DUST Search - Announcement:Answering your DUST 514 and Project Legion concerns

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:

Guybrush Threeps wrote:

This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs.

Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base.

Buy a gaming LAPTOP for about 3x the base price of a PS4. Desktop is closer to the price of the new console.
Count the fact that PC gaming doesn't require subscription costs.
A year down the road, your PS4 price has caught up to the laptop and overtaken the desktop price, but the PCs are more powerful with more utility.

Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360.

The previous console generation was closer to being a match for their contemporary PCs. Just looking at raw numbers, the consoles were only a small amount short of what was available for PCs at the time. New consoles have a larger gap between their specs and those of PCs being released at the same time. Not only that, but previous-gen consoles had much more of a focus on a streamlined OS that focused all the power on running games. As time has moved on, more unnecessary extras have been tacked on, and most of those have been further integrated into the OS for the new consoles, taking resources AWAY from the primary role of being a gaming machine. The main reason older consoles were able to match - or in some cases outperform - PCs of their time was the lack of "distractions" from other programs running in the background. Newer consoles are not only further behind in terms of specs, but also lacking the one advantage that kept older consoles in the game.

If someone made a gaming console that was ACTUALLY A GAMING CONSOLE instead of a PC designed for use in the living room like the new machines have turned into, and actually focused on making it an affordable gaming platform, then maybe we'd have something worth buying. And when I say "affordable", I mean affordable LONG-TERM with no subscription costs as well as short-term with a low starting price. Obviously.


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Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:44:00 - [1] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Keshian Hunter wrote: personally, i don't want a character transfer, this new game can give everyone a new beginning new and old players alike it will give everyone a fair and will get rid of a the proto stomping scum that dust has So everyone that ever joins this game will join at the same time and progress at the same rate? Oh, and will this move also negate all skill involved as well, setting everyone back down to the same level? Will squads stop working together and communicating if the other team has no organized units? Skill > Squads > Proto Gear That stomp is still going to happen, whether you reset everyone or not. A reset will just mean the worse of it will be delayed for a few days, or a few weeks at best. Depends on what the game goal is. That is and ultimately how any game gets developed. Here's a good example: Monopoly. We all know how it works and have custom rules at times. The goal is to be the wealthiest. Well how do you do that? You buy properties and are strategic on how you use it. Its an easy thing to think about but how to do. The problem with Dust and even Legion is making a came without a cap or some restriction in place. Most FPS games had caps; two players could ultimately yield the same equipment but when one played longer they had the ability to use their experience to outmatch the other player; throw a grenade/mine as they chase you and let it finish them off or run a corner and then prep ready for a headshot. There were game ideas tossed around about making "Achievements" in the game as a means to access rarer stuff; "kill x number of players receive 1 x achievement award that, when accumulated, can be used to boost a stat forever". The difference is that in Dust protostomping makes the gap forever in the advantage of the vet. There are ways around this matter I just at this stage really wonder what CCP's has collectively in-so-far as experience with FPS games in general.
Gemini Cuspid 116	Posted - 2014.08.10 07:57:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Guybrush Threeps wrote: This would be on PS4 if the PS4 weren't ridiculously underpowered. PC is the future of gaming, these "next gen" consoles were a complete flop. Good on ya devs. Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base. Buy a gaming LAPTOP for about 3x the base price of a PS4. Desktop is closer to the price of the new console. Count the fact that PC gaming doesn't require subscription costs. A year down the road, your PS4 price has caught up to the laptop and overtaken the desktop price, but the PCs are more powerful with more utility. Many - not most - people are going to look at the initial price tag and not think about the subscription costs required for online play on the new consoles. Many people ARE aware of these costs and factoring them into the cost of a PS4, since the PS3's free online play was a majr draw card keeping many of us from the 360. The previous console generation was closer to being a match for their contemporary PCs. Just looking at raw numbers, the consoles were only a small amount short of what was available for PCs at the time. New consoles have a larger gap between their specs and those of PCs being released at the same time. Not only that, but previous-gen consoles had much more of a focus on a streamlined OS that focused all the power on running games. As time has moved on, more unnecessary extras have been tacked on, and most of those have been further integrated into the OS for the new consoles, taking resources AWAY from the primary role of being a gaming machine. The main reason older consoles were able to match - or in some cases outperform - PCs of their time was the lack of "distractions" from other programs running in the background. Newer consoles are not only further behind in terms of specs, but also lacking the one advantage that kept older consoles in the game. If someone made a gaming console that was ACTUALLY A GAMING CONSOLE instead of a PC designed for use in the living room like the new machines have turned into, and actually focused on making it an affordable gaming platform, then maybe we'd have something worth buying. And when I say "affordable", I mean affordable LONG-TERM with no subscription costs as well as short-term with a low starting price. Obviously. Probably THE biggest misconception when it comes to everyone bashing on the console. Have to start of buy saying my rig is an i7 rig and yeah I have the dual graphics on an extended mobo from Gigabyte. Its what I do my graphics on. I prefer, however, my console options. I too hesitated on the PS+ and 100% regret not doing it earlier. Paying $39 for a year and the titles I got have kept me more occupied and happy than the starter pack cost for Dust514. Not shelling out cash but still getting to play games like the rebooted Lara Croft, Dragon's Dogma, Bioshock Infinite and Borderlands 2 have paid for themselves. But the real problem with Legion and even Dust has never been power but execution. How many PC games bombed because of simply bad direction in general? When Dust514 came out it was being judged as a console game and it didn't fair that well. Having a more power platform to launch the game doesn't also stop you from suffering from a crappy AI, game imbalances or even horrible choices on equipment. The PS3 wasn't the reason why cloaks and scouts were so problematic months ago but rather because the developers made a crappy choice. Saying you're building it on the PC to make it "better" precludes that you're avoiding these traps of decision making. Frankly the real, honest gamers out there with an ounce of programming knowledge sometimes feel the most overlooked piece of a game is functionality: will it run and does it have a great foundation where expansions, changes and adjustment will not cause a community to rage back and fourth? This in general has the least to do with a console and the fact is after PS4's keynote speeches this year CCP probably wishes Valkyrie was PC only. No Many's Sky may not have the same degree of multiplayer capacity but the game concept and design is impressive enough with the headline of having less developers than people have fingers adds that insult to injury. CCP went on the PS3 because there was no shooter to really compete and to be in a market and fail as CCP did is pretty astonishing and horrible; it's like as if Adobe came out and lost to MS Paint. It's that bad because CCP had every opportunity to succeed and it just couldn't. Everyone who played in Beta probably even agrees that the game never felt like it got out of Beta ever. I'm still going to support Sony and the PS4 and easily PS+; it's something that I need a family member to push me into and glad I did and regret I didn't do it earlier. I could've spared myself buying Xcom but oh well. If anything CCP is the one I can't support. It's almost like why I left EvE; they just made it so that you wanted to hate them that much if anything.