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Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:47:00 -
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Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago. |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:48:00 -
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First off, thank you for your statement, it feels better knowing progression in Dust won't be waisted. With that sad, it sadly think revealing this at Fanfest (especially during the "Dust" keynote) was the wrong move, and something that should have been exiting was just gone in an instance.
My question: - Since you state PS3 development will continue (albeit limited), what do you think about bringing PVE (in a simple form) to "test the ground" for Legion so to say?
Personally, I am not done with dust, and will most likely play Legion. I fully understand (and support) WHY you do it. However, I strongly disagree HOW this was presented to the community. |
Erasmus Konstantin
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
41
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY
Hey - HEY! You show some respect. He has OVER 50 PSN accounts and spent a stupid amount of money on a bad game that went nowhere! He BOUGHT his respect, you better show it!!!
Actually, seeing him melt down kinda made the legion thing worth it. |
Matobar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
240
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:50:00 -
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Why was the Fanfest schedule disingenuously labeled?
Whose decision was it to label DUST 514 sections and instead of discussing DUST 514 content, or revealing things for DUST 514, or talking about the current game DUST 514 in any capacity, to instead discuss a game that is replacing DUST 514 as though it is a sure thing, even though you insist it might not become reality. |
Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:52:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. (emphasis mine) I wonder what's included in that. BPOs?
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Theodorich Eudoxier
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:53:00 -
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#1 was all I was waiting to hear. The largest reason I left COD/BF and any/all other FPS games is for the persistent universe. I was burnt out on re-achieving what I already earned year after year. Keep your word and I will play Dust until the end and then pack my bags for Legion.
I am not a pc player but personally I think the game has much more potential to live up to the dream on pc; however, it would also be terrible to have to install windows on a virtual machine and taint my Linux only computer network. That is the reason I stopped playing EVE too. I barley tolerate the PS3 OS on my network. |
Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad.
403
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:55:00 -
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Very brave of you to come here Rouge, considering most everyone hates what you have done, but if you want feedback, here you go.
Rouge, you're a joke. How can we believe anything stated here? The only thing mentioned about DUST at fanfest was that it is losing devs to Legion.
You try to repair all the damage that has been done to the community with a single post? Man, you really don't get it.
These are all just more empty promises. You have lost a majority of your players and nearly everyone's buisness.
Fanfest in a nutshell for me.
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Badgerr Rager
Dirt Nap Squad.
787
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:56:00 -
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To sum up what the d1cks at CCP are saying.. Until they close dust 514 they will say they are still working on it probably bringing out 1.9 and 2.0 but after 2.0 will be no more content and leading players on (STILL) that they are bringing all this stuff for dust when behind the curtain you will find they didn't make as much money dust side as they wanted so they are dumping it and as he said in his post NO PS4/PS3 Until they get their game perfect on the PC.
Which we all know how long it takes CCP to do things as Dust is forever SoonTM. Dust is more of DeadTM.
Thank you CCP for wasting my life and going out with a slap in the face. If you worked towards producing Dust MORE and bring it to the PS4, you would see that making legion and developing it into pc will be a mistake. Planetside is going for PS4 (Free) and will hold the market and if you ever decide to come you will be **** out of luck.
I would like CCP to Biomass Legion.
You pieces of Sh*t
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13801
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:57:00 -
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Erasmus Konstantin wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Hey - HEY! You show some respect. He has OVER 50 PSN accounts and spent a stupid amount of money on a bad game that went nowhere! He BOUGHT his respect, you better show it!!! Actually, seeing him melt down kinda made the legion thing worth it. This whole debacle has really made me miss being a Goon
I just have the urge to troll blueberries.
DUST is DEAD
Quit?
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1518
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:57:00 -
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Rouge..now would be a good time to start responding.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Appia Nappia
664
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:58:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote:Hi everyone,
Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest.
1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.
2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev?
No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game.
3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles?
It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on.
4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion?
Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say.
Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can.
CCP Rouge
Sooooo, you guys have been working on this since October. Is that why any and all changes and updates have been as slow as molasses? Did you guys not learn from your World of Darkness experience? You don't have the man power to make a full game with just a handful of people, do you honestly expect EITHER game to succeed when BOTH are understaffed?
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Tarkarr DooM
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
1
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:00:00 -
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The community needs proper confirmation that Dust 514 will be continuing and growing on PS3 for sometime into the future. Staying as it is will not be sufficient long term We are all aware that nothing lasts forever and the a move to the PS4 will be on the cards for many players. It would be damaging to your reputation as a community based game designer to not consider console players in this way. After all you did invite us in
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Hammerhead LandSharkX
Liberum Sapiens Xenodochi
7
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:03:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:Here are my questions:
You've said you'll continue development for Dust, great. Regarding that:
1) What Developers will be working on what title?
2) Are there any departments NOT working on Dust 514 anymore?
3) Do you intend to bring out actual new content to Dust 514 rather than just balances/bug fixes? This may mean new weapons, maps and vehicles.
4) It has been confirmed that PvE will NEVER hit the ps3, will the Player Market be developed for the PS3 title, or at least is that a consideration?
Thank you.
these ones please. |
DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
285
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:04:00 -
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Still no update or news about Dust514? Project Legion was an awesome announcement that was overshadowed by the lack of any real info about Dust514 at the Dust514 keynote & Dust514 progression panel. Sorry, but you have still failed acknowledge your blunder & I will not be an active player until you do. |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
270
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:07:00 -
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Probably the fist real question here admist the QQ :
In the vague statement you just said it would be very appreciated if you specified if you are continuing the development on UE3 (ps3) to integrate those features in the PC (UE4) side by side as a dual production synergy. Most of us are interested to stick around if those features find their way in the next iteration. You have to consider something here though. You have to manage the guinea pig association we have right now that Dust on PS3 is meerely a Beta and that you are using PS3 players before bringing something grand to the players of EVE on PC. We just want you to be honnest on why we are not going to PS4. It is rumored that its because the player base is too small on the PS3. If it is, hope you realized your NPE, hard to understand stats and such makes it hard to get people on board. If we had those your player retention would have been very high. I may be mistaking here but I am sure there is a bigger player base playing shooters on consoles than on the PC. So Dev Failing aside, we would like to have more open-ness from now on if you want us to stick around and help you test your concept. No need for a big thank you, just make sure our player time investment is not wasted, this is the biggest concern, and remember those who bought the elite pack to support you, would be very very nice to have some blueprints be imported, if not all of them, something to support the efforts we have put in this game. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2621
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:07:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Rouge..now would be a good time to start responding.
I am not a Dust merc. I am a multi-vet MAG player searching for a new home.
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Haerr
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
540
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:08:00 -
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Hi CCP Rouge!
With the future of DUST514 now being clearly set on the PC, btw it should have been this way from the start, keeping any member of the DUST514 team working on improving or supporting the PS3 version is a mistake.
The quicker we can move on to the PC version the better. |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
601
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Lol
Hi - It's SoTa PoP - the guy handing you your ass for the past 2 years.
The guy CCP is now abandoning for PC. The guy who now is both hurt and PISSED THE **** OFF AT CCP. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
2058
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:10:00 -
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Wonder how much EA is still paying this guy to sabotage other companies/games...
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13807
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:13:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY Lol Hi - It's SoTa PoP - the guy handing you your ass for the past 2 years. The guy CCP is now abandoning for PC. The guy who now is both hurt and PISSED THE **** OFF AT CCP. I knew who you were
Forum PvP is the only PvP that matters, and I'm pretty sure I've won on that front, what with the, you know, not being banned and all. Being abandoned for PC was inevitable, even being abandoned for PS4 would have been. The issue here is how they went about it, and how they continue to push and milk people for sales when the game isn't going to really go anywhere. If I still cared about PS3 DUST I may have shared your pain, but I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and adjusted accordingly.
DUST is DEAD
Quit?
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HUNK tm
What The French Red Whines.
370
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:14:00 -
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I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo.
...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them)
Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore.
CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%.
- Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc....
If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me.
Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais)
pâ+(n+ÇGîÆ´pâí)pâÄ Wish we had better clone packs
G£é - - - - - - - - - -
Gé¬ [ForgeGuy. & Co] Scrap dealer / Metals recovery
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Ann Brighton
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:15:00 -
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Please consider releasing native versions of EVE Legion for OS X and Linux too. As the Unreal Engine already supports these platforms, support shouldn't be that much overhead when considered that early in the development cycle. |
Leither Yiltron
Twilight Sparkle Best Pony Corp
898
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:17:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:Thank you for coming to the forums to reply to our concerns.
My first question:
In the event that "Project Legion" does NOT become something more than a prototype, what will be the next step? Will DUST continue as is? Or will the idea of ground mercenaries in New Eden be ended for the foreseeable future?
Let's be brutally honest with ourselves- if it doesn't work out it's all ogre probably.
Have a pony
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2625
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:24:00 -
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HUNK tm wrote:I don't know you Mr Gaudechon but I already feel a great frustration and a shame to... I feel ashamed to have believed in you ! Ok the game was limited by the engine and the PS3 shouldn't give a sustainable future for a mmo.
...but damn it! Why did you did that in that way to do ? Like yelling on all roofs that Dust the past, and Legion "the new great CCP project blahblahblah - super excited! ". You just crucified the last few players who was trusting you for Dust. (EVE fanboys don't count even if personally I made part of them)
Whatever you can say about your politics about Dust you know like me how that's working. SOE will not wait the game will be deserted. They'll make a end to the agony when the game will not be bankable anymore.
CCP is now loosing a part of his community. A community who grow with the game and that will never follow CCP again for most of them. That's a pity because the project was a CROSS-PLATFORM, what appended with this great idear ? You was the pioneer of this subject, why not switching for PS4? I am a PC Gamer since 8 years old, I played EVE since 8 years but look at fps on pc! Look at Planetside2 with is a total brothel (bordel like we say in France) the game is hacked at 100%.
- Aim bot - Wall hack - Level hack - Stats hack - Lobby's hacks Etc....
If you ignored this parameter I think you have nothing to do in the business. Making a character on a biaised game have no sense for me.
Excuse my english... (je vous aurais bien dit le font de ma pens+¬e en fran+ºais)
This again.
> I'm a gamer, not your Guinea Pig
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:30:00 -
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Deleting that coments dont change the reality CCP.
What you did was big spit to darkness, where ps3community waited with open mouths.
Nothng else i swear to you, I WILL NEVER BUY/RECOMEND ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS TO MY FAMILY/FRIENDS/COMMUNITY and i know im not alone.
You betray us for PC players and i will never forget this. I will never forget how YOU CCP USED PS3 COMMUNITY LIKE GUINEA PIGS, HOW YOU USED OUR IDEAS FOR OTHER GAME, HOW YOU LIED TO US, HOW YOU OUTSOURCED DUST 514 FOR DUST 2.0 FOR PC AND HOW YOU SHAMELESSLY BETRAY US!!
I though CCP have some backbone, some spine, but how i can see you are just pile of disgusting lies, pack of thieves who wanted money and ideas of community for your real project.
Just read this and feel our pain.
Shame on you CCP i pray you will burn in hell for this.
"Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
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Triple Repair Madrugar
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:31:00 -
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CCP knew about this back during Eve vegas. LASER FOCUS = buy more aurum till we are ready to reveal our lie.
Laughing all the way to the bank they are, don't believe any more lies.
Get DUST purchases from last 90 days refunded! 1-800-345-SONY and press 2 then 2.
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Take Off Hoser
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
17
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:32:00 -
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Please dont abandon console players, if legion comes out one day it has to be on ps4
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Global Enforcer
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
126
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 -
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Wow you had the balls to delete my post about theft by deception but you don't have the balls to respond to your consumers .
BPO-> K61-D13
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Triple Repair Madrugar
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 -
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Spacetits CDXX wrote:Why should any of us take seriously any promises made about Legion or your plans for it? These were all the same ideas about how awesome Dust was gonna be, from a couple of years ago. Well you see, you should believe the promises THIS TIME (because we need to squeeze more money out of our investment)
Get DUST purchases from last 90 days refunded! 1-800-345-SONY and press 2 then 2.
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1556
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:33:00 -
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From Here.
Vell0cet wrote:I think the community deserves to hear a detailed case for why the existing game can't "evolve" into Legion on the PC and has to be started from the ground up. I think the whole community acknowledges that the PS3 has a limited lifespan, but most were expecting an evolution to better hardware, not a separate product. Restarting from scratch is one of the biggest blunders one can do in software. Here is a famous article: Things You Should Never Do, Part I on the subject. Here's a great cartoon. from the article wrote:Well, yes. They did. They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make:
They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. Also, Legion looks like it's abandoning some of the best features of DUST. The EVE-style skill tree is fantastic, and differentiates DUST from other FPS games in the market. CCP Rouge, by trading depth of DUST for accessibility, do you really think CCP Shanghai can compete head-to-head with the biggest studios/publishers in the world (that have more experience, resources and budget) for the "accessible" FPS marketshare, instead of targeting a smaller, more-hardcore niche in the market? There are certainly ways to add accessibility to the existing systems (e.g. ISIS in EVE) through better UI and a rich tutorial.
Best PvE idea ever!
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