PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony Label on it That's it.
So in fact you could devellop for both plateform.

You want it on PC : Well, NO WAY.

Start working on PS4 and NOT in PC that's pretty simple.
Starting dev on the wrong plateform and it will be too late to change. PC is THE wrong plateform.
You will be wrecked.
You will lose all your base community, hacks will come (All the F2P on PC are full of hacks.) , and you will NEVER come to the other PC shooters level.

what about ps4??.. like i said its in the pc level now... am not saying that the game shouldn't be on pc i understand what their doing but why not ps4, thats what am thinking

Whats up with all you people being able to afford a PS4 but saing you're not able to afford a decent PC. That doesn't make any sense. Do a reality check on how expensive a decent PC is please and don't buy everything from alienware. PC or PS4 doesn't matter at all. I expected a PS4 version too, but CCP decided on PC for obvious reasons (Test server, no patch delays because Sony wants to check every patch). And I think that's good. You would have to buy a new platform anyways. You want to keep playing Dust (now called Legion) you just spent your 400 bucks on a PC instead of a PS4. Problem - solved.

I'm now just interested in what CCP has in mind for transferring the chars over. This will decide it for me.

Ps4 does require the ps+ subscription for the online game, except F2P. Any Free to Play would be Free to play without any sub. Dust "Legion" 514 would be free to play, and one of the few free to play out there. People who own a PS4 will simply try it out at no cost.

A decent PC capable of running BF4 will cost way more than a ps4.

3. Last but not least, DUST on PS3 may be around for as long as two more years. The player experience will be continually improved, didn't you just get 1.8? And if you stick around you have every possibility to migrate into the new version and get your money's worth after all. If someone cannot accept more waiting then get your refund and stop spewing toxic waste just to prove you can.

How do I know if they will continue to tweak their PS3 project? To be honest I am just guessing based on my experience with CCP over the last 8 years. On DUST I was here from beta and have seen scores of unresolved issues. CCP could spend thousands in optimizing on this platform but the signs of difficulties of making it work on the PS3 have been here for a while. Remember Uprising 1.0? I guess what I am say is that it will not get much worst then it already is. Perhaps even better since there will not be any major releases but rather smaller patches dedicated to a better game play. I mean why not, keeping the console community around is in their best interest because no matter what people say I think PS4 is a must at some point.

the legion prototype looked 100 times better than dust, can't wait for it to be released, CCP is making a good move and I am so glad that 99% of the ppl QQing here won't return, this game was always too good for the ps3 and pretty much all of you.

Yeah probably because it was presented via a PC and not an 8 year old crapsole.

I really do think that PS4 is a very real possibility now, i.e. a reboot. What people must realise and what is hard to accept for the understandably disappointed console players is that by succeeding with Legion on their own platform, a PC, CCP is more likely to successfully expand to other platforms.

As far as DUST 514 being handled well by the PS3 and its network I simply do not agree, and have a completely different experience. I actually stopped playing because my PS3 got overheated and crushed too many times. Plus the network froze daily. I guess if it was another MAG or COD type game it could definitely be handled by PS3 but a game that is suppose to work in conjunction with the EVE cluster, no way... They would have to scrap all their plans for a meaningful interaction between the two games. FW and PC is all that they where able to combine and in a very limited way at that. If they tried to merged the markets plus add PVE , LOL the whole system would just melt.

I heard differently from some of my buddies who have talked to CCP from the start, and while I have seen plenty of mistakes from them I trust their effort is an honest one, they are not the types who give up easily. They like a challenge and are rather passionate about their vision. To me thats a hallmarks of DEV's who do not just give up a project because they lack skill...

But well, you sound like an experienced programmer who knows his stuff and there is not much I can say to that.

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For the most part, I like you post, its constructive. But have you thought about the fact that hindsight is always 20/20?
I mean once CCP decided to change direction I don't think there was ever any possibility of doing it without a considerable uproar no matter what they did or said, precisely because this community is so toxic. Don't get me wrong, the toxic atmosphere its not only player's fault. I mean that up to this point both sides had a difficult road full of disappointments, but especially the players seem too burned out to try for a more constructive or at least civil tone.

Well, lots of us paid for those BPOs (Dren, dragonflies, etc) based on their promises. Try and figure that out.

So no more 10 year plan . The Ps3 Probably wont be around in 10 years

Should they bow down to the pressure and humbly continue developing PS3 because experts like you think they should. No. Should they listen to good advice, ( like the fact that CPM has warned them how this will go down with the community) No doubt yes. Should they continue to focus on their innovative vision without compromise even if it means that the road ahead requires some very unpopular decisions. Hell yeah!

Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter anymore. Abandoning the console players? After the display we've seen here, being in CCP's position, I would gladly rid myself of this horrid community too.

DUST will rid itself of barely a few thousand (incessant, whiny) console players and in return gain tens of thousands of PC players. Any rational person would agree it's a smart move. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything.

Really should have been at least one reply by now, it's been a day.

Over a day later, 17 pages in, and STILL no dev responses.

I get if you don't want a discussion Rouge, but have some decency and don't say you will reply if you're not going to.

There are a lot of good questions in this thread that are calm and well written that deserve the responses you said you would give. For someone who wants to keep the player base happy, you are doing a god awful job at it.

Given the nature of the situation and the fact that they stupidly announced this in the middle of Fanfest, I think it's fair to give them 48 hours to provide a reply.

I also think it's fair to expect as comprehensive and valid response from them within a week. Tomorrow is my deadline for a response, and the week is my deadline for a complete answer.

Is the realisation that the PS3 is a dead-end in terms of delivering a shooter that'll last for years, one that CCP made after you arrived at the company, or was something brewing already?

I can't disagree with the choice to move to PC; though I'm interested in why this move was made now; and not when Dust 514 was announced many years ago. It was the first question on everyone's mind back then:

"why develop a shooter that should last for years on a console that's nearing it's end of life?"

Can imagine it made sense from a financial point of view; but still that's poor decision-making (back then).

Semantics? Or did you think they would let you shoot a PS4 player in the face while you were playing Dust on your PS3?

That'll be another first in computer gaming.

Yeah, lash out at PC players while you are at it... Its definitely their fault. Sure we have a bunch of arrogant eve-tards on this forum we also have plenty of sanctimoniously rude console players who somehow think that their feeling of betrayal gives them the right to embody the very behavioural attributes they so loudly denounce. It doesn't make any rational sense and yet as you pointed out: everyone has the right to their feelings. Perhaps, its how we deal with those difficult feelings that really matters here?

DUST 514

• Role and gear balance
• Ways to improve Planetary Conquest
• Other stuff you want us to jump on that can have a direct impact on gameplay quality.

You've never heard of "Bullet Time"?

I have another big question.

If DUST has been abandoned for Legion, but Legion isn't certain of even existing...

...will DUST get revived with maybe a DUST 2.0 reboot if Legion is tanked? Or is it scrapped, full stop, no going back?

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What I would really want to happen is for Legion to happen. PS4 preferably, since that was part of what we had always been led to believe would happen, but I'm not TOO upset with the idea of it moving to PC. But I DON'T want it to be "scrap DUST, leave it running on its own servers with just patches, release Legion as a separate game".

I want to see Legion's development INTEGRATED with DUST. Make it a gradual shift. Use the assets being developed for Legion to expand DUST over the next maybe 2 years. DON'T rush to release Legion in a year's time and cut DUST out of the picture.

Almost everyone here has been through almost a reboot with Uprising anyway. It was a MASSIVE deviation from what DUST had been prior - and not all the changes were improvements. We're still here. We can take a few disappointments if we can see that they're leading in the right direction. EVEN if one of those disappointments is the (eventual) discontinuation of our VERSION of the game for a new, better version on the next platform(s) you want to support.

If CCP continues to support DUST, instead of trying to pretend that the patches and cleanup jobs they SHOULD have done months ago while they were working on Legion are "support", then so will I. If they provide new content, EVEN if it's more limited or coming out slower because it's coming indirectly via Legion, I'll play with and against the new toys and give honest feedback on them. If there's a GRADUAL shift in focus from the current game to the "reboot", I'll be on board all the way.

If DUST is left as-is, with only the long-overdue bug fixes and balance "improvements" (hopefully ones which actually improve the game, but knowing CCP, good luck), then... Well, good luck with that. I might - MIGHT consider downloading a free client. Maybe. But I can guarantee that I will be spending a grand total of precisely NOTHING AT ALL on the game EVER, and I'm unlikely to play it regularly even if it's good. Additionally, in the rare playtime I do have, I'll be advertising the reasons WHY I'm not playing it much to those people who are interested. In the past, I've been very good at convincing players to part with money for products I like and am willing to support, and I've ALSO been very good at convincing people to NOT spend money on supporting companies I've seen behaving in an unethical manner.

As has already been said, in this thread and elsewhere, you reap what you sow.

If you upset paying customers, you might still see them PLAYING, but they won't be PAYING any more.

Most people aren't going to shell out the money for a gaming PC. That's one reason going for the PS4 would extend and keep a currently unhappy player base.

This is obvious trolling. Clearly no attempt has been made to "answer" any of the real questions and concerns being raised by the community. This is not merely deceptive, but is blatant and willful dishonesty. This forum user is directly lying in both the title and content of their post.

In any thread, not just this one, look for the blue Dev flag in above the first post. If it is there it will say 'jump to first dev post' and will have blue Dev graphic.

No Dev jump prompt? No dev response.