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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:19:00 -
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ContraBanJoe wrote:Where is the apology about how this was "revealed"? You outraged your Dust514 audience both AT fanfest, and the thousands of mercenaries viewing it from home on the live feed. An apology is paramount to restarting constructive dialog in my opinion.
Well said, until that happens all I hear is noise from a POS.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:20:00 -
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An apology for how the announcement of Project Legion was handled would be appreciated, but otherwise this post is exactly what we needed.
Point 1 is the most important for me. If our DUST characters could not be transferred there would be no point in continuing to play DUST. Lack of persistence is why I donGÇÖt play any other FPS games. I am an MMO player at hart. I lost my login bonus on Friday after close to 90 consecutive days of logging in, because I just could not bring myself to log in to a character who was on Death Row. Now that we have some assurance of persistence, I can go back to enjoying DUST 514 until EVE:Legion goes into Beta.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance. Caps and Mercs
547
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 -
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If only CCP had listened to EVE players originally Dust never would have been on ps3 to begin with. Pretty much all the reasons CCP has given for the switch to PC are the same reasons the EVE players told them going ps3 was a bad idea.
I feel better now at least knowing my Dust toon might not go to waste. And I am happy that going PC will allow this game to reach the level we have all wanted for so long.
I am sad that CCP had burned so many bridges with this move and most importantly, how they handled it. I am also sad that many of the friends I have made in Dust are only console gamers and most probably won't switch to PC. :(
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2936
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:Here are my questions:
You've said you'll continue development for Dust, great. Regarding that:
1) What Developers will be working on what title?
2) Are there any departments NOT working on Dust 514 anymore?
3) Do you intend to bring out actual new content to Dust 514 rather than just balances/bug fixes? This may mean new weapons, maps and vehicles.
4) It has been confirmed that PvE will NEVER hit the ps3, will the Player Market be developed for the PS3 title, or at least is that a consideration?
Thank you.
much better questions
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Avallo Kantor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
376
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 -
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If you wish to help allay a lot of community rage, could you please try to answer this question:
Is there anything that would -prevent- you from porting to the PS4 / XBONE from the PC using the Unreal 4? If you are unable to say, could you at least say that you are unable to say?
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843 Epidemic
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
912
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:21:00 -
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Also to add, there are a few things we need, Rouge.
1) An Apology. The way you handled the situation was appalling. This fault is YOURS, and the CPM and other devs are getting a lot of stick for it. You owe it to us and them to come clean and admit you ****** up.
2) Stop talking about Legion. We actually don't care right now. Legion is the future, you can work on that and do whatever, but right now we need to know what's happening to our baby.
Basically, STOP TALKING ABOUT LEGION.
RIP Dust.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1995
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 -
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When is the DUST Keynote taking place?
How do you feel about pushing SP events in the past months and then bascially declare DUST for dead, therefore effectively robbing people of money?
In extension of previous question, how do you think Dust fans that spent a lot of money to attend FF felt when you gave them your middle finger right in their faces at the Legion Keynote?
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
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Kev Crow
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 -
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Thank you for finally speaking up CCP Rouge.
For better or worst I think a lot of the fear, anger and hysteria has snowballed into an out of control avalanche, a rioting mob that keeps chanting a mantra: "DUST has been abandoned, we have been cheated." The real sad part here is that this conclusion has been reached not via any solid facts but through innuendo - an apparent psychic ability of angry players to read "between the lines" of what CCP is actually doing.
One can be rather selective in what you choose to interpret: Yes they said that most of the new progression ideas are about Legion but also it is emphasised that as much as possible - as much as the PS3 system allows without braking the existing gameplay - will be inserted into DUST. Additionally, although PC has been announced as the new direction, no one has denied the possibility of PS4 or consoles. Rather PC as a platform is to be seen as a stepping stone. If you read into all this with a detached mind, it is kind of obvious that LEGION is suppose to be seen as the hope for all the unrealised, un-manifested future visions rather then an immediate and definitive replacement of DUST.
Thats what I read between the lines, which is a positive and hopeful approach. But to see it like that one has to have some good will. And in defence of the community reaction I think there is not much of that left. The reasons for that we also know:
CCP as the new kid on the FPS/console block had to contend with a very large amount of scepticism right from the start. And rightly so, they have made serious mistakes, they bit off more then they could chew. They kept inspiring people with their future vision and now that many started believing and hoping... comes this massive change of direction.
The hard fact is this: Despite the shock people must admit that in order to realise this vision such a change is not only necessary but inevitable. Perhaps CCP should not have revealed LEGION in such an early stage at all. Perhaps they are naive in believing that people will see the good instead of the bad. It is counter intuitive but most players always look for surety and guarantees in what is essentially a very fluid and uncertain process. Nothing is written in stone, especially in such a innovative process. If one looks at it more like a river flow, constantly changing and evolving it would be easier to see that the glass is half full and not half empty. |
DarthMcFizzle
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 -
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Think about those poor Amarr mercs that'll never get any new content... ( On Dust that is) |
Megan Steel
DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 -
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O boy... The relief seeing #1 question |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:23:00 -
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Oh and just so you know, I lost trust in CCP in the span of 30 minutes. The guy who spent 400+ dollars on DUST lost trust on it faster than it takes to deliever a pizza.
GG
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:23:00 -
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It's pretty comical how EA-ish this post sounds, but are any of our posted questions going to be actually answered?
The forgotten "A" in AAA
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:24:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:If only CCP had listened to EVE players originally Dust never would have been on ps3 to begin with. Pretty much all the reasons CCP has given for the switch to PC are the same reasons the EVE players told them going ps3 was a bad idea.
I feel better now at least knowing my Dust toon might not go to waste. And I am happy that going PC will allow this game to reach the level we have all wanted for so long.
I am sad that CCP had burned so many bridges with this move and most importantly, how they handled it. I am also sad that many of the friends I have made in Dust are only console gamers and most probably won't switch to PC. :(
eve players are some of the worse fps players I've ever seen in a shooter. I predict Eve Legion to be filled with guys that can't understand that an AR does no damage to the MCC
man....fugg this, I'm out
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 -
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Decent PR writing. Logibro, just post under your name, not Rouge's, we can all see you under that name..
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 -
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I don't want to be rude, but ya'll might want to start responding or else the forums will go ablaze again.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:25:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that?
And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC.
if they do this i may stay but i want my 10 years of dust development like u promised |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1517
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:28:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Spademan wrote:Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that?
And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC. if they do this i may stay but i want my 10 years of dust development like u promised If they do those two things, then legion can easily be thought of an expansion, like rubicon is to eve, it may require some new hardware, but so does EVE. (Try playing it now on the same computers that were used to play it 10 years ago)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:29:00 -
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Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now?
DUST is DEAD
Quit?
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
597
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now.
Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2531
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:31:00 -
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Quote:1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.
That sounds like something. The "applicable" does concern me though. So does that mean that I won't get SP transferred over I spent in say Commando Suits, if the commando suits are not in the Project Legion when it launches?
Also the question of how BPOs would convert is very important. Some exclusive Dropsuits only for people having bought these BPOs in Dust would be nice. But if tha's a no can do I would like to see the Aurum I spent on these BPOs on my character in Legion. BPOs are the second biggest question during the transferring because this is stuff many of us spent hundreds of Gé¼ / $ / whatever on.
I'll wait for what you have to announce. Until then I won't play Dust.
And do us all a favor: Have answers like these ready the next time you decide to make a decision as severe as this one.
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
128
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:32:00 -
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I'm glad that sp and everything else will transfer, but I won't be playing Legion when it comes out, consider this as one customer lost. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13790
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:33:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Since a transfer from DUST to Legion would inevitably involve a "respec" (all new skills, skill function, skill cost etc etc) what exactly makes Respecs in DUST a bad thing now? Can you please STFU about respecs? That's seriously on the lowest level of concern right now. Who ******* cares if you can reset your character if CCP is going to just lie to you about what it can do. Get your priorities straight fool. Plenty of that stuff has been addressed in abundance by myself, and by others. I'm sorry for asking a question oh mighty random of the forums, thine wisdom showers down upon me like the grace of God himself
OH HOW I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED BY YOUR GRACIOUS MAJESTY
DUST is DEAD
Quit?
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
871
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:34:00 -
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Lets simplify things. The entire dev team has been working on Legion for fanfest, meaning that's the status quo going forward. Like you said, the Dust 514 development you will have is minimal, and rightly so, I don't think you can develop for two games with 60 staff. Dust will die, that's a given now. You've clarified that we'll be able to take our skills and inventory with us, so I think most people are satisfied. There will be no new significant content on Dust until it's death - you've also made this abundantly clear ... if you had any content whatsoever you would have presented it - you didn't and you gave a confused answer as to the future of Dust, so that's clear too.
I for one don't need to (and won't) spend any further funds on Dust, and don't need to play it anymore - it has a foot in the grave and you've made that abundantly clear. I think you've also learnt how to destroy a gaming community in a day and how not to announce the death of a game.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:34:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote: 3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles?
It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on.
Nothing new in this thread, you are just repeating what we already know.
PS4 version should be the priority, not PC, the company is already working on PS4 with Valkirye, what is the problem with a PS4 version of Legion?
I don't care to lose SP, isk or my stuff, i just want to play the game, but if it's gonna be on PC, i simply can't afford to buy a gaming PC for a game. While I and a lot of other people here are willing to buy a PS4 and continue our experience on this game.
We feel betrayed, because we, the dust community, have played for more then 1 year to dust and you have used us, to acquire feedback to create a game for the EVE community not for the DUST community. We have been your guinea pigs. So please, take a step back and develop for both PC and PS4.
I'm sure that this will be one of more quiet answer you will read in this thread, again please, take your player base in consideration.
It was fun till it lasted...
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Eddie Rio
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:35:00 -
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Hi Rouge,
firstly i wish you were on board with this game all those years ago when dust was just a short trailer at a fanfest, my mind exploded with ideas about what dust would become. it then was announced to be released on the PS3 and if I'm honest my heart sank a bit, but I went out and got myself a PS3 as I thought it was still going to be something special. The forums of eve players erupted with hate for ccp as they are now: 'my eve subscription money going towards a game on a console I don't even own', I heard those words all the way through dust's development. but I did not care as I shared ccp's vision of this game and was willing it to do well..
I loved dust, but saw it quickly become a lobby shooter and begin to alienate new players joining, this was not where we were first told it would go, and when planetary conquest came out and people had to set there watches to a poorly implemented feature I became a very casual player, but still loved to log in and play a few games of an fps game set within the eve universe...
the game was not working, it sank hard and with it my dreams of what i was wanting from a fps set in eve. I was saying to my friends how I would love it to released on pc, as I thought you could get the whole team involved in connecting it to eve and update and add features so much easier and not be limited to console which will eventually every now and again have to be upgraded to the latest gen.
I thought you would announce a PS4 release, (i thought this might happen at E3 along with the launch of the consoles tbh) I was shocked and excited once announced you were working on PC. I can completely understand everyone's rage and there reasons, but personally I can see through all that, as i did when it was announced to be on PS3. I know this wont make me popular with the vets that feel as if they lost everything, but I feel as though instead of dust514 dying on its arse and fading away like many other games I have played we are given a second chance.
I am a gamer, I don't define myself as a pc gamer, or a console gamer, I just like playing games... I really hope things settle down a little bit and we get to find out more about what the direction for this IP is going in both its forms. announcing it at fanfest was insensitive, but I guess there is no easy way to break something like this to a community. I am here to stay and I also look forward to legion..
these are difficult times, difficult times indeed Im just hoping a phoenix will rise from the ashes....
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tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:37:00 -
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Early Feedback?
1. Public Relations consultant 2. Not the way to drop this announcement 3. Work with Sony to reimburse customers for Aurum purchases for the last X months. Consider it an investment in trying to claw back some of the goodwill CCP has burned. 4. Do something meaningful to recognize the DUST-only players that flew to Iceland for this....fiasco 5. Within the constraints of your contractual obligations with Sony stop bullshitting the PS3 players. 6. Dust 514 to PC makes complete sense; hope a port to PS4 comes after 7. Give better details if you want better feedback. You inflicted more questions than answers with the clumsy manner in which this was handled.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur
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Archer Yorcot
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:38:00 -
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2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev?
No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game.
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If you had concrete, tangible plans to address these issues why didn't you show them at Fanfest?
Dust is the game we're stuck with until Legion drops, which in your own words "Its at least a year away, I believe." http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-02-ccp-re-imagines-ps3-shooter-dust-514-for-pc-as-project-legion
The player base is leaving in droves in part, because your failure to announce specific fixes to these issues has confirmed that they will continue to plague this game until you pull the plug.
This forum signature is OP.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:40:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote: 1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.
Except it was clearly stated that Legion abilities are directly related to getting better gear. Which will be acquired by the more traditional EVE point and click to find the Salvage. To either release or destroy the Salvage Bots; That part was unclear. However, the first means you will not support SP. One of the very items you must be trying to do is negate the advantages the vets over New Berries.
Quote:2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev?
No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game. Every resource you put on Legion Ganks Dust. And half of your Dust team in CCP/Shanghai has been working on this, not Dust. And not fixing bugs in Dust. Which you think they would because the bugs in Dust are Legion.
Quote:3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles?
It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on. Consider you aren't even sure that Legion is a viable game that is actually a truthful answer.
Quote:4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion?
Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. SOON( BS ); SOON( vaporware ); SOON( HTFU ). Aka typical EVE answers.
Quote:Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can.
CCP Rouge If you ever respond that will be an improvement. Although your response will be biased by the HTFU videos ringing in the halls of CCP.
You got my money. You will not get anymore. Fool me once and all that, don't cha know?
And I haven't seen information about a replacement product handled worse, except the last Osborne computer. All it did was kill the company. This one will kill Dust, with luck it will kill Legion as well.
At least your EVE players are enjoying how much you have Ganked us. They are so sweet in the Locals poison wouldn't melt in their mouths. Its a shame they are flying so high in their Pods. Because Ganking EVE players would be the very best therapy right about now.
Another day, another Shiv, welcome to New Eden.
And so it goes.
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iliel
Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:42:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote:Hi everyone,
Thank you for all of your feedback so far. I'd like to answer a few of your questions about DUST 514 and Project Legion directly given the feedback you gave me. I've picked these four points as they are coming up the most on the forums as well as in the live roundtable discussions here at Fanfest.
1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.
2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev?
No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game.
3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles?
It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on.
4) When are you going to give us more concrete information on Legion?
Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say.
Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can.
CCP Rouge
I'm glad to hear that characters will be transferred in some form. Also, in spite of forum rage, I'm excited about Dust's evolution onto a more powerful platform. (Personally, given the ease of console gaming, I would have preferred PS4, but I have come to terms with CCP's decision to take into account the limitations of console development for an open-world concept game like Dust.)
With this in mind my question is: in anticipation of the transfer to the Personal Computer, I'm wondering whether you have a projected range of System Requirements (for Low, Medium, High settings).
Honestly, my knowledge of PCs is very limited. So I would appreciate CCP's own build/company recommendations for reliable mid-range computers that will be able to run Legion at Medium to High settings. (I think I saw an Alienware during the keynote. Is this something CCP games would certify?)
Also, I know you said that Legion is in its early stage of development, but is there some kind of time frame forLegion?
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1605
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:45:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Be prepared for rage. So, can we take this as 100% confirmation that somehow, someway, our characters will be transferred? Can I quote you on that?
And please, bring this to Ps4 the same time you do the PC, the reason for bringing it to Ps3 was to reach a different audience, correct? Well keep striving for that goal, expand EVE beyond the PC.
he said 'applicable skills and inventory'.
that means no. they're working on a completely different skill tree and suit building system.
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