say, "fugg the console players, there are plenty of pc players that we can tap into"....but then be honest about it. You console players have to understand, that adding bigger stuff into dust would cause the console to explode, they are already struggling with the performance as it is. Dust is by far the maximum what can console handle in mmo, it would perform better in singleplayer. Consoles are made for fast, easy and fun games ... Where do you get your information from? According to you only games like Angry Birds would exist on consoles. Are you forgetting games like GTA V on PS3 offered a large virtual sandbox to play in? Have you seen GTA V for the PC yet? I haven't. Are you forgetting the fact that Battlefield 4 is drawing higher quality graphics on PS3 with larger FOV and longer drawing distances than DUST and still averages a much better framerate? The problem isn't the capability of the consoles, my friend. It's the capability of the developer.
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:33:00 - [472] - Quote They used the PSN Community as Beta testers this whole time. In my eyes and thousands more this was a quick scam for money on a game they developed that they new was going to fail but yet they betrayed lied and forgot about us in the ******* rain We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:36:00 - [473] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: Quote: When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements With only half of the hamsters than were previously assigned to Dust "development' (fixes and balancing); is it safe to assume that the speed and responsiveness we've come to expect from the DUST Dev team will suffer? You're trying to be funny right? Tell me this comment was a joke.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:41:00 - [474] - Quote sammus420 wrote: And how about the 5 year future that CCP was 'confident' about for dust, and all the stuff they talked about in this article? http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-confident-about-dust-514-s-five-year-future-255455.phtml Quote: In its current iteration, Dust 514 is a competitive, player-vs.-player, deathmatch-based affair. However, CCP Shanghai are working on cooperative, player-vs.-environment modes that they hope will encourage corporation-level play: "Survival" is a wave-based Horde mode, and "Infestation" will involve scouring any enemies trying to establish a toehold in corporation-controlled districts. In both modes, groups of players will fight against drones, the so-called "rats" or "mobs" of Dust 514, to gather money and other resources. The idea is that these PvE modes will give players and corps new entry points into the robust in-game economy that ties Dust 514 and EVE Online together. Eventually, CCP plans to implement space elevators to carry those resources from the planetary surfaces of Dust to the orbiting fleets of EVE, linking the two games physically as well as thematically, economically, and structurally. Other upcoming modes include GÇ£Penetration,GÇ¥ which will allow Dust mercenaries to raid and board EVEGÇÖs Titan-class warships, and GÇ£Gladiator,GÇ¥ a set of organized tournaments that will include in-game betting and streaming. Quote: GÇ£GÇÿUprisingGÇÖ is not the end of the major, free updates. WeGÇÖve got quite a few more planned for the rest of 2013 and then out for two years, out for five years, out for ten years, just like EVE.GÇ¥ Oh and here's a GREAT quote, what happened to this? Quote: GÇ£This is the way that CCP does a game,GÇ¥ says Laurino. GÇ£WeGÇÖll never make a Dust 514-2, right?" Nice one.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:47:00 - [475] - Quote Quote: Hey, thanks for the questions and for pointing that stuff out. As part of my responsibilities beyond the email newsletters and trolling the CPM, I also am now looking after all the content on the website. Seems we have some edits to make, obviously, as a result of all that has been going down recently. One of which you have highlighted here - some of that information is out of date in that we won't be making a PS Vita companion app for DUST 514. I'm going to get the website to reflect the current state of affairs with as much as we know for certain for now.[/quote] How can you guys be so out of date with your own information that the public knows about it before you do? And really, do you think we REALLY care about the status of a VITA app considering what has been going down the past few days?
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:49:00 - [476] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Void Echo wrote: Regardless of character and asset transfers, if your not going to bring Legion to the PS4 in the future (IDC when as long as it doesnt interfeer with my dust gameplay) then dont bother with trying to make it look nice for dust payers. Dust 514 is strictly a CONSOLE GAME, NOT A PC GAME, and anything pertaining to a PC release and no word on whats happening to console releases is straight up microsoft style bullshit. I will NOT join Legion if it doesn't end up on PS4 and nether will ALOT of your dust playerbase. I have no intention of becoming a PC FPS player for any reason. Making Legion look like a PC only game was one of the worst mistakes youv ever made as a company. Your alienating your console players by saying "If you want to stay, switch to PC". Character transfers are the least of concerns for those of us who have no intention of going to PC. Either MAKE plans for PS4 version of Legion or your can say goodby to alot of dust players when this hits. And EVE was strictly a PC game not a console game. Now you PS3 players know how us EVE players felt when we found out DUST was going to be a console game and not on CCP`s home turf = the PC. I understand that for console players, this turn of events is shocking and surprising. Its surprising for me too considering I have been moaning for a PC version of dust for years. However Legion is going to be where it belongs, on PC along with EVE. I see that as truly the best way to guarantee the games can have interconnected meaningful gameplay experiences. I always had doubts about console to pc interaction. EDIT - TO THE POSTER ABOVE ME - A reasonable gaming PC can be built or bought for a similar price to the PS4 or Xbox 1. There are many people on the forums as well as many many good websites that demonstrate this. Sure you can spend way more on a PC if you want everything, all the peripherals, top of the range GPU and CPU but by then its big money but you will get extreme performance too. You dont need to spend loads, a decent enough PC can be built for the same money as a PS4. . WELL OBVIOUSLY YOU DONT REALIZE THAT FPS ARE A CONSOLE FAN FAVORITE. I WENT AND BOUGHT A PS3EXCLUSIVELY FOR DUST We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:05:00 - [477] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. ... My own reaction to our current situation is much the same as Reav's. The move to development on PC is a logical imperative, there is nothing to argue with there. What is infuriating and distasteful is the way CCP has chosen to deceive and mistreat players. These are people who have invested heavily in a deeply flawed and poorly reviewed product for the sake of contributing in whatever ways they could to the development process and doing their part to help achieve the original vision for DUST 514. There are no excuses here, only choices and consequences. The developers are all adults and know how to treat people right. The behavior of CCP in this instance is nonsensical since their entire business is based around building long-term relationships with players. At any rate i'm retiring from New Eden, DUST and EVE both, and will find other ways to get my VR kick than Valkyrie. Legion will be my reentry to New Eden, if and only if CCP demonstrates a newfound respect for the people who invest in their products, elevates open communication on these forums to EVE standards, and makes redress for their cynical mistreatment of their DUST playerbase. Well said!
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:10:00 - [478] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Void Echo wrote: Regardless of character and asset transfers, if your not going to bring Legion to the PS4 in the future (IDC when as long as it doesnt interfeer with my dust gameplay) then dont bother with trying to make it look nice for dust payers. Dust 514 is strictly a CONSOLE GAME, NOT A PC GAME, and anything pertaining to a PC release and no word on whats happening to console releases is straight up microsoft style bullshit. I will NOT join Legion if it doesn't end up on PS4 and nether will ALOT of your dust playerbase. I have no intention of becoming a PC FPS player for any reason. Making Legion look like a PC only game was one of the worst mistakes youv ever made as a company. Your alienating your console players by saying "If you want to stay, switch to PC". Character transfers are the least of concerns for those of us who have no intention of going to PC. Either MAKE plans for PS4 version of Legion or your can say goodby to alot of dust players when this hits. And EVE was strictly a PC game not a console game. Now you PS3 players know how us EVE players felt when we found out DUST was going to be a console game and not on CCP`s home turf = the PC. I understand that for console players, this turn of events is shocking and surprising. Its surprising for me too considering I have been moaning for a PC version of dust for years. However Legion is going to be where it belongs, on PC along with EVE. I see that as truly the best way to guarantee the games can have interconnected meaningful gameplay experiences. I always had doubts about console to pc interaction. EDIT - TO THE POSTER ABOVE ME - A reasonable gaming PC can be built or bought for a similar price to the PS4 or Xbox 1. There are many people on the forums as well as many many good websites that demonstrate this. Sure you can spend way more on a PC if you want everything, all the peripherals, top of the range GPU and CPU but by then its big money but you will get extreme performance too. You dont need to spend loads, a decent enough PC can be built for the same money as a PS4. Really? I've been building PCs for years and I've never built a decent one for the price of what a PS4 goes for. Wouldn't I just end up with PS4 like performance? What's the point of that?
Vargralor Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:26:00 - [479] - Quote Nemesis 888 wrote: Meric Voyer wrote: Pliny Eldritch wrote: This... This is just stupid. It's not like this is the first time a change in course from CCP has caused rage and drama, and it sure as &$^% won't be the last. What's sad is that it could have been different this time. As a community, we're all on the same page with CCP about what Dust is lacking. Many of us also agree that the PS3 has started it's long slow slide to oblivion, and that investing massive resources into it is a waste. You could also probably get most of us to admit that the current Dust player base isn't big enough to justify serious ongoing investment. Where things have gone wrong is CCP falling for one of the oldest logical fallacies in Software Engineering. When dealing with a large project that is not working, with no obvious or easy fixes, the answer that always feels easiest is to tear it down and start over. It's also almost always the wrong answer. Dust is broken. But it's still making money. People are playing it, and they're still paying to play it. CCP should take a page from Square Enix's successful reboot of FFXIV. For those unfamiliar, there are some real parallels between the first FFXIV's failure and Dust's current situation. Instead of trying to keep Dust limping along on PS3 while trying to develop an entirely new game on PC, CCP should strongly consider putting Dust on life support now. Keep a couple of devs for critical balance and bug fixes, and give the community some tasty discounts to keep them paying and playing. Use the freed-up devs to expedite a port of the then feature-frozen Dust from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4. Build for both PC and PS4 (as well as the XBone if MS is willing to play ball) simultaneously. It will take longer on the QA end, but if Epic has done their job properly with UE 4, the same code should run on both platforms. Doing both at once makes the Console/PC decision much less expensive in both money and time than porting later. Resist the temptation to do anything but get Dust running on the new systems. Once Dust is playable on PS4 and PC, give PS3 Dust a Matrix Online style send-off. Instead of making people worry about their investments of time and Aurum and how they might transfer into a new game, make the PC and PS4 ports use the same character data. Then start refactoring in all the Project Legion goodness, respeccing and resetting as needed - just like EVE's evolution. ^ Sensible solution. CCP has no sense though, so yeah.... Someone at CCP should hire this guy to be the Game Director for DUST/Legion. This would certainly be a good approach if Dust was a good starting point for developing Legion. Unfortunately, as pointed out in several of the Dev comments, changing Dust from what it is now (a lobby shooter) in to a sandbox environment integrated tightly with EVE (the stated eventual goal) is not simply a matter of patching in additional functionality. The entire underlying core of the game has to change. Once you start to look at it in that vein it does make more sense to start again and simply reuse components of Dust where possible. Let's look at battles for instance. Have a good think about what a sandbox playstyle really means. The current battle system would be an anomaly in the new world. The sort of thing used for tournaments and events. In a sandbox environment, two relatively balanced teams only match up against each other if someone f*cked up bigtime.
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 269	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:37:00 - [480] - Quote Nemesis 888 wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: Quote: When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements With only half of the hamsters than were previously assigned to Dust "development' (fixes and balancing); is it safe to assume that the speed and responsiveness we've come to expect from the DUST Dev team will suffer? You're trying to be funny right? Tell me this comment was a joke. most definitely sarcastic... I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.

Pliny Eldritch SCIENCE FOR LIFE Galactic Skyfleet Empire 7	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:43:00 - [481] - Quote Nemesis 888 wrote: Someone at CCP should hire this guy to be the Game Director for DUST/Legion. Not just no, but ^$%# no. My liver couldn't take it.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:51:00 - [482] - Quote Vargralor wrote: Nemesis 888 wrote: Meric Voyer wrote: Pliny Eldritch wrote: This... This is just stupid. It's not like this is the first time a change in course from CCP has caused rage and drama, and it sure as &$^% won't be the last. What's sad is that it could have been different this time. As a community, we're all on the same page with CCP about what Dust is lacking. Many of us also agree that the PS3 has started it's long slow slide to oblivion, and that investing massive resources into it is a waste. You could also probably get most of us to admit that the current Dust player base isn't big enough to justify serious ongoing investment. Where things have gone wrong is CCP falling for one of the oldest logical fallacies in Software Engineering. When dealing with a large project that is not working, with no obvious or easy fixes, the answer that always feels easiest is to tear it down and start over. It's also almost always the wrong answer. Dust is broken. But it's still making money. People are playing it, and they're still paying to play it. CCP should take a page from Square Enix's successful reboot of FFXIV. For those unfamiliar, there are some real parallels between the first FFXIV's failure and Dust's current situation. Instead of trying to keep Dust limping along on PS3 while trying to develop an entirely new game on PC, CCP should strongly consider putting Dust on life support now. Keep a couple of devs for critical balance and bug fixes, and give the community some tasty discounts to keep them paying and playing. Use the freed-up devs to expedite a port of the then feature-frozen Dust from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4. Build for both PC and PS4 (as well as the XBone if MS is willing to play ball) simultaneously. It will take longer on the QA end, but if Epic has done their job properly with UE 4, the same code should run on both platforms. Doing both at once makes the Console/PC decision much less expensive in both money and time than porting later. Resist the temptation to do anything but get Dust running on the new systems. Once Dust is playable on PS4 and PC, give PS3 Dust a Matrix Online style send-off. Instead of making people worry about their investments of time and Aurum and how they might transfer into a new game, make the PC and PS4 ports use the same character data. Then start refactoring in all the Project Legion goodness, respeccing and resetting as needed - just like EVE's evolution. ^ Sensible solution. CCP has no sense though, so yeah.... Someone at CCP should hire this guy to be the Game Director for DUST/Legion. This would certainly be a good approach if Dust was a good starting point for developing Legion. Unfortunately, as pointed out in several of the Dev comments, changing Dust from what it is now (a lobby shooter) in to a sandbox environment integrated tightly with EVE (the stated eventual goal) is not simply a matter of patching in additional functionality. The entire underlying core of the game has to change. Once you start to look at it in that vein it does make more sense to start again and simply reuse components of Dust where possible. Let's look at battles for instance. Have a good think about what a sandbox playstyle really means. The current battle system would be an anomaly in the new world. The sort of thing used for tournaments and events. In a sandbox environment, two relatively balanced teams only match up against each other if someone f*cked up bigtime. I don't think it's realistic to wish for PVE anymore. However, I do believe that during the transition period CCP owes the dedicated community additional content, most of which would probably be developed for Legion anyway. I'm talking about additional weapons, vehicles and dropsuits, along with any further tweaking and balancing required. I don't think that would be too unreasonable to ask for.
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:53:00 - [483] - Quote Pliny Eldritch wrote: Nemesis 888 wrote: Someone at CCP should hire this guy to be the Game Director for DUST/Legion. Not just no, but ^$%# no. My liver couldn't take it. Hey! Whatever happened to taking one for the team?!?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 397	Posted - 2014.05.07 06:29:00 - [484] - Quote CCP Rouge....is there anything approaching a timeline? 2015?
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 1	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:06:00 - [485] - Quote Guys is there anyway of stopping CCP FROM SHUTING DOWN DUST 514. IF THERE IS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY WE NEED TO KEEP DUST ALIVE ATLEAST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 1	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:26:00 - [486] - Quote Why can't CCP just bring the Dust title to both PC and console wouldn't that make the community that much bigger instead of leaving one for the other this whole Project Legion is just a load of garbage. We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.
Theresa Rohk The Cuddlefish Templis CALSF 49	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:59:00 - [487] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking **. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Then maybe, you should have *** thought of that in the first place, before spending 5 years of development and a ton of marketing only to declare 1 year after release "oops, my bad". I get that it likely, wasn't your call. However, the higher ups who cleared this need to be taken to the ***** coals for their idiocy and short sightedness. That, and the entire marketing department needs to have their drug supply cut off. Marketing is great, but when you utterly, and completely fail to deliver on promises, like no doubt CCP has, nigh completely, there is no excuse for either side to be able to shake their hands of the matter and say oh well, guess we'll just have a do-over.
The Minoan ManiacArchon Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 16	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:03:00 - [488] - Quote From all of this, I have a question for the development team. Do you think that my experience with Dust was good enough to make me buy a decent gaming PC, just so I can download your "plane with overhauled engines"? And then also pay for in-game content because it will obviously be free to play... Do you think I am in desperate need to get rid of my cash? Or do you think you have endeared yourselves to the gaming community so much that we would follow you off the edge of a cliff if we had to? Maybe I shouldn't be angry or frustrated over this. I haven't bought a single AUR in this game. But, honestly... I can't even begin to imagine how some of the "High Rollers" must feel. Game players are, in general, nice guys... They give second chances. But, which is it this time..? Fourth chance..? Fifth chance..? I don't know, maybe you'll get it... But be very careful! People game on the PC and on consoles for specific reasons. P.S. The plane analogy didn't work. Plane companies do overhaul the engines of their planes if they have to. In the "time" that the plane is "down" on the ground. P.S.2 A word of warning, from someone who apparently doesn't know anything about competitive videogame playing... The PS3 has standardised hardware. The PC doesn't. That means that better PCs will give people better chances of winning. The balance in Dust was bad enough without this problem to begin with.
INeXusI Synthetic Clones 2	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:15:00 - [489] - Quote **** CCP We Stand Together, We Fight Together, We Die Together, We Do Not Surrender.
Unholy HateGore CALDARI ELITE ARMY IMMORTAL REGIME 6	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:27:00 - [490] - Quote Well seems Uncle Pyrex gives the PS3 6 months or so shelf life left for dust. Perhaps I miss understood but if so that truly sucks. When it goes to computer then "perhaps" PS4 later, we will just get proto stomped again by those who got to lvl up on the PC first.

Fenix Alexarr BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 85	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:48:00 - [491] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such. Firstly, thanks for having the courage to come out on the forums and face some of these criticisms. I realize you're new to the team, but the skill progression system has a lot of people worried. Bringing over equipment and the like is almost secondary to how we as players will become something new/different/better/specialized over time. If the game turns into a COD-like or even a BF3-like progression system, you'll keep some people around, but they will not be Eve-universe people. The skill point system has flaws perhaps, but as someone who has been here since the beginning, I don't know that I could continue to play a COD look-a-like. The progression system coupled with the real sense of loss on death is what makes Dust a 'great shooter'. There are lots of good suggestions on these forums and else-where. The only other piece of advice I would offer is: Take advantage of the player-base AS A WHOLE when designing this new skill system. Make use of the surveys that non-forum goers have a better chance of seeing. Welcome to the team, try not to break anything beyond repair.
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 270	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:47:00 - [492] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge Is PC going to continue in Legion? Will Dust corporations be able to own districts and fight to obtain more? To date, playing an online multiplayer FPS on PC is problematic due to the prevalence of hacks, etc. Which is why many FPS fans moved over to consoles in hope of a more level playing field. (Yes, I know it's possible on console as well). Since cheating in an FPS with a persistent universe (and a mechanic like planetary conquest) has much more significant consequences than in a lobby shooter. It would seem that the incentive to cheat is even higher since there will be much more to gain than a higher KDR and a check mark in the win-column. Is anti-hack technology at the point where the current model of planetary conquest (which I like in principle) is even tenable? Or are we looking forward to a game with PvE and arena fights from this point forward? I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2530	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:49:00 - [493] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Void Echo wrote: Regardless of character and asset transfers, if your not going to bring Legion to the PS4 in the future (IDC when as long as it doesnt interfeer with my dust gameplay) then dont bother with trying to make it look nice for dust payers. Dust 514 is strictly a CONSOLE GAME, NOT A PC GAME, and anything pertaining to a PC release and no word on whats happening to console releases is straight up microsoft style bullshit. I will NOT join Legion if it doesn't end up on PS4 and nether will ALOT of your dust playerbase. I have no intention of becoming a PC FPS player for any reason. Making Legion look like a PC only game was one of the worst mistakes youv ever made as a company. Your alienating your console players by saying "If you want to stay, switch to PC". Character transfers are the least of concerns for those of us who have no intention of going to PC. Either MAKE plans for PS4 version of Legion or your can say goodby to alot of dust players when this hits. And EVE was strictly a PC game not a console game. Now you PS3 players know how us EVE players felt when we found out DUST was going to be a console game and not on CCP`s home turf = the PC. I understand that for console players, this turn of events is shocking and surprising. Its surprising for me too considering I have been moaning for a PC version of dust for years. However Legion is going to be where it belongs, on PC along with EVE. I see that as truly the best way to guarantee the games can have interconnected meaningful gameplay experiences. I always had doubts about console to pc interaction. EDIT - TO THE POSTER ABOVE ME - A reasonable gaming PC can be built or bought for a similar price to the PS4 or Xbox 1. There are many people on the forums as well as many many good websites that demonstrate this. Sure you can spend way more on a PC if you want everything, all the peripherals, top of the range GPU and CPU but by then its big money but you will get extreme performance too. You dont need to spend loads, a decent enough PC can be built for the same money as a PS4. i refuse to convert to PC for any reason other than my own. plus its to expensive. Regardless of how you eve players felt when dust was given to us. We spent 2 years developing a game that would be connected to you people and for what? nothing in return and slap in the face for following along with your failed plans. "This just in CCP Rouge announces that EVE Online will no longer be on PC, it will be transferred over to PS4, no character transfers will be available though." think about that and tell me console players don't have the right to be angry. You PC Elitests are part of the reason many console players hate pc gamers. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4298	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:28:00 - [494] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Is project legion going to be free? bump I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please be free
Pliny Eldritch SCIENCE FOR LIFE Galactic Skyfleet Empire 7	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:41:00 - [495] - Quote Vargralor wrote: This would certainly be a good approach if Dust was a good starting point for developing Legion. Unfortunately, as pointed out in several of the Dev comments, changing Dust from what it is now (a lobby shooter) in to a sandbox environment integrated tightly with EVE (the stated eventual goal) is not simply a matter of patching in additional functionality. The entire underlying core of the game has to change. Once you start to look at it in that vein it does make more sense to start again and simply reuse components of Dust where possible. Let's look at battles for instance. Have a good think about what a sandbox playstyle really means. The current battle system would be an anomaly in the new world. The sort of thing used for tournaments and events. In a sandbox environment, two relatively balanced teams only match up against each other if someone f*cked up bigtime. I disagree, but I spent my time as a Software Engineer in Extreme Programming shops. The philosophy is very much about getting things running and improving them incrementally. Tossing out a currently running system to chase the promise of something better is like asking an Irish dude to pour out the last of a whiskey barrel to start aging something new.
Unholy HateGore CALDARI ELITE ARMY IMMORTAL REGIME 6	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:50:00 - [496] - Quote TheReaper545 wrote: Whats in store for dust? When I say this I mean what "new stuff " are we getting euch as drones and weapons and pilot suits? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:19:00 - [497] - Quote Void Echo wrote: think about that and tell me console players don't have the right to be angry. You PC Elitests are part of the reason many console players hate pc gamers. Yeah, lash out at PC players while you are at it... Its definitely their fault. Sure we have a bunch of arrogant eve-tards on this forum we also have plenty of sanctimoniously rude console players who somehow think that their feeling of betrayal gives them the right to embody the very behavioural attributes they so loudly denounce. It doesn't make any rational sense and yet as you pointed out: everyone has the right to their feelings. Perhaps, its how we deal with those difficult feelings that really matters here? I bought a goddamn PS3 just to play this game and purchased AUR regularly. The difference is I have been playing EVE for a while and know how CCP works. Plus I saw the poor numbers and performance added it all up and quit 10 months ago. I feel sorry for those who either didn't have the foresight or came too late to realise that this boat was ready to sink... Sure it would be great if LEGION succeeded but I have big doubts because this debacle may very well kill the project at conception. CCP has brought it on themselves but the bitter irony is that a lot is still up to us. How we react, how we speak, how we deal with the sense of betrayal as individuals is our choice too. Or are we claiming that CCP has taken that choice away from us? Your dignity and integrity stolen together with your AUR? It can be argued that the sense of betrayal is so great that CCP does not deserve your decency. Well I got news for you. Decency is a value in itself and it needs no provisos. We all suspect by now that if there is truly no credibility or enthusiasm left among a sufficient number players CCP may have no reason to go on with this. So while we are at it, lets face another unpopular hypothesis: The community may have been loyal and stuck by them up to this point but we are not a very large community as games go. And if you add this fact to the ambitious nature of the undertaking there is no way that DUST was financially feasible. When I consider that point and put my disappointment aside I have to admit that when companies or investments fail, ( Something that happened to me personally and thus I reserve my final judgment ), it often happens abruptly or even without warning. Oh, don't get me wrong the signs are usually there early enough, its just human nature to look the other way and blindly persevere. Sometimes this attitude pays off though, and I really wonder if this is one of those times...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 711	Posted - 2014.05.07 22:21:00 - [498] - Quote CCP Rouge. Unless you're planning on expanding to the mobile app market, pulling out of the gaming console industry is a massive down-step. This basically conveys to me that you are unwilling to expand your company - and profits. Sign if you refuse to give up on the PS3 Dust
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5514	Posted - 2014.05.08 00:17:00 - [499] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Void Echo wrote: think about that and tell me console players don't have the right to be angry. You PC Elitests are part of the reason many console players hate pc gamers. Yeah, lash out at PC players while you are at it... Its definitely their fault. Sure we have a bunch of arrogant eve-tards on this forum we also have plenty of sanctimoniously rude console players who somehow think that their feeling of betrayal gives them the right to embody the very behavioural attributes they so loudly denounce. It doesn't make any rational sense and yet as you pointed out: everyone has the right to their feelings. Perhaps, its how we deal with those difficult feelings that really matters here? I think you should take a closer look at how he said the "PC Elitists" (specific term) are part of the reason many console players hate "PC Gamers" (general term). he's not saying all PC gamers are like the vocal and aggressive "PC Master race" idiots out there. Just like you're not lumping all console gamers into the "ADD CoD kiddie" stereotype that console gamers sometimes get saddled with. There are a few bad eggs on both sides of the fence, and no matter how much people on both sides try to use those idiots as justification for damning the entire opposite group, it doesn't negate the fact that WE ARE ALL GAMERS, or the fact that there are bad people in almost every community out there.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 773	Posted - 2014.05.08 03:31:00 - [500] - Quote Rouge, Since you and your whole alliance are quitting Dust,there is one very important question i must ask... Can i has your isk?


CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 2723	Posted - 2014.05.08 10:25:00 - [501] - Quote Hello everyone, In order to keep Project Legion discussion focused in one place, we created Project Legion General Discussions forum section right here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1732. Thank you for your feedback that you provided us with so far, and we are looking forward to more posts and threads from you! CCP Frame

Heligg Bite et Couteau 23	Posted - 2014.05.08 10:43:00 - [502] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1732
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3210	Posted - 2014.05.08 11:46:00 - [503] - Quote I am utterly overwhelmed at both the volume and clarity of the answers offered so far in this thread. Thx CCP Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2014.05.08 13:33:00 - [504] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I think you should take a closer look at how he said the "PC Elitists" (specific term) are part of the reason many console players hate "PC Gamers" (general term). he's not saying all PC gamers are like the vocal and aggressive "PC Master race" idiots out there. Just like you're not lumping all console gamers into the "ADD CoD kiddie" stereotype that console gamers sometimes get saddled with. There are a few bad eggs on both sides of the fence, and no matter how much people on both sides try to use those idiots as justification for damning the entire opposite group, it doesn't negate the fact that WE ARE ALL GAMERS, or the fact that there are bad people in almost every community out there. Totally agree with you. Wasn't anything personal though, and I hope he doesn't feel I attacked his view in that way. You should know me by now Garrett. I use every opportunity to practice my own personal brand of depravities: "Trolling" people into a more introspective thinking. "Preaching" about the sacrifices we must offer to the Gods of innovation. Basically being an insufferable wiseass.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3218	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:14:00 - [505] - Quote Heligg wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1732 CCP Frame's secret alt confirmed? Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 264	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:32:00 - [506] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. CCP Rouge I have a question Applicable skills/inventory? Inventory- this sounds like it would be our starter fits and maybe,MAYBE, some Aurum gear Skills- this sounds like my ability to shoot the weapon you put in my hand...like how my applicable skills to shoot,dodge,flank, and sneak are just as applicable here as they are in halo, CoD, Crysis, ect Can you be a lil less vague and give us a better answer? CCP makes me physically ill
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 164	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:16:00 - [507] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not lwave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. CCP Rouge I have a question Applicable skills/inventory? Inventory- this sounds like it would be our starter fits and maybe,MAYBE, some Aurum gear Skills- this sounds like my ability to shoot the weapon you put in my hand...like how my applicable skills to shoot,dodge,flank, and sneak are just as applicable here as they are in halo, CoD, Crysis, ect Can you be a lil less vague and give us a better answer? Let me try to help CCP clarify these for you. Applicable skills: any current DUST 514 skill sets that are similar to, indirectly associated to, or possibly used in an identified role/purpose/or effect, and is described in a manner that serves the Project Legion skill sets in a way that does not detract from its original form or design, may or may not transfer to Project Legion. Inventory: any current items in your DUST 514 inventory, which includes the following but not limited to - racial dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, modules, salvages, etc...that are similar to, indirectly associated to, or possibly used in an identified role/purpose/or effect, and is described in a manner that serves the Project Legion skill sets in a way that does not detract from its original form or design, may or may not transfer to Project Legion. Hope that helps clarify what CCP wanted to clarify to all dusties out there. Lol.
Marc Rime 384	Posted - 2014.05.08 21:22:00 - [508] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Focusing on one thing at a time makes perfect sense... but don't you think your current players would appreciate it if that one thing was the game they are already playing and, in a lot of cases, have spent quite a bit of money on? Especially considering that the game in question is far from what it was advertised as.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2843	Posted - 2014.05.09 00:54:00 - [509] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Focusing on one thing at a time makes perfect sense... but don't you think your current players would appreciate it if that one thing was the game they are already playing and, in a lot of cases, have spent quite a bit of money on? Especially considering that the game in question is far from what it was advertised as. It's easier to raise the white flag Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 60	Posted - 2014.05.09 10:08:00 - [510] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Marc Rime wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Focusing on one thing at a time makes perfect sense... but don't you think your current players would appreciate it if that one thing was the game they are already playing and, in a lot of cases, have spent quite a bit of money on? Especially considering that the game in question is far from what it was advertised as. It's easier to raise the white flag i had call it S.H.I.T.-flag, but i think is just semantic at this point

Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.05.09 12:04:00 - [511] - Quote bring the lava map to dust and the other things you promise us. you will put in dust514 thats why a lot of us got disappointed we saw the new maps on a new game ;(
Xerth Frejer The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:25:00 - [512] - Quote When and Where can I sign up for Testing?
Kieret L'Ren Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:49:00 - [513] - Quote I'd also like to know if/how we will be able to sign up for testing - PC is my home, and I did buy a PS3 for Dust 514, but I'm still happy it's moving to PC. Any details would be super-duper welcome.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 508	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:10:00 - [514] - Quote I'm in 100% for testing. I'd love to give it a run on my laptop at low res when we have the chance. The camp arguing that DUST should be anchored on a console is missing the big picture, and this isn't the thread to argue. I would like to give my support any way I can and am excited to see how Legion will grow. ^_^ Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!" The Space Hippie
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 628	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:22:00 - [515] - Quote Will buy it only on PS4.
GRAY-WOLF-275 501st foxhound 0	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:01:00 - [516] - Quote this is not change it is betrayed of every single dust abd eve player
voidfaction Void of Faction 230	Posted - 2014.05.11 08:29:00 - [517] - Quote

CCP Rouge C C P C C P Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:23:00 - [518] - Quote Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward.

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 780	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:26:00 - [519] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Holy sht. Posts on a late Sunday? ?? Red might be a high quality dev yet! Thanks for the updates, keep up the good work. Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect 518	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:01:00 - [520] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. New content for dust - gimme them fighters since its nothing but a another cash cow for CCP Also: legion for ps4 asap, thanks. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."

GRAY-WOLF-275 501st foxhound 0	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:02:00 - [521] - Quote bullshit you don't give a dam about dust all you care about is how much money you make and you weren't getting any from dust so you said go to hell dust
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 199	Posted - 2014.05.11 15:10:00 - [522] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Thanks for posting, on a Sunday no less. Keep the information coming! (Applies both to Dust and Legion)
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 90	Posted - 2014.05.11 16:46:00 - [523] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Please look at fitting reqs for minmatar suits and possibly giving them shorter shield recharge delay. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
DELB0Y 9	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:05:00 - [524] - Quote Oculas Rift support for Legion please. TF2 has it already so Legion is already playing catchup to that. Legion has an advantage in that it is in the early stages in development and can be built with VR in mind. Please don't get left behind in the FPS-VR war that is inevitably gonna come. Keep up the great work guys and also please give us some idea for when we will have Legion in our hands. You give up our position one more time, I'll bleed you, real quiet, and leave you here. Got that?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 595	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:18:00 - [525] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. I. Balance A. Vehicles Blaster Turret - Increase dispersion; decrease range. HAV - Decrease acceleration; decrease turret rotation speed. Dropship - Fix swarm resistance. B. Infantry Buff Assault Frames. C. Gear D. Primary Weaponry E. Secondary Weaponry 2. Planetary Conquest A. Clone Packs B. Diminishing Returns C. Latency [/list] 3. Polish A. Cloak B. Curbs C. Stun Lock Balance 1A) Vehicles * Blaster Turret - Increase dispersion; decrease range. * HAV - Decrease acceleration; decrease turret rotation speed. * Dropship - Fix swarm resistance. 1B) Infantry * Buff Assault Frames. 1C) Gear * Armor Plates - Increase movement penalty; apply penalty to rotation speed. * Cloak - Drain meter when shot; deplete meter when fluxed. 1D) Primary Weaponry * Combat Rifle - Decrease RoF. * Assault Rifle - Increase RoF. * HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range. * Plasma Cannon - Increase projectile speed; increase direct damage. * Sniper Rifle - Increase headshot multiplier. * Swarms - Increase missile speed; increase lock-on range. 1E) Secondary Weaponry * Buff new pistols. * Increase nova knife blade length. Planetary Conquest 2A) Introduce Clone Pack stacking. 2B) As a given entity's volume of clone sales increases, decrease that entity's sales price per clone. 2C) PC Lag is far better now than in times past, but there remains opportunity for improvement. Polish 3A) Disable cloak auto-toggle on swap; require a user to manually activate and deactivate. 3B) Remove or smooth all curbs. 3C) Find and fix the source of Stun Lock.
GRAY-WOLF-275 501st foxhound 0	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:33:00 - [526] - Quote give us access to eve isk so we can fund pc battles,
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 623	Posted - 2014.05.11 18:10:00 - [527] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. ~SNIP~ Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. ~SNIP~ Something that really could be quite useful and easy - a quality of life fix for the spawn system. Sometimes in some locations you are spawned into areas you cannot escape, or spawned right infront of the enemy with no way to defend yourself (I dont mean when using uplinks as this is your tactical choice, I mean using ambush spawns for instance)
Patoman Radiant SVER True Blood 154	Posted - 2014.05.11 18:12:00 - [528] - Quote Some people are rageing, but I think its a really great idea to put dust on the PC. Personally I have been away from the game for a while (more then half a year) and have been uninterested in the game due to the product released and its limitations; so I am hardly some kind of sycophant fanboy of everything ccp does. This whole thing got me actually interested in the game. Big issue I would have is can my current dust char migrate over to the PC project legion, which at fanfest I think they said I could, one big issue down. And in the future isk can be moved between games, and.... actual MARKET. So again efforts spent in the game won't be wasted. I don't lose anything if this re-release happens, I might actualy play again, and all the progress I made on my old char might be use for something, instead of being in the dust bin.] Biggest issue I have is how soon., I really want it now and wouldn't want to have to wait a year for it.
Patoman Radiant SVER True Blood 154	Posted - 2014.05.11 18:16:00 - [529] - Quote GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: bullshit you don't give a dam about dust all you care about is how much money you make and you weren't getting any from dust so you said go to hell dust makes sense, get a product people like, they like playing and paying money for it. You can't really hit any more of a bottom with the current state of dust on PS3, so any change can't be bad.
Patoman Radiant SVER True Blood 154	Posted - 2014.05.11 18:18:00 - [530] - Quote DELB0Y wrote: Oculas Rift support for Legion please. TF2 has it already so Legion is already playing catchup to that. Legion has an advantage in that it is in the early stages in development and can be built with VR in mind. Please don't get left behind in the FPS-VR war that is inevitably gonna come. Keep up the great work guys and also please give us some idea for when we will have Legion in our hands. That's a niche, I personally would like do in dust what I do in planetside, play on one screen and have another screen doing something else like watching something on Netflix. Or it could be game related like fourm crap, teamspeak, or mabey a tactical map. Some people might like immersion, I prefer practical and multitasking.

voidfaction Void of Faction 232	Posted - 2014.05.11 19:58:00 - [531] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. I. Balance A) Vehicles 1. Blaster Turret - Increase dispersion; decrease range 2. HAV - Decrease acceleration; decrease turret rotation speed 3. Dropship - Fix swarm resistance B) Infantry 1. Buff Assault Frames C) Gear 1. Armor Plates - Increase movement penalty; apply penalty to rotation speed 2. Cloak - (See Section III below) 3. AV Grenades - Increase damage D) Primary Weaponry 1. Combat Rifle - Decrease RoF 2. Assault Rifle - Increase RoF 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range 4. Plasma Cannon - Increase projectile speed; increase direct damage 5. Sniper Rifle - Increase headshot multiplier 6. Swarms - Increase missile speed; increase lock-on range 7. Forge Gun - Increase direct damage E) Secondary Weaponry 1. Buff new pistols 2. Increase nova knife blade length II. Planetary Conquest A) Clone Packs 1. Introduce Clone Pack stacking B) Diminishing Returns 1. As clone sale volume increases, clone sales price decreases ... 2. Maintain sliding scale on a corp-by-corp basis C) Latency 1. Fix PC Lag III. Polish A) Cloak 1. Require user to manually activate and deactivate ... 2. Disable cloak auto-toggle on item swap (fixes fire-from-cloak) 3. Increase shimmer intensity when shot 4. Extend shimmer duration when shot 5. Deplete reserves when fluxed B) Environment 1. Remove all curbs 2. Fix sticky terrain C) Mechanics 1. Remove Stun Lock 2. Reduce backpedal speed +1 CCP could not do all that if they canceled Legion and put all focus back on Dust514 and a year to do it. It took them over a week to update the db that said dragonfly scout had 1h 3l 2e then broke it a week later only to take another week to fix it again. Still would be nice to have those changes but what you ask for is nothing but a pipe dream.
Jean afer Salpun Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.05.11 19:58:00 - [532] - Quote Dust 514 needs the market implemented so you can get over that hump before you get to Legion. Even if they don't effect the universe locations of recent large capsulier/ Dust 514 activity needs to show up in the other game automatically via in space icons and pop ups.
GRAY-WOLF-275 501st foxhound 1	Posted - 2014.05.11 20:44:00 - [533] - Quote this is not change it is betrayal of every single dust and eve player out SVER True Blood has always been out for themselves so of cores you agree,
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.05.11 21:50:00 - [534] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Game balance: 1) Something really needs to be done with swarm damage applying properly (there are numerous videos detailing this) 2) Swarms range- Swarms are useless against dropships, as most simply fly out of range and continue to bombard with impunity 3) Dropship pilots- Seems to me that there are few opportunities for pilots to really earn SP- perhaps they should get a bonus or more SP for kills/ferrying 4) Tankers/Turrets- Perhaps they should get less SP/WP per infantry kill and more for vehicle kills Other stuff-- Is it possible to fix the terrain for movement/running? I know this may not be a simple fix, but running/walking/jumping are necessary mechanics for any fps. It reflects poorly on CCP when it's still broken this late in the game. Specifically: 1) Having running interrupted and either stopped or forced into walking by small obstructions/falls. 2) When climbing up the sides of mountains, until you know the map, it can be a crap shoot whether or not the surface is climbable (two surfaces at the same incline, and one is scalable, while the other is not). 3) Randomness of not being able to run all the time, or at the incorrect speed. Also, it seems that numerous skills are not applying correctly- whether it's damage, speed, or armor bonuses. These should be fixed, or the skills removed from the skill tree- since they're wasted points. Moo.
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 28	Posted - 2014.05.11 22:27:00 - [535] - Quote CCP, I feel bad about all the flak you are catching, but you new this would happen. I am a little mad too. I have spent countless hours on Dust 514 and for what? I can't afford a PC I can barely afford a PS4 which I got for two games Watchdogs and Dust 514. I bought aur and feel that I'll need a refund if you jump ship and what about all those people who spent 100$ on weapon packs. *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike
Marc Rime 390	Posted - 2014.05.11 22:40:00 - [536] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. More graphics settings we can lower for higher FPS. I doubt there'll be much more work to optimise the code for PS3 from now on so I won't ask for that, but a slider to lower whatever value shouldn't be too much effort, right? ;) EDIT: ...oh, and start filtering bug reports (at https://dust514.com/user/bugs/) so we can at least pretend you haven't entirely abandoned this game yet.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 824	Posted - 2014.05.12 00:50:00 - [537] - Quote More interested in content. Release LLAV, LDS, Proto tanks. And release fighters please. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2269	Posted - 2014.05.12 01:20:00 - [538] - Quote Okay, after my initial bout of bitterness, I have to say Rogue is doing a pretty great job on the "open and transparent" front so far. This thread makes me a bit more hopeful. Now... MY FINAL DUST514 REQUEST: Please introduce FW variants of all dropsuits and weapons. It may take a tad of art time for alternate skins, but really, alternate skins are optional. Just take the AUR variants of weapons, turn them into LP variants, and you're good. It's a simple job compared to everything else that's being requested, please give us this much before the lights go out. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10233	Posted - 2014.05.12 03:50:00 - [539] - Quote Will Dust 514 be seeing Amarr and Minmatar racial content any time soon? Markdown:
Oceltot Mortalis The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 2	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:51:00 - [540] - Quote I think a major improvement to spawning in ambush would be allowing players to select a quadrant of the map to spawn into. I get really tired of spawning in the middle of a proto-march alone and in a corner. Being spawn camped is about the worst experience for anyone, especially players who are new to the experience. Secondly, I also would like to see different game modes implemented into the game. The sand box opens up an awesome opportunity for instances or random spawns for boss fights. Something like an incursion where a massive amount of players have to band together to take out a drone spawning super-baddie and every class of dropsuit has a role to play. Beyond that, I'd really like to see racial separation in every aspect of the game. Racial HUD, ALL vehicles, and ALL the heavy weapons. I'd also like to see maybe like a Corp war barge that is customizable like the Clan Quarters from the game WARFRAME. That would be super cool. Where you add rooms to the war barge to increase industrial accommodations or research proficiency or reduces manufacturing waste. Just a thought! Thanks for reading!

Starfire Revo DUST University Ivy League 233	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:49:00 - [541] - Quote Role and gear balance Change swarm launchers to 4 missiles at every level, with 275 damage each at standard, 302.5 each at advanced and 330 each at prototype. This brings it's damage scaling in line with the forge gun. Change plasma cannon direct damage from 1050/1102.5/1155 to 1050/1155/1260 to also bring them in line with forge gun damage scaling. Change projectile weapons so they get a +5% bonus against armour and a -5% bonus against shields. Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Let us pick which constellations we want to fight in in faction warfare. Biggest problem my eve friends have with the current system is that they have to fly all over the warzone to get to where I'm fighting. Full team queueing in faction warfare would help a lot too. Queue syncing is unreliable and a pain to set up. Right now PC is the only way to consistently play as a full group and I'd like to see that change. I make videos of EVE and Dust http://www.youtube.com/mrgimbleb I write about EVE and Dust http://mrgimbleb.blogspot.com
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5633	Posted - 2014.05.12 09:17:00 - [542] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. As far as Dust 514, the only change I want to see in the near future is what I mentioned to you guys at Fanfest: A rudimentary "soft market" in which players can liquidate (sell) the assets they do not/cannot use for ISK value from NPCs. Basically, just a way for us to sell stuff. We don't really need this huge overarching player economy because of how much resources would need to be assigned to it, so the next best thing is a way for us to sell the stuff we don't use and then trade the ISK to another player so they can buy things they -can- use. It's crude but it's a fairly effective method of keeping inventories low and keeping the ISK moving around. For Project Legion, again, stuff I mentioned at Fanfest: We don't want to spread the playerbase too thin. Like I said, 10,000 players on 60,000 planets (no jokes, Atli..!) is a bit over zealous and trying to cook up a whole new resource that Eve players care about is also over zealous. Focus on stuff that is already in-game that the Eve guys -already care about-. Stuff like reduced reinforcement timers, or flipping POSes (something they can't do, all they can do is destroy them). Ways for us to actually -interact- with Eve players in a meaningful way that they'll a) give a **** about and b) actually pay us for. And yes, getting an economy started between the two is an ample goal but please don't make the mistake of thinking that a new resource shoe-horned inbetween the two games is going to suddenly make both Eve players and Dust mercs care about either side when there are plenty of ways/reasons that we can make an impact with what is already available. It would be a crucial mistake and I feel that you guys would be missing out on a golden opportunity to hit the nail on the head with the actual link. I severely doubt other Eve players (I've been playing for six years) honestly care about planets and the general response when talking with them in Iceland seems to coincide with that theory. I'd argue that the only reason the Eve/Dust link should ever take place on the planets is in order for Eve players to bombard the Dusters on the ground and the Dusters to assist Eve fleets with planetary support. Other than that it's just a big debacle of trying to find problems for solutions. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9624	Posted - 2014.05.12 12:13:00 - [543] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Try to bring tiercide to DUST, that's the bare minimum I would like to see. And maybe bring out Skirmish 3.0 that was talked about in EVE Vegas. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9624	Posted - 2014.05.12 12:15:00 - [544] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. I. Balance A) Vehicles 1. Blaster Turret - Increase dispersion; decrease range 2. HAV - Decrease acceleration; decrease turret rotation speed 3. Dropship - Fix swarm resistance B) Infantry 1. Buff Assault Frames C) Gear 1. Armor Plates - Increase movement penalty; apply penalty to rotation speed 2. Cloak - (See Section III below) 3. AV Grenades - Increase damage D) Primary Weaponry 1. Combat Rifle - Decrease RoF 2. Assault Rifle - Increase RoF 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range 4. Plasma Cannon - Increase projectile speed; increase direct damage 5. Sniper Rifle - Increase headshot multiplier 6. Swarms - Increase missile speed; increase lock-on range 7. Forge Gun - Increase direct damage E) Secondary Weaponry 1. Buff new pistols 2. Increase nova knife blade length II. Planetary Conquest A) Clone Packs 1. Introduce Clone Pack stacking B) Diminishing Returns 1. As clone sale volume increases, clone sales price decreases ... 2. Maintain sliding scale on a corp-by-corp basis C) Latency 1. Fix PC Lag III. Polish A) Cloak 1. Require user to manually activate and deactivate ... 2. Disable cloak auto-toggle on item swap (fixes fire-from-cloak) 3. Increase shimmer intensity when shot 4. Extend shimmer duration when shot 5. Deplete reserves when fluxed B) Environment 1. Remove all curbs 2. Fix sticky terrain C) Mechanics 1. Remove Stun Lock 2. Reduce backpedal speed If you nerf plates you better ******* buff armor repairers, as they are a joke. JUST FYI, armor vs shields is balanced at proto, it's only at STD and ADV where there is an imbalance due to poor shield scaling. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2876	Posted - 2014.05.12 13:07:00 - [545] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Try to bring tiercide to DUST, that's the bare minimum I would like to see. And maybe bring out Skirmish 3.0 that was talked about in EVE Vegas. When I think about Eve Vegas 2 words suddenly comes up in my mind: "Laser Focused" Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 609	Posted - 2014.05.12 13:18:00 - [546] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: If you nerf plates you better ******* buff armor repairers, as they are a joke. JUST FYI, armor vs shields is balanced at proto, it's only at STD and ADV where there is an imbalance due to poor shield scaling. Do you not find uparmored Scouts, A wee 'bit too mobile at 600HP? Is it not odd to see a bulwark-of-a-heavy, Pirouetting as fast as you and me? Not to say I fully disagree, but ... Grit is out-of-balance with Mobility.
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.05.12 13:32:00 - [547] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. [PC WISE] Biggest thing on my list is the RTS element to Districts, i want to be able to fight on each district and not see the same ole layout, weapons, base nodes, defense, etc, etc. i WANT each district's owner who has upgraded their district's facilities to provide a challenge besides the troops who accompany it. tiers of upgrades, custom decorations and paint, and the ability to defile a district before it flips owners. Corp loyalty bounty system for PC matches that nets higher reward per "ringer" you kill and special rewards per ringer killed in corp specific storage for bragging rights/propaganda EVE pilot EMP blasts that restrict movement on vehicles An "Oh S***" handle for immediate clone re-supply as a bandage to regroup (bearing 1-3+ days left of fighting) 3rd party intervention: on time of battle start a small force of 8 players can fight as vanguard before full team comes in for full battle (separate clone count for vanguard which don't affect full clone count.) both sides can use (long cooldown system) [all game modes] more equipment options other than gun, grenade, and explosive (variants of neuts, webs, etc) battles in ambush, skirmish, dom, fac war, etc need to have a feeling of individuality. ie: ambush feels like a shootout skirmish feels like invading a facility to get weapon control domination needs to feel King-of-the-hill like fac war needs that faction touch to it to distinguish each fight on enemy/friendly turf has those faction strengths/weaknesses PC needs that sense of FEAR, anxiety, and Brutality added to each battle as well as each fight feels like a campaign (longer drawn out battles) Snipe nearby Pilots warping nearby battle, for KB shaming. Random parts from loot/salvage drops which modifies gear stats as well as random parts for crafting/discounting market prices. think thats it for me for now
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1269	Posted - 2014.05.12 14:03:00 - [548] - Quote I would like to feel like a critical part of a match and not a cog I would like the option to be a cog sometimes or feel less pressured to perform I care about how my character looks. I also want to be able to change things up I like losing everyday items and only using powerful items at appropriate times. I like taking expensive things from someone I fought against and feeling like my kill did more than just increment the clone counter. I do not want "innate rights". I want what can be earned and what I can convince someone to give me. I want to only compete where I am able to compete. I don't just want to earn the gun in my hand but also earn the right to fight where I fight. I want to know I earned it yesterday, and the day before, and that I need to keep earning it or it will be gone. I am fine with human being deciding on whether it is earned. If my group has earned the right to stand on strong ground, I want a use for new players and weaker players. There is no shame in being fodder, but I want that fodder to have a use. We don't all need to play together all the time, but we do need to work together. I want to hold allegiances and for that to matter. However I want to be able to operate where those allegiances would not conflict. I understand this is me, others will feel differently. The concept is holding to an ideal or concept, but not all of them have flags. As someone who has always been a stronger defensive player I want my actions to be valued. You point me at an asset and I'll keep it or force a high price for it. However I do not wish to be punished with reduced rewards for helping the team in the best way I am able to. I do not care if others can grind me into the dirt, whether through skills or items. I do care if there is no escape. As mentioned previously, if I cannot compete then I shouldn't be there. If I'm an attack dog then I'll fight other dogs. The dogs and tigers shouldn't share fighting grounds. I want a place to try things. Trying new items, weapons, or suits is much less appealing when I can't even fire a round before taking it into combat.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9625	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:34:00 - [549] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If you nerf plates you better ******* buff armor repairers, as they are a joke. JUST FYI, armor vs shields is balanced at proto, it's only at STD and ADV where there is an imbalance due to poor shield scaling. Do you not find uparmored Scouts, A wee 'bit too mobile at 600HP? Is it not odd to see a bulwark-of-a-heavy, Pirouetting as fast as you and me? Not to say I fully disagree, but ... Grit is out-of-balance with Mobility. As a Gallente Assault, even a single complex plate puts me at a major speed disadvantage, and I can feel it very well. 0.41m/s might not sound like a lot, but it has gotten me killed enough times to care. My reaction time to evolving threats is also reduced, as it takes longer for me to get to the threat. So yeah, something needs to be done, but it will need to come with a buff of ferroscale plates, reactive plates and armor repairers, as all three are quite the joke. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Marc Rime 394	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:47:00 - [550] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Fix the bug with bullet impact that's causing the "sloth-effect." My theory on what's causing it (because surely it can't be intentional ;)): It seems that the bullet-force, when applied to a character, temporarily resets the force applied by the controller, meaning you slow down even when running away from the enemy (really the hits should make you move away even faster if anything). Even though movement-force gets re-applied instantaneously, the acceleration-delay of the movement controls means you won't reach your full speed before the next bullet hits, again resetting your speed.

pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 726	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:44:00 - [551] - Quote Remove PC timers. Make them vulnerable 23/7. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 726	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:48:00 - [552] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Remove PC timers. Make them vulnerable 23/7. Remove genolution payout for a no-show win. I want more zerg and wars of attrition! Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:51:00 - [553] - Quote Quote: 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range Because the effective 20m range is too OP. HMG should be a BB gun right? Yes, I'm that desperate...
lampwizard Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2014.05.12 21:05:00 - [554] - Quote Stop posting in blue or whitetag threads. It is a complete waste and the nontag threads are all that's relevant. 8==D -- CCP Rouge wrote: hold that wrote: Lazor focus these nuts.
Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 257	Posted - 2014.05.12 21:32:00 - [555] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! Great to see all the feedback youGÇÖve posted so far. Please keep it coming. For DUST 514 we obviously have a long list of stuff to do but IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. For Project Legion, itGÇÖs more high level concepts IGÇÖm after at this stage as weGÇÖre still figuring out the outline of the experience. DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Project Legion The Starmap as the door and guide to New Eden Wild PvP / The Sandbox areas where you fight other players and drones (in its first iteration) to scavenge for loot New ways to link with EVE For Project Legion, I recommend you post your thoughts in the new Project Legion forum that CCP Frame pointed out earlier in the thread. Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. 1) Fix the sprint bug 2) Ignore CPM's that want to control the game play 3) Redistribute ALL isk from DNS and former members of DNS OR Distribute 1 trillion isk to all corp who have controlled districts to balance PC I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 105	Posted - 2014.05.13 00:02:00 - [556] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: Quote: 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range Because the effective 20m range is too OP. HMG should be a BB gun right? If you think hmgs are balanced, you are severely mistaken.
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 28	Posted - 2014.05.13 00:12:00 - [557] - Quote Commander Tuna wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Quote: 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range Because the effective 20m range is too OP. HMG should be a BB gun right? If you think hmgs are balanced, you are severely mistaken. Uh HMGs are balanced. but since you are complaining.here is an idea. I think for project legion add gun customization add in stock guns that can be fitted with scopes and extended mag.s and other neat things *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of New Eden 611	Posted - 2014.05.13 06:24:00 - [558] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: Commander Tuna wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Quote: 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range Because the effective 20m range is too OP. HMG should be a BB gun right? If you think hmgs are balanced, you are severely mistaken. Uh HMGs are balanced. but since you are complaining.here is an idea. I think for project legion add gun customization add in stock guns that can be fitted with scopes and extended mag.s and other neat things ho ho! more sp sinks, but this is an sp sink I would totally support. barrels to extend range, grips to increase stability, clips to increase ammo, and of course color schemes. Make it happen CCP! Also, I want player trading in Dust. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5542	Posted - 2014.05.13 07:22:00 - [559] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. OTHER STUFF. Adding some limited form of PvE would have a significant and direct impact on gameplay quality. Using a simplistic 6-player (single squad) horde mode as a way to promote Legion would actually be pretty effective AND add some much-needed variety to the gameplay in DUST.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 84	Posted - 2014.05.13 11:15:00 - [560] - Quote If DUST is going the way of the dodo then I really want you guys (whoever's left working on it) to pull out all the stops and up the fun factor for it's remaining days.. Pretty much instantly you should let us sell the gear we aren't going to use. There's so much of it and with ISK difficult to get it will provide a real positive. In fact I think everything should come down in ISK cost and making ISK should be easier. Up the sense of anarchy - like a country in the throes of revolution . And lastly - give us a map editor. We know now we aren't getting any new maps ever - so let us design some. Let the obviously passionate community see how long it can keep this game going with it's own imagination. Far Cry 2 had a brilliant map editor - simple to use and there were a bunch of great efforts. That game lived on well past it's sell by because of it. If the community maps are good - well there you go, you've got ready made maps for LEGION - play tested. I love DUST and I support LEGION but I am just not going to buy a PC. Reading between the lines I have a feeling you guys want to and will make a PS4 version so I'm happy to hold out for that - but give your loyal console fans a few tools to see us through. With all this talk of DUST being a failure and the PS3 not being good enough to sustain your vision it is also pretty obvious you must have done something right. There wouldn't be all this teeth gnashing unless people really love this game already.. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥

Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 257	Posted - 2014.05.13 23:29:00 - [561] - Quote Add isk to daily log on bonus I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
xXx Nemesis xXx Da Short Buss Driving School 0	Posted - 2014.05.14 03:04:00 - [562] - Quote Bat Cow wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hey everyone! DUST 514 Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Speaking of which, IGÇÖll get back to you guys next week with more info on how weGÇÖll proceed for DUST. Our plan is to be as transparent as possible, which I know itGÇÖs easy to say now, but itGÇÖs what weGÇÖre working towards. Your primary point of contact in the dev team, which IGÇÖll introduce next week, will have the mission to engage with you all and of course CPM as early as possible. Stay tuned, I think you'll like him. :) Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. Game balance: 1) Something really needs to be done with swarm damage applying properly (there are numerous videos detailing this) 2) Swarms range- Swarms are useless against dropships, as most simply fly out of range and continue to bombard with impunity 3) Dropship pilots- Seems to me that there are few opportunities for pilots to really earn SP- perhaps they should get a bonus or more SP for kills/ferrying 4) Tankers/Turrets- Perhaps they should get less SP/WP per infantry kill and more for vehicle kills Other stuff-- Is it possible to fix the terrain for movement/running? I know this may not be a simple fix, but running/walking/jumping are necessary mechanics for any fps. It reflects poorly on CCP when it's still broken this late in the game. Specifically: 1) Having running interrupted and either stopped or forced into walking by small obstructions/falls. 2) When climbing up the sides of mountains, until you know the map, it can be a crap shoot whether or not the surface is climbable (two surfaces at the same incline, and one is scalable, while the other is not). 3) Randomness of not being able to run all the time, or at the incorrect speed. Also, it seems that numerous skills are not applying correctly- whether it's damage, speed, or armor bonuses. These should be fixed, or the skills removed from the skill tree- since they're wasted points. I have one main issue, and that's with proto-stomping. I also have a fix for that. Everyone knows that there are many corps that pay their members ISK to play all the time in proto gear, esentially making it "free" for them. People proto-stomp to quickly cap out. This creates an unfair situation which greatly imbalances the game. I propose that SP earned should be based on the meta level of all the gear added up between two combatants. All kills should not be equal! A guy all proto'd out would earn less SP for kills against people using lower grade equipment, while people in lower grade equipment would get more points for killing people in proto gear. This brings additional risk into the equation beyond just the monetary costs of proto gear, and would help to address the proto-stomp issue.
xXx Nemesis xXx Da Short Buss Driving School 0	Posted - 2014.05.14 03:10:00 - [563] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Fix the bug with bullet impact that's causing the "sloth-effect." My theory on what's causing it (because surely it can't be intentional ;)): It seems that the bullet-force, when applied to a character, temporarily resets the force applied by the controller, meaning you slow down even when running away from the enemy (really the hits should make you move away even faster if anything). Even though movement-force gets re-applied instantaneously, the acceleration-delay of the movement controls means you won't reach your full speed before the next bullet hits, again resetting your speed. You've never heard of "Bullet Time"?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5544	Posted - 2014.05.14 08:49:00 - [564] - Quote xXx Nemesis xXx wrote: Marc Rime wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Fix the bug with bullet impact that's causing the "sloth-effect." My theory on what's causing it (because surely it can't be intentional ;)): It seems that the bullet-force, when applied to a character, temporarily resets the force applied by the controller, meaning you slow down even when running away from the enemy (really the hits should make you move away even faster if anything). Even though movement-force gets re-applied instantaneously, the acceleration-delay of the movement controls means you won't reach your full speed before the next bullet hits, again resetting your speed. You've never heard of "Bullet Time"? Bullet time is when the bullets slow down and you keep moving normally so you can dodge them. When you get slowed down and the bullets keep moving at normal speed, that's the exact opposite of what bullet time means. It's also what happens when you get shot in DUST.
Baan Mee Ho Expert Intervention Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:45:00 - [565] - Quote Just answer question please.. The question that matters the most... - PC only ? - PC and PS4 ?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 676	Posted - 2014.05.14 20:16:00 - [566] - Quote @ CCP Rouge If Vehicle / AV Balance proves too complex a problem to solve, I would strongly suggest a Vehicle-Free Play Mode.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 690	Posted - 2014.05.14 23:16:00 - [567] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Again, IGÇÖm super eager to hear what you have to say and trust me, every post is being read by the team and I. YouGÇÖll see more of us engage with you all moving forward. @CCP_Rouge just it. please. nothing more from me Sorry for bad English =) >>> Legion rdy! <<<
ghjkki89876 Die Valkyrja General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.05.15 01:37:00 - [568] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge LOGI EDIT: Please make sure to read through all the dev posts in this thread before responding, a whole lot more questions have been answered.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 139	Posted - 2014.05.15 12:28:00 - [569] - Quote CCP are a bunch of thieves and liers. I sunk 1,000's of hours and 160 dollars (20 of it just a couple of weeks ago) into a game that was in perpetual beta all for the promise that it would get better. Now, I find out that you are going to abandon it!?!?!?!? Yeah, I said it, I've worked in software for 15 years (8 as a product manager), so I know that a small dev team cannot maintain two projects that directly compete. You can lie about keeping development going on dust, but the truth is that you are scrapping your beta for a new beta project. Even if you do maintain development, anyone who prefers PC gaming is gong to leave so all the Eve players that bought PS3s are going to abandon Dust which will shrink the player base to the point where matches won't be playable. Having my stuff transfer over to Legion is MEANINGLESS because I more or less never play PC games and I will NEVER play a PC FPS. If you have any scruples, you will refund the money that everyone sunk into dust. Otherwise, you are genuine thieves and i will curse the name of CCP every time I discuss video games with anyone until the day I die.
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 169	Posted - 2014.05.15 19:12:00 - [570] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: CCP are a bunch of thieves and liers. I sunk 1,000's of hours and 160 dollars (20 of it just a couple of weeks ago) into a game that was in perpetual beta all for the promise that it would get better. Now, I find out that you are going to abandon it!?!?!?!? Yeah, I said it, I've worked in software for 15 years (8 as a product manager), so I know that a small dev team cannot maintain two projects that directly compete. You can lie about keeping development going on dust, but the truth is that you are scrapping your beta for a new beta project. Even if you do maintain development, anyone who prefers PC gaming is gong to leave so all the Eve players that bought PS3s are going to abandon Dust which will shrink the player base to the point where matches won't be playable. Having my stuff transfer over to Legion is MEANINGLESS because I more or less never play PC games and I will NEVER play a PC FPS. If you have any scruples, you will refund the money that everyone sunk into dust. Otherwise, you are genuine thieves and i will curse the name of CCP every time I discuss video games with anyone until the day I die. seconded, thirded, etc... You want to make the Dust playerbase happy? Quit giving us the same 3 maps in Dom, let us sell useless crap back to the marketplace at a % of purchase price, and give us the racial weapons/vehicles/suits you promised but have yet to deliver on. Funny how all we want is what you promised from the start, and we've waited over a year. We didn't even throw a fit until you told us our game was done. P.S> Don't respond that Dust isn't dead, we all no there are no new items being introduced to the game. Unless someone wishes to play a game they never wanted (:see any FPS on PC, i.e. Legion) we are guaranteed of a diminishing experience. Thanks for stealing our money and telling us it was for our own good. Gratz on the lack of morality to pat yourselves on the back while doing it.

Adan Montano Pietsch Ahrendee Frontlinez 9	Posted - 2014.05.16 01:00:00 - [571] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: IGÇÖd like to hear on the specific items below if possible. Role and gear balance Ways to improve Planetary Conquest Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. I. Balance A) Vehicles 1. Blaster Turret - Increase dispersion; decrease range 2. HAV - Decrease acceleration; decrease turret rotation speed 3. Dropship - Fix swarm resistance B) Infantry 1. Buff Assault Frames C) Gear 1. Armor Plates - Increase movement penalty; apply penalty to rotation speed 2. Cloak - (See Section III below) 3. AV Grenades - Increase damage D) Primary Weaponry 1. Combat Rifle - Decrease RoF 2. Assault Rifle - Increase RoF 3. HMG - Decrease RoF; decrease range 4. Plasma Cannon - Increase projectile speed; increase direct damage 5. Sniper Rifle - Increase headshot multiplier 6. Swarms - Increase missile speed; increase lock-on range 7. Forge Gun - Increase direct damage E) Secondary Weaponry 1. Buff new pistols 2. Increase nova knife blade length II. Planetary Conquest A) Clone Packs 1. Introduce Clone Pack stacking B) Diminishing Returns 1. As clone sale volume increases, clone sales price decreases ... 2. Maintain sliding scale on a corp-by-corp basis C) Latency 1. Fix PC Lag III. Polish A) Cloak 1. Require user to manually activate and deactivate ... 2. Disable cloak auto-toggle on item swap (fixes fire-from-cloak) 3. Increase shimmer intensity when shot 4. Extend shimmer duration when shot 5. Deplete reserves when fluxed B) Environment 1. Remove all curbs 2. Fix sticky terrain C) Mechanics 1. Remove Stun Lock 2. Reduce backpedal speed +1 CCP could not do all that if they canceled Legion and put all focus back on Dust514 and a year to do it. It took them over a week to update the db that said dragonfly scout had 1h 3l 2e then broke it a week later only to take another week to fix it again. Still would be nice to have those changes but what you ask for is nothing but a pipe dream. WOAH WOAH WOAH i get the nerfs for other weapons but for the HMG are you serious do you know how little range it already has, and then you want to decrease its rof... HELL NOO that would completely destroy the gun, jesus what do you want to do destroy the heavy class completely, i noticed this is very focused on nerfing the heavies... WHY WOULD YOU NERF THE HEAVIES, they are already nerfed as they are... no, just no... i already have enough trouble with scouts outspeeding me by getting behind me, i don't need other heavies to do the same. And actually the some of the other things mentioned really dont need nerfs, im guessing that your an anti vehicle/ sniper since thats all that balance post benefits. -1 HMG FTW!!!!!!!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 688	Posted - 2014.05.16 01:18:00 - [572] - Quote Adan Montano Pietsch wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH i get the nerfs for other weapons but for the HMG are you serious do you know how little range it already has, and then you want to decrease its rof... HELL NOO that would completely destroy the gun, jesus what do you want to do destroy the heavy class completely You might be right. I'll revise my post.
Adan Montano Pietsch Ahrendee Frontlinez 10	Posted - 2014.05.16 02:17:00 - [573] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Adan Montano Pietsch wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH i get the nerfs for other weapons but for the HMG are you serious do you know how little range it already has, and then you want to decrease its rof... HELL NOO that would completely destroy the gun, jesus what do you want to do destroy the heavy class completely You might be right, so I'll revise my post. Stun Lock and the HMG intertwined. First, cut away the bug. To be safe. Sweet HMG FTW!!!!!!!
Nemesis 888 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:28:00 - [574] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: xXx Nemesis xXx wrote: Marc Rime wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality. Fix the bug with bullet impact that's causing the "sloth-effect." My theory on what's causing it (because surely it can't be intentional ;)): It seems that the bullet-force, when applied to a character, temporarily resets the force applied by the controller, meaning you slow down even when running away from the enemy (really the hits should make you move away even faster if anything). Even though movement-force gets re-applied instantaneously, the acceleration-delay of the movement controls means you won't reach your full speed before the next bullet hits, again resetting your speed. You've never heard of "Bullet Time"? Bullet time is when the bullets slow down and you keep moving normally so you can dodge them. When you get slowed down and the bullets keep moving at normal speed, that's the exact opposite of what bullet time means. It's also what happens when you get shot in DUST. Dude you're too serious! I was j/k!! :D
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 62	Posted - 2014.05.16 16:05:00 - [575] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hey guys, sorry about not getting back to you earlier. HereGÇÖs some more info for you. I want to address the concerns about character migration from DUST 514 to Project Legion if it goes ahead. There has been some concern about what I meant by GÇ£applicableGÇ¥. We are looking to migrate everything we can about characters from DUST 514, including names, corporation membership, skill points, assets and ISK. We have not yet decided how this would translate to the new items and progression system in Legion, but we want to make sure that the time and effort you committed in DUST 514 is carried over to Project Legion. I wanted to address the questions about what type of payment model we are looking to use with Project Legion. I want to make it free-to-play, but it will be slightly different to how it is in DUST. I want CCP Z to cover it soon for you guys in a dedicated dev blog. When it comes to DUST development I can tell you that we are currently looking at changes to Planetary Conquest, further iterating on item balance after Uprising 1.8 and some matchmaking improvements; all of which will be deployed as server-side updates. We currently don't have a date set for when you will get these updates. IGÇÖll do my best to answer more questions, and IGÇÖll also get other devs to chime in with answers to your questions. Please keep posting your thoughts and questions. What ever weapons, equipment, suits etc.. doesnt convert over, just compensate us for the retail price Supporter of Legion Supporter of Valkyrie Supporter/Fan of Eve
Hector Carson Hellz Gate of Awakening 0	Posted - 2014.05.21 18:49:00 - [576] - Quote This is a question that needs to be cleared up, is Dust 514 ending? If not, are there going to be additions or is Sony taking the rights to the game?
Jaed D'jaegweir Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.05.22 10:48:00 - [577] - Quote http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/21/playstation-free-to-play-revenue-up-50 "We do not live in a world of reality. We live in a world of perceptions." -Gerald Simmons
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5563	Posted - 2014.05.23 02:54:00 - [578] - Quote Still not seeing any answers to my concerns... Garrett Blacknova wrote: I have another big question. If DUST has been abandoned for Legion, but Legion isn't certain of even existing... ...will DUST get revived with maybe a DUST 2.0 reboot if Legion is tanked? Or is it scrapped, full stop, no going back? What I would really want to happen is for Legion to happen. PS4 preferably, since that was part of what we had always been led to believe would happen, but I'm not TOO upset with the idea of it moving to PC. But I DON'T want it to be "scrap DUST, leave it running on its own servers with just patches, release Legion as a separate game". I want to see Legion's development INTEGRATED with DUST. Make it a gradual shift. Use the assets being developed for Legion to expand DUST over the next maybe 2 years. DON'T rush to release Legion in a year's time and cut DUST out of the picture. Almost everyone here has been through almost a reboot with Uprising anyway. It was a MASSIVE deviation from what DUST had been prior - and not all the changes were improvements. We're still here. We can take a few disappointments if we can see that they're leading in the right direction. EVEN if one of those disappointments is the (eventual) discontinuation of our VERSION of the game for a new, better version on the next platform(s) you want to support. If CCP continues to support DUST, instead of trying to pretend that the patches and cleanup jobs they SHOULD have done months ago while they were working on Legion are "support", then so will I. If they provide new content, EVEN if it's more limited or coming out slower because it's coming indirectly via Legion, I'll play with and against the new toys and give honest feedback on them. If there's a GRADUAL shift in focus from the current game to the "reboot", I'll be on board all the way. If DUST is left as-is, with only the long-overdue bug fixes and balance "improvements" (hopefully ones which actually improve the game, but knowing CCP, good luck), then... Well, good luck with that. I might - MIGHT consider downloading a free client. Maybe. But I can guarantee that I will be spending a grand total of precisely NOTHING AT ALL on the game EVER, and I'm unlikely to play it regularly even if it's good. Additionally, in the rare playtime I do have, I'll be advertising the reasons WHY I'm not playing it much to those people who are interested. In the past, I've been very good at convincing players to part with money for products I like and am willing to support, and I've ALSO been very good at convincing people to NOT spend money on supporting companies I've seen behaving in an unethical manner. As has already been said, in this thread and elsewhere, you reap what you sow. If you upset paying customers, you might still see them PLAYING, but they won't be PAYING any more.
Killgore Monte Hellz Gate of Awakening 0	Posted - 2014.05.31 18:55:00 - [579] - Quote I just got a great idea for Project legion, instead of taking Dust 514 off the PS3 just make PC like EVE but instead your a soldier for the Faction not a merc. This is just a suggestion, just to let you know I don't know if someone had already made this suggestion so don't yell at me
Decasor the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 54	Posted - 2014.06.01 08:42:00 - [580] - Quote It does make sense, the only surprise is that it took CCP so long to admit it. The PS3 (and consoles in general) simply are not up to the 'massive online' experience at this level. The constant freezing and lag are only one of the symptoms. Consoles really are the poor cousins of PC's. Relying upon another company, be it Microsoft, or Sony, to host your network and game, is the stuff of nightmares, so much dictation and rules to follow that will limit the game. Its an incredible shame that CCP didn't see this during early development, was it the lure of Sony development money? As a result there are an awful lot of really pissed off people who have wasted massive amounts of time and money. Quite devastating, in a psychological sense. Shocking business practice. On the other hand, if they can actually bring project legion to PC, then we should finally have the experience we were all looking for. Thinking back, have been waiting for this game to get going for half a decade, and now more promises. Unbelievable.

illy666 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:20:00 - [581] - Quote o7 Wow, some drama here... @ CCP , as a long Member in UPS the only thing i can tell u , we were active about 30 - 40 Players before u have done ur announcement on Fanfest. Now , its rush hour in our corpchannel if 3 players are online at same time. just telling what happened without big drama :-) My Opinion: I've played EveOnline for 11 Years and now my accs just skilling because i found something cool on console like Eve, skilling around ,see the progress, so i was stuck hours in Dust and destroying pixel .Its my first shooter on PS3 and i loved it because its different then the usual CoD 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,Ghost-Special Something,CuckNorris-Version,MW1,2,3,4,5,6 bla bla .... but after ur Announcement on Fanfest my total playtime was 2 hours untill this post Think about the PS4 Version ,I dont give a F*** if it cost 60 Euro like usual Games in Germany , i will always pay money for good games which worth it to give my money and my time on it !! +1 , i will buy the PS4 Version :-) PS: Thanks for a really cool free game , u have not dissapointed an old EVE Online Player
rexxd22 elliott THE TOVAC JUSTICE 5	Posted - 2014.06.03 22:49:00 - [582] - Quote I just hope legion will actually be popular unlike dust. I mean where were the advertisements for it.i hope Ccp makes advertisements for this.i just happened to stumble upon dust by accident.i was just looking for something new to play on the playstation store.im happy that I found this game.but know I need to buy a computer for this new game......
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 166	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:44:00 - [583] - Quote rexxd22 elliott wrote: I just hope legion will actually be popular unlike dust. I mean where were the advertisements for it.i hope Ccp makes advertisements for this.i just happened to stumble upon dust by accident.i was just looking for something new to play on the playstation store.im happy that I found this game.but know I need to buy a computer for this new game...... I had to buy a new PS3 after my first one died and it came with a free pack of digital goods including a booster. That is what got me to try it out. Guys at work had heard about it from game review sites. Unfortunately, all of those reviews were on the negative side. Not outright trashing the game, but overall not good.
rexxd22 elliott THE TOVAC JUSTICE 5	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:15:00 - [584] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: rexxd22 elliott wrote: I just hope legion will actually be popular unlike dust. I mean where were the advertisements for it.i hope Ccp makes advertisements for this.i just happened to stumble upon dust by accident.i was just looking for something new to play on the playstation store.im happy that I found this game.but know I need to buy a computer for this new game...... I had to buy a new PS3 after my first one died and it came with a free pack of digital goods including a booster. That is what got me to try it out. Guys at work had heard about it from game review sites. Unfortunately, all of those reviews were on the negative side. Not outright trashing the game, but overall not good. Ya...all of the reviews i saw were negative or like you said but.i just really hope Ccp makes advertisements for legion.but since it's going to be on PC.it might go to steam.so maybe it will get more popular.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 166	Posted - 2014.06.05 14:15:00 - [585] - Quote rexxd22 elliott wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: rexxd22 elliott wrote: I just hope legion will actually be popular unlike dust. I mean where were the advertisements for it.i hope Ccp makes advertisements for this.i just happened to stumble upon dust by accident.i was just looking for something new to play on the playstation store.im happy that I found this game.but know I need to buy a computer for this new game...... I had to buy a new PS3 after my first one died and it came with a free pack of digital goods including a booster. That is what got me to try it out. Guys at work had heard about it from game review sites. Unfortunately, all of those reviews were on the negative side. Not outright trashing the game, but overall not good. Ya...all of the reviews i saw were negative or like you said but.i just really hope Ccp makes advertisements for legion.but since it's going to be on PC.it might go to steam.so maybe it will get more popular. the free to play model and hardcore niche games are much more normal on the PC, and more eve players will be tempted to play it if they don't need to buy a console, so I expect that legion will do better. I would not expect it to be hugely popular because it will still be a niche game and from what I've read CCP is not particularly good at making well realized games. COD is massively popular because it is more widely appealing than dust ever could have been. Frankly, as much as it pisses me off to know I invested heavily in a beta of a game that I will not play once it moves to PC, I actually think it is the right move. KBM and controllers never should have been allowed on the same game both because of the difficulty of balancing the two and because CCP would have had a hard enough time doing one of the controls right, let alone the debacle of them handling two of them.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 28	Posted - 2014.06.06 23:35:00 - [586] - Quote you all are whiners im glad they are still giving some love to dust and even allowing us to migrate our Dust characters and stuff to Legion.. so all the more reason to NOT stop playing. Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
Rigor Mordis Doomsday Defense 64	Posted - 2014.06.09 05:06:00 - [587] - Quote I think that all of the ****-eyed optimists are overlooking the fact that DUST has lost a good majority of anyone who was around early on. So what makes anyone think that that "Project Legion" will be any better? Project DUST was stillborn. Aside from all of the empty promises, changes in the very game's description, short-sighted PC design, and arrogant, holier than thou people who have actually spent 10 years of their lives wandering aimlessly through space...DUST is just not a very good game overall. And, it continues to get worse. Everyone was told that they had to make a long term commitment to DUST while all of the while it was supposed to significantly be improved and updated over time. A year later on DUST and there is almost nothing that would motivate me, a console AND pc gamer, to want to use my high-end pc's hard drive space, for the "reimaging" of something that did not deliver any of the MMO FPS RPG, 'hardcore', action, etc. etc. etc. I also think that most of the console people were under the impression that EVE online was something more massive than it really is. I think that most had made the assumption that EVE was full of hardcore spaceship action that would transfer and really correlate with DUST. Wrong. There is no REAL integration between the two, other than actual Orbital strikes, which are rather lame btw. Also, once one figures out that mouse and keyboard controls are ridiculously advantageous over the PS3 controller, the jig is up, and the console enthusiast is put-out by what is either an inexcusable oversight, or a blatant action to give the PC EVE loyalists a hand up on the console controller users. There are and have been several manifestos to all that is/WAS wrong with DUST. I won't make this another one. Its not cool that people were laid off. That is internal and could have been the result of several different matters. I would hope that it wasn't a result of DUST's declining numbers (AUR buyers) because a severe drop-off is evident. My local channel was full during the beta and pretty much up until about 2 months after the "full game" launch. I haven't played much or at all in a while and for the last week or so, the most I have seen on that local channel is 5, self included. I hope that CCP continues to develop DUST and I would like to see a PS4 "reimaging" someday. Best of luck with Legion, unless that "reimaging" is something significantly better than DUST, I won't even bother. And, when I say better, I don't necessarily mean deeper. It will obviously be deeper and probably too complex on PC for the average FPS, RTS people. If were the king over there at CCP, I would transfer JUST the Core skills and basic weapons/ suits/ equipment/ etc. SCRAP cloaks, flaylocks, rail rifles, and all of the other mumbo jumbo BS. Completely rethink having 15 different projectile weapons...seriously? If I were them, I would completely start ground up with Legion and TRY to develop DUST into something worth playing for the masses. Maps, vehicles, just everything. And don't get people's hopes up like you did with DUST. That supposed launch of the "full game" was really one of the most disappointing video game experiences that I ever had. I, probably like many others, was expecting this thing to go from a really rough beta, into this massively hardcore MMO were everyone would be constantly battling for numerous territories throughout a vast universe. Wrong. Instead, it went from a really rough beta, into one of the poorer FPS lobbies on the market. Its a great vision, but I, being relatively new to CCP, am not confident that they can deliver such. Same game, with a thousand more bells and whistles but no real mechanical improvement or balance, is still not a winner.
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2014.06.09 21:06:00 - [588] - Quote Want to know why DUST never became COD 200014? oNE biGG fATT word: PUBLICITY.... WHERE THE HELL IS THE ADVERTISING? you know a game's marketing department are sitting there eating donuts and jackin off to amarr female characters when you have to trawl through the free games one bored summer just to discover DUST 514 EXISTS! excuse my anger, but it is deserved NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 3	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:55:00 - [589] - Quote Hi CCP. If you want to make a fantastic game, Inmprove the interactions between Eve and Dust. We are a FW Gallente Corp. Our capsulier are in fight and it's impossible to find battles for dusters in their places , even if they plex during nights. I remember it was possible 1 year ago, to chose the battle. Now, they just stop to exist... So, cause dusters are useless in fw, they go to Planetary Conquest. But our capsulers are in Essence. So, big problem for us Dusters. Now we understand. You improve the game to separate Capsulers and dusters. 2 games, 2 goals, ansd impossible to make something together. The only choice is to be a fw amar corporation. Both fw and pc. No logistic, no problems. For the balance in Dust, good work. Only 2 things: -The rail rifle ever makes instant kill, but I think you love it. It's the only solution. He makes more damages on close combat than the gallente one. If you take a standart or sb-39 at 70 meters, damages seems like a Duvolle at 10 meters. Take a kalakioota, you can destroy a heavy on 2 s and the few time before it starts to shoot is just an habitude to take. Or put 1s, to really nerf. But we know you love caldari... -The forge gun is largely unbalanced. Our better heavy forge gun told me he one shots most of the drophips. 2 shots for all of them max. Is it normal? A lonely man can destroy tanks, dropships, 300 meters far and the infantry too? When I take my Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher (full skills 3 damagers), I make just few damages on the shield, none with a hardener. And it's really difficult to kill a tank or a drophip alone. They escape too quickly out of range, and even if they have bad fits, when they come back, shield is full. So you start again, 3 shots, reload etc... If you fix this, balance is ok I think. Time to start developpement for the assaults on stargates with capsulers etc... ^^ Don't trust all these noisy teens, this game is great!
Rigor Mordis Doomsday Defense 64	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:35:00 - [590] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Hi CCP. If you want to make a fantastic game, Inmprove the interactions between Eve and Dust. We are a FW Gallente Corp. Our capsulier are in fight and it's impossible to find battles for dusters in their places , even if they plex during nights. I remember it was possible 1 year ago, to chose the battle. Now, they just stop to exist... If you fix this, balance is ok I think. Time to start developpement for the assaults on stargates with capsulers etc... ^^ Don't trust all these noisy teens, this game is great! You just made one point to how it has gotten worse. "year ago" Game is horrible....look around. Where are all the players? Not everyone who doesn't go down on CCP is a teen. However, judging by the complete lack of anything exciting going on in space and CCP's own dev posts within these very forums. It seems to be a company AND community with an adolescent mind-set.

Kimlock Cerberus Aaries Logistic Assault 0	Posted - 2014.06.13 15:37:00 - [591] - Quote I might have a few ideas that might help project legion help Dust reach its full potential #1. when there is a Epic sace battle in eve online and there and shuttles boarding the enemy frigate who the people inside that frigate? no other than us Dust players Battling it out trying our Hardest to take control of the ship #2. let us travel Inside an eve players ship. some of my friends were chatting about this the other night and that could be exciting to travel with eve pilots and chatting with them #3. while we are traveling with eve players and they find a drone infested ruin station , the ship could Land inside the ruins to drop off us dust players to secure the area inside while the eve player battles drones outside. #4. Add more planets. we need more planets some dust players are kind of tired of fighting in the same battlefield over and over. so we need to have Lava planets, icy planets Heck even some jungle and/or forrest planets. so dust players can feel more ecxited in the planets breath taking and dangerous environment well ...thats all folks im sure some of you would agree with me and this will help Dust514 to reach its full potential
Xmar Handfelid Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.06.13 16:17:00 - [592] - Quote (cough) make legion for ps4 (cough) "If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 791	Posted - 2014.06.14 05:53:00 - [593] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge LOGI EDIT: Please make sure to read through all the dev posts in this thread before responding, a whole lot more questions have been answered. So to some it up your killing Dust 514 as is your not moving on to PS4 With it but jumping ship to bail out of keeping your word of something new. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
V1RONXSS AL0NE Inc. 11	Posted - 2014.06.15 09:39:00 - [594] - Quote Hi, as i sayd here, i bought ps3 only to try Dust, but will not buy gaming PC to try Legion, have enough from betatesting for you CCP using my own resourses.
Trevor K Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:51:00 - [595] - Quote Now that you've had us fund your original plan, Legion, could you please remove ALL traces of PC interface tools that unbalance the console game? Referring to KB/M support. If people want to use KB/M, let them go get Legion for PC. This is a console game now, and as such, should ONLY use DS or Move controllers.
Take Off Hoser Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2014.06.16 14:40:00 - [596] - Quote Xmar Handfelid wrote: (cough) make legion for ps4 (cough) what he coughed ^^
Hector Carson Hellz Gate of Awakening 0	Posted - 2014.06.16 20:17:00 - [597] - Quote Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. This proves that there not going to get rid of Dust, now stfu about the damn rumors
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1103	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:05:00 - [598] - Quote Man, if this kind of transparency existed from the get go, the community would have been kissing your feet, CCP. A very pleasant and unexpected turn by the CCP leadership. Thank you, Rogue! I like EVE enough that I will stick with you but only if you guys change your ways and start being honest and open about things like your post just exemplified - again, thanks; this is very refreshing. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
ROEG X Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 59	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:13:00 - [599] - Quote You guys should have Sony Dev kits. You guys made the New Eden universe cross platform. I don't know why Legion would be on PC first instead of PS4. Just wondering could you develop for both platforms instead of just one? just a thought. PC is awesome but PS4 is awesome as well, I hope I see LEGION on PS4 because the Dust 514 fan base is console gamers for the most part. Alot of my friends don't even play Dust 514 anymore after your announcement at fanfest. It's heartbreaking to see good corporations die and people leave the game because LEGION isn't going to the PS4. It's sad. Hope you guys reconsider.
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 541	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:29:00 - [600] - Quote ROEG X wrote: You guys should have Sony Dev kits. You guys made the New Eden universe cross platform. I don't know why Legion would be on PC first instead of PS4. Just wondering could you develop for both platforms instead of just one? just a thought. PC is awesome but PS4 is awesome as well, I hope I see LEGION on PS4 because the Dust 514 fan base is console gamers for the most part. Alot of my friends don't even play Dust 514 anymore after your announcement at fanfest. It's heartbreaking to see good corporations die and people leave the game because LEGION isn't going to the PS4. It's sad. Hope you guys reconsider. Ditto for me. o7 I remember the activation times of those "Fizzle Pop" RE's from back in the day. "Insert* Gunny Highway quote.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. 2878	Posted - 2014.06.21 21:44:00 - [601] - Quote My concern is that the game will be shut down, due to your manager's incompetence and macho attitudes between the managers and employees, as presented in the following article in The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf "The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
EXCUTIONR BRUTAL DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2014.06.23 04:30:00 - [602] - Quote DJINN Loki wrote: thanks for the reply. i think it will help simmer things down a bit. I'm not happy about how the whole thing went down, but i understand why its being done and believe that for dust to be the game we want it to be, it needed to move away from the PS3. i don't really have a question to ask, but just wanted to say that i still support the game and you guys and look forward to legion. ill still keep playing dust in the hope that if our characters do move over to legion, ill still have a high SP character and tons of ISK. fool
CHECHOMAN G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2014.06.24 10:17:00 - [603] - Quote .... EVE-LEGION-HISPANO.ES.TL/(^o=)\
Xmar Handfelid Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.06.25 11:32:00 - [604] - Quote It's funny that Ccp says that they can't make a ps4 port for leigion, but they showed eve valkerie for ps4. And not only that there's no way that they should have a ps4 devkit. Care to explain ccp.( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) "If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
Xmar Handfelid Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.06.25 11:34:00 - [605] - Quote Should not have ps4 devkits I mean. ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) "If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.06.25 18:21:00 - [606] - Quote Ok i have read every single post here and most of it are the same exact questions that have already been answered, at this point there is no pc version or ps4 version because it is still being created. When the game is finished you can expect that there might be a ps5 release since it may take a few years to get a finished product to promote to the gamers of the world. as for people that believe that the use of kb/m is messing up the game, there are several games that allow kb/m just for more presice handling, you can turn and strafe and fire a lot faster with kb/m then with any kind of control just because of the dead spots in the control that a kb/m does not have. All anyone does is complain that the game does not work as they would like it to work. well guess what, learn to adjust or go back to C.o.D where you belong because in case none of you noticed this game is still not complete yet, we have yet to get the rest of the drop ships and tanks and lavs, as well as the pilot suits, and racial weapons that are missing. once they have been put into the game then start complaining about stuff.
Osiris DeWynter GalacticGuardians 514 0	Posted - 2014.06.25 21:43:00 - [607] - Quote Destiny awaits.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:54:00 - [608] - Quote PS4, 100%. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Unholy HateGore highland marines 8	Posted - 2014.07.01 14:27:00 - [609] - Quote Sorry I already posted in another area but will ask here as well. I have been a console player all my life. I know you computer guys look down upon us so I will ask for your help in this matter. Could some one tell me what the requirements of a decent tower would be to run Legion? I don't want to pay out the ass. I called best buy about having them build one for me because I hear making one is cheaper than buying one but they told me it would be about the same. I want to continue dust but I already have a ps3 and 4 now so I need a PC to continue my favorite game. Some one help. Thanks
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:37:00 - [610] - Quote Unholy HateGore wrote: Sorry I already posted in another area but will ask here as well. I have been a console player all my life. I know you computer guys look down upon us so I will ask for your help in this matter. Could some one tell me what the requirements of a decent tower would be to run Legion? I don't want to pay out the ass. I called best buy about having them build one for me because I hear making one is cheaper than buying one but they told me it would be about the same. I want to continue dust but I already have a ps3 and 4 now so I need a PC to continue my favorite game. Some one help. Thanks i personally went to pc richards and bought my pc that was between 600-800 usd, and it rns perfectly fine on any game i have played. plantside 2, warframe, eve, dcuo, infinity crisis, they all run just fine on default settings. you do not have to go out and buy a 2-3k gaming pc to play legion especially if its built with similar stuff that eve has.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2074	Posted - 2014.07.02 19:48:00 - [611] - Quote Consumers moving into the Summer season and general North American Holiday and recreational season, need some kind of product confidence in the DUST 514's IP and the consumers confidence investing into the persistent nature of the IP and CCP. When consumers know for sure what for SP is being transferred over to Legion if an when CCP gives the full green light, they will feel more liberal with making investments into their character and personalization into the game and product of DUST 514. Items and ISK doesn't even matter, it's all that skillpoint figure and attachment with their personalized characters. Consumer confidence and trust is at an all time low, if you are able to manage that and gain some back with assurances, you could see revenue streams starting to recover over the summer holidays.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 320	Posted - 2014.07.04 20:00:00 - [612] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Consumers moving into the Summer season and general North American Holiday and recreational season, need some kind of product confidence in the DUST 514's IP and the consumers confidence investing into the persistent nature of the IP and CCP. When consumers know for sure what for SP is being transferred over to Legion if an when CCP gives the full green light, they will feel more liberal with making investments into their character and personalization into the game and product of DUST 514. Items and ISK doesn't even matter, it's all that skillpoint figure and attachment with their personalized characters. Consumer confidence and trust is at an all time low, if you are able to manage that and gain some back with assurances, you could see revenue streams starting to recover over the summer holidays. all true except that items and isk are part of that personalized development and do matter... greatly.... and we need bpo security.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2014.07.05 23:42:00 - [613] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Bethhy wrote: Consumers moving into the Summer season and general North American Holiday and recreational season, need some kind of product confidence in the DUST 514's IP and the consumers confidence investing into the persistent nature of the IP and CCP. When consumers know for sure what for SP is being transferred over to Legion if an when CCP gives the full green light, they will feel more liberal with making investments into their character and personalization into the game and product of DUST 514. Items and ISK doesn't even matter, it's all that skillpoint figure and attachment with their personalized characters. Consumer confidence and trust is at an all time low, if you are able to manage that and gain some back with assurances, you could see revenue streams starting to recover over the summer holidays. all true except that items and isk are part of that personalized development and do matter... greatly.... and we need bpo security. why do you need bpo security? cant keep you isk stuff for very long?
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1870	Posted - 2014.07.08 17:38:00 - [614] - Quote Is there going to be an option between PC or PS4 ?! The answer to that question is what matters to most of US... Everything else is secondary...
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.07.08 19:46:00 - [615] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Is there going to be an option between PC or PS4 ?! The answer to that question is what matters to most of US... Everything else is secondary... They've said no to PS4 since day 1 after fanfest. There's a possibility Legion might make it there eventually, but since Legion doesn't technically exist yet, there may never be a PC version let alone a PS4 version.
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1875	Posted - 2014.07.09 12:25:00 - [616] - Quote RayRay James wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Is there going to be an option between PC or PS4 ?! The answer to that question is what matters to most of US... Everything else is secondary... They've said no to PS4 since day 1 after fanfest. There's a possibility Legion might make it there eventually, but since Legion doesn't technically exist yet, there may never be a PC version let alone a PS4 version. Might aswell spend 170$ and get the Destiny Ghost Edition then
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 0	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:27:00 - [617] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Ok i have read every single post here and most of it are the same exact questions that have already been answered, at this point there is no pc version or ps4 version because it is still being created. When the game is finished you can expect that there might be a ps5 release since it may take a few years to get a finished product to promote to the gamers of the world. as for people that believe that the use of kb/m is messing up the game, there are several games that allow kb/m just for more presice handling, you can turn and strafe and fire a lot faster with kb/m then with any kind of control just because of the dead spots in the control that a kb/m does not have. All anyone does is complain that the game does not work as they would like it to work. well guess what, learn to adjust or go back to C.o.D where you belong because in case none of you noticed this game is still not complete yet, we have yet to get the rest of the drop ships and tanks and lavs, as well as the pilot suits, and racial weapons that are missing. once they have been put into the game then start complaining about stuff. Now THAT is great comedic writing, this guy needs to be working for SNL. Boy I can't wait for racial parity and pilot suits. When do you think they are coming out Vika? roflmfao!!!! And this is why the biomass thread was so important. Does one of the vets wanna clue this guy in, or you just gonna smile and nod till they shut down the servers? I won't lie, I would like the vets to let the trainees keep dreaming. No NHL or NFL at the moment, and the rammblings of low SP new comers provides me some reading entertainment each night before bed. And remember, even though I may seem like a d*ck, I drop these troll posts for you, the clueless noobs. It will all be made clear very soon......
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:46:00 - [618] - Quote if you think 45mil sp, weak 1 clkosed beta vet as a new comer then thats the biggest laugh
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 0	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:01:00 - [619] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: if you think 45mil sp, weak 1 clkosed beta vet as a new comer then thats the biggest laugh Then what on gods green earth are you doing making posts like the one I quoted? Closed Beta doesn't mean didly if you act like you just walked in the door. Did you AFK from closed beta till now? Sersiously, when do you think the pilot suits are coming? lol.
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 0	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:23:00 - [620] - Quote Trust me, a part of me feels bad. If your tenure here is as long as you claim, you put in your work and I applaude you. Of course, if your tenure is as long as you claim, you must realize questions about racial parity and pilot suits are incredibly silly to ask. You know the answer to said questions, the writing was on the wall before the exodus, granted we didn't see it then, but for fcks sake its plain as day now. sigh* So many great things could have been. Tis sad. But it is what it is, and hopes for new equipment, suits, vehicles, and guns are equal to asking when ol' Santee Claus is gonna slide his fat @ss down the chimeny. I mean really, are you a closed beta vet? Really? Well then wake the f*ck up. God I hope your not still throwing money at CCP. On the plus side looks like they finally got the CPM vote going. In a pretty timely fashion if I do say so myself. That last bit was sarcasm, if you weren't aware.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:42:00 - [621] - Quote Got That Dodi wrote: Trust me, a part of me feels bad. If your tenure here is as long as you claim, you put in your work and I applaude you. Of course, if your tenure is as long as you claim, you must realize questions about racial parity and pilot suits are incredibly silly to ask. You know the answer to said questions, the writing was on the wall before the exodus, granted we didn't see it then, but for fcks sake its plain as day now. sigh* So many great things could have been. Tis sad. But it is what it is, and hopes for new equipment, suits, vehicles, and guns are equal to asking when ol' Santee Claus is gonna slide his fat @ss down the chimeny. I mean really, are you a closed beta vet? Really? Well then wake the f*ck up. God I hope your not still throwing money at CCP. On the plus side looks like they finally got the CPM vote going. In a pretty timely fashion if I do say so myself. That last bit was sarcasm, if you weren't aware. I wasn't asking about that stuff since everyone knows that we wont get a client side update that allows us to get that stuff. I was using it as an example that the game is unfinished and never will be finished, so stop the whining and b!tching that its unbalanced. CCP is doing the best they can to balance the game with what they were given to work with, then again if they didn't screw over their player base and soe with there broken promises they would be allowed to give us client side updates and finish the game.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.07.11 16:57:00 - [622] - Quote RayRay James wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Is there going to be an option between PC or PS4 ?! The answer to that question is what matters to most of US... Everything else is secondary... They've said no to PS4 since day 1 after fanfest. There's a possibility Legion might make it there eventually, but since Legion doesn't technically exist yet, there may never be a PC version let alone a PS4 version. Never seen them say no to PS4. They haven't mentioned it. They didn't even mention Valkerie to PS4 at Fanfest. They made a point to emphasize all three games on PC. I personally feel like that may have been some negotiating thing with Sony. It's hard to say honestly. To me it's a nobrainer that it should go to PS4, but then again when you consider how Legion was announced who knows? One of the things that Hans mentioned on the High Drag podcast (the Rouge Wedding episode) was that they really, really didn't want to promise anything after all the previous FF stuff that never made it into the game. I personally wouldn't doubt if Legion is much further along than they are letting on either.
Store Trine Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.07.13 23:30:00 - [623] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. It is that simple
Take Off Hoser Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:29:00 - [624] - Quote ^^^
Oceltot Mortalis 33	Posted - 2014.07.14 17:00:00 - [625] - Quote Store Trine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. It is that simple It started as a disaster, let's keep it that way. How much sense does that make? Granted, I'm all for a PS4 port later, but Planetside 2 started on PC then moved to PS4, it makes sense to make it work on the PC first. Because obviously, Sony double screening their work is counterintuitive. In life, I have this to regret. That too often, when I acquired ISK, I did not have enough of it. -everyone in EVE, ever
Mors The Butcher Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:45:00 - [626] - Quote Got That Dodi wrote: 843-Vika wrote: if you think 45mil sp, weak 1 clkosed beta vet as a new comer then thats the biggest laugh Then what on gods green earth are you doing making posts like the one I quoted? Closed Beta doesn't mean didly if you act like you just walked in the door. Did you AFK from closed beta till now? Sersiously, when do you think the pilot suits are coming? lol. closed beta dosnt matter its all still a beta you tart I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU
Mors The Butcher Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:48:00 - [627] - Quote Oceltot Mortalis wrote: Store Trine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. It is that simple It started as a disaster, let's keep it that way. How much sense does that make? Granted, I'm all for a PS4 port later, but Planetside 2 started on PC then moved to PS4, it makes sense to make it work on the PC first. Because obviously, Sony double screening their work is counterintuitive. ya it dose make sense less crying on the pc side of things they are more mature then ppl from the councles I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU
Glass Bowtie Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.07.16 22:26:00 - [628] - Quote You must not own a PC because here you are wading throught the sh*t just like the rest of us. PC peeps are so mature, they log into the forums of a console game to bash people. I think you are looking for the EVE forums slick. Go see how mature PC folks are.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 163	Posted - 2014.07.23 16:48:00 - [629] - Quote InsidiousN wrote: Why are console players being prohibited from entering the EVE Universe? Because new Eden is too good and too complex for you. There's no proper mmo experience on console to draw upon for feedback and by mmo I mean mmo, not diablo or other such nonsense that wishes it was an mmo. What console players consider 'new and fresh' is ALWAYS dated in comparison. I play both and have done for longer than a lot of dusters have even been alive. Even destiny, apparently an mmo, is just as much an instanced lobby shooter as any other. Just some re hashed rubbish with good graphics. Dust coming to console was just wrong from the get go. Most of the feedback was just mediocre rubbish like game modes and weapons with nerfs and buffs, nothing that was actually revolutionary or amazing. Console players lack the scope needed for decent game feedback, ps4 is the console catching up but the games that are available are nothing new or amazing at all. The graphics are good though........ Service with a smile
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 163	Posted - 2014.07.23 16:49:00 - [630] - Quote Store Trine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rouge, get this into your head. This started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game. It is that simple Nope, just you and your ilk. Service with a smile

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.07.23 16:59:00 - [631] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: InsidiousN wrote: Why are console players being prohibited from entering the EVE Universe? Because new Eden is too good and too complex for you. There's no proper mmo experience on console to draw upon for feedback and by mmo I mean mmo, not diablo or other such nonsense that wishes it was an mmo. What console players consider 'new and fresh' is ALWAYS dated in comparison. I play both and have done for longer than a lot of dusters have even been alive. Even destiny, apparently an mmo, is just as much an instanced lobby shooter as any other. Just some re hashed rubbish with good graphics. Dust coming to console was just wrong from the get go. Most of the feedback was just mediocre rubbish like game modes and weapons with nerfs and buffs, nothing that was actually revolutionary or amazing. Console players lack the scope needed for decent game feedback, ps4 is the console catching up but the games that are available are nothing new or amazing at all. The graphics are good though........ What do you consider Final Fantasy XIV????? its an mmo for ps3 so your wrong about that. MMos can thrive on consoles without a problem.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 166	Posted - 2014.07.23 17:02:00 - [632] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: InsidiousN wrote: Why are console players being prohibited from entering the EVE Universe? Because new Eden is too good and too complex for you. There's no proper mmo experience on console to draw upon for feedback and by mmo I mean mmo, not diablo or other such nonsense that wishes it was an mmo. What console players consider 'new and fresh' is ALWAYS dated in comparison. I play both and have done for longer than a lot of dusters have even been alive. Even destiny, apparently an mmo, is just as much an instanced lobby shooter as any other. Just some re hashed rubbish with good graphics. Dust coming to console was just wrong from the get go. Most of the feedback was just mediocre rubbish like game modes and weapons with nerfs and buffs, nothing that was actually revolutionary or amazing. Console players lack the scope needed for decent game feedback, ps4 is the console catching up but the games that are available are nothing new or amazing at all. The graphics are good though........ What do you consider Final Fantasy XIV????? its an mmo for ps3 so your wrong about that. MMos can thrive on consoles without a problem. Thank you for proving my point. 60 people per server, there's more people in a single bf4 match than that. Service with a smile
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 384	Posted - 2014.07.23 21:53:00 - [633] - Quote Wait a moment...are you calling us stupid? From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.07.23 22:00:00 - [634] - Quote Don't forget about DCUO, and just because it has a small server size does not mean anything. Its still perfectly balanced as a game. More people playing on a server does not equal a better game......if anything more people on a server means more chance of there being lag.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 168	Posted - 2014.07.23 22:14:00 - [635] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Don't forget about DCUO, and just because it has a small server size does not mean anything. Its still perfectly balanced as a game. More people playing on a server does not equal a better game......if anything more people on a server means more chance of there being lag. When they cheap out, yeah. And no 501st, its to do with experience, you can't draw decent feedback from people who are console centric. Its always mediocre, inside the box type thinking but ps4 will see the evolution of console centric gamers, the hardware will allow for much better games and especially with that 8 core beast. There's not even anything that uses all the ps4s power yet, planetside 2 will be great for sure. The os4 can handle something like 2 million things on the screen at once with that CPU and its relatively light os will be grand........once something thats actually decent comes out that uses it all. Service with a smile
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 168	Posted - 2014.07.23 22:18:00 - [636] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Don't forget about DCUO, and just because it has a small server size does not mean anything. Its still perfectly balanced as a game. More people playing on a server does not equal a better game......if anything more people on a server means more chance of there being lag. I forgot to add, on console, you guys seem to think that a lot of people playing makes it an mmo. An mmo on PC is expected to have a lot of players in the same space. I play planetside 2 and iv been in battles with at least 400 people on the screen at once, the maps and battles are huge. I'm seriously looking forward to that on ps4, you guys are in for a treat. Service with a smile
wayrow1 BUSH HUNTERS 23	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:49:00 - [637] - Quote low genius wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest. 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon. 2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev? No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles? It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. 4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion? Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge stop asking yourself easy questions so you can look smart. so the exodus to destiny begins
Guybrush Threeps K-A-O-S theory 1	Posted - 2014.07.27 10:08:00 - [638] - Quote This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 29	Posted - 2014.07.27 13:40:00 - [639] - Quote Guybrush Threeps wrote: This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs. Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5616	Posted - 2014.07.28 03:02:00 - [640] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Guybrush Threeps wrote: This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs. Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base. Buy a gaming LAPTOP for about 3x the base price of a PS4. Desktop is closer to the price of the new console. Count the fact that PC gaming doesn't require subscription costs. A year down the road, your PS4 price has caught up to the laptop and overtaken the desktop price, but the PCs are more powerful with more utility. Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. The previous console generation was closer to being a match for their contemporary PCs. Just looking at raw numbers, the consoles were only a small amount short of what was available for PCs at the time. New consoles have a larger gap between their specs and those of PCs being released at the same time. Not only that, but previous-gen consoles had much more of a focus on a streamlined OS that focused all the power on running games. As time has moved on, more unnecessary extras have been tacked on, and most of those have been further integrated into the OS for the new consoles, taking resources AWAY from the primary role of being a gaming machine. The main reason older consoles were able to match - or in some cases outperform - PCs of their time was the lack of "distractions" from other programs running in the background. Newer consoles are not only further behind in terms of specs, but also lacking the one advantage that kept older consoles in the game. If someone made a gaming console that was ACTUALLY A GAMING CONSOLE instead of a PC designed for use in the living room like the new machines have turned into, and actually focused on making it an affordable gaming platform, then maybe we'd have something worth buying. And when I say "affordable", I mean affordable LONG-TERM with no subscription costs as well as short-term with a low starting price. Obviously.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2167	Posted - 2014.07.28 07:08:00 - [641] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. I have PS+ because of the content it gives, so I'm not actually paying anything extra to play online. F2P games also don't require PS+, so you wouldn't need it to play DUST/Legion. Most people won't switch to PC just to play DUST/Legion as there's a lot of reasons they're not already PC gamers (a single game on the PS3 or PS4 versus it being on PC is not one of those reasons). They're PS4 gamers and CCP abandoned them no matter what CCP says. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 145	Posted - 2014.07.28 15:49:00 - [642] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. I have PS+ because of the content it gives, so I'm not actually paying anything extra to play online. F2P games also don't require PS+, so you wouldn't need it to play DUST/Legion. Most people won't switch to PC just to play DUST/Legion as there's a lot of reasons they're not already PC gamers (a single game on the PS3 or PS4 versus it being on PC is not one of those reasons). They're PS4 gamers and CCP abandoned them no matter what CCP says. To r quite honest, the fact the that i must have ps+ in order to p[lay games online is what is holding me back from getting a PS4. I do usually have PS+ active on my account but there are times that i can't renew it for a couple of months and since i can't play games online with out it is a very bad concept for me. Most of my gaming is online, weather its playing Dust, or the Destiny beta or Ghosts( only during time of clan wars, and only because its part of my gaming clan, as i despise what any CoD game has done to what people think a FPS should be like) So I will be sticking with my ps3.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 75	Posted - 2014.07.28 17:28:00 - [643] - Quote If you don't have $18 for a service every 3months and your a adult gaming shouldn't be on your to do list
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 147	Posted - 2014.07.28 17:40:00 - [644] - Quote Jin no kami wrote: If you don't have $18 for a service every 3months and your a adult gaming shouldn't be on your to do list I just happen to have better thing to spend my money on....like taking my gf out to the movies instead of wasting money on video games unlike you i have a life outside of gaming, that is considered more of an adult life, where i don't have mommy and daddy paying my rent, buying my food, and paying for any game i want.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 75	Posted - 2014.07.28 21:27:00 - [645] - Quote I wish my parents paid for me still I don't see how that's a knock against ppl tbh but 60cent a day for a month honestly isn't alot of money. But to each his own
EMPEROR KillEm THE 3MPERORS 8	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:51:00 - [646] - Quote So you're not abandoning Dust.... until, you abandon Dust..? Wonderful. Was gonna spend 20 bucks n get some AUR for skillpoints and such but now that I know you guys are gonna nail n bail I'm not going to and the character transfer doesn't mean ** to me as it will be for PC. I was hoping Legion would succeed because I figured you could easily throw a small chunk of the profits towards keeping Dust up and running smoothly but apparently you guys will just end Dust so now I'm hoping this Project Legion turns into a total ***** disaster.
JF duBre Wraith Shadow Guards 16	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:52:00 - [647] - Quote Whatever ... after coming back from playing DESTINY Beta on PS4 I realized that this game DUST514 doesn't give me anything anymore and it feels that again we lost a lot of gamers in the last two or three weeks. :( Good bye Dusties ... and good bye CCP ... but a game needs more then balancing weapons and stuff or very little graphic updates. Is that really all you can do, CCP? A lot of unfulfilled promises, still no story, no real missions ...
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 184	Posted - 2014.08.01 03:00:00 - [648] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. I have PS+ because of the content it gives, so I'm not actually paying anything extra to play online. F2P games also don't require PS+, so you wouldn't need it to play DUST/Legion. Most people won't switch to PC just to play DUST/Legion as there's a lot of reasons they're not already PC gamers (a single game on the PS3 or PS4 versus it being on PC is not one of those reasons). They're PS4 gamers and CCP abandoned them no matter what CCP says. This is probably what many guys are still missing. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 181	Posted - 2014.08.02 10:51:00 - [649] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: So you're not abandoning Dust.... until, you abandon Dust..? Wonderful. Was gonna spend 20 bucks n get some AUR for skillpoints and such but now that I know you guys are gonna nail n bail I'm not going to and the character transfer doesn't mean ** to me as it will be for PC. I was hoping Legion would succeed because I figured you could easily throw a small chunk of the profits towards keeping Dust up and running smoothly but apparently you guys will just end Dust so now I'm hoping this Project Legion turns into a total ***** disaster. Ah we can buy sp now?. Cool story. Service with a smile
EMPEROR KillEm THE 3MPERORS 9	Posted - 2014.08.02 12:12:00 - [650] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: EMPEROR KillEm wrote: So you're not abandoning Dust.... until, you abandon Dust..? Wonderful. Was gonna spend 20 bucks n get some AUR for skillpoints and such but now that I know you guys are gonna nail n bail I'm not going to and the character transfer doesn't mean ** to me as it will be for PC. I was hoping Legion would succeed because I figured you could easily throw a small chunk of the profits towards keeping Dust up and running smoothly but apparently you guys will just end Dust so now I'm hoping this Project Legion turns into a total ***** disaster. Ah we can buy sp now?. Cool story. Been that way for awhile.. ever heard of active and passive skillpoint boosters? THE 3MPERORS Info ~THE 3MPERORS CEO

Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 508	Posted - 2014.08.07 18:28:00 - [651] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Bethhy wrote: Consumers moving into the Summer season and general North American Holiday and recreational season, need some kind of product confidence in the DUST 514's IP and the consumers confidence investing into the persistent nature of the IP and CCP. When consumers know for sure what for SP is being transferred over to Legion if an when CCP gives the full green light, they will feel more liberal with making investments into their character and personalization into the game and product of DUST 514. Items and ISK doesn't even matter, it's all that skillpoint figure and attachment with their personalized characters. Consumer confidence and trust is at an all time low, if you are able to manage that and gain some back with assurances, you could see revenue streams starting to recover over the summer holidays. all true except that items and isk are part of that personalized development and do matter... greatly.... and we need bpo security. This. I spent a bill in EVE isk on some templar BPOs and I would like to keep them. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Gemini Cuspid 116	Posted - 2014.08.10 07:57:00 - [652] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Guybrush Threeps wrote: This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs. Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base. Buy a gaming LAPTOP for about 3x the base price of a PS4. Desktop is closer to the price of the new console. Count the fact that PC gaming doesn't require subscription costs. A year down the road, your PS4 price has caught up to the laptop and overtaken the desktop price, but the PCs are more powerful with more utility. Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. The previous console generation was closer to being a match for their contemporary PCs. Just looking at raw numbers, the consoles were only a small amount short of what was available for PCs at the time. New consoles have a larger gap between their specs and those of PCs being released at the same time. Not only that, but previous-gen consoles had much more of a focus on a streamlined OS that focused all the power on running games. As time has moved on, more unnecessary extras have been tacked on, and most of those have been further integrated into the OS for the new consoles, taking resources AWAY from the primary role of being a gaming machine. The main reason older consoles were able to match - or in some cases outperform - PCs of their time was the lack of "distractions" from other programs running in the background. Newer consoles are not only further behind in terms of specs, but also lacking the one advantage that kept older consoles in the game. If someone made a gaming console that was ACTUALLY A GAMING CONSOLE instead of a PC designed for use in the living room like the new machines have turned into, and actually focused on making it an affordable gaming platform, then maybe we'd have something worth buying. And when I say "affordable", I mean affordable LONG-TERM with no subscription costs as well as short-term with a low starting price. Obviously. Probably THE biggest misconception when it comes to everyone bashing on the console. Have to start of buy saying my rig is an i7 rig and yeah I have the dual graphics on an extended mobo from Gigabyte. Its what I do my graphics on. I prefer, however, my console options. I too hesitated on the PS+ and 100% regret not doing it earlier. Paying $39 for a year and the titles I got have kept me more occupied and happy than the starter pack cost for Dust514. Not shelling out cash but still getting to play games like the rebooted Lara Croft, Dragon's Dogma, Bioshock Infinite and Borderlands 2 have paid for themselves. But the real problem with Legion and even Dust has never been power but execution. How many PC games bombed because of simply bad direction in general? When Dust514 came out it was being judged as a console game and it didn't fair that well. Having a more power platform to launch the game doesn't also stop you from suffering from a crappy AI, game imbalances or even horrible choices on equipment. The PS3 wasn't the reason why cloaks and scouts were so problematic months ago but rather because the developers made a crappy choice. Saying you're building it on the PC to make it "better" precludes that you're avoiding these traps of decision making. Frankly the real, honest gamers out there with an ounce of programming knowledge sometimes feel the most overlooked piece of a game is functionality: will it run and does it have a great foundation where expansions, changes and adjustment will not cause a community to rage back and fourth? This in general has the least to do with a console and the fact is after PS4's keynote speeches this year CCP probably wishes Valkyrie was PC only. No Many's Sky may not have the same degree of multiplayer capacity but the game concept and design is impressive enough with the headline of having less developers than people have fingers adds that insult to injury. CCP went on the PS3 because there was no shooter to really compete and to be in a market and fail as CCP did is pretty astonishing and horrible; it's like as if Adobe came out and lost to MS Paint. It's that bad because CCP had every opportunity to succeed and it just couldn't. Everyone who played in Beta probably even agrees that the game never felt like it got out of Beta ever. I'm still going to support Sony and the PS4 and easily PS+; it's something that I need a family member to push me into and glad I did and regret I didn't do it earlier. I could've spared myself buying Xcom but oh well. If anything CCP is the one I can't support. It's almost like why I left EvE; they just made it so that you wanted to hate them that much if anything.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1204	Posted - 2014.08.11 09:31:00 - [653] - Quote This means Dust 514 is FINALLY coming to PC ? About kitten time !!! Best news i heard all year...
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1204	Posted - 2014.08.11 09:43:00 - [654] - Quote As for feedback ... When project legion is going to Alpha and how can you get involve on it ?
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.08.15 01:12:00 - [655] - Quote I'm looking forward to DUST/Legion being available on PS4. I, along with many others, will not be buying a gaming computer in any foreseeable future and think that an FPS which revolves around the economic risk/reward systems we have in here will sufferdone across open internet/PC. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1349	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:23:00 - [656] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: This means Dust 514 is FINALLY coming to PC ? About kitten time !!! Best news i heard all year... Dust 514 is no longer being developed for anything beyond game balance. No client work (aka Dust 514 on PS3) is planned at this time. The as yet unfunded Project Legion is a prototype of a PC game being developed by CCP/Shanghai that is using the assets, code and developers from Dust 514. It will have many of the things promised to Dust 514 but never delivered, PVE being one. However, there is no guarantee that Project Legion will ever be more than a prototype. No decisions on any console would make sense until they decided to first make the game. Then they would have to decide how they were going to include (or not) the console player base. Most of CCP customers are PC players and they were very happy at the change. So, where did you hear that this has changed? I search but found nothing from CCP that says anything about Project Legion or Dust 514 has changed status. Basically they are at the same place as they were after fan fest when CCP let us know they were done using us. And so it goes.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1213	Posted - 2014.08.25 10:50:00 - [657] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: This means Dust 514 is FINALLY coming to PC ? About kitten time !!! Best news i heard all year... Dust 514 is no longer being developed for anything beyond game balance. No client work (aka Dust 514 on PS3) is planned at this time. The as yet unfunded Project Legion is a prototype of a PC game being developed by CCP/Shanghai that is using the assets, code and developers from Dust 514. It will have many of the things promised to Dust 514 but never delivered, PVE being one. However, there is no guarantee that Project Legion will ever be more than a prototype. No decisions on any console would make sense until they decided to first make the game. Then they would have to decide how they were going to include (or not) the console player base. Most of CCP customers are PC players and they were very happy at the change. So, where did you hear that this has changed? I search but found nothing from CCP that says anything about Project Legion or Dust 514 has changed status. Basically they are at the same place as they were after fan fest when CCP let us know they were done using us. They won't announce something like this if it is just an experiment ...In my experience when companies announce that they working on something if to see people reactions to it, and decide if they going to go farther with it. They have a positive reaction from fans and critics... so i believe it won't be a prototype for long, but we should see.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1351	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:17:00 - [658] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: They won't announce something like this if it is just an experiment ...In my experience when companies announce that they working on something if to see people reactions to it, and decide if they going to go farther with it. They have a positive reaction from fans and critics... so i believe it won't be a prototype for long, but we should see. However, you need to consider that this is CCP. They had just got slapped upside the head by their investors for piddling away ~$21M US on the Atlanta development team and the vampire vaporware that never shipped. They had to announce something or the investors would demand that CCP/Shanghai be shutdown if there was no reason for them to do anything as Dust 514 was done. So, they announced a prototype of a possible game called Project Legion (PL) and have repeated stated that there is absolutely no guarantee that it will ever be anything more than that. Why would CCP do this? Because EVR (Valkyrie VR on Oculus Rift) is a space combat that they showed off as a prototype. It got rave reviews, they boasted that it was just a proof of concept with a small team (now up to 25 devs). This gives them room to move in relationship to their nervous investors. Recall that CCP has only had one success, EVE Online. And they screwed the pooch on that more than just the $70 monocle. But they recovered! If they never release EVR then they have an easy out, just a prototype. Market changed too quickly, whatever. So, CCP calls PL a Prototype as well, limit it to the PC where they already have a fan base and if it looks feasible then they look like the geniuses only they believe they are and the investors don't demand their heads. There is no real expectation that Project Legion will be any good. It is based on Dust 514 that CCP themselves was a major disappointment to them and the fans. It drove a wedge into their fan base (bad idea by anybody) and now they can consolidate back to the one platform they understand - the PC. Which can demand as much RAM and GPU power as necessary without the very cost specific limitations that consoles are driven by. So, Dust 514 is in a holding pattern. If they can keep enough new players filtering in and buying AUR to cover expenses as the more experience (and bored or disappointed) players leave to other games that work and are actually growing then, hey why not? It is nothing more than a few devs CCP Rattiti, CCP Logibro and the janitor (who is a contractor no doubt). Plus it runs on their existing server solution. Project Legion will have to demonstrate a real potential to get the green light. The saving grace is they refuse to upgrade their Unreal Engine license so that cost is $0 and Shanghai is inexpensive compared to almost anywhere else. But, make no mistake - CCP will never leave their PC fan base again, beside EVR and that will most likely wind up on PC as well as Sony has other companies (real game companies) planning on using the Sony VR system. At least one of which will probably beat CCP to market on the console as their network won't be based on EVE Online. No PS3 improvement. No PS4, Xboner or WiiU in the future. There is a small chance that PL will show up on PC with a significant PVE component so players aren't stuck with only having to play with the useless drek of Blue Belles. Many EVE Online players are solo players and to keep them happy PL will have to enable that behavior as well. Not every player likes getting ganked by CCP and their standard players. In fact, a single player Dust 514 would probably allow many to continue playing as it is today (except that will require some code on the PS3 side or some tricks on the server). Past that, no I haven't thought about it much. The truth is that analysis was done in June, after fan fest. And so it goes.
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN ICE-9 PROJECT 41	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:27:00 - [659] - Quote so we get to keep our AUR gear and BPOs and other blue prints? but what about isk?
Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 81	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:55:00 - [660] - Quote I just read ccp let go 49 more ppl from their Icelandic office so they losing more money than expected dust514 might have just a skeleton crew watching this game just saying =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖî=ƒÖïG£î

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1354	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:35:00 - [661] - Quote Jin no kami wrote: I just read ccp let go 49 more ppl from their Icelandic office so they losing more money than expected dust514 might have just a skeleton crew watching this game just saying =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖî=ƒÖïG£î There is only one actual developer on Dust 514 now, CCP Rattiti. He is the only one changing the few things that can be changed currently. Except for the sniper scope reticule the changes are limited to tweaking the numbers on their database (think, excel spreadsheet) on the server and then synching that with the PS3s (which is what happens when the synching graphic shows up). Dust 514 will never have more than the skeleton crew it has had since before fan fest, truth be suspected. And so it goes.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 466	Posted - 2014.08.29 14:33:00 - [662] - Quote Was there ever a dev response to the questions in this thread? Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 432	Posted - 2014.08.29 19:14:00 - [663] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Was there ever a dev response to the questions in this thread? In the beginning, then they stopped responding. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5618	Posted - 2014.09.01 04:14:00 - [664] - Quote Reporting OP: Quote: This is obvious trolling. Clearly no attempt has been made to "answer" any of the real questions and concerns being raised by the community. This is not merely deceptive, but is blatant and willful dishonesty. This forum user is directly lying in both the title and content of their post. Still waiting on ACTUAL ANSWERS TO OUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. Thanks.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1214	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:20:00 - [665] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Reporting OP: Quote: This is obvious trolling. Clearly no attempt has been made to "answer" any of the real questions and concerns being raised by the community. This is not merely deceptive, but is blatant and willful dishonesty. This forum user is directly lying in both the title and content of their post. Still waiting on ACTUAL ANSWERS TO OUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. Thanks. I think "silence" is an answer itself.... - The console experiment didn't work and we don't care about MAG, Sony, and the PS4....we going back to we know best; EvE and PC gamers. The fact that CCP is ignoring everything in this forums tells a million words.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:53:00 - [666] - Quote It was some time, when i left. I tried go back in game, (for my friend urban practitioner), but honestly im QUITE SAD about time what i gave this game. Under Ceco Macino, Sam Tektzby and Ducttape Tinker clones/personas. Now with this last name i go for full termination/biomass Shame on you CCP, his was our game..Ps3 game and you just used us for ideas and for community money for you really beloved PC players. I'll never will buy/support any of your games by myself or recomend it for any of my mates. You had potential in Us and you just used it for somewhere else. Do not talk about technical possibilities, MAG had biger maps with bigger amounts of players (sometimes with lag but hell, even with lag it was more playable than this rubbish), any Bshates about technical thingies are futile. You basicaly cant develop a game on Ps3 ad you know it. For other players, i was really gald for our coop/fights on virtual field. That was you boyos and gals who basicaly catch me ingame. With my lost clanmates from BHD or an our coalitionists in past (i think dark legion/defiance?!) See you all possibly in destiny in few days or right now in GTAV. If someone want to coop just send me FI on SEN/PSN ID - CeCoMacino. It was GG with you. And lastly for my friend ParkourPractitioner (person who caught for longer of all my friends ingame) - Boyo Im realy sorry, we will meet maybe in destiny, or in any better games than this. Dont forget AS and proud XJ Oki i dont want finish this like stupid rant, i' ll glad seeya all Boyos in another virtual battlefield. Destiny is on the corner and later maybe on another one, glad to play with you all it was a good time. Oki boyos seeya lator in mouth of aligator XJ walkin on doomheim gates Markdown
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN ICE-9 PROJECT 41	Posted - 2014.09.02 03:37:00 - [667] - Quote what would happen if one of your customers who play eve or dust 514 won or acquired a large some of money only to buy crowd control productions only to fire the ceo and current developers to only them find or keep valued assets to the video game company? look someone is going to hit it big and they might buy you out and act upon their revenge becasue you guys you know who, have ruined a great game..... sorry but I have had enough. I liked dust 514 but now i just want to know how much money we need to fire all of the trolls in the company ruining our game from updates that ruin the game I lost another friend who went as far as bio-massing their dust toons.. -_- ccp............ people are not happy, Logi Bro is the best becasue he actually considers people as people and not some chump change. We don't like this behavior please fix dust 514 and acually give a damn or we will find someone who will. the community will you have nothing to fear with me I am only a guy trying to let you know someone has money out there! I like eve I like dust i dont like the python being a pos and all of the nerf buff with no respec, everyone heavy spamms I need a respec to spec what I as a person want as we do all you as a company should play your own game and see what we go through! the horror!!!!!! Im sorry haters are going to hate but this is something we can all agree on well those of us who were in beta.... DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1366	Posted - 2014.09.02 21:19:00 - [668] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Was there ever a dev response to the questions in this thread? In the beginning, then they stopped responding. In any thread, not just this one, look for the blue Dev flag in above the first post. If it is there it will say 'jump to first dev post' and will have blue Dev graphic. No Dev jump prompt? No dev response. And so it goes.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5621	Posted - 2014.09.05 22:36:00 - [669] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Was there ever a dev response to the questions in this thread? In the beginning, then they stopped responding. In any thread, not just this one, look for the blue Dev flag in above the first post. If it is there it will say 'jump to first dev post' and will have blue Dev graphic. No Dev jump prompt? No dev response. In the context of this thread, with the OP as a dev post, that doesn't help to find dev REPLIES though. First one is page 19.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 307	Posted - 2014.09.06 22:34:00 - [670] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I'm looking forward to DUST/Legion being available on PS4. I, along with many others, will not be buying a gaming computer in any foreseeable future and think that an FPS which revolves around the economic risk/reward systems we have in here will suffer done across open internet/PC. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

Drake Whiteblade Knights of the Broken Shield 0	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:12:00 - [671] - Quote You know what you guys should add: Flamethowers! The heavies need more special heavy weaponry, so why not flamethowers. Also, are you going to add a way to respec your skills from skill trees you dont use?
drixon talaro Eternal Beings 39	Posted - 2014.09.14 03:55:00 - [672] - Quote flamethrowers! if ccp tried to add those it would lock your ps up so fast the damn thing would explode and catch your house on fire.... boom there you go flamethrowers for dust
Centurion molokov Comander's Capital 11	Posted - 2014.09.14 14:39:00 - [673] - Quote Please give me an answer, after project legion, will Dust514 servers on ps3 get offline forever?
Immortal John Ripper 24589	Posted - 2014.09.14 23:09:00 - [674] - Quote bump Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
General John Ripper 24751	Posted - 2014.09.14 23:09:00 - [675] - Quote bump I would like your post if I could but CCP nerfed my like button and took it away. :( Skype: John_Ripper5150
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1757	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:37:00 - [676] - Quote Guys, the last post from a dev was 4 moths ago. I doubt we'll hear anything from them again. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 129	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:48:00 - [677] - Quote Yep For a thread called answering you dust and legion concerns there are a hell of a lot of concerns about this project going unanswered. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.09.20 16:43:00 - [678] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I'm looking forward to DUST/Legion being available on PS4. I, along with many others, will not be buying a gaming computer in any foreseeable future and think that an FPS which revolves around the economic risk/reward systems we have in here will suffer done across open internet/PC. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 36	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:29:00 - [679] - Quote drixon talaro wrote: flamethrowers! if ccp tried to add those it would lock your ps up so fast the damn thing would explode and catch your house on fire.... boom there you go flamethrowers for dust ssh drixon the forums are for smart people
mollerz 5360	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:47:00 - [680] - Quote oh this hasn't been updated and they are dropping the ball? shocker. I'm seriously fukn serious

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 795	Posted - 2014.09.24 23:38:00 - [681] - Quote been seeing a lot of chatter in my chat channels this evening that CCP are set to close dust around Feb2015. not sure of the source but its odd several diff channels (not related by corp/alliance ect) have all been discussing the same topic Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2014.09.25 02:03:00 - [682] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: been seeing a lot of chatter in my chat channels this evening that CCP are set to close dust around Feb2015. not sure of the source but its odd several diff channels (not related by corp/alliance ect) have all been discussing the same topic Lol *RED LIGHT*
Knechtmich United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2014.09.25 06:51:00 - [683] - Quote public statement from ccp ? ? ? ! ! ! ? ? ? ... good idea,the christmas money too ccp, and then is game over ! ..then in february,"Featured Promotions"... after next downtime = GAME OVER Great... More time to play Destiny ---> @ PS4 Playstation 4 or nothing CCP
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 338	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:03:00 - [684] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: I'm looking forward to DUST/Legion being available on PS4. I, along with many others, will not be buying a gaming computer in any foreseeable future and think that an FPS which revolves around the economic risk/reward systems we have in here will suffer done across open internet/PC. btw, I too had a random in a squad last week saying something to the effect of SONY having been in process after FF to aquire DUST from CCP so that SOE could bring it to PS4 and operate/manage it. Water or Glenlivet talking??? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Mavrahn 703rd 0	Posted - 2014.09.29 19:31:00 - [685] - Quote Give them a chance, Mercs. You seem to forget at these moments of all consuming rage (which I am also prone to) that these people you are ranting on have created this game. We are entitled to nothing. Yes, we put money in and so I agree that there needs to be a large amount of consideration on that. Seriously, if I'm gonna deposit money into a game, I seriously don't want that game to bomb. This game shouldn't. It has EVERYthing going for it. But we need to lay off a little bit and let these people work. They created this insanely groundbreaking and mind-blowing game, and so far I am thoroughly impressed with how far they've come. Yes, they do make changes that don't always make sense. But overall has the game become any less awesome? Yes, I'm gonna be pissed if they drop Dust. That is unacceptable. But they need time to work and with you ranting, they are trying so hard to look into these concerns they can't finish the game! Let them finish it, add all that they are planning, all the game modes all the exploring levels all the new dropsuits and weps and everything, and then they can work on appeasing players. Let em work, guys and gals. We will obliterate you, and let you mourn as we build our empire on your ashes. This is the 703rd. We know no mercy.
GRAY-WOLF-275 BLUE STREAK SECURITY SOLTIONS 1	Posted - 2014.11.11 01:57:00 - [686] - Quote this is a true betrayal of every dust and eve player out there you know it to
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5760	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:42:00 - [687] - Quote How did this get unstickied? Who broke the forums? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2506	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:43:00 - [688] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: How did this get unstickied? Who broke the forums? Probably because they want it to go away... "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1258	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:44:00 - [689] - Quote Mavrahn wrote: Give them a chance, Mercs. You seem to forget at these moments of all consuming rage (which I am also prone to) that these people you are ranting on have created this game. We are entitled to nothing. Yes, we put money in and so I agree that there needs to be a large amount of consideration on that. Seriously, if I'm gonna deposit money into a game, I seriously don't want that game to bomb. This game shouldn't. It has EVERYthing going for it. But we need to lay off a little bit and let these people work. They created this insanely groundbreaking and mind-blowing game, and so far I am thoroughly impressed with how far they've come. Yes, they do make changes that don't always make sense. But overall has the game become any less awesome? Yes, I'm gonna be pissed if they drop Dust. That is unacceptable. But they need time to work and with you ranting, they are trying so hard to look into these concerns they can't finish the game! Let them finish it, add all that they are planning, all the game modes all the exploring levels all the new dropsuits and weps and everything, and then they can work on appeasing players. Let em work, guys and gals. Actually i would think the Devs would appreciate all the attention. If players rage it means they care,if they didn't they could drop Dust like an old shoe and never look back. The more enthusiastic a player emotes,typically the more they care. And that attachment is essential for returning players and AUR purchases. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5760	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:46:00 - [690] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Eyed King wrote: How did this get unstickied? Who broke the forums? Probably because they want it to go away... Couldn't they just lock it away in that features and discussion archive? That would make more sense to me. Otherwise it will have the opposite effect. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1258	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:52:00 - [691] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Eyed King wrote: How did this get unstickied? Who broke the forums? Probably because they want it to go away... Couldn't they just lock it away in that development discussion archive? That would make more sense to me. Otherwise it will have the opposite effect. Currently that section has few archived. It would be easier to find. GD however has 1000 pages... Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5762	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:55:00 - [692] - Quote Perhaps, but those get locked, and no one really goes there. Plus all those have blue tags. This one will stand out with its blue tag jumping up and down the front page of the most visited section of the forums. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
GRAY-WOLF-275 BLUE STREAK SECURITY SOLTIONS 2	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:59:00 - [693] - Quote it comes down to this ccp out right betrayed every dust and eve player out there and now they are trying to cover there ass
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1258	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:02:00 - [694] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: I'm looking forward to DUST/Legion being available on PS4. I, along with many others, will not be buying a gaming computer in any foreseeable future and think that an FPS which revolves around the economic risk/reward systems we have in here will suffer done across open internet/PC. btw, I too had a random in a squad last week saying something to the effect of SONY having been in process after FF to aquire DUST from CCP so that SOE could bring it to PS4 and operate/manage it. Water or Glenlivet talking??? Well,i would agree if Dusts' old crew were still in charge. But now that progress has been made and is being made every day it seems like a bad idea. The EVE/Dust connection is null and void currently,so we wouldn't lose too much there. But the new and unique content belonging to that universe would be missed. (Yes,i know the post is old.) Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 942	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:05:00 - [695] - Quote A Necromancer! The Dark Armies of Sauron are upon us! Swag-suit4lyfe!
GRAY-WOLF-275 BLUE STREAK SECURITY SOLTIONS 2	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:05:00 - [696] - Quote the more we rise hell the more ccp will have to lesion to us
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1258	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:06:00 - [697] - Quote GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: it comes down to this ccp out right betrayed every dust and eve player out there and now they are trying to cover there ass Betrayed? During which FF did CCP say it was staying exclusively on consoles? They did say "Dust will out live it's launch console". But they never said it's life would continue on the PS4. They heavily implied,but never directly said. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1258	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:08:00 - [698] - Quote GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: the more we rise hell the more ccp will have to lesion to us Or ban you. You can't get blood from a rock,why are you trying to? Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
GRAY-WOLF-275 BLUE STREAK SECURITY SOLTIONS 2	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:11:00 - [699] - Quote look we need to make leave up to what thay said or my 200k hacker friends and myself will make them
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4512	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:11:00 - [700] - Quote GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: this is a true betrayal of every dust and eve player out there you know it to Dat necromancy...

da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 961	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:27:00 - [701] - Quote Meee One wrote: GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: it comes down to this ccp out right betrayed every dust and eve player out there and now they are trying to cover there ass Betrayed? During which FF did CCP say it was staying exclusively on consoles? They did say "Dust will out live it's launch console". But they never said it's life would continue on the PS4. They heavily implied,but never directly said. Remember when they said " laser focused on the ps3 " whenever they were asked about a PC and/ or PS4 port? Should Legion be on the ps4?
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.11.11 05:06:00 - [702] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/xSi1Qqc.jpg Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 350	Posted - 2014.11.11 06:51:00 - [703] - Quote I didn't post in this thread before but I think I will now because I think I have the right words to express my thoughts. The answers you have given are relatively solid and fair. That being said -- as you can see by the responses by pretty much every forum goer -- they want it on console too. No one is complaining that Legion would go to PC -- they are complaining that it would go PC in lieu of console. As a few other posters mentioned your core Dust group is console gamers. I would play legion but I don't, and will not, have a PC to run it. The PS4 can handle it so you should develop it for both and put em all together. You don't have to use Unreal anymore either. As far as questions about Legion are concerned: Assuming that Legion goes well, assuming that it gets green lighted and even fast tracked, are we looking at a 3-4 year wait till closed beta? Just a ballpark figure would be cool. If Legion is released -- will DUST remain viable on ps3 (assuming you don't do the right, and in the long term economically profitable thing by making it on PS4 too) and run parallel?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4666	Posted - 2014.11.11 07:18:00 - [704] - Quote Old threads tend to get unstickied. There are newer better threads now. Go post in those. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2520	Posted - 2014.11.11 07:22:00 - [705] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Old threads tend to get unstickied. There are newer better threads now. Go post in those. NO! The old anger, bitterness, MUST LIVE ON! What have we got LEFT?! ^_^ "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2146	Posted - 2014.11.11 08:09:00 - [706] - Quote This thread lives? Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1102	Posted - 2014.11.11 09:03:00 - [707] - Quote I will throw in a bump. Lets see how long we can keep it page 1
dziz Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.11.11 12:06:00 - [708] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: I didn't post in this thread before but I think I will now because I think I have the right words to express my thoughts. The answers you have given are relatively solid and fair. That being said -- as you can see by the responses by pretty much every forum goer -- they want it on console too. No one is complaining that Legion would go to PC -- they are complaining that it would go PC in lieu of console. As a few other posters mentioned your core Dust group is console gamers. I would play legion but I don't, and will not, have a PC to run it. The PS4 can handle it so you should develop it for both and put em all together. You don't have to use Unreal anymore either. As far as questions about Legion are concerned: Assuming that Legion goes well, assuming that it gets green lighted and even fast tracked, are we looking at a 3-4 year wait till closed beta? Just a ballpark figure would be cool. If Legion is released -- will DUST remain viable on ps3 (assuming you don't do the right, and in the long term economically profitable thing by making it on PS4 too) and run parallel? I think the main problem is that you can't do a game (fps) that will have both pc and console gamers, as they rely on different game mechanics (what was the last time you've seen a merc in dust crouching before taking a shot?) Even perception of a game being "tactical" in PC games, the shorter the TTK - more realistic - tactical DUST 514 - "HOW CAN WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT TTK?!?! ONLY 3 SECONDS?? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TACTICAL"
GRAY-WOLF-275 BLUE STREAK SECURITY SOLTIONS 2	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:55:00 - [709] - Quote no i play it on the ps4 but i better be able to transfer my id to it so i keep my sp
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 798	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:58:00 - [710] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: http://i.imgur.com/xSi1Qqc.jpg bahahahahahahahhhah

Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5415	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:06:00 - [711] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2453445#post2453445 Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 526	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:11:00 - [712] - Quote Ok next fanfest there is keynote for dust 514, but none for project legion.So my question is this, are the dust keynote for dust 514 related or is it keynote for project legion? Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2069	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:17:00 - [713] - Quote da GAND wrote: Meee One wrote: GRAY-WOLF-275 wrote: it comes down to this ccp out right betrayed every dust and eve player out there and now they are trying to cover there ass Betrayed? During which FF did CCP say it was staying exclusively on consoles? They did say "Dust will out live it's launch console". But they never said it's life would continue on the PS4. They heavily implied,but never directly said. Remember when they said " laser focused on the ps3 " whenever they were asked about a PC and/ or PS4 port? That was when the game was released. Like, a year before the FF. And, even then, ever think they wanted it to be a little like a surprise party? "Hey, I heard you guys wanted a PC port, and well, I don't have it, but...WE'RE MAKING ONE! WHOOP WHOOP!" Because you wanted to be something you're not.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2415	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:28:00 - [714] - Quote Ain't answered a damn thing. Get your asses back here and give us a yes or no if Legion will ever be a game or just another figment of our imaginations? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:07:00 - [715] - Quote Bump.. still want to see evidance of Legion development. My concerns have not been answered. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 357	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:12:00 - [716] - Quote dziz wrote: Imp Smash wrote: I didn't post in this thread before but I think I will now because I think I have the right words to express my thoughts. The answers you have given are relatively solid and fair. That being said -- as you can see by the responses by pretty much every forum goer -- they want it on console too. No one is complaining that Legion would go to PC -- they are complaining that it would go PC in lieu of console. As a few other posters mentioned your core Dust group is console gamers. I would play legion but I don't, and will not, have a PC to run it. The PS4 can handle it so you should develop it for both and put em all together. You don't have to use Unreal anymore either. As far as questions about Legion are concerned: Assuming that Legion goes well, assuming that it gets green lighted and even fast tracked, are we looking at a 3-4 year wait till closed beta? Just a ballpark figure would be cool. If Legion is released -- will DUST remain viable on ps3 (assuming you don't do the right, and in the long term economically profitable thing by making it on PS4 too) and run parallel? I think the main problem is that you can't do a game (fps) that will have both pc and console gamers, I disagree. I feel it isn't done due to architechture (holy KITTEN I KITTEN'ed up the spelling on that KITTEN) issues. Dust is already set up to run on the same server as a PC so the only issue left is making sure the platform is powerful enough hardware wise. The PS4 most certainly is. I really don't think mechanics factor into it. BF4 on PS4 and PC are exactly the same...just not on the same servers due to programming differences. Since we are on EVE servers that is able to be overcome. It already has with the current existance of EVE and Dust players on the same server in the same area during FW.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 372	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:08:00 - [717] - Quote i wnt answrs y dos ccp suk F*k this cash grab fix the shit that matters: unkillable uplinks, invisible remotes on null cannon hack panels, etc.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 174	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:14:00 - [718] - Quote Legion should be an free to play plugin for EVE. Forget UT3. Then we will have open world and see new Eden with no lobby. CCP your search for meaningfully avatar gameplay is over finish wis now as legion. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
RPOMCO RPOMCO Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:04:00 - [719] - Quote Can you please have it support linux?
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3568	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:50:00 - [720] - Quote RPOMCO RPOMCO wrote: Can you please have it support linux? lol Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki

GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 40	Posted - 2014.11.12 12:33:00 - [721] - Quote RPOMCO RPOMCO wrote: Can you please have it support linux? It will, because it will run on Steam OS. Rouge said "PC architecture" not WINTEL. 1.9 has many elements that the FF demo showcased-buildings, sky etc. CCP cannot do DUST nor legion without a SONY or a STEAM. On OCT 23, Steam announced ps3 & ps4 controller support, and Unreal announced a "ONE" button push porting tool for UT3 to UT4 migration for the STEAM platform.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 181	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:57:00 - [722] - Quote question: How will openworld be implemented in Legion? What was described at fanfest sounds a little like Destiny, which is not good. I would like to see scanning the new Eden cluster for things to do to be a manual process unlike dusts. But also I want to go explore a planet cuz it's there. Maybe while I'm exploring I show up on the scan as a Signature so I can be ambushed? What is being done to avoid another lobby experience? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 182	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:32:00 - [723] - Quote Question: with the current resurgence of Aurum purchased BPO items in DUST514 - What kind of compensation will i be receiving IF Legion goes live? I thought it was going to be more EVE like where risk vs reward is a big thing.. Yet are you telling me that my suit and equipment may very well be soemthing i cant loose? where is the risk? or is there zero reward Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 941	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:13:00 - [724] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Question: with the current resurgence of Aurum purchased BPO items in DUST514 - What kind of compensation will i be receiving IF Legion goes live? I thought it was going to be more EVE like where risk vs reward is a big thing.. Yet are you telling me that my suit and equipment may very well be soemthing i cant loose? where is the risk? or is there zero reward They are reverting to Legion progression model 1.0, suit is proto bpo but modules are spendy as feck Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 183	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:56:00 - [725] - Quote Question: Will dust514:uprising ever see full racial parity in all forms, I.e. weapons, vehicles, mcc etc? If Legion is to be launched and take over where dust leaves off these assets must be getting worked on right? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 184	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:21:00 - [726] - Quote Question: given that you have said Legion will no tangable relevance to begin with. What are you plans for pc and fw in dust as it's supposed endgame? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)


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