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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 5051	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:43:00 - [1] - Quote Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2100	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Basically confirmed. No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1711	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:47:00 - [3] - Quote I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads. Bendtner92 wrote: I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into. Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments. There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2209	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:53:00 - [4] - Quote Do it right CCP, don't screw over your dwindling player base that has stuck with you through all of the issues so far. Refund everything not related to vehicle, every tree and ability you did not refund when you gave vehicle drivers the refund in 1.whatever. You might actually see people start returning if you give back the SP people spent on things that have been changing drastically over the last 8-12 months.
Marc Rime 246	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:57:00 - [5] - Quote If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in. Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;).
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 222	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. We are in a unique situation now though, with the release of the new heavy and scout suits. In the future, if a new dropsuit is announced, we'd likely get all racial variants at once.
Tweaksz Crimson Saints 4	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry or no deal. Lest you feel the wrath of our thread arrows. Raptor Squad
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6868	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [8] - Quote CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2605	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote Dropsuit command/weapons and dropsuit upgrades all respec Why? Because the skills for the suits now effect equipment and weapons So you are a Cal logi with uplinks now, but after changes you should use nanohives with it or skill into amarr logi instead Or you are a amarr assault with the RR, after changes you need the laser weapons or the cal assault Your choices mean nothing because you cannot make a choice when everything changes Intelligence is OP
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2341	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [10] - Quote I'd say, Heavy Suits, Light Suits, Sidearms with Maybes to equipment every thing else is QQ and appeasement down a slippery slope. Listen I'll change the song every week

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 758	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [11] - Quote Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices has changed drastically. That warrants a respec.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6868	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:06:00 - [12] - Quote Surf's up, dudes! /dives in with surf board Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2341	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:06:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here. Yep... Appeasement... nothing less than Grade-A variety. Listen I'll change the song every week
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 333	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote I would post my replies from other respec threads here but the topics were subjugated out of existence. Basically what it boils down to is, we were promised racial heavies forever ago. During the time between said promising and when 1.8 drops, we heavies have been forced to put SP into Amarr heavies if we wanted to play as heavies. For some of us, all we do is heavy, so the choice was "Amarr" or "don't play Dust at all". Since I wanted to play Dust, I went with Amarr. However, if I can't pick the suit I've wanted since I started when 1.8 drops, I will be picking "don't play Dust at all". I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. CCP, do you think you can afford to alienate the playerbase any further? Do you want more than 1/2 the heavies to leave when you're finally giving us what we've been waiting years for?
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [15] - Quote We demand more bloodshed, our respec must be swift and merciless. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 147	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [16] - Quote Respec is right and only way to progress and for players. Its Easy if CCP implement something new (new implements, patches or techniques what making things different), we like players should have a chance to react anyway we need. Thats mean if CCP ruin something to player A, palyer A should have chance to put his spent point somewhere else. Changes were decision of CCP not ours, thats mean we should have chance to improve something else if things dont works for us anymore. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2215	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [17] - Quote I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400? CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 8	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [18] - Quote FOTM will always happen, regardless of respecs. 1.7 gave people that were heavy on vehicles the choice to stay in them, or switch to all inf. plus heavies have been stuck with 1 suits for (by the time of 1.8) 10 months, when in theory, 75% of them would of taken a different one if given the choice. scouts have a similar argument.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:09:00 - [19] - Quote I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I've said it a million times already. People say adapt. Well unless updates keep up their current pace of 3 months, which isn't necessarily a good thing (As I could see future updates being hey we spent 3 months to buff and nerf a couple of stuff.) Players can't logically adapt unless they do what CCP said could take 7 years and accumulate sp. So here's my anecdote: >Rolled Minmitar Assault >Armor got buffed >TTK dropped >Shields got Nerfed (Well counterbalance it with shield regulators in your low sl... oh...) >unconfirmed weapon mods getting nerfed and losing sidearm bonus for MD/flaylock (lol) bonus Minmitar Assault was never the FOTM. Giving vehicles a respec so they can roll us with tanks that you clearly didn't play test before going live and then actually debating an infantry respec... what the hell? Why you no like successful games CCP? Why you no want to have a game other than Eve not flop? Why you like to flog your fans with deal with it attitudes until they say no and leave!?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1173	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:09:00 - [20] - Quote Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some?

Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:10:00 - [21] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I've said it a million times already. People say adapt. Well unless updates keep up their current pace of 3 months, which isn't necessarily a good thing (As I could see future updates being hey we spent 3 months to buff and nerf a couple of stuff.) Players can't logically adapt unless they do what CCP said could take 7 years and accumulate sp. So here's my anecdote: >Rolled Minmitar Assault >Armor got buffed >TTK dropped >Shields got Nerfed (Well counterbalance it with shield regulators in your low sl... oh...) >unconfirmed weapon mods getting nerfed and losing sidearm bonus for MD/flaylock (lol) bonus Minmitar Assault was never the FOTM. Giving vehicles a respec so they can roll us with tanks that you clearly didn't play test before going live and then actually debating an infantry respec... what the hell? Why you no like successful games CCP? Why you no want to have a game other than Eve not flop? Why you like to flog your fans with deal with it attitudes until they say no and leave!? Yes, let the anger consume you! Together, you and I will rule this thread, and exterminate all logical arguments, leaving only bloodlust and honor killings in the name of the glorious lord Fogwoggle! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6869	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:11:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? Just the tinfoil hat, please. Boat shaped. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Asterion Cretos DUST University Ivy League 223	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome. On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved. I would rather die my way than live by yours.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10971	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [24] - Quote It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [25] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? No my son, let your eyes adjust to the darkness! Together, we shall usher force the age of respec, enforced with bloodshed and purging of the weak! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:13:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. That's no way to cause a violent forum uprising! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 760	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:13:00 - [27] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome. On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 764	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:17:00 - [28] - Quote In the future, we might have the Scout's role changed from 'cloaky assassin' to 'uplink and scanner runner' That's nowhere near as drastic compared to the 'min logi is going from scouty logi to heavy hugger, scouts are now cloaky rather than profile dampened, commandos are now tied to racial weaponry, assaults are also tied to racials' Pre 1.8, we can run Galassaults with Scramblers because there wasn't any direct 'bonus' to the usage of hybrids. min assaults could run scrambler pistols and Smg's because before there wasn't a bonus to the usage of 'racial weaponry' Pre 1.8 a caldari/minmatar/gallente loyalists HAS to run Amarr heavy, and an Amarr heavy has to either run Scrambler, or minmatar HMG. Things as simple as a SINGLE, SIMPLE role change, do NOT deserve refund/respec, however, we've changed EVERY role in the game, making this necessary. 'In eve we don't give respecs' true, but 'in Eve' we didn't start the game with a minmatar logistics ship, gallente scout frigate, amarr battlecruiser, and a caldari Assault frigate. 'In eve' we don't change the entire game and their role's bonuses every half year. 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:18:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. what? thats rediculous. ofc there will be a respec there are lots of changes and add ons lol I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:21:00 - [30] - Quote Looks like Logibro has banished us to the lower depths of the forums, watch out for crazed murderous repairmen stalking the black halls. It's spooky down here, but our faith in the almighty respec will persevere! Unleash the Fogwoggler

Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 285	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:23:00 - [31] - Quote The game has a small playerbase so CCP should really just toss aside their "developing morales" and just give the respec. Giving a respec makes people happy and able to deal with the game changes that are going to be big next update. No respec is bringing Dust one step closer to failing... but hey! At least you can say "we never gave in!" and stuck with your guns and didn't give the players what they wanted. I am sure the other video game companies will give you a thumps up and say "good job! Who needs a game to actually have a decent amount of people playing it anyways?". Look at the pros and cons but look at something very closely CCP. Will you go against what you want to do in order to help the players stay and give Dust more time? CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1841	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:29:00 - [32] - Quote Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one. I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 416	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:31:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. A respec should be givin because I have a proto amar logi, I have no ise for uplinks because I have 0 sp in them I was a complete noob when I spent 9 mil sp I am no longer going to be a logi, no need for rep tools or nanocircitry, need dampening skills. 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 765	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:32:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one. I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times. When Spkr agrees with the infantry community on something, you know there can really be no debate about it. Respecs are warranted.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 313	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:33:00 - [35] - Quote As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? War never changes
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10974	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:35:00 - [36] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 313	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:38:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. Okey I can buy into that SO RESPEC ON WEAPONS ALSO CCP War never changes
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2025	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:38:00 - [38] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one. I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times. When Spkr agrees with the infantry community on something, you know there can really be no debate about it. Respecs are warranted. Nah, he just wants his infantry points back for MOAR TANKZ "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1261	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:39:00 - [39] - Quote Okay, so lets take this discussion seriously and present some expected features of 1.8: - TTK will be tuned to be longer. => Dont know what skill tree this will affect, on an "abstract" level: all of them. - New racial content for infantry (heavies and scouts, yay!) => Approx 15-20% added SP sink to dropsuit skill tree. - Complete re-iteration of "old" dropsuit skill bonuses and stats => Change of 100% of current SP sink in dropsuit skill tree. - New weapons => Approx 10-15% more SP sink in weaponry skill tree. - Nerfs to "old" weapons, more specifically rifles => Rifles and SMG in weapon skill tree, estimated 30% of all weapons. - Weapon proficiency skill re-vamped to only affect armor or shield damage (depending on weapon) => Affects 100% of weaponry skill tree. - Over all equipment nerf => Various skills in dropsuit upgrades, estimated 15-20% of the SP sink affected. The points above have touched every infantry skill tree skill (dropsuit upgrades, weaponry and dropsuits). Is there really anything to discuss in this thread CCP? EDIT: Please calculate more exact figures of how many percent of each of the infantry skill trees that are affected, and make an informed decision with those numbers in mind. Drop it like its hat.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 296	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:41:00 - [40] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome. On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved. What, a retuning of bonuses, slots, CPU and pg? That's some entitlement speaking if you think it's anything close to 'we are temporarily removing all minmatar dropsuits you might have them back one day soon(tm)" or "we are reworking how dropsuits and their modules are being unlocked so that most suits and modules are unlocked by a single skill". What looks to be happening aside from tweaking of numbers and bonuses is straight additions to trees. If you used your suit properly you'll generally be rewarded, if you didn't you get a slap on the wrist, otherwise the suits function more or less the same. That said I would be in favor of seeing heavy and light suit trees refunded, which I feel is fair - youve had a long time to make your choices with medium suits while there hasn't been any choices for heavies and minimal choices for lights.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1842	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:43:00 - [41] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one. I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times. When Spkr agrees with the infantry community on something, you know there can really be no debate about it. Respecs are warranted. As I've said before, I moonlight as infantry. It's cheaper and more versatile, and the only way I can get 5000+ WP in a match. When CCP goes about changing how something works, there's no reason your SP should be stuck in whatever it is. It should be put back into your unallocated pool. It was valid for them to respec vehicle SP, and for 1.8, it will be valid for them to respec infantry SP. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 909	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:45:00 - [42] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Basically confirmed. Don't push CCP... they know we love this game too much so we're asking alot now... *Assassination is my thing.*
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 296	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:45:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 995	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:46:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 258	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:49:00 - [45] - Quote Dear CCP, I know you are adverse to the idea of respecs. As Atli Mar said at EVE Vegas in the DUST keynote, the cost of rebalancing is substantial and is disruptive for the community and for you guys. While New Eden is built partly on the premise of living with your choices but there are several good reasons for a respec: Overdue racial parity Racial parity should have been in the game when you launched back in May 2013 but it wasn't. People have spent time and AUR to spec into what we were given but in all fairness had this stuff been in for launch it would have all been taken care of back then. One final respec is all that's needed now that this large (missing) chunk of the game is about to role out. Everything has changed! A lot of the freedom that we have at the moment is being taken away via more accurate racial tech affinities. There will be many with dropsuits and weapons that simply don't synergise. A full infantry respec is the right thing to do here. Increased lore awareness and faction loyalty I have seen many in the community who have found an affinity to one race or another for whatever reasons. I know that I want to go ALL Gallente on my 32 mill SP main and Minmatar on Covert, my 3 mill SP pride and joy. Support the community's love of the lore/races with a respec. We have been loyal We have stayed and supported your game over the past 2 years. We have bought AUR for a game that is incomplete, has been broken, had exploits and things like the 3 month tank stomp that took place when you made vehicles god mode. With PS4 here and many other games around, don't ** on those who have done their part to support your game. If DUST has a 10 year roadmap (and beyond?) then what is one final respec after the first year of release. I don't support respecs normally. I spent my SP wisely on things that accommodated my own strengths and never chased FotMs and I am 100% behind 'living with your choices' but with massive sweping changes and as a reward for enduring the *** clusterfuck of tank ** we had for the last quarter year, do your fanbase right. Sincerely COVERT Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 417	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:51:00 - [46] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) All I see is "I have 30 mil sp idgaf about anyone else" 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10977	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:52:00 - [47] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster. That same vet is going to stomp the crap out of those same noobs no matter if he has to stick with his currently maxed out build or a new one. What that vet leaving DOES do is make one less person who could be around to help out those new players, showing them the ropes, giving them tips and a reason to aspire to max out their builds. It also doesn't help when former players begin to talk down about the game, giving even more bad reviews, and further pushing new players from even downloading the game in the first place. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1277	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:53:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Thanks. The discussion I see is does CCP want to keep the playerbase they have and bring back some players that left?? OR: Do they want to take a chance and anger part of the playerbase leading to lower player counts?? As I see it something needs to be done in the face of many arriving PS4 games that will be here by June alongside the gameing news of E3. Its not is it right or wrong but instead what CCP CHOICE will keep the higher numbers of players on Dust 514. That is the true discussion at hand. Tick, tock, tick, tock, Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 338	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:54:00 - [49] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster. Wrong. Vets have millions of SP sitting unallocated waiting for new FOTM crap to drop at any given time. Furthermore most of us have been around long enough to know what skills to make a priority from the days of 20m sp PER DAY beta testing. Not giving a respec hurts new players the worst, because they're the ones who can't afford to be sitting on 5m unallocated waiting for new stuff to come out. On top of that, new player retention in this game is almost nonexistent. It's not losing 1 vet to gain 5 new players, it's losing 10 new players to keep 1 40m SP guy happy because the mountain of SP he's sitting on ensures he'll be able to use the most FOTM gear on top of all of his maxed out core skills and all proto everything, knowing that without a respec, those sub-15m SP guys will have even less of a chance than they did before. On top of all that, it punishes dedicated heavies and scouts who have chosen to play the game at all since beta, because we've had little or no options on which suit to pick. I have only ever played heavy, so my options were go amarr, or not play at all. Punishing people for actually playing the game would be an unwise decision for CCP to make. I for one will be gone if I'm forced to keep the amarr sentinel for one second after 1.8 comes out.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1224	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:54:00 - [50] - Quote I am for an SP refund. In Dropsuit Command: Heavy/Sentinel/Commando, we're going from 1 to 4 available. I think it is important to refund the SP invested in heavy frames because it will increase dropsuit diversity. The alternative is leaving the lower SP character debating whether to finish investing SP into heavy or choose to start over in the race they actually want. On the higher SP characters it will mean that everyone has a proto heavy and only those that can afford it will be using the new Racial heavies. Logistics suits, we're going from bonuses that affect a playstlye to bonuses that affect equipment only. People went Minmatar because of the hacking bonus, people used Amarr to dual tank (lol ok, no one actually went Amarr Logistics to actually play as a support role) the Caldari are the actual Combat Logi with its extra slot it traded for an equipment, and Gallente being slow tanks that can distribute anything. I'm not a big fan of the new bonuses as I don't feel the "racial equipment" matches the suits very well, but this is a huge reason for it to be refunded. The Assault suit don't have a very strong argument to refund the SP invested in them in their own right. The Scout is going from 2 suits to 4 suits. It has the situation of the heavy suits, the people invested in them already are the primary people that will continue to use the suit. Increasing the diversity on the field. The scout suit and heavy suit additions are a reason to do medium frame refund in full. Some people have claimed that they would skill into the suit that are going to be released long ago but were using medium frames until they were released. Dropsuit Upgrades: I'm not particularly partial to the refunding of SP in this tree. Unless going from a shield tanking suit to an armor tanking one you'll feel like SP in shield regulation and shield recharge are wasted, but really that is it. Weaponry: Certainly people have put SP into the flavor of the month weapons, but that's not a reason to stop the SP in this tree from being refunded. People investing into Heavy and Sentinel won't have the SP to invest in the only 2 heavy weapons we have available. People that want to use Assault or Commando are now limited to only gaining bonuses from their racial weapons. I feel the skills involved are limiting diversity but as long as that is the mindset people should not be punished for putting SP into a weapon that will put them at a disadvantage for using a certain suit. Finally we also have racial parity in the main rifle and in pistols. Again, in the name of field diversity a refund of SP would be healthy for the game. 1.8 is the time for a full infantry respec, the changes happening are too drastic and only punish people by not giving one. Vehicle pilots got theirs in 1.7, infantry need one too. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)

ContraBanJoe FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 335	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:57:00 - [51] - Quote NO MOAR FULL RESPECS It only serves to help the veterans. If something drastic changes to the skills and they are removed, or if vehicles/equipment/weapons/suits are removed, I would support respecs for specific skills, but NEVER again a full respec. ...................__ ............./-¦-»/'...'/-¦-»-»`-+-+ ........../'/.../..../......./-¿-»\ ........('(...-¦...-¦.... -»~/'...') .........\....FWALL...'../ ..........''...\.......... _.-+-¦ ............\..............(
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1461	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:59:00 - [52] - Quote I'd say save the respec for 2.0 in May. No one NEEDS one now. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 869	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:00:00 - [53] - Quote thank "the maker" good luck cleaning all the forum spam up For what is right. For what is ours, Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Join us today! *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä* The States Necromancer
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1226	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:00:00 - [54] - Quote dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists. Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:01:00 - [55] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I'd say save the respec for 2.0 in May. No one NEEDS one now. I do No need for proto amar logi or amar assault No need for amar heavy No need for rep tools because im no longer going to be a logi Etc etc... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 297	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:01:00 - [56] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: As stated in numerous threads Respec on the drop suit command YES Respec on the equipment YES Respec on weapons NO Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it? You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster. That same vet is going to stomp the crap out of those same noobs no matter if he has to stick with his currently maxed out build or a new one. What that vet leaving DOES do is make one less person who could be around to help out those new players, showing them the ropes, giving them tips and a reason to aspire to max out their builds. It also doesn't help when former players begin to talk down about the game, giving even more bad reviews, and further pushing new players from even downloading the game in the first place. Debateable, a lot of vets live in ivory towers if some of them leave the game is prettymuch automatically in a better state because there's less people around to kick the crap out of noobs, and a large part of the fun of these games is discovery. Not many vets (especially the bitter vets were discussing) are helpful people. World of Warcraft went through the same pains when they 'changed things' and sacked most of their bitter vets for huge accessibility to new people and casual players.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 997	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:04:00 - [57] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) All I see is "I have 30 mil sp idgaf about anyone else" lol everyone who asks for respec just wants to instantly have new PRO gear or doesn't have any sense of progression. I'm interested in new weapons, Scouts and other Assaults but you don't see me crying for respec. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10978	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:04:00 - [58] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: NO MOAR FULL RESPECS It only serves to help the veterans. If something drastic changes to the skills and they are removed, or if vehicles/equipment/weapons/suits are removed, I would support respecs for specific skills, but NEVER again a full respec. ...................__ ............./-¦-»/'...'/-¦-»-»`-+-+ ........../'/.../..../......./-¿-»\ ........('(...-¦...-¦.... -»~/'...') .........\....FWALL...'../ ..........''...\.......... _.-+-¦ ............\..............( How does it help the vet who's already saved a ton of SP to skill instantly into the new FOTM, or anything for that matter? How does forcing newer players to keep incomplete builds that are now completely wrong help them? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Zene Ren Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 49	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:05:00 - [59] - Quote no SP cap/limit no respec only SP that can and should be refunded is for instance: we have one heavy suit and in 1.8 they will at last give us all racial variants - refund for only heavy suits nothing more they remodeled vehicles - only vehicles should get refund do not give refund/respec to the whole infantry skills, this will only make a jump on other not yet properly tested FOTM we had all assaults and logi racial variants they DO NOT NEED A RESPEC IMO Balance is the key to achieve knowledge and understanding
Aisha Ctarl Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 3396	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:05:00 - [60] - Quote I support a REFUND, not a RESPEC. There is a difference between the two. A refund refunds you SP within a certain tree to be used again as you wish...a respec refunds ALL of your SP from all trees to be reassigned as you wish. Since in 1.8 the only major changes (that we know of so far) will be to the dropsuits, then I wholeheartedly support a skill REFUND for dropsuits ONLY. It will be a fatal error for CCP to not award a dropsuit refund when they are changing attributes of the suits right from under us. My prediction is that a dropsuit skill REFUND is pretty likely - a RESPEC just simply isn't going to happen, there is nothing to warrant a full respec. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=

ContraBanJoe FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 335	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:07:00 - [61] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ContraBanJoe wrote: NO MOAR FULL RESPECS It only serves to help the veterans. If something drastic changes to the skills and they are removed, or if vehicles/equipment/weapons/suits are removed, I would support respecs for specific skills, but NEVER again a full respec. ...................__ ............./-¦-»/'...'/-¦-»-»`-+-+ ........../'/.../..../......./-¿-»\ ........('(...-¦...-¦.... -»~/'...') .........\....FWALL...'../ ..........''...\.......... _.-+-¦ ............\..............( How does it help the vet who's already saved a ton of SP to skill instantly into the new FOTM, or anything for that matter? How does forcing newer players to keep incomplete builds that are now completely wrong help them? I'm simply saying that if there is going to be any sort of a respect, it must be geared towards ONLY the affected items. And I think some of the wiser vets out there that have posted in this thread know where the other vets come from when they demand respecs beyond what they deserve.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:08:00 - [62] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) All I see is "I have 30 mil sp idgaf about anyone else" lol everyone who asks for respec just wants to instantly have new PRO gear or doesn't have any sense of progression. I'm interested in new weapons, Scouts and other Assaults but you don't see me crying for respec. Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1227	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:13:00 - [63] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) All I see is "I have 30 mil sp idgaf about anyone else" lol everyone who asks for respec just wants to instantly have new PRO gear or doesn't have any sense of progression. I'm interested in new weapons, Scouts and other Assaults but you don't see me crying for respec. I already have 3 proto-suits. I have 4 more advance suits- and enough LP and salvage from PC to run proto on them for the next few months. I have 8 prototype weapons (9 if you count explosives). I maxed out everything in Dropsuit Upgrades. A respec doesn't hurt me. A respec doesn't really help me as I already have too much crap to actually use. Denying a respec just hurts the other players that haven't been here as long as us. Aldin, you're a ****. though I have to laugh at "NK Scout" 30 million SP was like 3 months ago Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1645	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:15:00 - [64] - Quote I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 998	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:16:00 - [65] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: I already have 3 proto-suits. I have 4 more advance suits- and enough LP and salvage from PC to run proto on them for the next few months. I have 8 prototype weapons (9 if you count explosives). I maxed out everything in Dropsuit Upgrades. A respec doesn't hurt me. A respec doesn't really help me as I already have too much crap to actually use. Denying a respec just hurts the other players that haven't been here as long as us. Aldin, you're a ****. This is because CCP was too dense to realize that their Battle Academy has a terrible WP limit to leave. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
Marc Rime 249	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:18:00 - [66] - Quote Here's an idea. No respec in 1.8... but wait, there's more! Re-design the infantry skill tree to resemble what we had in Chromosome -- when there weren't as many skill sinks and skills were more generic (e.g. instead of ammo capacity for each weapon we had it for weapon categories). Make suit specialisations apply to all races (but to use the suit both the spesialisation and basic race-specific skill are required), kinda like in EVE. I'm sure you can come up with some other changes too. When the skill tree is re-worked like that, a respec suddenly makes sense. You'll be able to please those requesting it, without opening the flood gates for a torrent of similar demands in the future... and also you get to fix the damn skill tree. Everybody wins.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:20:00 - [67] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old. Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 999	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:23:00 - [68] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1227	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:24:00 - [69] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: This is because CCP was too dense to realize that their Battle Academy has a terrible WP limit to leave. More like, what Scalesdini said, in that closed beta vets know what it is like to get a respec every time they logged in. You've played the game enough to know how to invest SP from experience. The people that started in Open Beta had either friends and corpmates inform them or got a taste of what it was like on May 6th then again on May 21st with the optional respec. The people that have only played in Uprising don't know any of this. It's lack of experience and it is from CCP's terrible "tutorial." Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:25:00 - [70] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). You can only progress every 2 months Seems fair, not, the grind is TOO much 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race

Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 999	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:26:00 - [71] - Quote NK Scout wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old. Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year It doesn't take a year to get good gear. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1256	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:27:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. thank you.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9301	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:29:00 - [73] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It is one thing to want a respec because you're just tired of the stuff you skilled into. It is another thing to want a respec for new content since racial variants (especially for dropsuits) should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. This I think makes a respec completely justified, but its not the biggest reason. Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying an expensive sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into an expensive tractor. The tractor may be a great tractor, but if you're a race car driver and not a farmer then you're screwed; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required. The Minmatar logi is such an example. Awry Barux wrote: An example of the changes invalidating previous decisions: I generally run Min Logi, uplinks, hives, and a scanner. No rep tool because I'm not that kind of logi. I picked Min Logi for the hacking bonus (free complex codebreaker), which is being changed to a bonus to something that I have never used in the past and will never use in the future. That warrants a respec. I thought the idea that these big changes warranted a respec would be clear and obvious to CCP, but CPM member Hans Jagerblitzen has informed me that its not guaranteed yet. This should be a guaranteed thing, not a maybe. For those worried about the favorite-of-the-month chasers, the respecs do not create the the problems, its poor balancing that leads to FoTMs; they will just get nerfed and re-balanced anyway. The fundamental issue is our choices not being invalidated. Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true. So yeah, respec for 1.8 please, for dropsuit command at the very least. Ideally all infantry skills. Here is why: Awry Barux wrote: Skilling into a different dropsuit necessitates very different SP distribution. If someone is switching from logi to heavy, what use would they have for equipment skills? If someone is switching from Amarr sentinel to Cal sentinel, they deserve to move their armor SP to shields. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142199 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
CHECHOWOMAN X EDEN HISPANO XXX Zero-Day 19	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:31:00 - [74] - Quote I have kidnapped her cat! If I do not reset the clone ... I kill you! And I get a new suit him, CATKILLER! Bonus costume in bad milk EDEN HISPANO XXX , CHECHOMAN recluta ! , pero no a cualquiera , acabas de empezar y necesitas ayuda ... Aqui nos tienes
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 311	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:34:00 - [75] - Quote Rsrvd DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 778	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:35:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. why not just confirm or deny a respec? What's so secret about it. Everyone is talking about it anyway. What's CCPs problem? How can you respec yourselves? Who wants some?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 778	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:39:00 - [77] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). everyone already knows CCP doesn't care about a market. Booster sales are the prime focus. Hence allowing FoTM every patch. Notice its never the same thing twice. Why make something OP if everyone already has skills in it? Who wants some?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:41:00 - [78] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:42:00 - [79] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). everyone already knows CCP doesn't care about a market. Booster sales are the prime focus. Hence allowing FoTM every patch. Notice its never the same thing twice. Why make something OP if everyone already has skills in it? If you need more tinfoil I have an extra roll at the house. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10979	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:44:00 - [80] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:53:00 - [81] - Quote NK Scout wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old. Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year Doubt it, if only the suits are dropped and no respec is given then we will see a small climb in numbers. The problems this game has is all to do with content and player numbers. Matchmaking sucks because there aren't enough players. The game is boring because there isn't anything to do. The game isn't fun because we don't have many modules and suits. The game is a grind because it should be to get the best gear. Players are a whiners, we want it all right now the way we want it and it better be perfect. It doesn't matter that the noob didn't read or consider what they were doing when placing SP. It doesn't matter that people skilled into things that were OP for the simple fact that they were OP. It doesn't matter about anything but how the players feel. A lot of us should stop feeling and start thinking, it would stop a lot of problems. If CCP wants to bring back the largest amount of players with the potential to keep as many as possible then they need to give a refund to entice people to play. The problem with that is the game needs to be fun. Refund and respecs will only make players feel good for a while and will not solve the problem of the game being boring, repetitive and bland. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 739	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:55:00 - [82] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads. Bendtner92 wrote: I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into. Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments. There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it. You've put it very well. I'm going to add a few more examples in favour of a respec, two about dropsuit command and two about weaponry. DROPSUIT COMMAND A lot of people specced into the Minmatar logistics suit because they wanted a fast logi that could set up uplinks, scan the objective, and get a quick hack in. The previous bonus (hack speed) specifically catered to that playstyle. And now CCP are proposing a bonus that is for the exact opposite playstyle - someone who's walking along with his rep tool locked on a heavy. Many Minmatar logistics players have NO interest in rep tools and had no reason to expect the most lightly armoured, fastest logi with a hacking bonus to suddenly become the designated chubby chaser. A lot of heavies specced into Amarr heavy frame rather than Amarr sentinel because the heavy frame's 2/3 slot layout at proto is superior to the 1/4 slot layout on the sentinel. Low and behold, in 1.8 Amarr sentinel gets that 2/3 slot layout plus some great bonuses. It is objectively better than the heavy frame in several respects and worse in none. But if there's no respec, the only people to get the benefit of the 2/3 layout and great bonuses are the people who chose the 1/4 slot layout suit! This is not a matter of choice but a lottery, plain and simple. WEAPONRY Until 1.8, the Amarr commando bonuses were not specific to Amarr weapons, so there was no reason for Commandos to spec Amarr weapons in particular. Many have specialized in ARs, RRs, CRs, MDs, shotguns, swarms, sniper rifles, etc, in dozens of different combinations. But with 1.8 any fit that does not involve two weapons from the same empire will be uncompetitive as it will be missing out on a bonus. A commando with his SP in, say, ARs and swarms will go from getting a bonus on both his weapons to getting no bonus at all if he's in an Amarr commando. Even if he gets his dropsuit SP respecced, there is no suit he can spec into that will give a bonus to both the weapons he has SP in, as they are from different empires. Unless he gets his weaponry SP funded, he will always be at a disadvantage, just because CCP made the commando bonuses so Empire specific. The same general point applies to using any non-matching light weapon+sidearm combination with any assault suit. For instance, an CR+ScP combo has been fine up til now - no disadvantage to using that. But as the 1.8 assault suit bonuses will apply only to light weapons and sidearms of that Empire, anyone with SP in a sidearm that doesn't 'match' their light weapon will be at a disadvantage even if they get their dropsuit SP refunded. For instance, in the CR+ScP example, if you spec Minmatar assault, you get no bonus on the ScP. You'd probably be better off with an SMG, as you'd get the bonus then, but you had no reason to spec that so you didn't. There are several other examples like this - cases where, unless people get weaponry respecced, they'll be at a disadvantage through no fault of their own. TL;DR Respec dropsuit command and weaponry at the very least.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:57:00 - [83] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. I am not, he said it takes a month to do anything in DUST and that EVE isn't the same way. If you are going proto then yes it does take a month but it isn't out of line with EVE. Standard and advanced gear is easy and inexpensive to get into. I am just showing that it does take time to get the best equipment because I don't think he is talking about skilling into basic or advanced gear. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:07:00 - [84] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old. Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year It doesn't take a year to get good gear. proto suit, complex mods, cpu/pg upgrades, and random sp 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:10:00 - [85] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). A market, a bounty system, a full line up of suits/weapons and the ablity to go where we want like proper sandbox is what is needed, not SP refunds. I try not to complain about blues but the past three or four days have been the worst I have ever played. I don't even understand what they are doing. The reason I die to HAVs is because no one will help destroy them, light rifles don't hurt heavy armored vehicles. You are correct it is going to be sad to see CCP acquiesce to bad players. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 782	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:11:00 - [86] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). everyone already knows CCP doesn't care about a market. Booster sales are the prime focus. Hence allowing FoTM every patch. Notice its never the same thing twice. Why make something OP if everyone already has skills in it? If you need more tinfoil I have an extra roll at the house. my foily days are over. Its bad for your teeth. Who wants some?
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 96	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:11:00 - [87] - Quote Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 740	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:12:00 - [88] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Players are a whiners, we want it all right now the way we want it and it better be perfect. It doesn't matter that the noob didn't read or consider what they were doing when placing SP. It doesn't matter that people skilled into things that were OP for the simple fact that they were OP. It doesn't matter about anything but how the players feel. A lot of us should stop feeling and start thinking, it would stop a lot of problems. You are right, usually there are people whining for a respec just because they made mistakes. But this is different. The scale of the changes being made to suits means that, without a respec, plenty of people who have made good decisions would be forced into totally uncompetitive suit/weapon combinations, and in some cases, totally different playstyles (e.g. Min logi going from being the speed hacker to the chubby chaser). Either of these options is fine: 1. Everything stays as it is, choices stand (no respec). or 2. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, everyone gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus respec). This really is not: 3. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, but no one gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus no respec)
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 775	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:13:00 - [89] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough?
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 35	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:50:00 - [90] - Quote respec has to happen all infantry skills i.e weapons, upgrades and dropsuits

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:51:00 - [91] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Players are a whiners, we want it all right now the way we want it and it better be perfect. It doesn't matter that the noob didn't read or consider what they were doing when placing SP. It doesn't matter that people skilled into things that were OP for the simple fact that they were OP. It doesn't matter about anything but how the players feel. A lot of us should stop feeling and start thinking, it would stop a lot of problems. You are right, usually there are people whining for a respec just because they made mistakes. But this is different. The scale of the changes being made to suits means that, without a respec, plenty of people who have made good decisions would be forced into totally uncompetitive suit/weapon combinations, and in some cases, totally different playstyles (e.g. Min logi going from being the speed hacker to the chubby chaser). Either of these options is fine: 1. Everything stays as it is, choices stand (no respec). or 2. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, everyone gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus respec). This really is not: 3. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, but no one gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus no respec) Changes in the skill tree, to me, is the only reason to give any SP back. They change stuff in EVE all the time and it isn't that bad. I think they have painted themselves into a corner and almost have to have to give back SP but at the same time we have had plenty of time to save SP for the upcoming changes that aren't even official yet. I completely understand if they decide to refund SP for suits but if they don't it isn't the end of the world. I like that CCP does things their own way, EVE would totally suck if they did what the players want. The new deployables are a prime example. People want the code rewritten and new stuff. They rewrote parts of the code to allow for deployable structures and then released them to see how they work. These structures are EVE2.0 but people are whining about them sucking or being pointless yet they provide content and are the foundation of the code all players want. CCP can't win no matter what they do. If they release the best content of all time the players ask why wasn't there more, if it sucks the players rage quit and if it is largely back-end changes and small stuff they are called inept and stupid even if the things released are fun and provided content. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:52:00 - [92] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 765	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:56:00 - [93] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. I am not, he said it takes a month to do anything in DUST and that EVE isn't the same way. If you are going proto then yes it does take a month but it isn't out of line with EVE. Standard and advanced gear is easy and inexpensive to get into. I am just showing that it does take time to get the best equipment because I don't think he is talking about skilling into basic or advanced gear. In EVE you don't need maximum SP into a specialization to be able to fight an assault frig. You could use a Thrasher(destroyer) or a Rifter/slasher. You can get a lv3 all skills Rifter in about 3 days.(gun, afterburner, shield booster, stasis web, Gyro.) In DUST if you want to run a moderately decent shotgun scout you need Biotics V, kincats 1, weaponry 3, lw op 4, and shotgun op 1. That's 1-2 mill SP right there, not to mention the sp for profile dampening and a STANDARD remote. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 420	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:58:00 - [94] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: respec has to happen all infantry skills i.e weapons, upgrades and dropsuits i have 2 mil sp in armor upgrades, i want out 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 780	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:16:00 - [95] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. Refer to post #3 of this thread for the primary argument for upgrade and weapon respecs. To add to it, what if I was a Min RPer who went Min Assault to wait for the Min Heavy? Light weapon skills, while not 100% useless, no longer fit my role. Similarly, an Amarr heavy who was waiting to go Amarr scout probably has millions tied up in heavy weapons that are unusable on the scout suit. Again, similarly, someone who went with their racial medium, say, Min Logi, to wait for the Min Heavy, probably has millions tied up in equipment skills that are literally unusable in a sentinel suit. I can come up with 1000s of similar examples, but you get the idea. Weapon and dropsuit upgrade skill choice are not separable from dropsuit command- everyone skills into them with their dropsuit in mind, and if dropsuit choices are changing, the other trees must be re-chosen as well.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6870	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:18:00 - [96] - Quote Um guys. I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10986	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:31:00 - [97] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Um guys. I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread. It better be filled with Respec ammo or the negative word of mouth Orbital Artillery just might deal a crippling blow Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:41:00 - [98] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. I am not, he said it takes a month to do anything in DUST and that EVE isn't the same way. If you are going proto then yes it does take a month but it isn't out of line with EVE. Standard and advanced gear is easy and inexpensive to get into. I am just showing that it does take time to get the best equipment because I don't think he is talking about skilling into basic or advanced gear. In EVE you don't need maximum SP into a specialization to be able to fight an assault frig. You could use a Thrasher(destroyer) or a Rifter/slasher. You can get a lv3 all skills Rifter in about 3 days.(gun, afterburner, shield booster, stasis web, Gyro.) In DUST if you want to run a moderately decent shotgun scout you need Biotics V, kincats 1, weaponry 3, lw op 4, and shotgun op 1. That's 1-2 mill SP right there, not to mention the sp for profile dampening and a STANDARD remote. Edit: in DUST the quickest way into PC is proto basic, which costs 6-9 mill SP just to do, which is about 3-4 months. Now tell me, does EVE keep newbies from joinin the fray until they've grinded for 3-4 months to get 1 suit to even mediocre levels? Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:16:00 - [99] - Quote Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:20:00 - [100] - Quote Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:22:00 - [101] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 789	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [102] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only What about switching from shields to armor, or armor to shields? Or into/out of EWAR skills?
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:25:00 - [103] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only What about switching from shields to armor, or armor to shields? Or into/out of EWAR skills? all your core skills should be high by now anyways. you can always grind and get your core shields and armor up. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 20	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:25:00 - [104] - Quote Secondary to the "yes or no" conversation: if there is a respec, can we opt out to maintain our current skill trees? Or possibly get an email/evemail with our current trees so we can rebuild accurately? Daj Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel! I provide training: 1M isk: 90 Minutes of Basic Command
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 375	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:36:00 - [105] - Quote OK so once again I will reiterate the importance that CCP grants the players a repec. 1. This will help new players in that they can properly skill suit their suit of choice where they might have made mistakes in the skill tree. 2. Some people have been forced to spec into other roles because the roles they wanted to fufill did not exist. 3. There have been too many changes all at once to the suits and equipment, so some may not want to play the role they currently play. 4. The value of granting the respec will mean that more people will see value in buying boosters to finally skill further into their role CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 68	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:40:00 - [106] - Quote A respec would be fair for people who liked a playstyle or role that his/her race of choice didn't have. Fortunately for me, i'd basically spec into the same things i have now. Maybe i would invest better the SP for a couple lvl1 weapons i never liked but other than that i won't be leaving my current proficiency skills and dropsuits, only adding the new Gal Commando and maybe Sentinel plus new weapons.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 766	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:41:00 - [107] - Quote At the VERY VERY least, refund SP into heavy weapons, heavy/light tree, and equipment(nanocircuitry, uplinks, scanners) Current logis need to be able to take their current logi choice and be given the chance to 'spec' back with their racial choice. Heavies who are tired of being shortended need to be able to spec out, assaults/commandos/slayer logis need to be able to redistribute the SP they were given to be able to spec properly into the bew foundation CCP has laid out. 'No respec/refund' shafts scouts, logis(true ones), sentinels, and commandos. You simply CANNOT shaft 90% of the minority and expect to get away with it, just look at the american segregation. True, '90%' of the game is Fotm slayer logis and assaults, but just because they can live with spending 2.3 mill SP into their 1 new OP weapon is different than a Sentinel who wishes to go Caldari who's just spent 6-15 million SP into their 1 role that will be null: Armor upgrades, armor plates, repairers, HMG operation/proficiency, FG operation/proficiency, Sentinel operation. Refund those if you're deadset on only having a 100 player max like Armored Core V/VD. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:41:00 - [108] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:43:00 - [109] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. Refer to post #3 of this thread for the primary argument for upgrade and weapon respecs. To add to it, what if I was a Min RPer who went Min Assault to wait for the Min Heavy? Light weapon skills, while not 100% useless, no longer fit my role. Similarly, an Amarr heavy who was waiting to go Amarr scout probably has millions tied up in heavy weapons that are unusable on the scout suit. Again, similarly, someone who went with their racial medium, say, Min Logi, to wait for the Min Heavy, probably has millions tied up in equipment skills that are literally unusable in a sentinel suit. I can come up with 1000s of similar examples, but you get the idea. Weapon and dropsuit upgrade skill choice are not separable from dropsuit command- everyone skills into them with their dropsuit in mind, and if dropsuit choices are changing, the other trees must be re-chosen as well. Don't get me wrong, CCP has made it where a refund is almost 100% needed. The point of my entire diatribe is that most skills we skilled into are needed for all suits and only a hand full of skills dictate minute to minute fighting. Anything more than a dropsuit refund isn't needed only wanted. Most items can be skilled into in a short amount of time. All gear doesn't need to be prototype to be able to play the game. I agree that we are going to get the shaft in suits. I skilled into Amarr assault for the weapon bonus and if they take it I will never use it again. I skilled into Amarr logi for the rep bonus so yes I do see the problem but at the same time we have had ample time to save our SP. Like the song says, you got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. We shouldn't let our feelings dictate the direction of the game, we need to think about what is best for the game not what is best for the individual. I have said many it many times and I'll say it again. All of our problems stem from a lack of content and not much else. One year from now I will almost bet my next years pay this will topic will still be here because it is based on emotion not thought. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10990	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:44:00 - [110] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2038	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:44:00 - [111] - Quote I'd support a refund for the dropsuit command tree. I'd love to see more people in the new suits right away instead of the slow trickle of people earning SP to skill into it. I know most of us vets are sitting on a pile of SP, but I want to see a more varied battlefield sooner rather than later. I mostly hope they change the drop suit tree to be closer to the new vehicle tree. It'd be great to have the newbies just put points into one skill to give access to all the racial variants of a certain type, but then give a skill that lets them get the most out of their favorite. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 68	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:46:00 - [112] - Quote I support a Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades respec. Not Weaponry. A nerf never meant respec before.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 766	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:47:00 - [113] - Quote Refuse a respec and the vets will still stomp the newbies. It's the way this game rolls: my Min scout will still hit at 400 knife damage a slash. My Cr will still melt nearly any single person within my clip. My amarr commando will still have a reload bonus to Combat rifles. My minmatar assault will get a bonus to my Mass Driver/flaylock. Go ahead, refuse me a refund, i'll simply play Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate more, i'll buy that 'Super niche' 300-400 playerbase game that treats it's players the way the want to be treated. I'll just return in half a year, with even more SP to blow than i have now, and i'll be twoce as powerful as i would be without a refund. And god help us, if CCP hasn't added PVE or corp contracts... I will simply stomp people all day long in my newly acquired Min Commando. I might even stomp the academy, just to test new suits on alts. T E S T M E . Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:52:00 - [114] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. news flash they won't need a respec then! Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2221	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:55:00 - [115] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10999	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:01:00 - [116] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. news flash they won't need a respec then! Is DUST a video game, or real life? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 68	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:11:00 - [117] - Quote Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. They are having a hard time with delivering rewards to everyone. I think CCP is doing a great job with the limited resources they have. You think you deserve a respec you say you would come back or stay if they do. I haven't left. I have spent hundreds of dollars in support of this game. Not to pay 2 win but because this is a business! If they can't turn a profit it won't go on. I would rather they spend their precious time developing PvE, different modes, and improved gameplay. Don't give me a respec because I have some useless suits and weapons, rather spend time on core gameplay and additional content! Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:21:00 - [118] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead. So should they have given a frig respec when they tiericided the frigs? Lots of players would return and some would stay. Is it worth going back on their mantra or ideals to gain a small percentage of players? I agree that refunded SP would bring back and keep players but with CCPs track record of releases I honestly don't think it will help in the long run. They will give a respec, people will dump SP in OP weapons/suits or make stupid choices, like they do now, and in 5 months we'll be right back here because of the nerf/buff cycles that we will have till the the game shuts down. Content, content, and more content is what we need. Refunds are a band aid. If/when HAVs get re-rebalanced they will be begging for a respec because it isn't the win button they skilled into. Should they get one then or wait till medium vehicles or speeders are released? When will it be enough? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:35:00 - [119] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead. In the scope of the game it is the same, I don't have a proto suit (I have never even used a prototype suit), I use bpo weapons and advanced mods almost 100% of the time. The amount of SP needed to build one of my suits is very low compared to some guy running full prototype gear. In a good squad I have no problems what so ever in doing my job. Put me in a bad squad and I get rolled, fly in a good fleet and a pilot will do well and put the same exact pilot in the same setup in a bad fleet and they won't get past the gate. My point is that if you look at the amount of time needed to do end game things in EVE and then compare them to DUST then Dust is a cake walk when time is compared. Being a noob sucks in both games, getting into the game and developing experience and friends will mean more than almost any amount of SP. My EVE toon is around two years old and has 31M SP, my DUST toon is less than a year old and has 16M. I don't have the money or time or the skill to have 30M SP, that doesn't mean that I can't play or should be given special treatment. Yes I can go to PC, do my job and walk away happy but it doesn't have as much to do with SP as it does personal skill and the squad I run with. Low SP players have a place in DUST and in EVE and we shouldn't count them out. I am a horrible shot and a new player with good personal skill will own me every time, SP isn't all we make it out to be. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:37:00 - [120] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Is DUST a video game, or real life? Haven't you heard, EVE is real? Come on now this is as close as it comes to having a life that some of us will get. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:39:00 - [121] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. They are having a hard time with delivering rewards to everyone. I think CCP is doing a great job with the limited resources they have. You think you deserve a respec you say you would come back or stay if they do. I haven't left. I have spent hundreds of dollars in support of this game. Not to pay 2 win but because this is a business! If they can't turn a profit it won't go on. I would rather they spend their precious time developing PvE, different modes, and improved gameplay. Don't give me a respec because I have some useless suits and weapons, rather spend time on core gameplay and additional content! This is the best post of the entire thread. All other posts should be ignored and his post put in its place. You are 100% correct and good job for putting it into words. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1800	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:39:00 - [122] - Quote Respecs in Dust are not necessary. First of all you get unlimited SP anyways, contrary to the limited amount of skillpoints you have in other MMOs. Meaning you can't waste SP. You spent 2 Million on a weapon you don't use anymore? Who cares? Might come in handy later. Core skills apply to every suit anyways and if you want to spec into some new shiny item it takes a week or 2 at max with capping out to get it to advanced level, allowing you to use proto gear from the LP store. "Wasted" SP just give you more variety. More to chose from for your fittings. I don't see how you can even call that wasted. And as soon as you hit maybe 10 - 15 Million SP you start speccing into stuff you don't use all the time anyways. Also allowing respecs would make the skillsystem obsolete. Because of the amount of SP you amass over time. A respec would mean that you can instantly reallocate all your SP yo you're always the best with the fitting you're using. Having maxed out all important things all the time. Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. Most people who want a respec are most of the time people who haven't been playing very long yet. Because when you have a certain amount of SP you just don't care that much anymore. You just start thinking: "What do I want to try out next time? This sounds nice! Let's see: I need x SP to max it out. This means I can use the proto stuff in Y weeks." Does this mean new chars should be able to respec? No. If you're uncertain you want a skill create a new char and try it out with your 500k SP. I too have "wasted" SP how so many people call it. And I mean a lot. I have a few million in Assault Rifles I don't use. I have a few million in Caldari suits I don't use. Heck: I maxed out Caldari logistics and got Caldari assault to 3. I have an Amarr logistic on Level 3. I have several million SP in combat rifles which I don't use because I hate the Burst Fire variant and I only run Std gear most of the time. And I too would know places these SP would work better. But who the hell cares? In the next few months I hit the point where I wouldn't know how to spend my SP anyways and I would start spending it on stuff like other suits and so on. And the typical argument "Yeah. They should give a respec because racial variants." and so on doesn't make any sense either. I mean yeah. They could do that and then you can finally use your Caldari Heavy suit instantly. But wouldn't that be unfair when new stuff comes out? Maybe I really want to use a Sisters of Eve suit which may or may not be introduced at a later point. I too want a respec then because it's unfair if I don't get one. I mean you got one for Racial suits too. And like you I didn't "Have the possibility to skill into that suit which is using a role that didn't exist." But that's just not how the game works. What kind of argument is that anyways? When Ewar is introduced with new special suits I want a respec too! I always wanted to sue Ewar but it didn't exist! So what? Deal with it. Save up your SP when it's announced. Spec into it when it gets released. As simple as that. And I mean seriously: We know about the new suits and weapons which will probably introduced with 1.8 for how long now? A month? Or even 2? If you want to use them instantly save up. It's not that hard. What do you spend your SP on all the time when you know there's a suit coming out soon which you REALLY want? What are you doing with your SP you get all the time while you go to the forums and request respecs? I am REALLY wondering. Because I see people wanting respecs all the time but not a single one answers this question when I ask. Do you use these SP for skills you don't want anyways? I really don't have another answer. Because if you would just use these SP for the shiny new weapon you now really want then you wouldn't have any reason to demand a respec. My favorite are the people who start creating a new character because the "skilled the wrong skills". Seriously? It's easier for you to start a new character with 500k SP instead of capping out for 2 weeks? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:47:00 - [123] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:52:00 - [124] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11004	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:53:00 - [125] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:54:00 - [126] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec That doesn't mean it didn't waste resources. It just means that it wasn't all borked up when they released it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1612	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:56:00 - [127] - Quote Mahal Daj wrote: Secondary to the "yes or no" conversation: if there is a respec, can we opt out to maintain our current skill trees? Or possibly get an email/evemail with our current trees so we can rebuild accurately? Daj if they make it a support ticket respec then this wont be a problem. although for them blanket respecs are easier. if, there will be a respec CCP will give the date of the respec and you'll have time to notate what you have now. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:58:00 - [128] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:59:00 - [129] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. I totally agree. It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1612	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:01:00 - [130] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:01:00 - [131] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. I totally agree. It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different. Not to mention that many people act like they can only spec into one suit and one suit only. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11004	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:03:00 - [132] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:03:00 - [133] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1612	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:04:00 - [134] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder. us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:05:00 - [135] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time. So? You wanted Gallente Heavy. You wanted a scout suit. Why spec into assault then? Why spec into Amarr heavy? Why didn't you use your skillpoints on coreskills first? Why does that deny you speccing into Gallente heavy when he's available? Why didn't you spec into scout suits? because they were stomped? So what? It's more than obvious that the game will get even more balancing patches in the future. And this was also obvious before. You shouldn't spec into the FOTM, you should spec into what you want to play. D legendary hero wrote: because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder. us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break? YOu always have a choice and even if that choice is "I'll save up SP for when the stuff comes out." And yes: YOu knew they were coming for a year. It wasn't some kind of "I wonder if they will add them at some point." Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11004	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:05:00 - [136] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff. There is a huge difference between the two. And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:05:00 - [137] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first. This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. I totally agree. It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different. Not to mention that many people act like they can only spec into one suit and one suit only. I think I have four suits at advanced and none at proto. The price isn't worth it. I the only prototype things I use anymore is the rep tool and light damage mod. Everything else I use is advance or under. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11004	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:06:00 - [138] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time. So? You wanted Gallente Heavy. You wanted a scout suit. Why spec into assault then? Why spec into Amarr heavy? Why didn't you use your skillpoints on coreskills first? Why does that deny you speccing into Gallente heavy when he's available? Why didn't you spec into scout suits? because they were stomped? So what? It's more than obvious that the game will get even more balancing patches in the future. And this was also obvious before. You shouldn't spec into the FOTM, you should spec into what you want to play. You're talking out of your ass. So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:08:00 - [139] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff. There is a huge difference between the two. And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules. No there's no difference. New items get added. THat's it. Backlog or not. Pilot suits are also backlogged stuff. And CCP probably has at least ideas for new suits. And that still doesn't change the way suits are played. Oh wait. It does: You can't use LOGISTICS as ASSAULTS that easily anymore. But if you specced into logistics because you wanted a slayer logi it was your fault to begin with. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1612	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:09:00 - [140] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else. the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this... minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11012	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:09:00 - [141] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff. There is a huge difference between the two. And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules. No there's no difference. New items get added. THat's it. Backlog or not. Pilot suits are also backlogged stuff. And CCP probably has at least ideas for new suits. And that still doesn't change the way suits are played. Oh wait. It does: You can't use LOGISTICS as ASSAULTS that easily anymore. But if you specced into logistics because you wanted a slayer logi it was your fault to begin with. Assume That's all you seem to do Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:10:00 - [142] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11012	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:12:00 - [143] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:13:00 - [144] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else. the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this... minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem. No. There's a difference between losing SP because of a change and not using them anymore because it's your own decision. This doesn't affect the skilltree. It affects the suits. And it doesn't change the suits intended role. So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 - [145] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re. Out of arguments already? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 - [146] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're talking out of your ass. So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? +1 They were told to suck it up from day one and play that particular style or get lost. I have to agree with scouts and heavies that they deserve a refund. They weren't offered a choice of core suit line up. I could and have argued the opposite but I think now is the best time to refund SP for suits if they are going to introduce the core racial line up. It may not be right but I do think it is what is best for the game at this particular time if they do release ALL the suits at once in the way in which we are speculating them be and with the changes we think are going to happen. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1616	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 - [147] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2994	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:15:00 - [148] - Quote Nearly every player is in agreement that a respec should happen. What remains is CCP's feelings on the issue. And I doubt their feelings have changed. Understand... if we don't get a respec this forces a number of people who want the new stuff to buy boosters to get it faster. CCP wants that. Especially since every major release is aimed primarily at increasing booster sales. This being probably the most major release since uprising itself, to give a respec now would be absolutely unacceptable from their marketing standpoint. So basically, a thing needs to happen for the good of the game, and some of the devs probably agree, but it wont because marketing. Still a better love story than Twilight.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 69	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:16:00 - [149] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. I'm not holier than thou. I'm not trying to keep your I'll placed sp from you. If they just respec drop suit command I will have a ton of sp to spend. I'm a logi the first logi suit I had was a callogi prenerf. I do not use that suit at all anymore as I do not slay. I stand to gain way more from a respec than you I've seen your DS vids. I only want what is best for this game. I'm curious what is it that you would spend your freed up sp on, and how often do you think you deserve a respec? Every time something is added, or changed? Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11012	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:18:00 - [150] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Nearly every player is in agreement that a respec should happen. What remains is CCP's feelings on the issue. And I doubt their feelings have changed. Understand... if we don't get a respec this forces a number of people who want the new stuff to buy boosters to get it faster. CCP wants that. Especially since every major release is aimed primarily at increasing booster sales. This being probably the most major release since uprising itself, to give a respec now would be absolutely unacceptable from their marketing standpoint. So basically, a thing needs to happen for the good of the game, and some of the devs probably agree, but it wont because marketing. Still a better love story than Twilight. Or it forces smart consumers to realize that the money they're spending is being spent on things that will very likely be entirely altered without their consent, and they will have no option but to stick with CCPs decision. It will more than likely reduce the sale of boosters because who spends money on something when they don't even know what they're getting? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:18:00 - [151] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1616	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:18:00 - [152] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else. the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this... minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem. No. There's a difference between losing SP because of a change and not using them anymore because it's your own decision. This doesn't affect the skilltree. It affects the suits. And it doesn't change the suits intended role. So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the ** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose? who the ** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1616	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:20:00 - [153] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions. Answer my questions. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:21:00 - [154] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: who the **** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments The devs pointed that out some time ago. Also it's not about the bonus change, it's about the role of the dropsuits. Logistics will always be there for support. The only role they may lose with 1.8 is the slayer role. But why did you spec into logistics if you wanted an assault class to begin with? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11014	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:21:00 - [155] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. I'm not holier than thou. I'm not trying to keep your I'll placed sp from you. If they just respec drop suit command I will have a ton of sp to spend. I'm a logi the first logi suit I had was a callogi prenerf. I do not use that suit at all anymore as I do not slay. I stand to gain way more from a respec than you I've seen your DS vids. I only want what is best for this game. I'm curious what is it that you would spend your freed up sp on, and how often do you think you deserve a respec? Every time something is added, or changed? I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it. I can see CCP wanting to keep to new eden mentality with SP or whatever, I've never argued for on demand or even frequent respecs. That said, I would be fine if everyone could respec at will before any match, because it does not affect anyone in any way other than hurting their imagination. It's a video game. Period. People need to chill out. I would spend my SP on finishing up my Incubus build, then either sitting on the rest for when Logistics ships get put back in, or I would go Gallente Shotgun Scout. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:21:00 - [156] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions. Answer my questions. I did. And you don't even answer mine. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:23:00 - [157] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose? I have to agree, if you are putting SP into a fit you don't like or isn't working for you then why are you doing it? I had a little over a Mil saved but I wanted to play with flaylocks and mass drivers. I only put one level into them so I could try them out, I am now up to level 3 in both but I took it slow. I did it for fun knowing that I have little SP to blow if they don't refund SP, it is my fault and if I don't receive a refund then I'll just collect my own tears because I know that I made that choice not knowing what CCP was going to do. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11014	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:24:00 - [158] - Quote Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits? Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:28:00 - [159] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits? Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing. For spicing things up a little bit maybe? DIfferent bonuses, different slot layout. Different tank type. Having fun with creating fittings? You have a shield tank but you notice all enemies are using laser weaponry? Then just switch to your armor tank in the match. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1651	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:30:00 - [160] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it. I can see CCP wanting to keep to new eden mentality with SP or whatever, I've never argued for on demand or even frequent respecs. That said, I would be fine if everyone could respec at will before any match, because it does not affect anyone in any way other than hurting their imagination. It's a video game. Period. People need to chill out. I would spend my SP on finishing up my Incubus build, then either sitting on the rest for when Logistics ships get put back in, or I would go Gallente Shotgun Scout. I am totally for competition and players being able to have fun but one thing that lures me to this game is that I know that you are going to be doing what you were yesterday. No re specs mean, to me, that the people I am fighting today will be the people I am fighting tomorrow. I know that you can't be a perfect HAV speced pilot today and just drop it all and go fatboy tomorrow. If you have the SP to do both then you deserve to do both but I know you just didn't put it where you want it just to play that one match. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11015	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:32:00 - [161] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it. I can see CCP wanting to keep to new eden mentality with SP or whatever, I've never argued for on demand or even frequent respecs. That said, I would be fine if everyone could respec at will before any match, because it does not affect anyone in any way other than hurting their imagination. It's a video game. Period. People need to chill out. I would spend my SP on finishing up my Incubus build, then either sitting on the rest for when Logistics ships get put back in, or I would go Gallente Shotgun Scout. I am totally for competition and players being able to have fun but one thing that lures me to this game is that I know that you are going to be doing what you were yesterday. No re specs mean, to me, that the people I am fighting today will be the people I am fighting tomorrow. I know that you can't be a perfect HAV speced pilot today and just drop it all and go fatboy tomorrow. If you have the SP to do both then you deserve to do both but I know you just didn't put it where you want it just to play that one match. And I'm not suggesting that someone should be able to do that. I'm simply highlighting that it actually makes no difference once you're in game. The enemy is the enemy and it doesn't matter what they field, they're going down. The fear is an emotional response and nothing more. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1651	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:32:00 - [162] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits? Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing. I have three different logi suits that I use for different reasons. I understand why a merc would want more than one. I put three levels into the Amarr suit tree for the LR and the rep tool. No other reasons. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11015	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:33:00 - [163] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits? Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing. For spicing things up a little bit maybe? DIfferent bonuses, different slot layout. Different tank type. Having fun with creating fittings? You have a shield tank but you notice all enemies are using laser weaponry? Then just switch to your armor tank in the match. And like I said, if you think that's worth wasting the SP for, then by all means. But under no circumstances should we be forced to do that unless we so choose. Telling us to run MLT fits for a year just shows that you do not understand this game at all Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:33:00 - [164] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re. Out of arguments already? no. he saw that you missed the point entirely, and failed to answer his question. Obviously, your a literate person, who thinks about what he is saying. problem here, which dust fiend noticed early, is that you don't read (as in take heed, or understand fully) the idea behind what anyone else is saying in response to you. honestly, people play games for fun. this we can both agree on. common ground established. now, with this in mind. would you have fun grinding on core gears for 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? 3 months? its annoying. its not exactly fun. especially with proto dudes pwning you left and right. illustration 1 If you go to a resturant and the dish you want isnt served there, do you just get up and walk out, or do you order a substitute? Some people do get up and walk out (hence, low player count) others order a substitute. if you return to said resturant and they are now offering the meal you originally wanted, you no longer order the substitute. illustration 2 you are taking courses in college. you pass your remedial or requiered none core subjects (core skills). you begin progressing in your desired feild was canceled after you finish your remedials (like heavies being belayed a whole fuking year). do you drop out of college? or continue on a substitute field? some drop out (hence low player count), others continue. now, your desired field courses are back, for whatever reason. do you have the option to transfer credits? yes. many colleges offer students the ability to switch majors and transfer credits. application. infantry and weaponry have changed so much since 1.1. and 1.8 is going to be for infantry what 1.7 was for vehicles. not offering a respec would be ludicrous. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:37:00 - [165] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type? Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re. Out of arguments already? no. he saw that you missed the point entirely, and failed to answer his question. Obviously, your a literate person, who thinks about what he is saying. problem here, which dust fiend noticed early, is that you don't read (as in take heed, or understand fully) the idea behind what anyone else is saying in response to you. honestly, people play games for fun. this we can both agree on. common ground established. now, with this in mind. would you have fun grinding on core gears for 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? 3 months? its annoying. its not exactly fun. especially with proto dudes pwning you left and right. illustration 1 If you go to a resturant and the dish you want isnt served there, do you just get up and walk out, or do you order a substitute? Some people do get up and walk out (hence, low player count) others order a substitute. if you return to said resturant and they are now offering the meal you originally wanted, you no longer order the substitute. illustration 2 you are taking courses in college. you pass your remedial or requiered none core subjects (core skills). you begin progressing in your desired feild was canceled after you finish your remedials (like heavies being belayed a whole fuking year). do you drop out of college? or continue on a substitute field? some drop out (hence low player count), others continue. now, your desired field courses are back, for whatever reason. do you have the option to transfer credits? yes. many colleges offer students the ability to switch majors and transfer credits. application. infantry and weaponry have changed so much since 1.1. and 1.8 is going to be for infantry what 1.7 was for vehicles. not offering a respec would be ludicrous. Yes. We play for fun. So, if we play for fun, why spec into something which isn't fun for you? You spec into Amarr Heavy? Why? Because you want to play Heavy. Ok. So when that's the difference between Amarr Heavy and Gallente Heavy? If there's that big of a difference for you I have to assume you didn't like the Amarr Heavy. So then why did you spec into it? If you still had fun with the Amarr Heavy then why do you want to throw that skill away for another Heavy suit? Do you see the problem? Illustration 1 Do you throw up your dish and want your money back when you see the dish you want in another restaurant a month later or do you just pay once again because the dish you ordered was still fine and made you full? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:38:00 - [166] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits? Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing. For spicing things up a little bit maybe? DIfferent bonuses, different slot layout. Different tank type. Having fun with creating fittings? You have a shield tank but you notice all enemies are using laser weaponry? Then just switch to your armor tank in the match. And like I said, if you think that's worth wasting the SP for, then by all means. But under no circumstances should we be forced to do that unless we so choose. Telling us to run MLT fits for a year just shows that you do not understand this game at all You used your SP for a suit you WANTED. If you didn't want it and actually felt forced then why did you play with that suit? Because obviously you didn't have fun. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:39:00 - [167] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions. Answer my questions. I did. And you don't even answer mine. didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question. do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 69	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:39:00 - [168] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. I'm not holier than thou. I'm not trying to keep your I'll placed sp from you. If they just respec drop suit command I will have a ton of sp to spend. I'm a logi the first logi suit I had was a callogi prenerf. I do not use that suit at all anymore as I do not slay. I stand to gain way more from a respec than you I've seen your DS vids. I only want what is best for this game. I'm curious what is it that you would spend your freed up sp on, and how often do you think you deserve a respec? Every time something is added, or changed? I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it. Lol I'm not against competition you don't know me. I have 28 mill sp and three proto suits not 1 sp in vehicles. An sp refund would be great I'm not thinking of me I'm thinking of what would be best for the game. BTW I'm done posting on the subject. Say what you will. I want you to have the best drop ship they have. I simply want you to earn it. Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11018	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:39:00 - [169] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Yes. We play for fun. So, if we play for fun, why spec into something which isn't fun for you? You spec into Amarr Heavy? Why? Because you want to play Heavy. Ok. So when that's the difference between Amarr Heavy and Gallente Heavy? If there's that big of a difference for you I have to assume you didn't like the Amarr Heavy. So then why did you spec into it? If you still had fun with the Amarr Heavy then why do you want to throw that skill away for another Heavy suit? Do you see the problem? I just can't believe there are players who actually think that not playing the game while they wait for core material to finally be released is somehow legit. I just. I can't even begin... Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11018	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:40:00 - [170] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I simply want you to earn it. Yup, my 25 million SP totally just appeared in my account over night. I never once earned any of that SP Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:42:00 - [171] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question. do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:42:00 - [172] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: so, you are encouraging people to leave this game? illustration1 if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:43:00 - [173] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Yes. We play for fun. So, if we play for fun, why spec into something which isn't fun for you? You spec into Amarr Heavy? Why? Because you want to play Heavy. Ok. So when that's the difference between Amarr Heavy and Gallente Heavy? If there's that big of a difference for you I have to assume you didn't like the Amarr Heavy. So then why did you spec into it? If you still had fun with the Amarr Heavy then why do you want to throw that skill away for another Heavy suit? Do you see the problem? I just can't believe there are players who actually think that not playing the game while they wait for core material to finally be released is somehow legit. I just. I can't even begin... And I cant believe people are playing something they don't think is fun. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11018	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:44:00 - [174] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 803	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:45:00 - [175] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: who the ** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments The devs pointed that out some time ago. Also it's not about the bonus change, it's about the role of the dropsuits. Logistics will always be there for support. The only role they may lose with 1.8 is the slayer role. But why did you spec into logistics if you wanted an assault class to begin with? No, the roles are not the same, and more roles than slayer were lost. I went Min Logi for a scouty/speed-hacker suit, designed to get in, plant uplinks, hack, and keep moving. I refer you to post #11: Awry Barux wrote:** Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:45:00 - [176] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect It's still a meal. And it's still what it was described as. Yes. Stuff changed. For example you probably can't use LOGISTICS dropsuits as ASSAULT dropsuits anymore. But if you did use your logistic as an assault dropsuit even though you had no intention to play as a Logi in the first place that's your own damn fault. And all the nerfing and buffing? Live with it. It won't happened the last time. Tanks are now OP. So hat? That will change again. The same like Logis, the Massdriver and Flaylocks changed. If you want perfect balancing you're obviously playing the wrong game. Because that won't happen with a game that changes as often as Dust. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:47:00 - [177] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question. do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then 12 months of core skills? im am just baffled at how you think that is fun or even possible without picking some sort of suit. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11018	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:47:00 - [178] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect It's still a meal. And it's still what it was described as. Yes. Stuff changed. For example you probably can't use LOGISTICS dropsuits as ASSAULT dropsuits anymore. But if you did use your logistic as an assault dropsuit even though you had no intention to play as a Logi in the first place that's your own damn fault. And all the nerfing and buffing? Live with it. It won't happened the last time. Tanks are now OP. So hat? That will change again. The same like Logis, the Massdriver and Flaylocks changed. If you want perfect balancing you're obviously playing the wrong game. Because that won't happen with a game that changes as often as Dust. You do realize that's the only example you've offered, over and over and over, right? Ok, some people "abused" CCPs failed attempt at Logistics. That doesn't suddenly justify everything else. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:48:00 - [179] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Wow. Now that's childish. So you just don't want to spend your SP because you would have a suit you don't want to use anymore? I really... I really don't know what to say about that. That also doesn't make any sense at all. The stuff you want is there. You can use it. Instead you cry for a respec. I... really.... the **** are you thinking? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:49:00 - [180] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:49:00 - [181] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question. do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then 12 months of core skills? im am just baffled at how you think that is fun or even possible without picking some sort of suit. And I ask again: Was it fun playing with the suit you used? If yes. Then there is no problem. If no, then I wonder why you did keep playing. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1652	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:50:00 - [182] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: so, you are encouraging people to leave this game? illustration1 if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them Only the vehicles have fundamentally changed. The skill and bonuses for infantry have changed little to none and they were all balance issues that needed to be done. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:51:00 - [183] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum? Stuff that doesn't make sense isn't making sense in any other language. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11021	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:51:00 - [184] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Wow. Now that's childish. So you just don't want to spend your SP because you would have a suit you don't want to use anymore? I really... I really don't know what to say about that. That also doesn't make any sense at all. The stuff you want is there. You can use it. Instead you cry for a respec. I... really.... the **** are you thinking? My face hurts from hitting it against this brick wall so much. I think my brain is bleeding. Let's just agree to disagree, I think that's the best we're going to come to here. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:52:00 - [185] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Wow. Now that's childish. So you just don't want to spend your SP because you would have a suit you don't want to use anymore? I really... I really don't know what to say about that. That also doesn't make any sense at all. The stuff you want is there. You can use it. Instead you cry for a respec. I... really.... the **** are you thinking? My face hurts from hitting it against this brick wall so much. I think my brain is bleeding. Let's just agree to disagree, I think that's the best we're going to come to here. I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1652	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 - [186] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? Yes it is right and yes it is fun. It is right because time spent in game should come with rewards It is fun because all games are just a repetitive grind to an end goal. People call it grind in a bad way because they want it all exactly when the want it. They don't like having to put forth effort and spend time playing a game to make the game better. They want a win button and they want to change it as soon as the next and better win button is released. It is laziness in its purest form. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1617	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 - [187] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum? Stuff that doesn't make sense isn't making sense in any other language. to the contrary many expressions that dnt make sense when translated make perfect sense in the original language. main point. You have commited youself to your ideas. they make sense to you. You have presented me no reasons to beleive a respec would be unjust. therefore, i have not changed my mind. since any further input or response would clear waste time. out of respect for both your time and mine, i will no longer respond. I agree to disagree. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 803	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 - [188] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: so, you are encouraging people to leave this game? illustration1 if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them Only the vehicles have fundamentally changed. The skill and bonuses for infantry have changed little to none and they were all balance issues that needed to be done. As I just said to Aikuchi, that's not true. I refer you to post # 175: Awry Barux wrote: No, the roles are not the same, and more roles than slayer were lost. I went Min Logi for a scouty/speed-hacker suit, designed to get in, plant uplinks, hack, and keep moving. I had zero reason to think that this suit would be made the designated heavy-follower. I refer you to post #11: Awry Barux wrote: Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec. The Min Logi bonus change (not the loss of armor reps, that's fine, I don't care about that) is a fundamental change in the suit's role, not a balance adjustment.
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 44	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:57:00 - [189] - Quote vote yes to respect 1.8 it would help old and new players it would be kinda dumb if you do not give us a infantry respect at the very least
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11021	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:57:00 - [190] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: [ I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1618	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:01:00 - [191] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? Yes it is right and yes it is fun. It is right because time spent in game should come with rewards It is fun because all games are just a repetitive grind to an end goal. People call it grind in a bad way because they want it all exactly when the want it. They don't like having to put forth effort and spend time playing a game to make the game better. They want a win button and they want to change it as soon as the next and better win button is released. It is laziness in its purest form. there is a difference between grind and challenge. people want a challenge. grind is repetative, and boring... like using militia suits for 12 months while being proto stomped. this = repetitive. regardless, I am going to use discernment here ot see the real reason you dnt want an infantry respec. You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. the problem with this is that regardless, there are people who will still specc into the next FoTM, actually you are promoting it. having an infantry respec will lead to more diversity in the game. more people will specc into varying fields, and we will find more weapons on the battle field. many people will spec out of RR, and CR and into other light weapons like LR, MD, ect. people will specc into the new side arms, new suits. all around the game will becoem more well rounded. hence, balanced. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 - [192] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: [ I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. Again, this is one of the few reasons that make a good case for a refund and only if they are ALL released at once. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 298	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 - [193] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 - [194] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: [ I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:05:00 - [195] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping. A nice way to hide from reality. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1618	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:09:00 - [196] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1618	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:10:00 - [197] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping. A nice way to hide from reality. i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game. also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1803	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:17:00 - [198] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping. A nice way to hide from reality. i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game. also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM No, your "theory" is a stupid way to hide from the reality that some people actually have believes and opinions different from yours. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean everybody else is having it too and just is scared because of something. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1803	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:18:00 - [199] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it. They did need because the skilltree was changed itself and skills removed. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:20:00 - [200] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice. I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time. People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order and that goes for people who spec into op gear because it is a win button. Fair is elementary children and old people, be a man and suck it up. Fair is boring and bland. This isn't the game for fair, this is a soap opera for men and a form of social media for egos. The sooner you learn that the sooner the game will be fun for you. I have never one time in almost two years of playing this game called it a grind, thought of it as a grind or anything similar to that. That is why I have fun, I don't see what I can't have and think "Oh man I have to grind out three and a half more games.", I see what I can't have and make a goal for myself and PLAY (not grind) till I get there. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11029	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:22:00 - [201] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: [ I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be. You can tell yourself it's new content all you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that CCP lacked the resources to follow their own universes lore and give us full racial representation at "release" Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument" Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 807	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:22:00 - [202] - Quote Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:26:00 - [203] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: [ I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be. You can tell yourself it's new content all you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that CCP lacked the resources to follow their own universes lore and give us full racial representation at "release" Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument" So what? It doesn't matter what could've been. It only matters what is. And it turned out the way that it is new content. Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument" Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11029	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:26:00 - [204] - Quote You're giving me diabetes Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:27:00 - [205] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:27:00 - [206] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. New Eden changes like baby diapers, don't expect to have the exact same tools even six from now. It is not justified just because you can't do what you want in a suit or feel that it is. Things change and so does this game, if you want static gears then this isn't the game for you. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:28:00 - [207] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're giving me diabetes You can continue living your dream world where you are entitled to everything if you want. But there's a difference between what you believe should have been and what really is. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:29:00 - [208] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're giving me diabetes Try this next time "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11029	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:33:00 - [209] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're giving me diabetes Try this next time Cancer was implied, have you read his posts? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:34:00 - [210] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're giving me diabetes Try this next time Cancer was implied, have you read his posts? The only thing you're doing now is trying to discriminate my answers with childish insults. Way to go. Hint: If something you say is so common I could just say the same thing about your opinion then it isn't valid to say. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 807	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:42:00 - [211] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Again, you're not responding my point. I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy? The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. New Eden changes like baby diapers, don't expect to have the exact same tools even six from now. It is not justified just because you can't do what you want in a suit or feel that it is. Things change and so does this game, if you want static gears then this isn't the game for you. It's not a matter of not having the same tools, it's a fundamental role shift for the suit. I picked a role and CCP is planning to rip that role out from under me with a bonus change. A hacking speed bonus and a repair tool bonus are completely different, and it has invalidated the choice I made months ago, before any of these changes were announced or hinted at. Forcing me to stick with a completely different dropsuit than the one I carefully selected is essentially wasting the weeks of SP I poured into said suit, or equivalently, making that amount of SP's worth of boosters disappear from my account. It's one thing to make balance changes, I would happily accept any rebalancing, like a removal of the intrinsic armor repair. It's something else to fundamentally change where the suit fits in the larger game flow- what was once a suit meant for speedy equipment use is now meant to stick behind a heavy with a repair tool. I couldn't care less what the name or race of my suit is, but I picked a specific role, and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that I should still be able to play that role in 1.8. CCP's failure to finalize roles is theirs to bear, not mine to suffer through.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 149	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:43:00 - [212] - Quote I agree with a refund, at the very minimum dropsuit command, but not limited to equipment and the like. Core skills maybe not so much as they benefit all suits though I can understand not maxing certain modules for certain playstyles. I would safe to be fair and safe full infantry minus weapons, as it doesn't take a long time to become proficient in a single weapon.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:46:00 - [213] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Again, you're not responding my point. I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy? So basically you agree that a respec isn't necessary. Because it doesn't matter if a respec happens or not: You can use the suit you want to use. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 299	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:48:00 - [214] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it. Yes they did need to refund the skillpoints because of the fact that they more or less deleted skills and rolled them into a different bunch. They are not deleting infantry skills, or obsoleting them, you are simply getting more dropsuits. I don't think you understand what the word mandatory means and are just ranting with inanities like "they should have taken 4-7m skillpoints away from tanks". This is no longer an intelligent debate it is merely you whining and insinuating that the rest of the player base should have been harmed over a perceived slight, you are refusing to concede any points that don't support your views and are deliberately avoiding answering things that would force you to make any concessions or admit that you might be in any way wrong or making deliberate fallacies.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 807	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:53:00 - [215] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Again, you're not responding my point. I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy? So basically you agree that a respec isn't necessary. Because it doesn't matter if a respec happens or not: You can use the suit you want to use. Uh, no, I most emphatically do not agree that it isn't necessary. I don't have maxed anything on my character, even within a single role, so to me, every point of SP is valuable. I can't just casually save SP and play at maximum efficiency like the veterans. A portion of the SP I spent working towards my current role will have to be outright chalked up as waste. I shouldn't have to take a hit to my character development due to CCP's fundamental suit changes. I spent real money to accelerate my development and that money is wasted if the skills I bought with that booster SP no longer apply to my role.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 149	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:56:00 - [216] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: D legendary hero wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Respecs in Dust are not necessary. ...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it. Yes they did need to refund the skillpoints because of the fact that they more or less deleted skills and rolled them into a different bunch. They are not deleting infantry skills, or obsoleting them, you are simply getting more dropsuits. I don't think you understand what the word mandatory means and are just ranting with inanities like "they should have taken 4-7m skillpoints away from tanks". This is no longer an intelligent debate it is merely you whining and insinuating that the rest of the player base should have been harmed over a perceived slight, you are refusing to concede any points that don't support your views and are deliberately avoiding answering things that would force you to make any concessions or admit that you might be in any way wrong or making deliberate fallacies. Pardon my intrusion, but the vehicle tree was reworked, changing vehicles intended roles and play in the field, and the refund was given to allow pilots to choose whether or not they agreed with said changes. They could have easily just refunded the unused so from deleted skills but they chose to allow pilots the choice of returning to the intended roles. I'm sure that most pilots are back in the cockpit, but they had the option to change, it would only be fair to give infantry the same option while denying pilots the ability to choose into these skills except for saving so. They are fundamentally changing the logistics effectiveness, and changing the way assaults push the field. Aside from New choices for those of us who didn't have the option in the intro to choose what we want.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 149	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:02:00 - [217] - Quote Also with vehicles some things are open, if I skill into HAV, which I have 12 mil into, and they release racial parity tanks...I automatically have access to them with the way skills are now, same with LAV. I don't have to invest more unless they either change the trees again, or release enforcer/prototype tanks.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:04:00 - [218] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Again, you're not responding my point. I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy? So basically you agree that a respec isn't necessary. Because it doesn't matter if a respec happens or not: You can use the suit you want to use. Uh, no, I most emphatically do not agree that it isn't necessary. I don't have maxed anything on my character, even within a single role, so to me, every point of SP is valuable. I can't just casually save SP and play at maximum efficiency like the veterans. A portion of the SP I spent working towards my current role will have to be outright chalked up as waste. I shouldn't have to take a hit to my character development due to CCP's fundamental suit changes. I spent real money to accelerate my development and that money is wasted if the skills I bought with that booster SP no longer apply to my role. But here's the point: You respec now but sooner or later you get to the point where you could spec into another suit anyways. So it doesn't really matter. So you could also just wait a little longer to spec into the stuff you need now and instead you have the possibility to use a second suit. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 496	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:08:00 - [219] - Quote I think a respec should happen for suits. Having suits for all races alone would be enough to warrant one for say a heavy that never wanted to be Amarr, but also the bonuses are definitely changing. I don't think core should be respec. Skills affect all suits and even if you want to switch up your playstyle, you invested points that you then used so I say that's an investment worth keeping in the past. Sure, I'm not longer going to have my hacking bonus but I used it for what it was worth for several patches now. I don't feel cheated to not have that back. Weapons I was on the fence about. Now I strongly sit on no weapon respec. Yes, my proto MD hasn't been touched in the last 2 patches. Yes, my proto swarmer is a useless brick but you have to expect with the new changes AND the nerfs/buffs they are still playing with balance and none of them were in their final iterations. You can ***** and moan about the suit bonuses but of all the SP sinks, weapons aren't one of them and most everyone took their past refunds and put it into the FOTM weapon. Just look at the kill feed. Nothing but RR and CR with a splatter of AR. I don't want to hear about your hard earned SP argument for a weapon refund for your 'bonuses that are changing with the new suits' as I have a total of 5mil sp in ALL weapons on my 15+ mil sp char. I've heard so many people talk down to newbies to just buck down and get up to 1 mil in a month by capping out. If you can dish that out, you can do the same. Future weapons/eq will probably always be in the works. We always will want for more content and we're always going to skill into something we either end up hating or suddenly love the crap out of until the next love comes along. Refunding this section constantly is only hurting the playerbase more and more. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 808	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:11:00 - [220] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: But here's the point: You respec now but sooner or later you get to the point where you could spec into another suit anyways. So it doesn't really matter. So you could also just wait a little longer to spec into the stuff you need now and instead you have the possibility to use a second suit. It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:20:00 - [221] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified. Again, you're not responding my point. I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy? The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. New Eden changes like baby diapers, don't expect to have the exact same tools even six from now. It is not justified just because you can't do what you want in a suit or feel that it is. Things change and so does this game, if you want static gears then this isn't the game for you. It's not a matter of not having the same tools, it's a fundamental role shift for the suit. I picked a role and CCP is planning to rip that role out from under me with a bonus change. A hacking speed bonus and a repair tool bonus are completely different, and it has invalidated the choice I made months ago, before any of these changes were announced or hinted at. Forcing me to stick with a completely different dropsuit than the one I carefully selected is essentially wasting the weeks of SP I poured into said suit, or equivalently, making that amount of SP's worth of boosters disappear from my account. It's one thing to make balance changes, I would happily accept any rebalancing, like a removal of the intrinsic armor repair. It's something else to fundamentally change where the suit fits in the larger game flow- what was once a suit meant for speedy equipment use is now meant to stick behind a heavy with a repair tool. I couldn't care less what the name or race of my suit is, but I picked a specific role, and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that I should still be able to play that role in 1.8. CCP's failure to finalize roles is theirs to bear, not mine to suffer through. I agree that they change things and that those changes sometimes go against what your vision of how the suit is/was. You are correct that you that is sucks we do have to suffer through it. My point is that is should be expected, we cannot plan how CCP is going to change the game but the point still stands that there has been and there probably still is time to save SP. I don't agree with refunds but for this one patch/update/release in which all suits are being reworked and the rest of the suits are being added then I will support it but for one suit or small section that is rebalanced or the bonus is changed then I don't agree. We agree for the most part on what needs to be done. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
silvergap Shen Die Valkyrja Renegade Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:21:00 - [222] - Quote i agree to respec the dropsuit SP . most of dropsuits are not usrfuln+îespecially assault dropsuitn+êstill in 1.8 discussionn+ë. s+ósà¦S¦ïµPün+îFç¦S¦Äµùás+ópÇé
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:27:00 - [223] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: But here's the point: You respec now but sooner or later you get to the point where you could spec into another suit anyways. So it doesn't really matter. So you could also just wait a little longer to spec into the stuff you need now and instead you have the possibility to use a second suit. It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game. The booster part of the equation is where CCP stepped in it. You are correct and I empathize with you and if it weren't for that then I would take a more firm stance but you did pay money "to get there faster" like the War Barge lady says and therefore I am more apt to side with you. However, it is only for a total change like we think is going to happen, in any other situation I would tell you to suck it up. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 811	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:38:00 - [224] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: But here's the point: You respec now but sooner or later you get to the point where you could spec into another suit anyways. So it doesn't really matter. So you could also just wait a little longer to spec into the stuff you need now and instead you have the possibility to use a second suit. It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game. The booster part of the equation is where CCP stepped in it. You are correct and I empathize with you and if it weren't for that then I would take a more firm stance but you did pay money "to get there faster" like the War Barge lady says and therefore I am more apt to side with you. However, it is only for a total change like we think is going to happen, in any other situation I would tell you to suck it up. nod and I'd be fine with sucking it up if it was something other than a complete overhaul of dropsuit roles. I think we've reached an agreement. I think I've made my points sufficiently well, all there is to do now is play and save SP and see what CCP's next move is.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:11:00 - [225] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11046	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:16:00 - [226] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 498	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:29:00 - [227] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess. Waiting for Destiny so hard. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:30:00 - [228] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. Bro, ESO is a given! I'm with ya! add me on psn, I'll accept when I get on in the morning.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 818	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:33:00 - [229] - Quote lee corwood wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess. Waiting for Destiny so hard. I'm confused- why would a respec make you leave? IMO it's the best possible thing CCP can do to mitigate the pain of the Dust's constant state of flux.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11050	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:33:00 - [230] - Quote lee corwood wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess. Waiting for Destiny so hard. Well, congrats on being the first person I've seen who would stop playing with a Respec. It's good to be unique. I barely even play since 1.7, this game is just a total mess right now lol. Honestly I'm kind of with the anti respec crowd, I need the extra motivation to set this game down for a good long while. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:34:00 - [231] - Quote lee corwood wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess. Waiting for Destiny so hard. You're on ps4? Add me.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1063	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:38:00 - [232] - Quote I also want to destroy DUST 514, so go ahead with the respec.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 498	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:40:00 - [233] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I'm confused- why would a respec make you leave? IMO it's the best possible thing CCP can do to mitigate the pain of the Dust's constant state of flux. The call for a discussion for a respec, whether warranted or not, by CCP only puts in my mind how out of sync the game is to where they expect it to be. Since I started playing this game, I've lived through I -believe- 2 respecs. This would be the 3rd though it feels like more than that. (The full respec from beta, the vehicle one, and I feel like there was one more in the middle but I could be wrong) Either way, at this point, I don't feel like CCP has their sht together at all and with all their black box of 'our hands are tied and we just can't tell you the direction we think* we're going', I think only gives them further liberty to not have to admit that their roadmap is no where in the works. I feel like its a game of guessing instead of actual calculated progression into a real vision of something. I'd rather get the respec and sit on it then spend the sp to yet again have it given back to me for another glaring overhaul. I'll just wait a few years and see if anything meaningful between dust and eve exists yet. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11052	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:41:00 - [234] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I also want to destroy DUST 514, so go ahead with the respec. Respecs don't destroy DUST Broken game modes and perma locked ISK fountains destroy DUST Get with the times bro Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 6	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:43:00 - [235] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I'm confused- why would a respec make you leave? IMO it's the best possible thing CCP can do to mitigate the pain of the Dust's constant state of flux. The call for a discussion for a respec, whether warranted or not, by CCP only puts in my mind how out of sync the game is to where they expect it to be. Since I started playing this game, I've lived through I -believe- 2 respecs. This would be the 3rd though it feels like more than that. (The full respec from beta, the vehicle one, and I feel like there was one more in the middle but I could be wrong) Either way, at this point, I don't feel like CCP has their sht together at all and with all their black box of 'our hands are tied and we just can't tell you the direction we think* we're going', I think only gives them further liberty to not have to admit that their roadmap is no where in the works. I feel like its a game of guessing instead of actual calculated progression into a real vision of something. I'd rather get the respec and sit on it then spend the sp to yet again have it given back to me for another glaring overhaul. I'll just wait a few years and see if anything meaningful between dust and eve exists yet. Ya know, I'm ok with them not having a road map. EVE was the same way, in some ways still is, but it's a good game now. It doesn't bother me when they unexpectedly change directions. It bothers me when they do and I don't have the chance to change my heading.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 502	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:52:00 - [236] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Ya know, I'm ok with them not having a road map. EVE was the same way, in some ways still is, but it's a good game now. It doesn't bother me when they unexpectedly change directions. It bothers me when they do and I don't have the chance to change my heading. I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1655	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:05:00 - [237] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. It is a trap by design, much like the lottery. I have enjoyed the money I have spent on DUST. If nothing else this crazy ass forum is worth the money spent. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 816	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:07:00 - [238] - Quote I waste a lot of time trying to see where CCP is coming from. The only thing I come up with is they have no clue. They blindly stumble thru the development of this game. They get taken advantage of by clients who know how to manipulate them. I lose my temper almost everytime I hear any of their plans for the future. I made some awesome friends in New Eden, the real reason I still play. When they get screwed and leave I couldn't think of a reason to stay. Its just a matter of time. I have stopped spending money. I feel no attatchment to my assets or isk. They really dropped the ball. Who wants some?
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 7	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:09:00 - [239] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4. I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more. I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design. It is a trap by design, much like the lottery. I have enjoyed the money I have spent on DUST. If nothing else this crazy ass forum is worth the money spent. And to be fair, THAT, above all other reasons, is why I keep playing Dust: the community. There are some real D-Bags that play Dust. Some of them I call friend (cough} Devin Xer). But, for whatever reason, (musical notes) They Keep Me Hanging On.
Gawen Eadan Altyr Initiative 30	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:27:00 - [240] - Quote My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base. No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario. Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method. So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended.

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 825	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:30:00 - [241] - Quote Gawen Eadan wrote: My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base. No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario. Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method. So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended. Actually, I don't think I was here when the CPM was elected (I started playing last June). No lack of respecialization without representation!
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 7	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:47:00 - [242] - Quote Gawen Eadan wrote: My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base. No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario. Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method. So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended. H1t73r was also democratically elected. Just sayin'.... Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1268	Posted - 2014.02.18 07:10:00 - [243] - Quote If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Drop it like its hat.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3444	Posted - 2014.02.18 07:49:00 - [244] - Quote I've been against respecs previously, but I figure if you're changing, slots, stats, and bonuses on suits... it seems like you've basically completely altered any of the basis people maybe have had for choosing suits originally. Weapon and module choice follows from dropsuits, so I'd say respec-ing those trees is all warranted. Everything that isn't a vehicle tree, really. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1285	Posted - 2014.02.18 07:50:00 - [245] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists. Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system. NO. You do not represent the entire human race. Over five million chose in a few months to buy a PS4. And in June I will join them. Why? The BEST versions of the multiplat games are PS4. And then theres PS4 EXCLUSIVES. Versus. Oh,hey theres Dust on this here PS3. Ummm yeah. Waiting for June. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:24:00 - [246] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists. Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system. NO. You do not represent the entire human race. Over five million chose in a few months to buy a PS4. And in June I will join them. Why? The BEST versions of the multiplat games are PS4. And then theres PS4 EXCLUSIVES. Versus. Oh,hey theres Dust on this here PS3. Ummm yeah. Waiting for June. Uhh.... did sony make a new rule that says you can't own a PS3 and a PS4 at the same time or something? Watch your back because I might be there.
Soulskulptor GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 12:59:00 - [247] - Quote They could add a respec item to the marketplace. make one for each skill tree infact. We stopped looking for monsters under our beds when we realized they were inside us.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1286	Posted - 2014.02.18 13:26:00 - [248] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Um guys. I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread. I am safe. Checks on Deathstar construction. Yep, delivery by June. Hey CCP :Sorry about getting ready to kill your ships with my PS4 Deathstar. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1286	Posted - 2014.02.18 13:32:00 - [249] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists. Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system. NO. You do not represent the entire human race. Over five million chose in a few months to buy a PS4. And in June I will join them. Why? The BEST versions of the multiplat games are PS4. And then theres PS4 EXCLUSIVES. Versus. Oh,hey theres Dust on this here PS3. Ummm yeah. Waiting for June. Uhh.... did sony make a new rule that says you can't own a PS3 and a PS4 at the same time or something? No. However. Theres this rule about how many hours are you going to spend playing Old and Busted PS3 games versus The New Hottness PS4 games. I once had a VW Beetle that I drove every day. Then I had a Porsche and I then drove that every day. Then the poor Beetle sat in the garage until it was sold. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 150	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:09:00 - [250] - Quote I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD ). But otherwise. RESPEC is NEEDED i didnt see argument what is properly good call against WHOLE RESPEC idea. CCP already did many MANY wierd or maybe crtitical CHOISES/CHANGES and WE like community just cant be pushed through THEIR failures and misstakes. I-¦ll not be only one who REMEMBER their stepbacks and whole that nerfing/patching/implementation stuff. BASICLY there should..NO WAIT..there must be a RESPEC. How MANY told before, it will not concern the VETS, because they already have their PLAN done an jus waiting for new implements. But it will HELLPS to player, that players, players who are the PART of community aswell. Who was PUSHED to make a choices just basicaly for SURVIVAL or choices what was think like push them NEAR to their ROLES. No with new implements and changes, THESE players should have that CHANCE, these player should have that possibility to TAKE points and with all new implement BE what they WANT TO BE on battlefield. Many of them higlighted heavies or scout (pilots still pending like many other implements) where they were pushed to MAKE a choise what wasnt in their HEARTH but it was necceasity for THEIR gameplay and their feel be THAT role. Its easy, just give them a RESPEC CCP. You will SHOW player, whats mean your COMMUNITY, a RESPECT and your needs to have them HERE. If not it WILL be just another one SETBACK in CCPs already BIG sea of setbacks, wrong decisions and FAILURE. SHOW the community..the PLAYERS your respect and just give them a RESPEC. Implements/Patches/Your decissions/Failures were not their, there were YOURS CCP. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2230	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:30:00 - [251] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 150	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:39:00 - [252] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 And respect +1 Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1279	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:19:00 - [253] - Quote Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch. Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;) Drop it like its hat.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 769	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:46:00 - [254] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch. Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;) So first you're for respecs, then you're against it. First you state it's simply good will, that the should do it to keep as much of this dwindling playerbase as possible, then you stare that they shouldn't because it's better for their pockets? I seem to have the other idea. If you keep shitting on your customers, demanding that they put up with what your changes to their decisions are, nobody with a budget would spend money to 'accelerate' their learning, because CCP will just curb stomp your decisions again and again. Less boosters, less money. However if people actually have a feeling of customer worth, that when sweeping changes come by they'll be given fair treatment, they'll spend more BOOSTERS to optimize the setups they ACTUALLY want to run,not the nostalgic 'ahh, this thing used to have bonuses to hacking/profile dampeneing/armor repair/taco efficacy, now it's a reload bonus for nova knives.' No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Your choice CCP.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 833	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:50:00 - [255] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch. Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;) So first you're for respecs, then you're against it. First you state it's simply good will, that the should do it to keep as much of this dwindling playerbase as possible, then you stare that they shouldn't because it's better for their pockets? I seem to have the other idea. If you keep shitting on your customers, demanding that they put up with what your changes to their decisions are, nobody with a budget would spend money to 'accelerate' their learning, because CCP will just curb stomp your decisions again and again. Less boosters, less money. However if people actually have a feeling of customer worth, that when sweeping changes come by they'll be given fair treatment, they'll spend more BOOSTERS to optimize the setups they ACTUALLY want to run,not the nostalgic 'ahh, this thing used to have bonuses to hacking/profile dampeneing/armor repair/taco efficacy, now it's a reload bonus for nova knives.' I think you've misinterpreted Spectral's post- I think he's saying exactly what you're saying, and what I said earlier this thread. If the skills I bought with Boosted SP no longer apply to my desired role, it is as though the booster and the money I spent on it has been wasted, and what's more, has been deliberately made a waste through CCP's refusal to allow respecialization.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:52:00 - [256] - Quote CCP said, NO MOR RESPECS! Can u read? JUST SAY NO to respecs/refunds. im happy with my choices. fk the new garbage man suits. Im OP. Nerf me. Ako heavy, packing Proto SCR :)
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 833	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:56:00 - [257] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: CCP said, NO MOR RESPECS! Can u read? JUST SAY NO to respecs/refunds. im happy with my choices. fk the new garbage man suits. Im OP. Nerf me. Ako heavy, packing Proto SCR :) I'm happy with my current choices. In 1.8, the effects of my current choices are changing drastically. Read. The. Thread. You're going to have to do better than "just say no" to convince me that we don't deserve a respec. Read the thread and actually respond to the many, many arguments in favor of a respec. The very existence of this designated thread for the discussion of respecs demonstrates that CCP has not made a hard-and-fast decision about whether or not to give one. In fact, it says so in LogiBro's OP. "Can u read?"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1280	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:00:00 - [258] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch. Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;) So first you're for respecs, then you're against it. First you state it's simply good will, that the should do it to keep as much of this dwindling playerbase as possible, then you stare that they shouldn't because it's better for their pockets? I seem to have the other idea. If you keep shitting on your customers, demanding that they put up with what your changes to their decisions are, nobody with a budget would spend money to 'accelerate' their learning, because CCP will just curb stomp your decisions again and again. Less boosters, less money. However if people actually have a feeling of customer worth, that when sweeping changes come by they'll be given fair treatment, they'll spend more BOOSTERS to optimize the setups they ACTUALLY want to run,not the nostalgic 'ahh, this thing used to have bonuses to hacking/profile dampeneing/armor repair/taco efficacy, now it's a reload bonus for nova knives.' I think you've misinterpreted Spectral's post- I think he's saying exactly what you're saying, and what I said earlier this thread. If the skills I bought with Boosted SP no longer apply to my desired role, it is as though the booster and the money I spent on it has been wasted, and what's more, has been deliberately made a waste through CCP's refusal to allow respecialization. Yup. LOL! Reload bonus to nova knives. Sounds like the caldari assaults next suit bonus! Drop it like its hat.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11071	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:23:00 - [259] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD I'm just gonna go ahead and take that as a compliment Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 836	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:02:00 - [260] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists. Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system. NO. You do not represent the entire human race. Over five million chose in a few months to buy a PS4. And in June I will join them. Why? The BEST versions of the multiplat games are PS4. And then theres PS4 EXCLUSIVES. Versus. Oh,hey theres Dust on this here PS3. Ummm yeah. Waiting for June. Uhh.... did sony make a new rule that says you can't own a PS3 and a PS4 at the same time or something? no but Rock30 will cut you a fat deal if you exchange your old systems. Who wants some?

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:08:00 - [261] - Quote Full infantry respec should happen once the next content milestone is reached. I'd wager that it would be 2.0. Basically: - All racial suits (Which we already have in 1.8, except for pilots) - All racial weapons (We already have assault rifles and probably all SMG/pistol types, but there's still a lack of launchers, melee weapons, Caldari and Minmatar specialty weapon (I'd guess that laser rifle and shotgun are a specialty weapon category), as well as AV (Is the swarmer a type of launcher? Is there even an AV category?) and heavy weapons) The actual balance doesn't matter, though, because FTOM abusers are taking a risk by abusing balance issues. And I say that as someone with a "play to win" mentality. The only exception for that is changes in functionality, like the thing with hacking bonuses on Minmatar suits. In addition, another respec would be needed for the following scenario: - All variants of all vehicles - Which means racial parity, as well as re-introduction of logis and the like, but doesn't include MAVs and similar stuff - Full racial parity of vehicle weapons
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 16	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:16:00 - [262] - Quote I've only just realised what a respec would actually mean - and I've got to tell you... I WANT IT!! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11084	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:36:00 - [263] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: I've only just realised what a respec would actually mean - and I've got to tell you... I WANT IT!! You and the vast majority of this games very small player base Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 384	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:32:00 - [264] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. this is not about FotM, it is about people being able to spec into the what they wanted to from the start. plus with all the bonus changes to suits it is needed. Sure some people will spec into FotM (some alwys do) but for a lot 1.8 is a massive change which which will mean that players can finally skill into what they want CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 100	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:37:00 - [265] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: ContraBanJoe wrote: NO MOAR FULL RESPECS It only serves to help the veterans. If something drastic changes to the skills and they are removed, or if vehicles/equipment/weapons/suits are removed, I would support respecs for specific skills, but NEVER again a full respec. ...................__ ............./-¦-»/'...'/-¦-»-»`-+-+ ........../'/.../..../......./-¿-»\ ........('(...-¦...-¦.... -»~/'...') .........\....FWALL...'../ ..........''...\.......... _.-+-¦ ............\..............( How does it help the vet who's already saved a ton of SP to skill instantly into the new FOTM, or anything for that matter? How does forcing newer players to keep incomplete builds that are now completely wrong help them? I'm simply saying that if there is going to be any sort of a respect, it must be geared towards ONLY the affected items. And I think some of the wiser vets out there that have posted in this thread know where the other vets come from when they demand respecs beyond what they deserve. dumbass, this has nothing about what who deserves. The fact is, for me, i'm not gonna spend 2 months specing into a suit when i can get a respec and use my skill points for another purpose. Its a complete waste of time. This game is time consuming enough, no need to overdue it. I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1631	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:47:00 - [266] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice. I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time. you are wrong. I beleive in Justice and I hold people to their promises. If you break a promise you are a liar. period. I dnt give a ** who you are, or what you beleive. Right is right and wrong is wrong, period. it doesn't matter what the hell you "feel". Every thing is being changed. CCP needs to keep their promises. Thats it. Quote: People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order People who like unbalanced games are pussies of the highest order. Your the type of person who would a women because you "can", or pick a fight with a 7 year old becuase you have "advantage" forget about right or wrong. That is cowardice. You are scared of a fair fight and want as much advanage as possible. That is *. period. ** you and your beliefs. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1632	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:49:00 - [267] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping. A nice way to hide from reality. i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game. also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM No, your "theory" is a stupid way to hide from the reality that some people actually have believes and opinions different from yours. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean everybody else is having it too and just is scared because of something. this is something YOU are failing to understand. Our opinions are different. I will not change what I think because of how you "feel" because what i am saying is based on fact. period. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1632	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:50:00 - [268] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. ^^this. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1632	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:52:00 - [269] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're giving me diabetes Try this next time Cancer was implied, have you read his posts? The only thing you're doing now is trying to discriminate my answers with childish insults. Way to go. Hint: If something you say is so common I could just say the same thing about your opinion then it isn't valid to say. that is pretty much the basis of your entire argument. lol pretty much everything your saying and said is exactly that...lol Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:54:00 - [270] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy. That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice. I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time. you are wrong. I beleive in Justice and I hold people to their promises. If you break a promise you are a liar. period. I dnt give a ** who you are, or what you beleive. Right is right and wrong is wrong, period. it doesn't matter what the hell you "feel". Every thing is being changed. CCP needs to keep their promises. Thats it. Quote: People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order People who like unbalanced games are pussies of the highest order. Your the type of person who would a women because you "can", or pick a fight with a 7 year old becuase you have "advantage" forget about right or wrong. That is cowardice. You are scared of a fair fight and want as much advanage as possible. That is *. period. ** you and your beliefs. Fair is for old people and children. If you want it fair then you want it easy. I don't like easy games because they are boring. Yeah I want an advantage. I am one of the worst players on this stupid game, I have a 0.65 KDR and 16m SP. Trust me, the only advantage I have in this game is that I have been here for a while. I don't use proto suits, I have two proto weapons that I don't use and to be honest the only prototype anything I use is a rep tool and light damage mods. Saying I have an advantage over anyone is about as untrue as it gets. Good job. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Ninja Troll R 0 N 1 N 25	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:01:00 - [271] - Quote Dear CCP, Please give us a SP respec. http://imgur.com/lXuMQmG If not, please consider a "level down" or "refund" feature for skills. You could charge AUR or a lot of ISK per level. I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies.
voidfaction Void of Faction 163	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [272] - Quote Full Respec I want my 3rd respec to fine tune my gallente scout for the 3rd time. I already have lvl 5 gallente scout dropsuit armour dropsuit shield precision dampening range electronics assault rifle rail rifle sniper rifle shotgun smg light weapon sidearm weapon weapon upgrades a full respec will allow me to reskill all back to lvl 5 and give me enough SP from my useless skills I have at 1,2,3 and 4 to get lvl 5 in caldari or minmatar scout and lvl 5 cloak.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 845	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [273] - Quote D legendary hero, leave it alone man. The Robot Devil came down on our side for this one instance after a lengthy discussion, let's not pick fights when we all want the same thing from CCP in 1.8. Aikuchi stopped posting, he gave up because he got out-debated, don't provoke him again. We as a player base must be unified if we're going to get CCP to do right thing here.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [274] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off high horse long enough to talk to the common folk "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Xyl5 Raging Pack of Homosapiens 19	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:03:00 - [275] - Quote Respec would be nice.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1633	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:06:00 - [276] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1633	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:17:00 - [277] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: D legendary hero, leave it alone man. The Robot Devil came down on our side for this one instance after a lengthy discussion, let's not pick fights when we all want the same thing from CCP in 1.8. Aikuchi stopped posting, he gave up because he got out-debated, don't provoke him again. We as a player base must be unified if we're going to get CCP to do right thing here. indeed. Its time for justice and unity to reign supreme. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:27:00 - [278] - Quote I understand that a lot of you are hurt by this game and I am sorry that you are so emotionally involved that you rage on the forums. Refunded SP goes against lore and the premise of the game. Refunding SP will not in any way make the game better. Only content will, without things to do and stuff to use then this will keep coming up over and over. I understand that we all think that things will change, so what? Yes, it may make your desired fit not work the way you want or you may have to change your play style. It is called life and life has never been fair and never will be fair. I do think a refund is needed because they are releasing suits that should have been here almost a year ago but I also don't think it is deserved. There are a lot of things that tiericide changed for me in EVE and CCP didn't even blink an eye in the direction of refunding SP. They added a destroyer that I wanted after I skilled into a battlecruiser, no refund. I spent $15 a month on EVE for a year and half plus a couple of plex and they didn't care that I wasted my time on something I didn't want but had to use because there wasn't anything else. I don't care how much time or money anyone has spent in/on this game because it doesn't make you any more important than me. What are all of you repsecers going to say in six months to a year when more gear is release? Are you going to ask for a refund every time? You all have been doing it since the release of the game so why would you stop with 1.8? Seems to be you want a win button. If I were CCP I would tell all of you to get lost because there will be no refunds. Here is my official stance: If they remove a skill then you should get your SP back if not then suck it up. I paid for boosters, I bought merc packs, I spent my time in the Beta giving feedback and testing the game. I have precious little time to play the game that I enjoy. So yeah, HTFU because it is a game and it isn't that big of a deal. If you didn't know these types of changes were going to happen then you didn't read one thing about how CCP works. No repecs, refunds or any other thing that allows win button chasers to have their way. There is and has been plenty of time to save SP, grow up and act like a man. I really do hope that CCP doesn't give a refund on our SP just so I can sit back and laugh at all the tears that will be dropped. I love this community but it is full of whiners and people who don't care about the game, they only care about themselves and their game. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 770	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:38:00 - [279] - Quote To the people saying 'respec will further the FoTM crowd' WHAT IS THE FOTM??? Cal heavy with scr? Nah, throw a flux and a MD round or 2. Gal heavy with RR? Nah, just throw an HMG/Cr user his way. Please. Tell me what this Fotm will be, and i will stand aside and lick your fleshy parts for beating DUST. (A FoTm is a fitting/racial class that CANNOT be beaten, think back to the yellow power ranger.) No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Your choice CCP.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:38:00 - [280] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech. Don't use college examples because they are just as bad as CCP. [A]mong the 2,134 workers surveyed, 47 percent of college graduates did not find a first job that was related to their college major. What's more, 32 percent of college grads said that they had never worked in a field related to their majors. Source [I] would have welcomed such a degree. My undergraduate alma mater, Northwestern University, would not allow me to transfer from their School of Speech (now School of Communication) into their renowned Medill School of Journalism, despite my then near-perfect GPA. Source Should I go on? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 490	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:47:00 - [281] - Quote Dear CCP, This thread is one of the best thing to happen to the forums, thank you. Thank you for containing the begging and whining into a manageable area!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1961	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:53:00 - [282] - Quote Refund every skill except corp and vehicle/turret skills because changes to drop suit role bonuses affects every module, equipment, and weapon. I specced armor and shield regs BC I had a Caldari logi. Now I don't have a passive rep or reg bonus. I should've used it on something else that the callogi will increase the efficacy of. I bought a Ferrari and it is now a Ranger. I did not buy a Ferrari and break the transmission. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:54:00 - [283] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. Oh yeah, name one thing every that doesn't have money involved. Everything every person does has money involved be it actual money spent or in the form of time. I charge at least $25/hr and $100 just to show up, by that reasoning CCP owes me a paycheck for playing in the beta and working for them to test the game. People pay money for games, I bought Skyrim for my ps3 and it was so borked up I couldn't even play it for more than an hour or two. I deserve a new game or money, GTA5 was junk and I played it for a few hours, I deserve compensation. Just because money was spent doesn't mean that you get what you wanted or what you thought you were getting because things change. If people had looked into how CCP works then they would have know what to expect. Ignorance is expensive and time consuming. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 110	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:54:00 - [284] - Quote I request that once CCP decides whether to give or not give respecs, could we also get confirmation for future respecs so that this whole bloody argument can be avoided in the future? IE: "You are, or are not getting respecs now, but whine about it later down the line and we'll give them again/don't whine about it it in the future cuz you're not getting any more" Something like that would solve the future respec whining issue. And for those of you who don't remember, two weeks after the May 14th going live respec of dust 514 (ie: the respec all players were given once dust stopped being beta and went live) people were already clammering for another respec since they effed up their skills. It has happend in the past, and if not resolved NOW, WILL happen in the future.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:55:00 - [285] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I request that once CCP decides whether to give or not give respecs, could we also get confirmation for future respecs so that this whole bloody argument can be avoided in the future? IE: "You are, or are not getting respecs now, but whine about it later down the line and we'll give them again/don't whine about it it in the future cuz you're not getting any more" Something like that would solve the future respec whining issue. And for those of you who don't remember, two weeks after the May 14th going live respec of dust 514 (ie: the respec all players were given once dust stopped being beta and went live) people were already clammering for another respec since they effed up their skills. It has happend in the past, and if not resolved now, WILL happen in the future. yup "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2729	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:05:00 - [286] - Quote refund everything except Flaylock skills. everyone knew it was FoTM and specced anyway.. make them live with it Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:09:00 - [287] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: refund everything except Flaylock skills. everyone knew it was FoTM and specced anyway.. make them live with it I just skilled into Flaylocks the other day. They are kind of fun but hard to use. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Chief Pacabowl Stoned Avengers Rim Worlds Protectorate 14	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:28:00 - [288] - Quote This thread is hilarious. Got to skip my episode of and idiot abroad because of it. Made me so happy. Tons of laughs. Remember happiness is like cake.... Commander in Chiefing of the Stoned Avengers. Murica -_- F*ck yeah no longer....
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1285	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:29:00 - [289] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. Okay, you are not one of the chest thumping HTFU teenagers on this forum. Grats to you sir! If you have a professional career you would be for a respec... whats wrong with you? You like wasting cash on a "concept" or "might be"? Drop it like its hat.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:35:00 - [290] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. Okay, you are not one of the chest thumping HTFU teenagers on this forum. Grats to you sir! If you have a professional career you would be for a respec... whats wrong with you? You like wasting cash on a "concept" or "might be"? I don't consider it a waste. I have had fun with the cash I spent. No different than going to a movie. Popcorn and drinks go in one thing and come out another, things change. I am no more concerned about what I spent on this game than I am about what I spent on Uncharted 3. That game was not as good as U2 and the multiplayer sucked on U3, I even bought the map packs -which were a waste- and I still don't really care because money is supposed to be spent on things you like or think you will like. They all can't be perfectly suited to my needs or wants. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:50:00 - [291] - Quote Only Heavy/Light Dropsuits and Sidearms, nothing else. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:52:00 - [292] - Quote Galthur wrote: Only Heavy/Light Dropsuits and Sidearms, nothing else. I would vote for all dropsuit SP to be refunded only if ALL racial suits are going to be released. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:11:00 - [293] - Quote Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 849	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:14:00 - [294] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:17:00 - [295] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. I just broke 16M and it isn't that bad. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 850	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:19:00 - [296] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. I just broke 16M and it isn't that bad. True, it's really not bad once you're above 10 mil, but my point stands.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 154	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:33:00 - [297] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD I'm just gonna go ahead and take that as a compliment You take it right, it was a compliment. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3068	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:09:00 - [298] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Refund every skill except corp and vehicle/turret skills because changes to drop suit role bonuses affects every module, equipment, and weapon. I specced armor and shield regs BC I had a Caldari logi. Now I don't have a passive rep or reg bonus. I should've used it on something else that the callogi will increase the efficacy of. I bought a Ferrari and it is now a Ranger. I did not buy a Ferrari and break the transmission. I imagine you going into your garage, seeing a Ranger and being all "WTF. CCP what the hell have you done to my Ride!" Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 764	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:24:00 - [299] - Quote Reapec, please. I specced into AR's because there was no Caldari variant, same as Mini Scout. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 27	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:33:00 - [300] - Quote The only people who do not want a respec are the ones with enough SP in reserve to go proto in the new suits and weapons, which represents about 3% of the entire community. There are many who have thought out their choices in suits and weapons just to have them change or become obsolete. With the new bonuses and changes to equipment, changes to everything really, there needs to be a full respec of , well, everything. Again the only people who do not want a respec are those with massive amounts of SP. I do not see any players returning if they are skilled into a suit and weapon and equipment that does not mesh well together. After reading the majority of the forum posts, had I not already been playing, I would not want to come and play this game. I already am playing less and less on all my accounts due to nothing being delivered and this SoonTM becoming a serious offence to me.

Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 435	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:42:00 - [301] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: refund everything except Flaylock skills. everyone knew it was FoTM and specced anyway.. make them live with it I just skilled into Flaylocks the other day. They are kind of fun but hard to use. I don't regret my Flaylock skills at all. They're a standard sidearm to all of my Assault suits and at worst I use them for crowd control. Reds run when they see anything coming towards them That being said, while I support a respec I wouldn't cry without it. I skilled into my tree because of what I wanted and I don't regret those decisions. The only major gripe I would have is the new racial suit bonuses, but its not going to stop me from keeping a wardrobe of Galentte suits. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1291	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:46:00 - [302] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. No. I paid for a service that was changed from the results I paid for. The proper thing to do is either refund the actual money or refund the service to be used for the RESULTS it was purchased for. Thats why its either refund the money or refund the SP. And since the money has been SPENT by CCP. That leaves: REFUND THE SP. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1965	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:48:00 - [303] - Quote Hi, I'm a vet. I have 28 mil SP. I have proto CALLOGI/ASSAULT, tanks shields/rails, equipment, MD, CR, and RR. I can save SP for months and not be affected. I newb saving is losing a lot more than I do BC I already have more gear than I use in a day. No respec hurts the new players, not vets, and respects always bring back old players. There is no way, from a business standpoint, that respects can be a bad thing. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 158	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:15:00 - [304] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Hi, I'm a vet. I have 28 mil SP. I have proto CALLOGI/ASSAULT, tanks shields/rails, equipment, MD, CR, and RR. I can save SP for months and not be affected. I newb saving is losing a lot more than I do BC I already have more gear than I use in a day. No respec hurts the new players, not vets, and respects always bring back old players. There is no way, from a business standpoint, that respects can be a bad thing. First of all its RESPEC, in old MAG game it was from re-specialization, what was realocating point what you spend. With CCPs decissions patch/implements/changes, the palyersbase should have this option. And youre wrong, newbie who sawed his SP for something what works for him and after limited time CCP make decission to change that, what can be gamebreaking for someone who start in game is not a hurt for newbie?! Wrong terribly wrong, it is actually pain and nobody can fell that more than someone who just spent his firts SP thousands. Try to give me more accurate reasson why Respec is bad idea. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 158	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:31:00 - [305] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: The only people who do not want a respec are the ones with enough SP in reserve to go proto in the new suits and weapons, which represents about 3% of the entire community. There are many who have thought out their choices in suits and weapons just to have them change or become obsolete. With the new bonuses and changes to equipment, changes to everything really, there needs to be a full respec of , well, everything. Again the only people who do not want a respec are those with massive amounts of SP. I do not see any players returning if they are skilled into a suit and weapon and equipment that does not mesh well together. After reading the majority of the forum posts, had I not already been playing, I would not want to come and play this game. I already am playing less and less on all my accounts due to nothing being delivered and this SoonTM becoming a serious offence to me. Agree basicaly with everything boyo. I cant understand why some "people" here declined this idea. Its like i dont know, game cant profit on selfishness of some "SP milionares". Proper game profiting from relationship between palyer base and devs. Its simple and easy. If they lost connection with players through their stubbornness, that day they will lost everything. In that time i will want to see eyes and faces of that "three procents", when they will lost contenders and finally game itself. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1668	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:29:00 - [306] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. No. I paid for a service that was changed from the results I paid for. The proper thing to do is either refund the actual money or refund the service to be used for the RESULTS it was purchased for. Thats why its either refund the money or refund the SP. And since the money has been SPENT by CCP. That leaves: REFUND THE SP. No one said the service was forever and ever. You received your service for the money you spent. The phone company changed from unlimited data to anything over 4GB is slowed down. I didn't want that service, ask for that service or even like what it has to offer but I have to take it. It is called life. Also, I am pretty sure somewhere in the agreement you agreed to there is a sentence that states they CCP had the right to change anything they want at anytime they want without notice. That sentence makes any and all monetary validated repecs null and void. You agreed and therefore they have your money and can do what they want. There is no legal issue here, it is all up to CCP. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1668	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:38:00 - [307] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Hi, I'm a vet. I have 28 mil SP. I have proto CALLOGI/ASSAULT, tanks shields/rails, equipment, MD, CR, and RR. I can save SP for months and not be affected. I newb saving is losing a lot more than I do BC I already have more gear than I use in a day. No respec hurts the new players, not vets, and respects always bring back old players. There is no way, from a business standpoint, that respects can be a bad thing. It may bring them back but CCP will do the same thing that drove them away from the game. From a business standpoint: It takes time and manpower to read the forums and listen to the players about respecs. It takes time and manpower to do the actual work needed to do the refunds. If any refunds aren't handed out properly then it takes even more time and money. It takes time and money to think of the rule of a respec and then explain them to use. It will cause players to ask for more respecs. It goes against one of the major selling points of New Eden in that choices do matter. (I understand that the game has and will changed but it still doesn't mean choices matter because they still do and still will.) It causes frustration and consternation among players and CCP staff. Lastly, it is emotionally taxing, the devs care about the game and are trying hard to make a great game and I would say any extra stress is a bad thing. Business is about money but it also about passion and seeing your vision come to life. Not all companies only see the bottom dollar line. Artist are a prime example, most don't do it for the money because they love what they are doing. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11143	Posted - 2014.02.19 01:54:00 - [308] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. No. I paid for a service that was changed from the results I paid for. The proper thing to do is either refund the actual money or refund the service to be used for the RESULTS it was purchased for. Thats why its either refund the money or refund the SP. And since the money has been SPENT by CCP. That leaves: REFUND THE SP. No one said the service was forever and ever. You received your service for the money you spent. The phone company changed from unlimited data to anything over 4GB is slowed down. I didn't want that service, ask for that service or even like what it has to offer but I have to take it. It is called life. Also, I am pretty sure somewhere in the agreement you agreed to there is a sentence that states that CCP has the right to change anything they want at anytime they want without notice. That sentence makes any and all monetary validated repecs null and void. You agreed and therefore they have your money and can do what they want. There is no legal issue here, it is all up to CCP. And we have the right to leave the game, write negative reviews, spread bad press and general warn people away from spending their money on a sinking ship. A few people doing that doesn't hurt the game that much. Create a culture where your players at BEST don't talk about your game, and you'll go the way of the MAG, with less of an impact. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1670	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:51:00 - [309] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: A few people doing that doesn't hurt the game that much, if at all. Create a culture where your players at BEST don't talk much about your game, and you'll go the way of the MAG, with less of an impact. I fully support talking with your money. I know it may seem hypocritical but they should make the game better, again, the problem lies in content and how it interacts with each other and the players. If CCP doesn't respect the players the game will fall off and go down the drain but at the same time they can't kowtow to players. There has to be a line that where CCP makes a decision and sometimes they will be really bad and sometimes they are genius. It is a total roll of the dice because they can't please everyone. This is a slow burn game and if we rush things too much it will die just as quickly as if we went too slow. We need a stable core of suits, weapons, modules and skills and giving refunds and changing the core stats has to stop soon or we are dead in the water. It is a hard road for a team that hasn't ever made a PS3 shooter. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
SOGZ PANDA 0uter.Heaven 53	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:54:00 - [310] - Quote For everyone saying "don't respec because you just help people spec fotm". Fotm is a form of community abuse. It isn't exactly ccp's fault people abuse op gear to win There will always be fotm and op gear because it's a videogame. That isn't an excuse to deter the devs from respecing earnt sp after they change racial bonuses to all suits This respec is essential imo Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1642	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:05:00 - [311] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech. i can identify with this. I too have studied electronics. and every job i have had since college has been stuff i taught myself... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 337	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:20:00 - [312] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It is one thing to want a respec because you're just tired of the stuff you skilled into. It is another thing to want a respec for new content since racial variants (especially for dropsuits) should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. This I think makes a respec completely justified, but its not the biggest reason. Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying an expensive sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into an expensive tractor. The tractor may be a great tractor, but if you're a race car driver and not a farmer then you're screwed; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required. The Minmatar logi is such an example. Awry Barux wrote: An example of the changes invalidating previous decisions: I generally run Min Logi, uplinks, hives, and a scanner. No rep tool because I'm not that kind of logi. I picked Min Logi for the hacking bonus (free complex codebreaker), which is being changed to a bonus to something that I have never used in the past and will never use in the future. That warrants a respec. I thought the idea that these big changes warranted a respec would be clear and obvious to CCP, but CPM member Hans Jagerblitzen has informed me that its not guaranteed yet. This should be a guaranteed thing, not a maybe. For those worried about the favorite-of-the-month chasers, the respecs do not create the the problems, its poor balancing that leads to FoTMs; they will just get nerfed and re-balanced anyway. The fundamental issue is our choices not being invalidated. Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true. So yeah, respec for 1.8 please, for dropsuit command at the very least. Ideally all infantry skills. Here is why: Awry Barux wrote: Skilling into a different dropsuit necessitates very different SP distribution. If someone is switching from logi to heavy, what use would they have for equipment skills? If someone is switching from Amarr sentinel to Cal sentinel, they deserve to move their armor SP to shields. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142199 As always... You make too much sense. Ccp will nerf you if you keep it up
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1670	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:25:00 - [313] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech. i can identify with this. I too have studied electronics. and every job i have had since college has been stuff i taught myself... I had to take micro processor programming I&II and then they dropped it down to just micro processor programming I and the next semester it was totally removed. That class was hard becasuse programming at the bit level is difficult and time consuming. I payed money for those classes and the books, I spent an hour a day 5 days a week for like 13 weeks on something that I have never even used. It did help in some PLC classes I had but it wasn't anything I couldn't have overcome. Digital makes a little bit more sense and things like flags and watchdogs made more sense afterwards. Motorola M68HC11 The PDF is 650 pages and really dry but interesting. It will bring back memories if you have ever programmed bit level code and had to pop things on and off the stack. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2047	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:38:00 - [314] - Quote This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Anyone saying otherwise is just not thinking logically. Choices matter unless you didn't have a choice to make, like with heavies. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 867	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:41:00 - [315] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 511	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:43:00 - [316] - Quote Given the massive amount of content that is slated to be released with 1.8 I think it is reasonable to request at least partial respecs. Especially for dropsuits. A full respec would be very nice though given the amazing job CCP has been doing to "balance" AV (ok ok stop laughing) to allow more players to get rid of the wasted points in pretty much everything that is AV related and focus more on getting killed by tanks.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2047	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:47:00 - [317] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted. Huh? So if you run cal scouts and gal heavies you need both shields and and armor. (I know what you really mean) More seriously, are you really not going to use any armor modules at all on Caldari suits? Ever? Not even if they fix reactives/ferroscales? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 512	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:49:00 - [318] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech. i can identify with this. I too have studied electronics. and every job i have had since college has been stuff i taught myself... I had to take micro processor programming I&II and then they dropped it down to just micro processor programming I and the next semester it was totally removed. That class was hard becasuse programming at the bit level is difficult and time consuming. I payed money for those classes and the books, I spent an hour a day 5 days a week for like 13 weeks on something that I have never even used. It did help in some PLC classes I had but it wasn't anything I couldn't have overcome. Digital makes a little bit more sense and things like flags and watchdogs made more sense afterwards. Motorola M68HC11 The PDF is 650 pages and really dry but interesting. It will bring back memories if you have ever programmed bit level code and had to pop things on and off the stack. This is a funny discussion. My first degree was an associated in electronics back in 1999. I only had 1 job actually working in electronics at APC (then they were bought out and the plant i worked in closed) My second career field was Networking in 09 I got my BS in IT along with a few basic certs ( network +, security +, CCNA) Now i monitor firewalls for a living. I had to convince the school that a lot of the pre-requisits for my BS in IT had already been meet with my AS in electronics. BTW I got both degrees from the same college.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 867	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:55:00 - [319] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted. Huh? So if you run cal scouts and gal heavies you need both shields and and armor. (I know what you really mean) More seriously, are you really not going to use any armor modules at all on Caldari suits? Ever? Not even if they fix reactives/ferroscales? Yeah, sure, eventually- but if the point is that we're re-doing our SP choices due to drastic changes in suit functionality, upgrades need to be re-chosen too. I can change my suit to a Cal suit, but if I'm a month away from having proto shield extenders (because what armor tanker would even touch that tree?), that's a brutal wait. The whole issue could be avoided by just giving a core upgrade respec. Also, my point about equipment stands.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1670	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:56:00 - [320] - Quote Mine is in industrial control and robotics, I helped develop the curriculum for the instructional robots and get them certified by FUNAC to teach robotics with their machines. I had a bunch of computer and networking classes in the late 90's but the field was so flooded that I couldn't even get an interview. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1671	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:59:00 - [321] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted. Huh? So if you run cal scouts and gal heavies you need both shields and and armor. (I know what you really mean) More seriously, are you really not going to use any armor modules at all on Caldari suits? Ever? Not even if they fix reactives/ferroscales? Yeah, sure, eventually- but if the point is that we're re-doing our SP choices due to drastic changes in suit functionality, upgrades need to be re-chosen too. I can change my suit to a Cal suit, but if I'm a month away from having proto shield extenders (because what armor tanker would even touch that tree?), that's a brutal wait. The whole issue could be avoided by just giving a core upgrade respec. Also, my point about equipment stands. I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 867	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:02:00 - [322] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted. Huh? So if you run cal scouts and gal heavies you need both shields and and armor. (I know what you really mean) More seriously, are you really not going to use any armor modules at all on Caldari suits? Ever? Not even if they fix reactives/ferroscales? Yeah, sure, eventually- but if the point is that we're re-doing our SP choices due to drastic changes in suit functionality, upgrades need to be re-chosen too. I can change my suit to a Cal suit, but if I'm a month away from having proto shield extenders (because what armor tanker would even touch that tree?), that's a brutal wait. The whole issue could be avoided by just giving a core upgrade respec. Also, my point about equipment stands. I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have. Hmm. If I had done that, I would consider it a waste. Or, not a waste, but a huge opportunity cost- that SP could have gone other, more useful places, like electronics/engineering.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5800	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:33:00 - [323] - Quote Personally, I would love a full respec to leave the life of a tanker and join the ranks of logibro's come 1.8. I know it's probably not going to happen, but a man can dream, right? Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11148	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:33:00 - [324] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Awry Barux wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: This is one of the few instances where the FOTM argument doesn't apply (I am big time proponent of that argument, btw... Those flaylock wielding cal logis can suck it...). Racial parity is the only legitimate reason for one. Dropsuit skills should be refunded, no question. Core upgrades, a decent argument could be made either way. IMO core skills are never really wasted, but whatever. Weapons.... Hmm.. I'm not sure about weapons. I'm inclined to say no because it should wait until more racial weapons come out. Mostly I think that once the remaining heavy weapons come out, that's the right time. Each race has a pretty decent selection of light weapons right now and tbh they are not nearly the SP sink that dropsuit or core skills are. Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted. Huh? So if you run cal scouts and gal heavies you need both shields and and armor. (I know what you really mean) More seriously, are you really not going to use any armor modules at all on Caldari suits? Ever? Not even if they fix reactives/ferroscales? Yeah, sure, eventually- but if the point is that we're re-doing our SP choices due to drastic changes in suit functionality, upgrades need to be re-chosen too. I can change my suit to a Cal suit, but if I'm a month away from having proto shield extenders (because what armor tanker would even touch that tree?), that's a brutal wait. The whole issue could be avoided by just giving a core upgrade respec. Also, my point about equipment stands. I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have. And that's your choice. There's absolutely no reason to force someone to make that choice, when we could simply refund infantry skills and be done with it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 867	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:35:00 - [325] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Personally, I would love a full respec to leave the life of a tanker and join the ranks of logibro's come 1.8. I know it's probably not going to happen, but a man can dream, right? Didn't you have a chance to do that when 1.7 dropped?
ThePlayerkyle13 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 58	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:42:00 - [326] - Quote Why do people & CCP treat DUST as a full game? Its not a full game, its still unfinished, plus their loads of content thats needs reviewing after each patch so a full respec is important so that we review it for CCP to patch & fix. Now obviously when the game is polished we should have our final full respec but atm the game is gimped. Join my Corp HERE
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5802	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:22:00 - [327] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Personally, I would love a full respec to leave the life of a tanker and join the ranks of logibro's come 1.8. I know it's probably not going to happen, but a man can dream, right? Didn't you have a chance to do that when 1.7 dropped? I did. I have no excuse, and will live with my choice. It'd be nice to have a full one, but I'm not expecting it. I am, however, expecting a full infantry respec, as 1.8 changes the entire game. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 35	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:29:00 - [328] - Quote I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have.[/quote] Well that is nice for you, it is also nice you have that much time on your hands and have been in game longer than most, but the point is just this, there is a major content change, where certain racial suits are being released, bonuses have changed, equipment has changed and not everyone has skills they do not use maxed out. No one wants a skill line with all that wasted SP in it just sitting there because the game, not the player, the game changed. It will improve players past this FoTM BS I keep hearing because they will finally have an option to get out of dead skill lines, or get in the actual suits they wanted to begin with. This New Eden stuff people keep regurgitating about no one forced you to skill into this line, or you were following FoTM and you need to live with it is getting old. the "Leet" do not want players with better suits and equipment that match their racial bonuses, because then their game will drop fighting tougher mercs. This game is seriously flawed, and most of the skill lines have changed every 2 months making some "OP" and some garbage, I have said it before and saying it again, those with all their skills trained and enough SP in reserve are saving SP so they can play FoTM weapons and new suits, so SP rich players can look into their skill lines and I bet many are using the RR and CR now, and answer this, how long did you use an Assault Rifle before 1.7 to get those skill points saved up.... For most who pad their SP in PC and proto stomping, probably not long, but for casual players it takes months to get a skill line built up just to have it become worthless. So a respec is in order. The palyer base is dropping fast, the content not being delivered because of SoonTM is getting very old.
501st Headstrong The Unit 514 111	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:00:00 - [329] - Quote Yes to a respec. Reasons being: 1. People have been witing years forcontent, but were forced to allign with other gear. Case and poijt: Minmatars running Amarr heavies. I am a major fan of Lore and this bugs me. A Respec will allow me to fufill my Raciql Inventory 2. People will always skill into FOTM, but to survive. Some say tyey did this with the Flaylock, and now everyone runs RRs? Guess what, the description of the RR says it is thr best rifle to date. All we want CCP is the choice to Spec ijto what we want 3. We refuse to wait for our new, very likely buggy suits when we are wwiting for this update, and years before that. A respec will sait us 4. So what if we cry in the future.If people scree this up, you at least know you gave us the opporutuniity. It hasbeen very long since we lived with those mistakes. 5. A full Respec can allow Avrs to change if thry have given up on it, allow Gallente to spec iinto We mor fully instead of shieldd, and more. Dont beat around thr bush 6. If I get a full 13 million is SP respec, I will go Proto. Not to stomp players thoigh, but to have a viable suit to counter those who would tty and stomp me. Many ppl cant geneate billions of Isk in PC. Please allow us to at least have thr capacity to fight back. 7. It's a nice thing to do considering 15 of these 17 current pages are good arguents for a Respec, and the rest are weak. 8. "CCP never gIves Respecs" They are givin me all my suits now along with new equipment and weapons. Also, respecs have been given before. 9. "Proplr knew thr Flaylock pistol was OP and skilled into it anyway" Thry did it in hopes of killing thr other guy before they died. Also, CCP doesnt release OP weapons that people csn tell by. I will happily atgue about How the weapons of Dust fit together in trrms of Countering, start up another thread. Full respec for all who do what it takes to survive, and lose what they are in thr process. Ex: HMG use to beweak. Heavies use AR. People cty about a problem thry caused, along eith lack of Anti Infantry HWs. 10. You have a majoritg of players that want a respec, and a rrfudal will alienate thrm. Majority rules CCP, so please appease hs. Or I assure you thr next big Update will have your biggest ultimatum: Repec now sincr you didnt give us one in 1.8 or I rrfuse ti play this gam. There's 10 points why to give a respec. Any disputers? And yes, I will debate you on this. Sorry about Spelling mistakes, typing this onthr Vta :) I am the reason you rage-quit =D
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1291	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:44:00 - [330] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: The only people who do not want a respec are the ones with enough SP in reserve to go proto in the new suits and weapons, which represents about 3% of the entire community. There are many who have thought out their choices in suits and weapons just to have them change or become obsolete. With the new bonuses and changes to equipment, changes to everything really, there needs to be a full respec of , well, everything. Again the only people who do not want a respec are those with massive amounts of SP. I do not see any players returning if they are skilled into a suit and weapon and equipment that does not mesh well together. After reading the majority of the forum posts, had I not already been playing, I would not want to come and play this game. I already am playing less and less on all my accounts due to nothing being delivered and this SoonTM becoming a serious offence to me. I have saved up SP, over 3M, but I still feel cheated regarding my caldari assault. Drop it like its hat.

Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:21:00 - [331] - Quote lol When i see some of the arguments against a respec, i can't help but think of those douchebags that don't want to raise the minimum wage. "I have no need for it and it doesn't benefit me at all . . . so why should i give a ufck about what these broke bastards want"? I'm fairly new to this game and i love it; even with all it's flaws, and I'd like to see it thrive. And even though there may be some negatives to a respec I think the pro's far outweigh the cons. Yes for respec
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1291	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:40:00 - [332] - Quote 17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue. Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things? Drop it like its hat.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1742	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:09:00 - [333] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: 17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue. Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things? CCP doesn't want to talk with their community. They didn't two years ago and they don't now. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 334	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:13:00 - [334] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: 17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue. Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things? WORD War never changes
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 180	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:39:00 - [335] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: 17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue. Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things? WORD They just made this thread so they no where to look when making arguments for and against a respec. Also the forums were being spammed by repsec, hiding other threads in the midst. They aren't commenting in order to keep hopes down in case they decide against it. *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1742	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:50:00 - [336] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: They just made this thread so they no where to look when making arguments for and against a respec. Also the forums were being spammed by repsec, hiding other threads in the midst. They aren't commenting in order to keep hopes down in case they decide against it. More like they made this thread to get the respec spam away from General Discussion. If they wanted our input they would have made this thread weeks ago, and the devs would be replying to it. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1291	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:07:00 - [337] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Ronan Elsword wrote: They just made this thread so they no where to look when making arguments for and against a respec. Also the forums were being spammed by repsec, hiding other threads in the midst. They aren't commenting in order to keep hopes down in case they decide against it. More like they made this thread to get the respec spam away from General Discussion. If they wanted our input they would have made this thread weeks ago, and the devs would be replying to it. Yep. This thread is just CCP trolling the whole community. Drop it like its hat.
XxGhazbaranxX TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1032	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:36:00 - [338] - Quote I wrote: Now lets put it in other terms. Lets say I bought a plane because I wanted to fly, but then you switch my plane and give me a boat. Both are vehicles but both vehicles have different purposes and that is what has happened with the suits. It's not that I bough a jet and you switched it for a cesna to make it fair because it's a cesna game. It's because I bought a plane to fly with and you gave me a boat that is used for a completely different purpose. While I wouldn't necessarily have argued on the pro-respec side if it was just tweaks to the stats and numbers of Dropsuits, equipment and weapons, I have to agree that since the actual bonuses changed to entirely different things, a respec is at the least an option that should be considered by CCP. Many people don't know this but eve has had a lot of changes to the ships in these last couple of cycles of ship re-balancing but those changes where numerical for the most part so where before you had a 5% bonus to shield resistance per level, now you have 4%. Where you had a 10% boost to webber range, now you have 40% to better fulfill it's role. Now back to Dust. These changes that are being made are at the core of the suits themselves. CCP; you are not tweaking numbers, you are changing the whole concept of each dropsuit. Imagine for a moment that you trained your minmatar logi for the hacking bonus, which many did, then all of the sudden instead of being a hacking suit you have a repping suit that does not fit your playstyle. Now lets put it in other terms. Lets say I bought a plane because I wanted to fly, but then you switch my plane and give me a boat. Both are vehicles but both vehicles have different purposes and that is what has happened with the suits. It's not that I bough a jet and you switched it for a cesna to make it fair because it's a cesna game. It's because I bought a plane to fly with and you gave me a boat that is used for a completely different purpose. Now, just because I am pro-respec at this moment doesn't mean I agree with respecs in general because I don't and I have made peace with the posibilty of not having one. But for this instance, I believe that suits where change in a fundamental way that will completely change the way they are used, not because they where tones down like the cal logi was when it was OP but because they changed the way they all function. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Marc Rime 265	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:59:00 - [339] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have. Hmm. If I had done that, I would consider it a waste. Or, not a waste, but a huge opportunity cost- that SP could have gone other, more useful places, like electronics/engineering. Maxing both has the added benefit of making you somewhat more resilient to balance changes. I did it for that very reason. It would appear that a lot of people chose not to, and instead dumped all their SP into whatever the forums said was best at the moment, that's their choice -- a choice they, for some reason, now wish to undo.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 114	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:04:00 - [340] - Quote I want a respec of dropsuit commands and upgrades. Why? Because the Amarr was the only heavy available so I had no choice. Also many suits are getting new bounuses changing my play style.

The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 114	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:18:00 - [341] - Quote I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2634	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:27:00 - [342] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of? Really? If i get an infantry respec and i can clean that side up and maybe save a bit to put into more vehicles Whats infantry going do? mostly respec out of swarms i bet and possibly into a FG or just focus on the infantry side instead Less AV means i wont be as bothered as much Intelligence is OP
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1675	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:10:00 - [343] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: the content not being delivered This week was the third time I have ever hit the cap, I am about as casual as it gets. I don't have time to play and I haven't paid money in about a year. It is not about leet vets not wanting people to have good suits. You are correct in that the problem is content. Yes, I am against refunds but if the all the racial suits are released at one time then I do think now is a good time to refund dropsuit SP. I believe in rewarding players with time spent in game and those players should have an advantage over someone who has been here two weeks. It is not leet mentality, it is a reward for playing. The problem is content, we don't have enough and CCP needs to get the core line up of suits worked out so that they can say no more respecs. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1675	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:14:00 - [344] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Awry Barux wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I am a armor man but I still skilled all shields to five. I don't consider it a waste at all. I don't use them often but when I do it is nice to have. Hmm. If I had done that, I would consider it a waste. Or, not a waste, but a huge opportunity cost- that SP could have gone other, more useful places, like electronics/engineering. Maxing both has the added benefit of making you somewhat more resilient to balance changes. I did it for that very reason. It would appear that a lot of people chose not to, and instead dumped all their SP into whatever the forums said was best at the moment, that's their choice -- a choice they, for some reason, now wish to undo. Pretty much how I feel. I do think heavy and light frames should get refunded even if they tell the rest of us to suck it up. Lights and heavies didn't have the variety of choices mediums had so it would be fair to them to give a refund on those. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1675	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:24:00 - [345] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Yes to a respec. Reasons being: 1. People have been witing years forcontent, but were forced to allign with other gear. Case and poijt: Minmatars running Amarr heavies. I am a major fan of Lore and this bugs me. A Respec will allow me to fufill my Raciql Inventory 2. People will always skill into FOTM, but to survive. Some say tyey did this with the Flaylock, and now everyone runs RRs? Guess what, the description of the RR says it is thr best rifle to date. All we want CCP is the choice to Spec ijto what we want 3. We refuse to wait for our new, very likely buggy suits when we are wwiting for this update, and years before that. A respec will sait us 4. So what if we cry in the future.If people scree this up, you at least know you gave us the opporutuniity. It hasbeen very long since we lived with those mistakes. 5. A full Respec can allow Avrs to change if thry have given up on it, allow Gallente to spec iinto We mor fully instead of shieldd, and more. Dont beat around thr bush 6. If I get a full 13 million is SP respec, I will go Proto. Not to stomp players thoigh, but to have a viable suit to counter those who would tty and stomp me. Many ppl cant geneate billions of Isk in PC. Please allow us to at least have thr capacity to fight back. 7. It's a nice thing to do considering 15 of these 17 current pages are good arguents for a Respec, and the rest are weak. 8. "CCP never gIves Respecs" They are givin me all my suits now along with new equipment and weapons. Also, respecs have been given before. 9. "Proplr knew thr Flaylock pistol was OP and skilled into it anyway" Thry did it in hopes of killing thr other guy before they died. Also, CCP doesnt release OP weapons that people csn tell by. I will happily atgue about How the weapons of Dust fit together in trrms of Countering, start up another thread. Full respec for all who do what it takes to survive, and lose what they are in thr process. Ex: HMG use to beweak. Heavies use AR. People cty about a problem thry caused, along eith lack of Anti Infantry HWs. 10. You have a majoritg of players that want a respec, and a rrfudal will alienate thrm. Majority rules CCP, so please appease hs. Or I assure you thr next big Update will have your biggest ultimatum: Repec now sincr you didnt give us one in 1.8 or I rrfuse ti play this gam. There's 10 points why to give a respec. Any disputers? And yes, I will debate you on this. Sorry about Spelling mistakes, typing this onthr Vta :) I know your pain on the VITA. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Marc Rime 267	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:49:00 - [346] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I want a respec of dropsuit commands and upgrades. Why? Because the Amarr was the only heavy available so I had no choice. Also many suits are getting new bounuses changing my play style. In all fairness you might want to give up all the progress you earned while wearing that suit too, in that case. Anyway, the patch is still a few weeks off, start saving now and you'll easily have enough SP to unlock the advanced sentinel or commando you want. If you grind away and max the bonus this week and the next you might even have enough for proto... And that's not even considering the 3x SP week we recently had, surely you saved some of that SP for 1.8? I mean, since you knew there'd be new gear you'd want to unlock?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1675	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:52:00 - [347] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: In all fairness you might want to give up all the progress you earned while wearing that suit too, in that case. Never thought of that one, I will have to keep that on tap. Very good job and thank you. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11178	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:18:00 - [348] - Quote This game is so far from complete. Until we have a stable foundation, arguments against respecs are emotional and nothing more. They do NO damage to ANYTHING but your own roleplaying and imagination. Period. What the other guy runs is HIS / HER business, not mine, and even if it changed drastically every 5 minutes, it NEVER effects me unless I allow it to. Basically: get over yourselves, and play the game. And before anyone regurgitates any FoTM crap, news flash: SP rich players are sitting on millions of unallocated SP so that THEY benefit from no respec. So, before you spout off that it hurts newer players, it does exactly the opposite, and if you can't see that then you clearly haven't played enough DUST Accurate depiction of anti respec people Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 514	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:58:00 - [349] - Quote Just saw this, do the respec, why? Because there's alot of stuff changing, there's alot of new stuff coming into the game, why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal and the last time infantry got a respec was almost a year ago, some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Marc Rime 269	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:26:00 - [350] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill. Komodo Jones wrote: And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal Yeah, because surely noone will ~~request~~demand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now. Komodo Jones wrote: some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to.

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 714	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:27:00 - [351] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This game is so far from complete. Until we have a stable foundation, arguments against respecs are emotional and nothing more. They do NO damage to ANYTHING but your own roleplaying and imagination. Period. What the other guy runs is HIS / HER business, not mine, and even if it changed drastically every 5 minutes, it NEVER effects me unless I allow it to. Basically: get over yourselves, and play the game. And before anyone regurgitates any FoTM crap, news flash: SP rich players are sitting on millions of unallocated SP so that THEY benefit from no respec. So, before you spout off that it hurts newer players, it does exactly the opposite, and if you can't see that then you clearly haven't played enough DUST Accurate depiction of anti respec people I Can confirm I have been a patient and forward thinking DUST player and I have saved up nearly 3Mill SP for 1.8. I expect to have even more by the time 1.8 drops. If CCP do not respec anything then I know that at least I have a nice chunk of SP to put into the things I would like.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 909	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:40:00 - [352] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Komodo Jones wrote: why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill. Komodo Jones wrote: And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal Yeah, because surely noone will ~~request~~demand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now. Komodo Jones wrote: some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to. Awry Barux wrote: It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1296	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:56:00 - [353] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. No. I paid for a service that was changed from the results I paid for. The proper thing to do is either refund the actual money or refund the service to be used for the RESULTS it was purchased for. Thats why its either refund the money or refund the SP. And since the money has been SPENT by CCP. That leaves: REFUND THE SP. No one said the service was forever and ever. You received your service for the money you spent. The phone company changed from unlimited data to anything over 4GB is slowed down. I didn't want that service, ask for that service or even like what it has to offer but I have to take it. It is called life. Also, I am pretty sure somewhere in the agreement you agreed to there is a sentence that states that CCP has the right to change anything they want at anytime they want without notice. That sentence makes any and all monetary validated repecs null and void. You agreed and therefore they have your money and can do what they want. There is no legal issue here, it is all up to CCP. No. If the service is no longer what I was OFFERED. Then theres two options: Option 1: cave and say Yessa Massa! and accept the Bend Over Here It Comes Again ...BOHICA. Option 2: Say screw this noise!! and DISCONTINUE that service. Now what of these two options will result in happy CCP customers and a GROWING game? And if CCP refuses to do a respec then theres other service options: http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15037917/2439803-3964793538-65bCq.gif Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Marc Rime 270	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:07:00 - [354] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I guess that's where we differ. I don't consider points dumped into skills I no longer use wasted. Back when I bought the skill, I apparently wanted it, and I may want to use it again in the future. Furthermore, I don't find it the least surprising that they change things, in fact, I've picked my skills based on the presumption that things are going to change.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:17:00 - [355] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Komodo Jones wrote: why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill. Komodo Jones wrote: And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal Yeah, because surely noone will ~~request~~demand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now. Komodo Jones wrote: some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to. The proposed changes in 1.8 are going to completely change infantry roles, changed bonuses on existing suits, new suits, complete overhaul of weapon stats with nerfs and buffs, changes in equipment efficiency making them weaker when not used on a particular racial suit .. etc etc etc This isn't 1 new weapon and a few bug fixes its a complete change in playstyles for infantry Poeple have spent time and money into developing their playstyle and for it then to be completely changed means that all of those decisions you made in the past are now worthless .. Honestly if there isn't a dropsuit command,upgrades and weaponry respec in 1.8 theres going to be a huge amount of unhappy players and an exodus of those aforementioned players
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 909	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:24:00 - [356] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Awry Barux wrote: It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I guess that's where we differ. I don't consider points dumped into skills I no longer use wasted. Back when I bought the skill, I apparently wanted it, and I may want to use it again in the future. Furthermore, I don't find it the least surprising that they change things, in fact, I've picked my skills based on the presumption that things are going to change. There's a difference between balance changes and what's going on in 1.8. I direct you to my post on page 1: Awry Barux wrote: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:31:00 - [357] - Quote Yes to a Respec of Infantry Dropsuit Command/Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry Signed
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1650	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:50:00 - [358] - Quote Western Ways wrote: lol When i see some of the arguments against a respec, i can't help but think of those douchebags that don't want to raise the minimum wage. "I have no need for it, and it doesn't benefit me at all . . . so why should i give a ufck about what these broke bastards want"? Queue the BS about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and having to deal with the choices you made instead of helping to bring about a change that could be mutually beneficial for everyone. Sound familiar? Look . . . I'm fairly new to this game and i love it; even with all it's flaws, and I'd like to see it thrive. And even though there may be some negatives to a respec I think the pros far outweigh the cons. Yes for respec real life social issues... it hurts... escapes into the game8 its here too shivers* Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1650	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:00:00 - [359] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Logibro I know your receiving all these notifications. Since you aren't the one to either confirm nor deny a respec for 1.8. At least confirm that someone is receiving this information and attempting to make an informed decision. most like a decision making committe or body is in charge of deliberating such matters. Has any of this information reached them? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1848	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:04:00 - [360] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of? And infantry was against any kind of respec for vehicles at all, even though CCP was changing practically everything about them. I've supported a full SP refund/respec for everything they're ever going to change. I won't change my opinion on that. What you said is incredibly stupid, and has no basis in reality. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5809	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:07:00 - [361] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of? I have about 15m in tanks and 6m allocated elsewhere. Infantry deserve this respec. Where is your God now? Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 519	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:08:00 - [362] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Komodo Jones wrote: why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill. Komodo Jones wrote: And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal Yeah, because surely noone will ~~request~~demand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now. Komodo Jones wrote: some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to. The respec won't affect alot of people in this respect because alot of people have massive amounts of SP and don't care where they put it, but in terms of the people who are newer, who don't have the luxury of experimenting, or who will end up never using a certain suit again just because they have one of a different race and that's all they care about, why should they have all of this SP just sitting there not being in use? They can't afford it, and really what is the reason NOT to do a respec? How much would it really adversely affect the game? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 39	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:31:00 - [363] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: FarQue FromAfar wrote: the content not being delivered This week was the third time I have ever hit the cap, I am about as casual as it gets. I don't have time to play and I haven't paid money in about a year. It is not about leet vets not wanting people to have good suits. You are correct in that the problem is content. Yes, I am against refunds but if the all the racial suits are released at one time then I do think now is a good time to refund dropsuit SP. I believe in rewarding players with time spent in game and those players should have an advantage over someone who has been here two weeks. It is not leet mentality, it is a reward for playing. The problem is content, we don't have enough and CCP needs to get the core line up of suits worked out so that they can say no more respecs. Was not a direct bash on you, but an in general statement about most and why a respec is in order for all. CCP is not responding to this thread and others are right that they are just doing it to get the spam for respec out of general discussion. I am happy with the changes, and every class I play will not see a drop in my play style only because most of my characters are very specific and have 3 AR types and SCR, also most of my points went into core, like armor, shields and engineering and circuitry, I don't personally use complex armors or shields since the dump in PG/CPU is too great for little return, but have them trained on 2 of 5 accounts, this being 1 of them. But I do however have 2 logibro characters that I will for sure be changing because of the nerf on rep tool distance, nanohives and scanners. I would rather have suit precision, dampening and scan radius instead, along with changing racial suits that are proto. It is necessary for a respec when there is this massive of a change taking place.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:35:00 - [364] - Quote Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 135	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:44:00 - [365] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Respec is not deemed necessary because: 1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected 2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished 3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit 4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP 5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7) As much as I respect you (8.5/10), there are some points I may need to disagree on you from your post. Yes I know as fellow vets we need to expect the following changes ahead of time as well as speculating anything that is in need of a buff or nerf. It is true that the respec is not necessary but at this point late in the game CCP needs to consider one. Not a full respec but an full "INFANTRY" respec. Example, I know you play a mean heavy but sometimes I wonder if you ever had a thought of being in a different heavy suit with a different setup (which I know what you are doing this week for the event) On your points: 1.) Agreed, we ALL foreseen this happening. We knew from day one of the new guns that they were set to be the the most Overused weapon(s) of 1.7 (going on 3 months now). 2.) Totally agreed, there is still some imbalance 3.) 50/50. This point here is a toss-up. With the new updates you are not only stopping slayers but punishing actual logistics users in the process by having them focus only in one equipment they can excel at. So you mean to tell me that if I want my up-links to be efficient and effective I need to skill in Amarr? But I chose Minmatar for the hacking bonus!? Not only that but by your standards people will be stuck in said suit with a bonus to one equipment they never use (e.g some people prefer injector over repair tool. I know it sounds crazy but people actually do that). 4.) Yes we all anticipated BUT saving up SP is not enough of argument to stop respecs 5.) Hold up, the skill tree remains mostly intact but with bonuses changing, nerfs to equipment, new suits being released, or just about changes and add-on of just about anything infantry related, the skill tree is actually kind of changing here Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1257	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:03:00 - [366] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! You have here really big responce by YOUR COMMUNITY. Honestly that "discussion" (how dev boyo named it) is aprox twenty pages long monolog, how COMMUNITY want RESPEC, nothing else. it's being discussed, and that's why this thread is here. more than likely we'll get dropsuit skills back, and perhaps dropsuit upgrade skills? maybe just the equipment skills?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:11:00 - [367] - Quote low genius wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! You have here really big responce by YOUR COMMUNITY. Honestly that "discussion" (how dev boyo named it) is aprox twenty pages long monolog, how COMMUNITY want RESPEC, nothing else. it's being discussed, and that's why this thread is here. more than likely we'll get dropsuit skills back, and perhaps dropsuit upgrade skills? maybe just the equipment skills? Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion. After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs. And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one). Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2885	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:17:00 - [368] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one. I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times. I honestly feel a little bit dirty that I'm agreeing with you on something ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:27:00 - [369] - Quote There were arguments since patch one, but CCP policy cancel every voice about it. Now after pretty long time their pyramid finaly broke and with falling pieces our, the community eyes are on only one proper way to progress what finaly raised its fist and was named again. The time of respec, there is no another option and self prouded CCP must agree after whole that failure before. Because their implements and new techniques are on treshold of gamebreak righ now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2886	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:32:00 - [370] - Quote I'm sure it's been hit on 100x already BUT here goes. I nearly have the entire dropsuit upgrades tree maxed out. I can run 6 different proto suits (with AUR) and I have 8 proto weapons. A respec will not take me from dumb scrub that made poor choices to being a FOTM badass that will topple New Eden. Just wanted to get the FOTM counter argument out of the way. 9 out of the total 20 suits are being released (I'm not actually sure if all 4 Commando suits are being released in 1.8) in 1.8 and the bonuses are being reworked on the existing ones. Thats a pretty big change. I can't see how they could responsibly release 1.8 without a respec. I've also noticed some old vets coming back to check out the game again. You'd have to think that number will go up if there is a respec as well. The positives of a respec FAR outweigh the negatives. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott

Marc Rime 271	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:09:00 - [371] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: There's a difference between balance changes and what's going on in 1.8. I direct you to my post on page 1: Awry Barux wrote: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec. I see your point. In your situation I too might argue for a respec. The vast majority of the players wanting a respec, however, have no better claim than "because I want it" (whatever they say), and since I doubt it'd be possible for CCP to give out individual respecs I'll maintain my position that there shouldn't be any.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 919	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:18:00 - [372] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Awry Barux wrote: There's a difference between balance changes and what's going on in 1.8. I direct you to my post on page 1: Awry Barux wrote: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec. I see your point. In your situation I too might argue for a respec. The vast majority of the players wanting a respec, however, have no better claim than "because I want it" (whatever they say), and since I doubt it'd be possible for CCP to give out individual respecs I'll maintain my position that there shouldn't be any. I don't accept that reasoning for maintaining your position, though it is certainly a common train of thought. It's like cutting welfare programs because a few people abuse the system when they don't need it. While some may not need it, many others genuinely do, and in my opinion it's far better to absorb the hit from those who would abuse the system than to leave those who genuinely need it out in the cold. Especially as in this case, when there are no major costs of providing the desired service, I see no reason to deny the request. We know a respecialization system exists, it's simply a matter of CCP deciding whether or not to hit the button.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 775	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:20:00 - [373] - Quote I'd be fine with the 'no moar respecz' people getting their way, IF there weren't so many damn sweeping changes this patch. Say, 3-4 months from now, when they add pilot suits, that's not respec worthy. Say, 4-5 years from now, when racial tanks come in, your only re-allocation would be in turrets and (maybe) upgrades(say going from caldari to minmatar, you would need nitrous instead of damage mods) Those wouldn't need full respecs, because you're not getting changes to any and all existing equipment. However 1.8 IS bringing super game changing, racially aligned changes. You CANNOT run Gek+ cal assault anymore. You CANNOT run a Laser rifle galScout anymore. You CANNOT run Minlogi with dampeners/uplinks/code breakers anymore Respec. Edit: imagine if in EvE they made Rails and Blasters not use the same skill. Imagine if you could no longer viably run a Caldari battleship with blasters, or a gallente cruiser with rails. Would this NOT deem a refund in SP? No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Your choice CCP.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 171	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:42:00 - [374] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'd be fine with the 'no moar respecz' people getting their way, IF there weren't so many damn sweeping changes this patch. Say, 3-4 months from now, when they add pilot suits, that's not respec worthy. Say, 4-5 years from now, when racial tanks come in, your only re-allocation would be in turrets and (maybe) upgrades(say going from caldari to minmatar, you would need nitrous instead of damage mods) Those wouldn't need full respecs, because you're not getting changes to any and all existing equipment. However 1.8 IS bringing super game changing, racially aligned changes. You CANNOT run Gek+ cal assault anymore. You CANNOT run a Laser rifle galScout anymore. You CANNOT run Minlogi with dampeners/uplinks/code breakers anymore Respec. Edit: imagine if in EvE they made Rails and Blasters not use the same skill. Imagine if you could no longer viably run a Caldari battleship with blasters, or a gallente cruiser with rails. Would this NOT deem a refund in SP? That actually great point. I can see now the vawe of rioting EVE players against CCP right now. But honestly they cant do this to them, what is actually really big discrimination if you take a look on OUR community. Thats quite sad, how they swabing with us here in DUST. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1259	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:02:00 - [375] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: low genius wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! You have here really big responce by YOUR COMMUNITY. Honestly that "discussion" (how dev boyo named it) is aprox twenty pages long monolog, how COMMUNITY want RESPEC, nothing else. it's being discussed, and that's why this thread is here. more than likely we'll get dropsuit skills back, and perhaps dropsuit upgrade skills? maybe just the equipment skills? Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion. After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs. And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one). does a response from a dev give some sort of legitimacy to the thread? I've never found that to be a truism.
Marc Rime 271	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:09:00 - [376] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion. After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs. And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one). Pretty sure the purpose of this thread was to get rid of all the spam in general discussion. It's possible someone at CCP reads it eventually, though I wouldn't count on it. ;)
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 924	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:16:00 - [377] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion. After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs. And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one). Pretty sure the purpose of this thread was to get rid of all the spam in general discussion. It's possible someone at CCP reads it eventually, though I wouldn't count on it. ;) At least by forcing LogiBro to give us a specific thread for it, we've made it clear that we're going to be a huge nuisance about this respec thing- this is one issue in Dust's development that the community is not going to let slide. I'll stick with Dust through bugs, broken balance, lack of content, stale game modes, and wild suit functionality changes, heck, I'll even defend it from naysayers, but the one thing that will incite my rage is if they destroy my playstyle without giving me an option to choose a new one. Give me respecs or give me... I don't know. Just do the first thing.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 198	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:37:00 - [378] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP...... CCP or anyone in my corp can confirm I have no points in any proto suits or major vehicle skills. My 6m SP alt does have a proto suit but I hardly use him unless I want to have a good time with laser rifles. When I play him he doe rack up a good 2,000 plus warpoints so skillpoints aren't everything. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 925	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:41:00 - [379] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP...... CCP or anyone in my corp can confirm I have no points in any proto suits or major vehicle skills. My 6m SP alt does have a proto suit but I hardly use him unless I want to have a good time with laser rifles. When I play him he doe rack up a good 2,000 plus warpoints so skillpoints aren't everything. I know they're not everything, but they're definitely something, since they are the main form of progression in Dust as well as the primary monetization route (boosters). What you've said does nothing to mitigate the fact that 1.8 should include a full infantry respec due to massive changes in suit functionality.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4091	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:00:00 - [380] - Quote My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. I am your scan error.

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 927	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:01:00 - [381] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy.
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 73	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:08:00 - [382] - Quote I'm basically quitting the game if there's no dropsuit respec. Everything else is icing, but I'm not sticking around for a game that fundamentally changes things without giving the most pivotal part of the game back to the players: the skill points. Other games are worth more of my time if that's how CCP wants to treat me. Simple as that.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11212	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:20:00 - [383] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. Actually, weapon functionality DOES change because of how suits are now getting bonuses to specific weapon types. So, while your gun itself may not have changed, your entire reason for picking that gun has. At least, if you base your builds off of math and synergy, that is. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4091	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:33:00 - [384] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits. I am your scan error.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1652	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:35:00 - [385] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits. how do you use a weapon without a dropsuit first?isn't tht impossible? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1654	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:39:00 - [386] - Quote tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community. Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish. Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 172	Posted - 2014.02.20 04:12:00 - [387] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community. Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish. Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter? It SEEMS like CCP waiting now how situation will ESCALATE. Its quite sad how small respect WE like COMMUNITY have by THEM. Even with something like:"We working on RESPEC.", or "We talking about RESPEC.", just NOTHING by them. Its just WIERD how we talking and SUPPORTING here idea of RESPEC and CCP still not MAKE any step forward, or even TRY to comunicate with US. More and more its SEEMS just like phantom THREAD to wipe ALL our pleas from GLOBAL general discussion. What is REALLY not nice by them, CCP should stay and communicate with US and not hiding themselves SOMEWHERE. This SITUATION is quite RIDICULOUS. Waiting for just some info, for me like part of our PLAYING community i feel THAT like somekind of DECEIVE, honestly. Where is that DISCUSSION, what was HIGHLIGHTED in original POST. There is just our CONSTRUCTIVE talk how RESPEC is IMPORTANCE for upcoming events. Im really insterested if CCP try something like THIS on EvE players and their COMMUNITY. I bet they NOT. Im quite INTERESTED when someone start with ANOTHER sparkling threads in GENERAL talks AGAIN. Because this really SEEMS just like thread to make US silent. This is just SAD nothing else THAN dissapointing and SAD. Im really INTERESED if we, COMMUNITY of dust will some day have CLEAR a proper RESPONCE by CCP till newest patch and IMPLEMENTS with number 1.8 ARIVE. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11213	Posted - 2014.02.20 04:26:00 - [388] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits. So why do lights and mediums get allowed to switch around their suits, but heavies are forced to stay as heavies? Light and medium frames who go to heavies can still use their light weapons. Heavy frames who go to light or medium frames are forced to sit on wasted SP. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Vakki Yuki Eastern Aexun Society 5	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:06:00 - [389] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community. Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish. Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter? My man! I love that CCP is involved with their players. I highly respect them for it. The players know what they need. If the ENTIRE COMMUNITY goes into an uproar, listen. We want to help you help us. Most of us have been playing FPS games since 007 Goldeneye. This is your first, CCP. For the love of cheese, listen to us on this one. Give us one last respec. Dropsuits, upgrades, and weapons. Make it the last one. Specialization in improvisation.
Imp Smash Black Phoenix Mercenaries 204	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:13:00 - [390] - Quote I'll throw in with the full respec crowd. My sp decisions were made based on the statistics of weapons and suits. Plus how they interplay. Now all of these are changing completely. There are tons of good arguments for respecs. And I've seen one viable argument for no respec (slippery slope argument). Respec arguments win hands down in sheer number of fairly reasoned statements. Not to mention viable counter arguments to the no respec camp. Just saying.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1304	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:26:00 - [391] - Quote Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Drop it like its hat.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 937	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:36:00 - [392] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. Take note, CCP employees reading this: That is not the case. The backlash will be large. Do the right thing here by providing a full infantry respec, and you'll inject quite a bit of life into the game. It's a matter of keeping the players who are on the fence about whether or not to abandon Dust- you need to hold their interest while you work on additional content. I wouldn't be surprised if a respec, combined with 1.8's new content, earns you a six-month high player count record. This is a win-win for the community and CCP.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1304	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:51:00 - [393] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. If that happens, people should just rapidly close their wallets to make a statement. I told myself that I will not be spending any more money until I get a respec, back in the beginning of uprising when my caldari assault bonus was changed. Drop it like its hat.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1305	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:41:00 - [394] - Quote Also, one very valid argument (warning, incoming irony) is to not refund infantry SP because it would cause tears on the forum. What company would seriously consider that? The people who write such things much be either drunk, high, or were dropped on the head when they were babies. Drop it like its hat.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:27:00 - [395] - Quote You know what? If CCP tells us their reasons are "lol, tears are delicious" for doing something the only thing to do is applaud them for showing some guts. Apparently "Haerr" means "Hare"... Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm a hunted wabbit!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 783	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:29:00 - [396] - Quote And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:32:00 - [397] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. Apparently "Haerr" means "Hare"... Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm a hunted wabbit!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 783	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:34:00 - [398] - Quote Haerr wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 11:02:00 - [399] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits. how do you use a weapon without a dropsuit first?isn't tht impossible? A merc can get fairly far without skilling into a suit. Starter fits are prefit but customizable and spending SP in suit module and weapons upgrades is a smart thing to do and can save people some growing pains. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 185	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:41:00 - [400] - Quote Any input ccp? The sooner u tell ppl what's being respeced, the sooner ppl can experiment with different stuff intead of grinding away for prof 5. Giving ppl a better overall idea of different roles and what they want to specialize in long term. I realize everything is changing next update but I'm sure newer players especially would appreciate the chance to try something different. Please, talk to us. Less QQ more PewPew

Scheherazade VII 217	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:56:00 - [401] - Quote Half Life 3 confirmed.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2643	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:57:00 - [402] - Quote We got respec yet? Intelligence is OP
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 728	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:50:00 - [403] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: We got respec yet? Not yet but im praying for one. Actually lets just sacrifice CCP Logibro to the respec devil. That will give us all what we want .
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1661	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:15:00 - [404] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. Take note, CCP employees reading this: That is not the case. The backlash will be large. Do the right thing here by providing a full infantry respec, and you'll inject quite a bit of life into the game. It's a matter of keeping the players who are on the fence about whether or not to abandon Dust- you need to hold their interest while you work on additional content. I wouldn't be surprised if a respec, combined with 1.8's new content, earns you a six-month high player count record. This is a win-win for the community and CCP. well with the errors on psn preventing the purchase of aurum i can't see how they could possibly hope to get money off this. Besides, in Brasil their are PSN restrictions (another issue entirely) that prevent the purchase of aurum at this time (which is why brasilians make psn accounts using american addresses) Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 116	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:26:00 - [405] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: We got respec yet? Not yet but im praying for one. Actually lets just sacrifice CCP Logibro to the respec devil. That will give us all what we want . Could we sac him to the robot devil instead?
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 70	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:42:00 - [406] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). AMEN KAIN you are so right. SAVE up your SP like hundreds of us Vets do b4 every update. Crap how many weapons, vehicles, BPO's, Officer weapons, exc... do most of us have and will never use. Hell i have 123 Thales, Im a fricken hvy and hate all red dot (or line) snipers and will never use them. Give us our market to trade and/or sell these thousands of items, it will give everyone extra Iskies or Aurum in some cases, to use better gear which in turn will make payouts in game better its a win win. Why souldn't we be able to cash in our extra BPO's for some extra Aurum we dont need all these duplicate's, CCP GIVE US A MARKET please with a cherry on top.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:54:00 - [407] - Quote If I had a crystal ball and you put RR to my head and told me to tell you what the future holds then I would say that we are getting dropsuit SP back if all the suits are release. No sacrifice needed, it its going to happen. I just like to be able to debate people over it. I like a challenge and fighting for the team that is losing or is going to lose is fun to me. I like winning but there is nothing to be won here because I think the choice has already been made. I would be shocked if CCP didn't already know what they are doing, they aren't inept. They just do things differently than non CCP people. All sacrifices should be in the form ISK and addressed to The Robot Devil. No sacrifices are too large but any under 100K ISK could be consider an insult and are could cause your corp to be beshrewed. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 951	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:57:00 - [408] - Quote Salt Dog 76 wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). AMEN KAIN you are so right. SAVE up your SP like hundreds of us Vets do b4 every update. Crap how many weapons, vehicles, BPO's, Officer weapons, exc... do most of us have and will never use. Hell i have 123 Thales, Im a fricken hvy and hate all red dot (or line) snipers and will never use them. Give us our market to trade and/or sell these thousands of items, it will give everyone extra Iskies or Aurum in some cases, to use better gear which in turn will make payouts in game better its a win win. Why souldn't we be able to cash in our extra BPO's for some extra Aurum we dont need all these duplicate's, CCP GIVE US A MARKET please with a cherry on top. God I can't believe I have to trot this argument out again. You would think it would be obvious... would you save your SP if you hadn't yet unlocked advanced suits or weapons, or your proto gear? Not everyone is a beta vet. Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:58:00 - [409] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Any input ccp? The sooner u tell ppl what's being respeced, the sooner ppl can experiment with different stuff intead of grinding away for prof 5. Giving ppl a better overall idea of different roles and what they want to specialize in long term. I realize everything is changing next update but I'm sure newer players especially would appreciate the chance to try something different. Please, talk to us. This is how CCP rolls and it is one way they troll us. We need to get all this pent up respec energy out before they tell us anything. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1851	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:59:00 - [410] - Quote I just want a timetable for the rest of the racial hulls and turrets, and a timetable for the pilot suits. My SP will be 100% pilot. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:01:00 - [411] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I just want a timetable for the rest of the racial hulls and turrets, and a timetable for the pilot suits. My SP will be 100% pilot. I wouldn't hold my breath for any type of public time table because it induces too much rage and speculation. They may confirm it to be on a one or two year road map but they will probably never give us a time table. We can't handle the truth. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
THE WOOKIE 72 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 6	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:08:00 - [412] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: I would post my replies from other respec threads here but the topics were subjugated out of existence. Basically what it boils down to is, we were promised racial heavies forever ago. During the time between said promising and when 1.8 drops, we heavies have been forced to put SP into Amarr heavies if we wanted to play as heavies. For some of us, all we do is heavy, so the choice was "Amarr" or "don't play Dust at all". Since I wanted to play Dust, I went with Amarr. However, if I can't pick the suit I've wanted since I started when 1.8 drops, I will be picking "don't play Dust at all". I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. CCP, do you think you can afford to alienate the playerbase any further? Do you want more than 1/2 the heavies to leave when you're finally giving us what we've been waiting years for? im with this guy only reason I specced into other things than heavy suits/ sry suit and weapons/ sry again one infantry specific weapon is because there wasn't any other things for me to get
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:12:00 - [413] - Quote Wouldn't it be funny if 1.8 was all back end changes and they didn't release any suits till 5/14. I would fall over dead laughing. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11249	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:17:00 - [414] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Wouldn't it be funny if 1.8 was all back end changes and they didn't release any suits till 5/14. I would fall over dead laughing. ESO will have been out for over a month at that point, so I wouldn't notice as I wouldn't have logged in for a bit over a month at that point. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:19:00 - [415] - Quote ESO? I am not getting it, sorry. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:22:00 - [416] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: ESO? I am not getting it, sorry. Elder Scrolls Online
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:26:00 - [417] - Quote I totally forgot about that one. Thanks. Skyrim made me so mad I said I would never play a Bethesna game again. They took my money and knowingly handed me a complete piece of crap. I knew the game would be buggy but never imagined it to be that bad. So I seriously doubt I will mess with it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:27:00 - [418] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I totally forgot about that one. Thanks. Skyrim made me so mad I said I would never play a Bethesna game again. They took my money and knowingly handed me a complete piece of crap. I knew the game would be buggy but never imagined it to be that bad. So I seriously doubt I will mess with it. Yeah I agree entirely, I'm a Morrowind purist. Any Elder Scrolls game after that cannot possibly live up to Morrowind's legacy.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:40:00 - [419] - Quote Bethesda makes fun games but they are very buggy. Fallout and The Elder Scrolls are good games but they are frustrating to play but the Skyrim thing is pretty unforgivable to me. They knew, hid it and then sold it while collecting money. I put my hours into it and got my money's worth but I am still mad. I understand that the PS3 is difficult and I can see how just by looking at the CPU architecture that it would take practice to write good code but they didn't even seem to try. Lots of developers write decent enough code to put out a PS3 title and they could have at least went to Sony and asked for help. Oh yeah, they did and it was fixed in a couple of months (I don't actually remember how long but I am thinking is was under three) Some of you may ask why do I play DUST when it has as many problems as it does. There are a lot of reasons why they are different and I will list them if you like. Just ask, I apparently have no problem splorking my junk opinions or incorrect assumptions on these forums. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 735	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:28:00 - [420] - Quote The only con I can see to having a respec is it rewarding "FotM" players, perticularly the bastard slayer logi who have made life more difficult for us real logis. However, there are far more pros than cons. Reasons for a SP reallocation: 1. It benefits the 3-6 month player more than the Beta vets. We Beta vets already recieved on respec at the beginning of Uprising and many of us are already at proto for a couple different suit classes and at least a couple weapons. We have enough SP to cover any "mistakes" 2. It will increase the diversity of infantry seen on the battlefield because not only do we have new racial suits, but the development team is tweaking stuff to make all dropsuits more viable and have overall done a good job of most of it (at least on paper) 3. It will entice some vets to return and increased player count is god for everybody. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Ambiuris Zinum EL Azteca Empire Amenaza Inminente 28	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:32:00 - [421] - Quote EL Azteca Empire is down for a sacrifice. I definetly need a skill respec. Forgeguns are no longer any good. So much SP wasted on the forgegun. I get very few kills. So much time wasted. The heavy suit, The forgegun, all the other skills at level 5 that do not make a deference. Give the skill RESPEC THANK YOU
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 961	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:49:00 - [422] - Quote waves at CCP hey you all the way over there! A simple "we've read your opinions and have communicated them to the dev team" would be nice. Just that one sentence, please, Logibro?
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 590	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:50:00 - [423] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. So what you're saying is. You guys have no intention to actually speak on the topic so you're moving it out of sight and out of mind so that it completely dies out. What a joke. Newb
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 178	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:08:00 - [424] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. So what you're saying is. You guys have no intention to actually speak on the topic so you're moving it out of sight and out of mind so that it completely dies out. What a joke. Exactly what i told before, just hide it from general. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1526	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:20:00 - [425] - Quote Respec a 10000000000% Please for the love that is Holy. Please, please, please. I want the role I wanted from the beginning and when the new suits drop I can have what I wanted. So please give me a respec so I can play the role I want to play. CCP please. A heavy before 1.8
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 188	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:42:00 - [426] - Quote Respec Supporter here. FAME Click Here for Recruitment
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 50	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:57:00 - [427] - Quote i dont know why everyone is requesting respecs... iether CCP are going to give or not simple.. players dont have any say in the matter just letting you all know.. like just becuase everyone wants jetpacks doesnt mean CCP is going to implement them.. they do what the **** they want.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1466	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:59:00 - [428] - Quote Let's have a respec every time something changes. That way us vets can do whatever they want without worrying about SP grind, new players benefit little, and decisions mean nothing. It will do wonders for balance because everyone will flock to the most OP thing every time there is an update so it can be immediately nerfed. We are also totally entitled to one because we shouldn't be responsible for our decisions or having the forethought to realize in a game evolving as fast as this one things might change. Also a game that gives me free passive SP should allow me to be entitled to dictate what is done with it. Screw those guys in EVE who have to pay for theirs, have to update it every 24 hours and still don't get repecs (or SP refunds.... semantics) every time things change or are added. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
echo47 Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:01:00 - [429] - Quote No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1695	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:02:00 - [430] - Quote calvin b wrote: Respec a 10000000000% Please for the love that is Holy. Please, please, please. I want the role I wanted from the beginning and when the new suits drop I can have what I wanted. So please give me a respec so I can play the role I want to play. CCP please. Prayer. The last refuge of a scoundrel. Lisa Simpson "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 729	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:03:00 - [431] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Let's have a respec every time something changes. That way us vets can do whatever they want without worrying about SP grind, new players benefit little, and decisions mean nothing. It will do wonders for balance because everyone will flock to the most OP thing every time there is an update so it can be immediately nerfed. We are also totally entitled to one because we shouldn't be responsible for our decisions or having the forethought to realize in a game evolving as fast as this one things might change. Also a game that gives me free passive SP should allow me to be entitled to dictate what is done with it. Screw those guys in EVE who have to pay for theirs, have to update it every 24 hours and still don't get repecs (or SP refunds.... semantics) every time things change or are added. Hey ****** i skilled into the amarr logi for the regen bonus not a stupid freaking spawn bonus. and now the the minnie logi is getting the epic bonus for healing range and rep amount on rep tools i want the minnie logi even more. so how is that making my own smart choice then? People like you are just unreal.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 971	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:04:00 - [432] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Let's have a respec every time something changes. That way us vets can do whatever they want without worrying about SP grind, new players benefit little, and decisions mean nothing. It will do wonders for balance because everyone will flock to the most OP thing every time there is an update so it can be immediately nerfed. We are also totally entitled to one because we shouldn't be responsible for our decisions or having the forethought to realize in a game evolving as fast as this one things might change. Also a game that gives me free passive SP should allow me to be entitled to dictate what is done with it. Screw those guys in EVE who have to pay for theirs, have to update it every 24 hours and still don't get repecs (or SP refunds.... semantics) every time things change or are added. yawn I can't believe I'm reposting my words from page 1 for the 4th time this thread. I made good decisions, which are about to become bad decisions in 1.8, through no fault of my own. Awry Barux wrote: Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically. That warrants a respec. As for the "You get unlimited SP" argument, had you read the thread, you would know I've already answered that: Awry Barux wrote: It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4204	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:05:00 - [433] - Quote Please give us a respec for 1.8. There has been so many changes to the suits, that there was no way to possibly predict them. We DESERVE a respec. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 971	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:07:00 - [434] - Quote echo47 wrote: No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 190	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:09:00 - [435] - Quote What suit do you want djinn? FAME Click Here for Recruitment
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4209	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:12:00 - [436] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: What suit do you want djinn? Amarr scout. And maybe amarr commando or heavy... Not sure yet GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:14:00 - [437] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Tank god its a bout time ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 190	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:15:00 - [438] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: What suit do you want djinn? Amarr scout. And maybe amarr commando or heavy... Not sure yet I am thinking Minmatar logi, best repper ever! I rock that six kin and will only see big ups with my rebel slave suit! FAME Click Here for Recruitment
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1695	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:16:00 - [439] - Quote We need to make a good pro and con list real quick Pro Con Helps noobs Noobs don't have enough SP to matter Helps everyone Players can FotM Everything changed - suit SP Suits are changing but can still be used Everything changed - IRL $ spent You got what you paid for if you have already used the weapon or booster Diversity FotM is not diversity Attract and keep new blood SP isn't to blame for NPE, content and training is Vets come back and stay CCP releases borked gear and the vets will flock to the new OP and still quit b/c borked Choices don't matter Lore "I made bad choices" Respec doesn't help igornace /stupidity "I want to try something new" Try doesn't mean proto, trying is level 1 or 2 Add to the list, I can be swayed either way. Someone told me once that a lawyer never asks a question that they don't know the answer to. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 191	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:20:00 - [440] - Quote FOTM will happen no matter what. It is inevitable. So what does it matter. FAME Click Here for Recruitment

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 179	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:22:00 - [441] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: i dont know why everyone is requesting respecs... iether CCP are going to give or not simple.. players dont have any say in the matter just letting you all know.. like just becuase everyone wants jetpacks doesnt mean CCP is going to implement them.. they do what the **** they want. You dont know are you?! Do you know there will be another suit?! Do you know new implements will be in?! Do you know there will be changes to mechaniques of weaponry?! The community need RESPECs just because there will be new things, heavies, arms and more decissions by CCP. Its logic way and to be honest, there in just one proper way how people can improve their roles by their needs and their racial predisposition and thats RESPEC. You just reminds me every one who was against RESPEC, everyone without reason and proper point. Everyone who just call in to the wind his nonsence. Look how many people here, how many parst of OUR COMMUNITY just right now, or days before RAISED their fists and start this LOGICAL figt for RESPEC. Answer is MANY and everyone put their proper POINTS in to it. EVERYONE is RIGHT. And now take a look on yourself, without reason, without point just saying this nonsence. That ridiculous, nothing else. WE the community of DUST just told HOW we see it, how IT IS and what is NEED. And what is need by COMMUNITY its NEEDED by GAME. That the whole POINT. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
ceeceepee ron ceeceepeee 3	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:27:00 - [442] - Quote you guys are getting out of control take a chill and try somthing new i heard that those WAR KITS are really somthin to brag about ehh ehh?
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1524	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:27:00 - [443] - Quote A respec seems necessary. My role as a MinLogi is to rush to objectives, lay out uplinks, hack with the speed of one-thousand crack addicts, and dart off into the sunset, leaving all behind me. I will not be able to do that anymore.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 975	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:29:00 - [444] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: A respec seems necessary. My role as a MinLogi is to rush to objectives, lay out uplinks, hack with the speed of one-thousand crack addicts, and dart off into the sunset, leaving all behind me. I will not be able to do that anymore. I specced into exactly the same role, which is why I'm being such a raging pain about the respec issue. Haven't once used a repair tool, it's the only boring part of Dust.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 191	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:30:00 - [445] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: A respec seems necessary. My role as a MinLogi is to rush to objectives, lay out uplinks, hack with the speed of one-thousand crack addicts, and dart off into the sunset, leaving all behind me. I will not be able to do that anymore. Funny that as a gal rep logi I will be filling your boots.... FAME Click Here for Recruitment
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 180	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:31:00 - [446] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: We need to make a good pro and con list real quick Pro Helps noobs Helps everyone Everything changed - suit SP Everything changed - IRL $ spent Diversity Attract and keep new blood Vets come back and stay Choices don't matter "I made bad choices" "I want to try something new" Con Noobs don't have enough SP to matter Players can FotM Suits are changing but can still be used You got what you paid for if you have already used the weapon or booster FotM is not diversity SP isn't to blame for NPE, content and training is CCP releases borked gear and the vets will flock to the new OP and still quit b/c borked Lore Respec doesn't help igornace /stupidity Try doesn't mean proto, trying is level 1 or 2 Add to the list, I can be swayed either way. Someone told me once that a lawyer never asks a question that they don't know the answer to. There is no cons, how you can put decission of CCP put in cons. Their Fault are their faults and fais. That not about RESPEC. RESPEC itself is help in big implements and changes to game. If they make bad decission and players ergo COMMUNITY are damaged by it, there should be ..wait there MAY be a chance to overcome that by respec. COMMUNITY cant be PUSHED to something what wasnt their IDEA. Thats pure nonsence. BTW dividing playerbase only on Vets and Noobs is not good at all, thats frst thing. Second one FOTM is again a CCPs fault (they made issue in balacings not the players). Suits will have different Impact with new implements, what is another reason VOTING for RESPEC. And finally. ONLY IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY IS AGAINST RESPEC Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 191	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:31:00 - [447] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: A respec seems necessary. My role as a MinLogi is to rush to objectives, lay out uplinks, hack with the speed of one-thousand crack addicts, and dart off into the sunset, leaving all behind me. I will not be able to do that anymore. I specced into exactly the same role, which is why I'm being such a raging pain about the respec issue. Haven't once used a repair tool, it's the only boring part of Dust. Ah, two pairs of boots. I will be a man of fashion! FAME Click Here for Recruitment
ThePlayerkyle13 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:37:00 - [448] - Quote Why do people & CCP treat DUST as a full game? Its not a full game, its still unfinished, plus their loads of content thats needs reviewing after each patch so a full respec is important so that we review it for CCP to patch & fix. Now when the game is polished we should have our final full respec but atm the game is gimped.
Sneaky Fletcher Three-body Solution 65	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:43:00 - [449] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: -snip- Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?" "unlimited SP" argument: I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick. I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game. I support an SP refund because I made a choice to specialize and spend skill points on a skill tree that has been the same way for quite some time--> My grinding was focused and so was every transaction that I made. Current skill tree is radically different--> EULA states things will change so they reserve the right to refund or say HTFU IF A) CCP doesn't refund then SP some people will not mind the change (HTFU) others will leave B) CCP gives refund then people can spec into new skill tree accordingly with Skill Points that they earned and some people stay others STILL leave because MGSV TTG's TWD Dark Souls 2 etc etc etc From A and B what makes more money? which makes the playerbase bitter and conspicuous towards CCP?(regardless of their staying or leaving)
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1727	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:43:00 - [450] - Quote lol, it's going to happen. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 976	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:47:00 - [451] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, it's going to happen. I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 191	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:49:00 - [452] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, it's going to happen. I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day. Everyday? I will believe it when I see it. Don't let me down brone (bro + clone) FAME Click Here for Recruitment
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 181	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:59:00 - [453] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, it's going to happen. I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day. Its not a whining, they told its full release with all that POMPOUS celebration and now they have BACKSLASH for their faults. Its easy if its beta, name it beta. If its a full release, they should give COMMUNITY a chance to RESPEc after their IMPLEMENTS or CHANGES. Its only logical way, COMMUNITY needs equal GAME needs. Without US like community, there is no GAME. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 977	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:07:00 - [454] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, it's going to happen. I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day. Its not a whining, they told its full release with all that POMPOUS celebration and now they have BACKSLASH for their faults. Its easy if its beta, name it beta. If its a full release, they should give COMMUNITY a chance to RESPEc after their IMPLEMENTS or CHANGES. Its only logical way, COMMUNITY needs equal GAME needs. Without US like community, there is no GAME. I know, I know, I'm being facetious at everyone saying they're tired of hearing about it.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1469	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:09:00 - [455] - Quote Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes. Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used? We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 798	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:19:00 - [456] - Quote Just wait till gallente commando ends up with a bug whwre its reload speed bonus is 20% per level instead of 5%, and you're complaining that NS is hacking because they were 'smart' and saved SP for gal commandos, whereas the rest lf is are walking around going '******* nyain, commando stomping everyone, ehy doesn't my amarr commando do that!?' And nobody tells CCP because nobody trustworthy skilled it to find out. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 978	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:20:00 - [457] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes. Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used? We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change. There's a difference between balance changes, for which I would not expect a respec, and complete infantry overhauls. If, for example, they were simply removing logis' intrinsic reps, I would not expect a respec at all. However, 1.8 is going to kill my current playstyle and stick me with a suit meant to perform literally the opposite role. I was an uplink-dropping speed hacker with great mobility, a sort of scout-logi hybrid. In 1.8 I'm going to be the designated suit to sit behind a heavy with a rep tool. There was no possible way for me to predict or expect such an incredibly drastic change, and it's crap for you to tell me to "expect it". Such a colossal change to the functions of skills is no less major than a rework of the skill tree structure, as happened with vehicles in 1.7. The point of a persistent, permanent skill system is for your earlier choices to matter as you work towards your eventual goal. The changes in 1.8 will effectively make a large portion of my SP no longer relevant to the goal I've been working towards for more than 6 months. I should receive a refund because SP isn't meant for things that you use for a bit, then abandon- it's about making permanent choices about character development, choices which are made invalid when roles get outright swapped during subsequent patches.
Vakki Yuki Eastern Aexun Society 8	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:34:00 - [458] - Quote I reiterate, we wanted doughnuts and they're giving us bagels. We chose everything that we chose because of how we play. To change these things without some sort of compensation is simply unfair. End of arguement. Specialization in improvisation.
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 50	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:38:00 - [459] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: FOTM will happen no matter what. It is inevitable. So what does it matter. its not "inevitable" its just down to poor game machanics and balancing on CCPs part... yes CCP the whole ****-ing company is to blame as none of them came up with the idea to pay DICE to make this game,
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:43:00 - [460] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes. Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used? We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change. There's a difference between balance changes, for which I would not expect a respec, and complete infantry overhauls. If, for example, they were simply removing logis' intrinsic reps, I would not expect a respec at all. However, 1.8 is going to kill my current playstyle and stick me with a suit meant to perform literally the opposite role. I was an uplink-dropping speed hacker with great mobility, a sort of scout-logi hybrid. In 1.8 I'm going to be the designated suit to sit behind a heavy with a rep tool. There was no possible way for me to predict or expect such an incredibly drastic change, and it's crap for you to tell me to "expect it". Such a colossal change to the functions of skills is no less major than a rework of the skill tree structure, as happened with vehicles in 1.7. The point of a persistent, permanent skill system is for your earlier choices to matter as you work towards your eventual goal. The changes in 1.8 will effectively make a large portion of my SP no longer relevant to the goal I've been working towards for more than 6 months. I should receive a refund because SP isn't meant for things that you use for a bit, then abandon- it's about making permanent choices about character development, choices which are made invalid when roles get outright swapped during subsequent patches. That's why instead of speccing into a bunch of suits or a bunch of weapons I specced into core skills. Gear changes only affect a small portion of my total SP and anything new only takes about a month or two worth of grinding to be another top notch suit. I've started saving since they announced the new suits in January and I have over 5 mil SP. Can no one else do that? My **** got changed, it'll still work, I've still used it, why should I be entitled to reallocate all my infantry SP because they are changing the bonuses? The bonuses aren't why the Gal and Cal Logi have been the go to suits for try hards, it's the slot layout and base stats, these changes barely even touch that. It's not about how big the change is, it's about the fundamental fact that they don't give respecs unless they have to, and that means skill tree reworks. These changes have all happened, added content, changed bonuses, changed slot layouts, and those didn't warrant respecs. Don't get me wrong though I understand why people want them and people aren't necessarily trying to jump onto FOTM, and a respec wouldn't be totally unwelcome by me, if it were the last, but this forum culture of "respecs should be a regular mechanic" and the reasoning behind it go against the way New Eden works. I mean FFS EVE characters can't respec at all, and they have to pay for every damn account. People here can create a dozen PSNs to make characters to spec into what they see fit or have backups in case, heavens forbid, CCP changes something. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:44:00 - [461] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: FOTM will happen no matter what. It is inevitable. So what does it matter. its not "inevitable" its just down to poor game machanics and balancing on CCPs part... yes CCP the whole ****-ing company is to blame as none of them came up with the idea to pay DICE to make this game, CALLOGITAR514 after the second respec was far worse than addition to this game since. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:48:00 - [462] - Quote Vakki Yuki wrote: I reiterate, we wanted doughnuts and they're giving us bagels. We chose everything that we chose because of how we play. To change these things without some sort of compensation is simply unfair. End of arguement. You can't put cream cheese on a donut, they are two totally different things, and no bonus changes a suit so much that it's totally different. Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 979	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:19:00 - [463] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: That's why instead of speccing into a bunch of suits or a bunch of weapons I specced into core skills. Gear changes only affect a small portion of my total SP and anything new only takes about a month or two worth of grinding to be another top notch suit. I've started saving since they announced the new suits in January and I have over 5 mil SP. Can no one else do that? My ** got changed, it'll still work, I've still used it, why should I be entitled to reallocate all my infantry SP because they are changing the bonuses? The bonuses aren't why the Gal and Cal Logi have been the go to suits for try hards, it's the slot layout and base stats, these changes barely even touch that. It's not about how big the change is, it's about the fundamental fact that they don't give respecs unless they have to, and that means skill tree reworks. These changes have all happened, added content, changed bonuses, changed slot layouts, and those didn't warrant respecs. Don't get me wrong though I understand why people want them and people aren't necessarily trying to jump onto FOTM, and a respec wouldn't be totally unwelcome by me, if it were the last, but this forum culture of "respecs should be a regular mechanic" and the reasoning behind it go against the way New Eden works. I mean FFS EVE characters can't respec at all, and they have to pay for every damn account. People here can create a dozen PSNs to make characters to spec into what they see fit or have backups in case, heavens forbid, CCP changes something. Don't spite the rest of the player base just because you've got a bone to pick with some tryharding slayer logis. It completely does matter how big the change is. I'm not asking for "respecs as a regular mechanic", I'm asking for this ONE respec in an exceptional case of extreme changes. I didn't spec into "a bunch of suits", I got ONE suit. My suit will quite simply NOT WORK in 1.8 for the purpose I explicitly selected it for. So you happened to pick things that still do what you wanted them to in 1.8, that's great for you, but some of us didn't. All this crap being spouted about "HTFU decisions are permanent in New Eden" means absolutely nothing when the meaning of my carefully thought-out decision changes radically. If you had asked me six months ago, "Would you, now or ever, spec into a suit that gave repair bonuses?", my answer would and will be a resounding NO. I picked my suit very, very carefully, and now it has become the opposite of what I selected, through no fault of my own. I see no reason why I should have to spend another few months of grinding worth of SP to get a new suit and going all the way back to skilling up the basic frame when I already had the only suit I wanted. I spent cash on boosters to wait less- by forcing me to grind more to get what I originally wanted, and have always wanted, CCP is telling me that they reserve the right to deliberately turn my cash expenditure into a waste as they please. They do have that right, but they don't have to exercise it like this, and by doing so, they will alienate me, my wallet, and likely a large portion of their player base. Tallen Ellecon wrote:** You can't put cream cheese on a donut, they are two totally different things, and no bonus changes a suit so much that it's totally different. Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU. The change for the Min Logi from a hack bonus to a repair bonus DOES change the suit so much that it's totally different. FFS. In this one case, CCP has a real chance to make it fair, to make it so that some people who happened to pick things that are changing completely don't get completely shafted, to appropriately compensate us for sticking with them through all the balance failures. This is more like buying a donut, getting a donut, getting halfway through eating it and enjoying it immensely, then having the donut shop magically transmogrify it into a stale bagel just as you go to take another bite. They did it deliberately and I have the right to at the very least ask the manager for the other half of my delicious donut. It would be one thing to tell me to expect such changes and go with core skills if the game were still in beta, but technically, it's not. I had every reason to expect role stability- not numerical or balance stability, but role stability: the idea that the battlefield niche that my suit theoretically filled would remain reasonably constant. It makes no sense for the most mobile, lightly armored logistics suit to become the one that is effectively chained to a heavy. That is a colossal role change. CCP is devastating my playstyle and I don't think it's too much to ask to be allowed to preserve my playstyle by re-doing my SP. No, I will not just "HTFU", at least not quietly.
Sneaky Fletcher Three-body Solution 65	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:23:00 - [464] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Vakki Yuki wrote: bloop Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU.* EULA covers CCP's a$s and means this is NOT a democracy. They call the shots. Threads like this, even if perceived as whining/QQ, are the only way we can [against the odds) expect/hope/beg to have a say on the matter. CCP is above all a company, we are the consumers a good relationship between both is paramount to he success of this Soon TM promise. * It's true that we SHOULD shut up and adapt, adapting is why I like this game yet Here we have an opportunity! seeing as a blue tag has ever so slightly acknowleged our cries, NOT CONFIRMED ANYTHING AT ALL, this makes us hope that we can have a say and witness that CCP can make a choice that'll make the costumer relationship that much better. P.S: either that or fix the bleeping game! if they got their sht together the masses would be gathering and throwing cash at them regardless of this kinda changes IMO EDIT.- not to get your panties in a bunch, thou. am just guessing that tallen is only here to collect the tears I mean cuz damn man you be hatin real hard on this SP refund thingamajig
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1699	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:03:00 - [465] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: We need to make a good pro and con list real quick Pro Helps noobs Helps everyone Everything changed - suit SP Everything changed - IRL $ spent Diversity Attract and keep new blood Vets come back and stay Choices don't matter "I made bad choices" "I want to try something new" Con Noobs don't have enough SP to matter Players can FotM Suits are changing but can still be used You got what you paid for if you have already used the weapon or booster FotM is not diversity SP isn't to blame for NPE, content and training is CCP releases borked gear and the vets will flock to the new OP and still quit b/c borked Lore Respec doesn't help igornace /stupidity Try doesn't mean proto, trying is level 1 or 2 Add to the list, I can be swayed either way. Someone told me once that a lawyer never asks a question that they don't know the answer to. There is no cons, how you can put decission of CCP put in cons. Their Fault are their faults and fais. That not about RESPEC. RESPEC itself is help in big implements and changes to game. If they make bad decission and players ergo COMMUNITY are damaged by it, there should be ..wait there MAY be a chance to overcome that by respec. COMMUNITY cant be PUSHED to something what wasnt their IDEA. Thats pure nonsence. BTW dividing playerbase only on Vets and Noobs is not good at all, thats frst thing. Second one FOTM is again a CCPs fault (they made issue in balacings not the players). Suits will have different Impact with new implements, what is another reason VOTING for RESPEC. And finally. ONLY IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY IS AGAINST RESPEC I love this thread. I wish they had done this a long time ago. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 981	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:05:00 - [466] - Quote Sneaky Fletcher wrote: *EDIT.- not to get your panties in a bunch, thou. am just guessing that tallen is only here to collect the tears I mean cuz damn man you be hatin real hard on this SP refund thingamajig I have no tears, only the blinding and all-consuming fire of internet rage.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:21:00 - [467] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Sneaky Fletcher wrote: *EDIT.- not to get your panties in a bunch, thou. am just guessing that tallen is only here to collect the tears I mean cuz damn man you be hatin real hard on this SP refund thingamajig I have no tears, only the blinding and all-consuming fire of internet rage. Delicious tears..... Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
echo47 Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:49:00 - [468] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: echo47 wrote: No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game. I posted my opinion son. No proto suits here. The thing is the majority of changes CCP is implementing is based on the QQ, I mean feedback, from the same players asking for a respec. The changes affect everyone. Fact is players with more skill points will be the ones who benefit. you will still have 15 mil SP the vet will still have twice as many. The only way younger players would actually benefit is if CCP lessens the amount of SP's needed. If CCP does allow a respec it will just be one more thing the players asked for then moan about two months later. Let CCP focus on finishing the game. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1340	Posted - 2014.02.21 06:50:00 - [469] - Quote Noone is going to ask for a respec from CCP because they made a mistake in their skill tree. This thread is not about our current misplaced SP, I could care less about it actually, Its about CCP revamping our roles, making many of our builds (builds that many spent many hours to theorycraft, plan and set up milestones for) and spent SP obsolete (which some of us spent money on boosters). If youre a guy who just click around some in the skill tree without precaution or thought, this thread is not about you. Drop it like its hat.
THE INFAMOUS Sniper Inf4m0us 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 06:51:00 - [470] - Quote I think its fair for infantry to get a suits weapons and equiptment respec because they're all getting changed around drastically in the case of new suits and suit stats regarding specific weapon and equiptment rolls for each in most cases along with weapon changes and new weapons being added in. Its just a game let us have our fun and run what we like and this is not coming from a FOTM chaser.

Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:00:00 - [471] - Quote I'm putting in my vote for a respec. A view from someone who has played off and on since release, recently playing more "seriously" (really just more often and with a corp), this game has changed entirely too much over the last year to not warrant a full infantry respec (perhaps even a vehicle respec, but that may be too soon.) If the dropsuit and weapon changes are going to be anything like I have read about it would be very frustrating to have to save up a few million SP to decently use the newer suits, or even the updated suits I already have skills in. It would be frustrating to the point of I don't think I would play as much, and I know others who would simply quit. I've already felt like I've wasted points getting flaylock specialization 4 (I use the scrambler pistol now instead, which i don't have proto with), and without a heat bonus to amarr suits I most likely wouldn't use the scrambler rifle either, which is also specialization 4. Hell, my advanced swarm launcher with advanced damage mods feel like a waste after the vehicle rebalance. There's at least 2 mil down the drain. It's not even that I'm raging at the changes, but simply that the new suits being released will not be available to the vast majority of players. No one is going to sit on 3 mil SP for a few months just to effectively hop into a new type of suit that we don't even have official word of what the bonuses will be like, afaik all we have is speculation and scattered dev posts. We have had plenty of time to figure out what infantry suits and weapons we like and don't like, now is a better time than any to let us refocus our skills into the playstyles we enjoy, and to discover new ones.
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 917	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:10:00 - [472] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here. & Maken Tosch wrote: #9Posted: 2013.07.28 18:26 20 million ISK says that won't happen. Maken Tosch, I hold you to this, If it does happen The whole community now sees you will send 20million isk to my wallet. If you dont ..it makes you even more of a douchebag then you already are. I dont know you, I have never seen you in game but you are the most annoying kretin on these forums when it comes to respecs WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST THEM!? You are a n00b who does not want to get owned by 'FOTM' users??WTF..thats bs dude. You did say after all the racial suits have been released you would see no reason why there wouldnt be a respec, but after trawling through your 21 pages of respec/no respec posts I couldnt seem to find this particular post. This is NOT eve. FPS games have a completely different market. Its happening, so please ensure you send me 20m isk. Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1345	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:13:00 - [473] - Quote Maken Tosch => Send me your ISK when the respec hits. Drop it like its hat.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1599	Posted - 2014.02.21 12:30:00 - [474] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. If there is no respec given to infantry when Vehicle users got one, it will be another slap in our faces and i would then let my wallet do the talking by quitting Dust and cancelling my 4 Eve Accounts and ill just go back to APB Reloaded or Titanfall on PC, at least there i got proper controls and framerates. I am pretty sure i wont be the only one to put and end to their accounts, ive been Pro Dust for an entire year and gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that you guys could deliver, this hasn't happened yet, for me 1.8 will be either making it or breaking it as 1.7 with the Nascar Tanks @ Walmart prices didnt exactly inspire me with much confidence that you guys are on the ball right now, letting them run wild for 2 months didnt excatly win you any more points either. So 1.8 will be either sweet and ill tollerate everything that is bad about dust for now or its gonna be fck this ***, i am out of here... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1302	Posted - 2014.02.21 12:47:00 - [475] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. If there is no respec given to infantry when Vehicle users got one, it will be another slap in our faces and i would then let my wallet do the talking by quitting Dust and cancelling my 4 Eve Accounts and ill just go back to APB Reloaded or Titanfall on PC, at least there i got proper controls and framerates. I am pretty sure i wont be the only one to put and end to their accounts, ive been Pro Dust for an entire year and gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that you guys could deliver, this hasn't happened yet, for me 1.8 will be either making it or breaking it as 1.7 with the Nascar Tanks @ Walmart prices didnt exactly inspire me with much confidence that you guys are on the ball right now, letting them run wild for 2 months didnt excatly win you any more points either. So 1.8 will be either sweet and ill tollerate everything that is bad about dust for now or its gonna be fck this ***, i am out of here... agreed. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1355	Posted - 2014.02.21 13:00:00 - [476] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: So 1.8 will be either sweet and ill tollerate everything that is bad about dust for now or its gonna be fck this **, i am out of here... I agree with you on every point here Rei, I know you are also a kb/m player, and I know what we in comparison to DS3 players have to put up with in addition to all the other broken things, stuff, etc. It-¦s too bad CCP doesnt read this thread... Drop it like its hat*.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 127	Posted - 2014.02.21 13:14:00 - [477] - Quote If proficiency and dmg mods are affected I would want a SP refund!!
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 343	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:22:00 - [478] - Quote Wow page 24 and still nothing from CCP MAYBE THEY NEED SOME LOVE 1 Miljon isk to the first dev that post somthing after this post. Feel the love CCP LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE And FINALY Some more LOVE War never changes
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 112	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:50:00 - [479] - Quote At the very least the dropsuit tree should be refunded. I know many a heavy who only specced into amarr heavy because they had to. I'm disappointed my suicide-hack winmatar logi is going away but I'll still roll winmatar logi either way so that won't affect me too much.
Vakki Yuki Eastern Aexun Society 10	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:34:00 - [480] - Quote Fine, I'll be the one to say it. Go ahead and screw over your player base. Watch how quickly we cast Dust aside for Titanfall or Destiny. Two games that are going to shut Dust down anyways. (Titanfall is astonishing.) CCP (and all you hater fools who can't comprehend logic), we're not complaining just to complain. WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON. You're changing friggin everything and no one, NO ONE, is happy. Let me know if I'm wasting my time, and the months I've put into Dust were a waste of time. I'll gladly leave. Let me know you're not pulling my pecker and I'll gladly stay. Specialization in improvisation.

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1686	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:07:00 - [481] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: echo47 wrote: No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game. sweet jesus man, this is like the 7th time you had to repost it. these guys just don't understand everything is changing utterly. The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game. its the logi with the lostest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armro plates to have any actually ehp. now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway. galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools. all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke, and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself. The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. the minmatar commando may be useful. the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, and slower speed. The game is changing entirely. a respec is deserved. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 8	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:07:00 - [482] - Quote Here's my take on a SP refund, as a player intimately familiar with MMO's and FPS games but new to the EVE Universe (just under 5M SP): First off, discounting any and all arguments that lack logical points, the number of relevant arguments against a refund shrink dramatically. All of those left are purely subjective, unless I missed some (which is entirely possible, given the ridiculous volume of spam about the topic that has popped up in recent weeks). The only truly logical, objective arguments I've seen endorse a full SP refund of the Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weapons trees. The case can be made that only Heavies, Scouts, and Heavy Weapons should be refunded, though I must admit I'm firmly in the camp that supports a full SP refund for all three previously mentioned meta-trees. Here's why: I started playing this game toward the end of 1.6. I thought I had been thorough, doing my research and choosing my specializations and all before even installing the game. I like the idea of supporting democracy, and so I rolled Gallente. I fight for the Federal Marines, and I support the Minmatar Republic in their ongoing fight against the Amarr and Caldari. As an avid RP'er, I specced into Gallente medium suits because I wasn't a huge fan of the low ehp of light suits and there were no Gallente or Minmatar Heavy suits. I chose to spec into Logistics because I've always enjoyed playing utility classes in previous MMO's. Yet I couldn't truly know what my playstyle would be until I got deeper into the game. As I did, I realized I'm much more suited to the assault play style than the logistics playstyle. And I still wish there was a Gallente Heavy. Unfortunately, I have a significant portion (roughly 10%) of my total SP put into suits that do not click with my playstyle. All the background above is completely aside of the topic that many, many, logis are essentially having the rug yanked out from under them, the Minmatar logi pre- and post-1.8 being the prime example. I, for one, do not use scanners all that often. I run solo alot due to the times of day that I play, and when I do run with my corp I'm never the designated scanner. I prefer to shoot people and drop uplinks in strategic places, not heal other players and scan. Incidentally, based on the previous sentence it's easy (in hindsight) to pinpoint that I will most enjoy the assault, commando, sentinel, and scout suits. Assault likely being the most versatile. As far as weapons and equipment go, I specced into every single piece of equipment because I thought I had to as a logi. I specced into most weapons to try them before realizing that I could just roll an alt and spec into each weapon tree then, and after a week have tried literally every weapon in the game at the advanced level. TL; DR: There is a lot of work to be done by CCP in the areas of balancing, matchmaking, and content expansion...but a SP refund of the meta-trees affected by the 1.8 update will go a long way toward fostering some goodwill in their playerbase. 30M+ SP vets are likely saving SP to grab their preferred proto gear as soon as 1.8 drops. Other players (such as your truly) do not have that luxury, as we are pretty much limited to advanced-level gear and are still working on acquiring prototype gear. Giving us the opportuntiy to streamline our SP choices will make a huge difference in our satisfaction with the game, even if our in-game performance isn't strongly affected.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11318	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:21:00 - [483] - Quote Inb4devresponse Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1104	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:38:00 - [484] - Quote The perfect analogy, supplied by yours truly. Baal Omniscient wrote: It's like you bought an RPG, but overnight instead of firing rockets it changed to firing high-caliber projectile rounds like some shoulder-mounted cannon. It's still functional as a weapon, it still shoots stuff and everything, you can still use it to cause mayhem and destruction, but it serves a completely different purpose than what you bought it for. It's uses are limited in some ways to how it functioned before while being more useful in other ways, but if you bought it for the purpose of exploding the hell out of stuff, it's useless to you now. /analogy MAG ~ Raven
echo47 Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:03:00 - [485] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Awry Barux wrote: echo47 wrote: No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game. sweet jesus man, this is like the 7th time you had to repost it. these guys just don't understand everything is changing utterly. The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game. its the logi with the lostest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armro plates to have any actually ehp. now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway. galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools. all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke, and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself. The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. the minmatar commando may be useful. the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, and slower speed. The game is changing entirely. a respec is deserved. These are the changes people asked for. Thread after thread complaining about slayer logis. Thread after thread complaining of lack of diversity and meaningful roles. Thread after thread complaining about equipment spam. If you do not like the changes skill into another suit, buy earning warpoints. Yeah there are changes but a respec will not prevent the changes from taking place. The stats for dropsuits will be the same wether you get a respec or not. If there was a thread this long asking for a removal or increase in the skill point cap you guys might be on to something. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2	Posted - 2014.02.22 03:04:00 - [486] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Basically confirmed. ^ This ashes to ashes dust to dust we are nothing but dust and to dust you shall return - Father Alexander Anderson
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 1016	Posted - 2014.02.22 03:06:00 - [487] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Basically confirmed. ^ This Not confirmed enough.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 490	Posted - 2014.02.22 03:20:00 - [488] - Quote I just want a dropsuit respec. BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE HEAVY SUIT! Thanks CCP Foxfour
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1699	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:08:00 - [489] - Quote echo47 wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Awry Barux wrote: echo47 wrote: No respec. With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game. sweet jesus man, this is like the 7th time you had to repost it. these guys just don't understand everything is changing utterly. The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game. its the logi with the lostest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armro plates to have any actually ehp. now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway. galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools. all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke, and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself. The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. the minmatar commando may be useful. the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, and slower speed. The game is changing entirely. a respec is deserved. These are the changes people asked for. Thread after thread complaining about slayer logis. Thread after thread complaining of lack of diversity and meaningful roles. Thread after thread complaining about equipment spam. If you do not like the changes skill into another suit, buy earning warpoints. Yeah there are changes but a respec will not prevent the changes from taking place. The stats for dropsuits will be the same wether you get a respec or not. If there was a thread this long asking for a removal or increase in the skill point cap you guys might be on to something. no one ever complained about MINMATAR SLAYER LOGI's. and since when was a minmatar logi ever good at equipement spam... it'd have to have only 500 ehp at proto... besides equipement spam isn't the true source of all the lagg, but the maps with all the extra textures that when combined with equipment cause a measure of lagg. no duh, bro respecs do not prevent changes. but they give the gamer a choice. and making choices is what MMO's are all about. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1699	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:11:00 - [490] - Quote 25 pages with 95% support for respec. it's only been 3 days since this thread started. and it was placed in features and discussion a location many gamers avoid entirely... yeah. respec is pretty much confirmed. Not to make the desicion for CCP, but with this much support even after relocating to a dead area can't be ignored. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:29:00 - [491] - Quote Chase FoTM. Keep FoTM. Opposed. - 32 million SP (some in bad places)
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 87	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:35:00 - [492] - Quote Honestly don't care that much either way, I'm hoping for one but I won't be massively disappointed if CCP doesn't give one. Heck, I'll be on Dark Souls 2 for about two months, who needs respecs when you've got passive SP? Though I'll admit, it would seem a bit odd if vehicle pilots got a respec but infantry didn't. Kind of flipping the bird to a chunk of the player base there. I just want to ditch my logi and get my core skills maxed out My scout needs some boosts! Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 1019	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:36:00 - [493] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Chase FoTM. Keep FoTM. Not in favor of respec. - 32 million SP (some in bad places, but I own my decisions) Time to address the FoTM argument for the millionth time. yawn Vets are sitting on millions of unallocated SP, completely ready to jump on the 1.8 FoTM train whether there's a respec or not. There's no way to stop that. FoTM is inevitable. The only players hurt by a lack of a respec are those who are still in the middle of skilling their first role, i.e. those with <10-15mil SP, who are going to have a comparatively huge portion of their SP tied up in suits, upgrades, and weapons that will be obsolete when the powerful new content is introduced. A respec can only help even the playing field. Also, I know that I, and many other players, want particular suits and playstyles regardless of whether or not they turn out to be FoTM. A respec will allow us to preserve our battlefield roles despite 1.8's complete role overhaul (i.e. min logi going from speed hacker / scout-logi to the designated heavy humper).
echo47 Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:40:00 - [494] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: no one ever complained about MINMATAR SLAYER LOGI's. and since when was a minmatar logi ever good at equipement spam... it'd have to have only 500 ehp at proto... besides equipement spam isn't the true source of all the lagg, but the maps with all the extra textures that when combined with equipment cause a measure of lagg. no duh, bro respecs do not prevent changes. but they give the gamer a choice. and making choices is what MMO's are all about. So are you saying would not have choice in were to put your skill points if you don't get a respec? Logis wree compalined about constantly some even wanted to make them side arm only. The complaint about slayer logis were backed up with they are too good in every role, minmatar included. Guess what your logis now have a role and bonus to support it. If CCP gives a respec it will be as big a mistake as not resetting skills and isk at launch. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1738	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:11:00 - [495] - Quote I disagree with the idea of a respec/refund totally rude to those who have played a scout or commando for the last x amount of bullshit months. And the logis.....looool, their tears are epic, Keep em!!! You changed the stats...qq, well sorry guys you've had months of being everything but logis. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 1020	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:43:00 - [496] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I disagree with the idea of a respec/refund totally rude to those who have played a scout or commando for the last x amount of bullshit months. And the logis.....looool, their tears are epic, Keep em!!! You changed the stats...qq, well sorry guys you've had months of being everything but logis. IDGAF about the balance changes. My scouty hacker logi is being turned into the designated heavy humper. Sticking me with a massive role shift like that seems pretty "rude" too.
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 40	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:50:00 - [497] - Quote [quote=Zaaeed Massani]Here's my take on a SP refund, as a player intimately familiar with MMO's and FPS games but new to the EVE Universe (just under 5M SP): Then don"t talk like you know anything ok.... Whatever you said was lost to the cyberspace when you said under 5 million SP... I am sure you had a good argument... But the fact is, no matter how much SP you have, and I don't give a rats booty how much you saved to become this months Flavor "Of" The Month and CRY and CRY that those "Blueberries" do not need a respec..... Just because YOU saved SP and play a losing "Lobby Shooter" and want to stay "Top Dogs" Does not mean that the game has changed.... YES IT HAS CHANGED!!!! Time for CCP to suck the respec BALLZ and let everyone change the SP to where THEY want it... MANY have said, if the FoTM is just 1 more month like OP tanks... then let it be so... Because I can say open hearted... that commando suits will not amount to a pile of poo in 2 months... If so then guess what... the dust CCP part of the game we honestly wanted with MTAC'S (See TitanFall)and PvE and an open EVE- Dust -EVE player market, with options to run with EVE players for ninja tactics on big EVE ships.... Then the last Fan Fest with racial MCC's and Fighter type ships other than dropships.... MVAC's.... ALL Racial suits is all they can deliver... and AR weapons???? WTF
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 770	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:03:00 - [498] - Quote Just confirm the respec CCP. You can see that there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry.
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 13	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:15:00 - [499] - Quote Grammar and punctuation are your friend. Let me clean that up for you a bit... FarQue FromAfar wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Here's my take on a SP refund, as a player intimately familiar with MMO's and FPS games but new to the EVE Universe (just under 5M SP): Then don't talk like you know anything, ok? Whatever you said was lost to ~~the~~ cyberspace when you said under 5 million SP. I am sure you had a good argument. ~~but the fact is no matter how much SP you have~~ I don't give a rats booty how much you saved to become this month's "Flavor Of The Month" and CRY and CRY that those "Blueberries" do not need a respec..... Just because YOU saved SP and play a losing "Lobby Shooter" and want to stay "Top Dogs" does not mean that the game has changed. But, YES IT HAS CHANGED!!!! Time for CCP to suck the respec BALLZ and let everyone change their SP to where THEY want. MANY have said, if the FoTM is just 1 more month like OP tanks, then let it be so. Because I can say ~~open~~ wholeheartedly that commando suits will not amount to a pile of poo in 2 months. If so then guess what? The dust CCP part of the game we honestly wanted with MTAC'S (See TitanFall) and PvE and an open EVE - Dust - EVE player market, with options to run with EVE players for ninja tactics on big EVE ships, and then the last Fan Fest with racial MCC's and fighter type ships other than dropships, MVAC's, etc seems not to be. ALL Racial suits is all they can deliver...and AR weapons???? WTF There, that's better. Now, allow me to enlighten you as to the degree of idiocy you displayed. I am not a FotM fanboi. I am a RP'er through-and-through. I made my decision roll Gallente logi very carefully (as detailed in my above post which you clearly chose not to read. Moreover, I am 100% supportive of a refund of the three meta-trees affected by the proposed 1.8 changes. Now, go bother someone else. Shoo!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1808	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:36:00 - [500] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:37:00 - [501] - Quote Oki after some time WE have here approx 96proc. of COMMUNITY supported RESPEC. And CCP is STILL silent, its easy this was just PUSH from GLOBAL by CCP. Whats mean they DONT care at all. And i though logibro is for community, another dissapointing thing about DUST. By the way, i saw another duo who dont like idea and they still DONT sent some proper cons of OUR support for RESPEC. What is mean that four procents are just ignoration/trolling/selfishness. Quite sad, Quite SAD. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Loki Noveau Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 9	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:45:00 - [502] - Quote Personally, I'd like a refund come 1.8. If we don't get one, well, so be it. Just means I still have more SP to save up. Another solution is to make an Aurum-based Respec. Charge like 25,000 AUR or whatever to have a characters SP reset. If people REALLY want that respect they will just have to pay for it otherwise they will have to save up for their goals. Either way CCP makes money and we, the players, have the option of a respec if we want one....we'll just have to pay for it....in cold hard Aurum. Only downside is for people who can't purchase Aurum. I think if CCP could come up with an ISK to AUR converter that would solve that but yer...idk. Just a thought.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:59:00 - [503] - Quote Loki Noveau wrote: Personally, I'd like a refund come 1.8. If we don't get one, well, so be it. Just means I still have more SP to save up. Another solution is to make an Aurum-based Respec. Charge like 25,000 AUR or whatever to have a characters SP reset. If people REALLY want that respect they will just have to pay for it otherwise they will have to save up for their goals. Either way CCP makes money and we, the players, have the option of a respec if we want one....we'll just have to pay for it....in cold hard Aurum. Only downside is for people who can't purchase Aurum. I think if CCP could come up with an ISK to AUR converter that would solve that but yer...idk. Just a thought. No at all, i dindt made DECISSIONS what make game different. Thats RESON why im for FULL RESPEC for everyone from COMMUNITY who want RESPEC. Its easy, COMMUNITY ask for it and HONESTLY after whole that TRYING by CCP was mostly CONTRAPRODUCTIVE. Now they should faces THEIR faults and listen to US, the COMMUNITY of dust. They already lost my TRUST and i think iam NOT the only one, who FEELING it like this. WHY we should pay for CCPS decissions and faults. WORD NEVER works LIKE this. If i make mistake its my fault and NOBODY will pay for it, just ME and my DIGNITY. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11344	Posted - 2014.02.22 18:26:00 - [504] - Quote DUST 514 is real life, and in real life you cannot change what you know No respecs ever because then DUST wouldn't be real life and I would be forced to cancel my EVE subscription and rain tears upon the internet over how CCP ruined my real life with their respec. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 1027	Posted - 2014.02.22 18:49:00 - [505] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come. As for the players who don't care enough to ever read the forums, I can't imagine any of them would be disappointed to log in after 1.8 to discover that the role overhaul and introduction of racial parity for suits came with a full infantry respec.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 18:55:00 - [506] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: DUST 514 is real life, and in real life you cannot change what you know No respecs ever because then DUST wouldn't be real life and I would be forced to cancel my EVE subscription and rain tears upon the internet over how CCP ruined my real life with their respec. Still here? I have been watching from the shadows. They are all the same arguments and reasons we have had since the game was released almost one year ago. Same, exact thing over and over and over and over... Nothing new or fun. Both sides have valid points and both sides have junk points. This thread quit making me laugh so I thought I would throw another nugget out there for my fans to read and rage about. DUST is set in a persistent universe in which time (except TiDi) moves at this universe's time. Things in that universe, even in DUST, may not tangibly real but it is real and it is real life, my wife plays Roller Derby and her alter ego there is just as real as our alter egos are here. People know us by our opinions and our in game actions and when you boil it down to the the very basics the most important thing real people have is time. Our time in this game makes it real because that is all we really have as real people is time. Time spent in this game for some is the same amount as it would take to get an associate's degree. We shouldn't invalidate peoples time by saying it isn't real life because it is. You are right, you cannot change what you know but you can add to it and that is as real as it gets. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1363	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:04:00 - [507] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a ****** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11350	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:04:00 - [508] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: DUST 514 is real life, and in real life you cannot change what you know No respecs ever because then DUST wouldn't be real life and I would be forced to cancel my EVE subscription and rain tears upon the internet over how CCP ruined my real life with their respec. Still here? I have been watching from the shadows. They are all the same arguments and reasons we have had since the game was released almost one year ago. Same, exact thing over and over and over and over... Nothing new or fun. Both sides have valid points and both sides have junk points. This thread quit making me laugh so I thought I would throw another nugget out there for my fans to read and rage about. DUST is set in a persistent universe in which time (except TiDi) moves at this universe's time. Things in that universe, even in DUST, may not tangibly real but it is real and it is real life, my wife plays Roller Derby and her alter ego there is just as real as our alter egos are here. People know us by our opinions and our in game actions and when you boil it down to the the very basics the most important thing real people have is time. Our time in this game makes it real because that is all we really have as real people is time. Time spent in this game for some is the same amount as it would take to get an associate's degree. We shouldn't invalidate peoples time by saying it isn't real life because it is. You are right, you cannot change what you know but you can add to it and that is as real as it gets. There are two kinds of people I suppose Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:09:00 - [509] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come. As for the players who don't care enough to ever read the forums, I can't imagine any of them would be disappointed to log in after 1.8 to discover that the role overhaul and introduction of racial parity for suits came with a full infantry respec. Of course they do and it is because every other game does it in one shape or another. No other game I am aware of does their universe like New Eden and people can't handle it. They want what they want and they want to change it when they want and New Eden doesn't always work that way. "The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come." A loud minority shouldn't rule, ever. The owner, best qualified, duly elected or a representative of majority should dictate what should happen. Democracies fail like communism, it looks good on paper and it works for a while but once the entity hits a certain age or population it fail cascades back to its roots or dies all together. Letting the players totally dictate this game is the worst mistake CCP could make. 10 years of EVE didn't come from players dictating game development, it came from players interacting with the developers. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:12:00 - [510] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: DUST 514 is real life, and in real life you cannot change what you know No respecs ever because then DUST wouldn't be real life and I would be forced to cancel my EVE subscription and rain tears upon the internet over how CCP ruined my real life with their respec. Still here? I have been watching from the shadows. They are all the same arguments and reasons we have had since the game was released almost one year ago. Same, exact thing over and over and over and over... Nothing new or fun. Both sides have valid points and both sides have junk points. This thread quit making me laugh so I thought I would throw another nugget out there for my fans to read and rage about. DUST is set in a persistent universe in which time (except TiDi) moves at this universe's time. Things in that universe, even in DUST, may not tangibly real but it is real and it is real life, my wife plays Roller Derby and her alter ego there is just as real as our alter egos are here. People know us by our opinions and our in game actions and when you boil it down to the the very basics the most important thing real people have is time. Our time in this game makes it real because that is all we really have as real people is time. Time spent in this game for some is the same amount as it would take to get an associate's degree. We shouldn't invalidate peoples time by saying it isn't real life because it is. You are right, you cannot change what you know but you can add to it and that is as real as it gets. There are two kinds of people I suppose All I am saying is time spent makes it real. History isn't tangible either, we can't interact with it, change it or anything like that and we consider it real. Most of history isn't recorded in detail or on some piece of paper but that doesn't make it not real. Time is the only real thing we have because if you don't have time you are dead. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 1028	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:33:00 - [511] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come. As for the players who don't care enough to ever read the forums, I can't imagine any of them would be disappointed to log in after 1.8 to discover that the role overhaul and introduction of racial parity for suits came with a full infantry respec. Of course they do and it is because every other game does it in one shape or another. No other game I am aware of does their universe like New Eden and people can't handle it. They want what they want and they want to change it when they want and New Eden doesn't always work that way. "The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come." A loud minority shouldn't rule, ever. The owner, best qualified, duly elected or a representative of majority should dictate what should happen. Democracies fail like communism, it looks good on paper and it works for a while but once the entity hits a certain age or population it fail cascades back to its roots or dies all together. Letting the players totally dictate this game is the worst mistake CCP could make. 10 years of EVE didn't come from players dictating game development, it came from players interacting with the developers. I didn't mean that a majority in favor should actually be the deciding factor- I was simply responding to Aikuchi's statement that almost no one cared about respecs. What should matter is the logical arguments on each side, and in this case I feel that the players have advanced a sufficient number of reasonable arguments that, assuming this is a conversation between the players and developers and not just a one-sided open letter, a respec should be granted.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:34:00 - [512] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a ****** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outburst of emotion. My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:41:00 - [513] - Quote The only reason for a respec is because the racial suits should have been in the game before beta ended and this will allow people to have their racial suits without having to save XP. It will also allow the game to have variety instead of having to wait for everyone to get more XP. Not to mention a complete respec would give those of us in the middle sp range the ability to potentially compete with the proto-stompers. ER well unless Scotty makes matches even more one sided.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:04:00 - [514] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a **** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion.** My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. Reported For Trolling
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:07:00 - [515] - Quote I am contributing to the discussions, I just like to do it in a way they make people want to say something. I am not doing it just to make people mad. Little pokes. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1028	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:11:00 - [516] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a **** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion.** My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. Reported For Trolling He's playing the role of devil's advocate, and playing it well. It's useful- he's helped refine the arguments as to why a respec is warranted. If CCP just saw a bunch of blathering on here, it likely wouldn't sway their opinion. But if CCP sees their internal arguments against one advanced by a forum member and then responded to in a logical, reasonable way, we may actually get what we want and deserve. Unwad thy panties.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:19:00 - [517] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a **** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion.** My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. Reported For Trolling He's playing the role of devil's advocate, and playing it well. It's useful- he's helped refine the arguments as to why a respec is warranted. If CCP just saw a bunch of blathering on here, it likely wouldn't sway their opinion. But if CCP sees their internal arguments against one advanced by a forum member and then responded to in a logical, reasonable way, we may actually get what we want and deserve. Unwad thy panties. Yes, there is always a purpose. It may be crazy but it has reason, we need less emotion and more thought. I bork things up sometimes, to err is human but I hope that I bring arguments to the table that weren't thought about by others and I enjoy reading ideas and thoughts others have. The community usually has the right answers but knowing which is the most right or best is the hard part. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:33:00 - [518] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-¦re looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a **** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion. My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. Reported For Trolling He's playing the role of devil's advocate, and playing it well. It's useful- he's helped refine the arguments as to why a respec is warranted. If CCP just saw a bunch of blathering on here, it likely wouldn't sway their opinion. But if CCP sees their internal arguments against one advanced by a forum member and then responded to in a logical, reasonable way, we may actually get what we want and deserve. Unwad thy panties**. Sigh .... Something about countless posts dealing with every single possible counter to a respec dealt with in a logical and reasonable manner Sigh .... Something about CPMs Sigh .... Something about needing actual anti respec people with actual issues with a respec to mention them so we can discuss them rather than speaking to a troll making troll arguments to illicit emotional responses Sigh .... Something about Ending with a troll comment isn't the best way to illicit a tangible response from another person There's so much wrong with your post that I don't know where to begin ... you know what ... it's a saturday and I simply can't be bothered talking to you, use the points above and fill in the gaps yourself Walks to the kitchen to grab a beer
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:47:00 - [519] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME!!! Master of the Flaylock
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11367	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:11:00 - [520] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: All I am saying is time spent makes it real. History isn't tangible either, we can't interact with it, change it or anything like that and we consider it real. Most of history isn't recorded in detail or on some piece of paper but that doesn't make it not real. Time is the only real thing we have because if you don't have time you are dead. I don't know how that's relevant to anything in a video game. The only thing that matters is how much SP you have, because that's what you've worked for. If CCP wants to stop respec culture, then they need to stop shuffling around everyone's roles. It's one thing to nerf / buff things by a few % here and there. It's another thing entirely to continually show your player base that you don't even have a stable foundation to build upon. Show us that you're committed to making a persistent universe, and then we can talk about persistent decisions. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:15:00 - [521] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME!!! Rikaato Hako Suuolo Kirjuun This is the SIMPLEST and most TRUE axplenation. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
echo47 Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:20:00 - [522] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Egonz4 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME YOU AQRE GIVING US WHAT WE ASKED FOR!!! Rikaato Hako Suuolo Kirjuun This is the SIMPLEST and most TRUE axplenation. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1708	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:07:00 - [523] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: All I am saying is time spent makes it real. History isn't tangible either, we can't interact with it, change it or anything like that and we consider it real. Most of history isn't recorded in detail or on some piece of paper but that doesn't make it not real. Time is the only real thing we have because if you don't have time you are dead. I don't know how that's relevant to anything in a video game. The only thing that matters is how much SP you have, because that's what you've worked for. If CCP wants to stop respec culture, then they need to stop shuffling around everyone's roles. It's one thing to nerf / buff things by a few % here and there. It's another thing entirely to continually show your player base that you don't even have a stable foundation to build upon. Show us that you're committed to making a persistent universe, and then we can talk about persistent decisions. I 100% totally agree. Changing everything at once does make a repec almost mandatory. It all goes back to content. The suits weren't there and players weren't given an opportunity to choose what they wanted or liked. The worst part about a refund would be that about 4-6 weeks after deployment all the suits will probably change in some way and we are going to be back here. Been reading this topic for over a year now and it is the same thing over and over. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11393	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:44:00 - [524] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: All I am saying is time spent makes it real. History isn't tangible either, we can't interact with it, change it or anything like that and we consider it real. Most of history isn't recorded in detail or on some piece of paper but that doesn't make it not real. Time is the only real thing we have because if you don't have time you are dead. I don't know how that's relevant to anything in a video game. The only thing that matters is how much SP you have, because that's what you've worked for. If CCP wants to stop respec culture, then they need to stop shuffling around everyone's roles. It's one thing to nerf / buff things by a few % here and there. It's another thing entirely to continually show your player base that you don't even have a stable foundation to build upon. Show us that you're committed to making a persistent universe, and then we can talk about persistent decisions. I 100% totally agree. Changing everything at once does make a repec almost mandatory. It all goes back to content. The suits weren't there and players weren't given an opportunity to choose what they wanted or liked. The worst part about a refund would be that about 4-6 weeks after deployment all the suits will probably change in some way and we are going to be back here. Been reading this topic for over a year now and it is the same thing over and over. People can complain all they want Strictly % adjustments have never been a reason for a respec, and only bads argue that it is. That's not what this potential 1.8 respec is about, but I think this thread has beaten that horse to death already. People can stamp their feet all they want for a respec, if CCP has built a foundation that is primarily stable, they can suck it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1125	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:09:00 - [525] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Chase FoTM. Keep FoTM. Not in favor of respec. - 32 million SP (some in bad places, but I own my decisions) Time to address the FoTM argument for the millionth time. yawn Vets are sitting on millions of unallocated SP, completely ready to jump on the 1.8 FoTM train whether there's a respec or not. There's no way to stop that. FoTM is inevitable. Actually, there is: Don't offer respecs for anything but the most severe of circumstances so that they have to think twice about dumping 3-5 months of SP into something that might benefit them just for the remainder of the month. The ones being able to do this for more than a few cycles without compromizing their original skill plan are on the far high end of the bell curve and thus limited in numbers. Awry Barux wrote: The only players hurt by a lack of a respec are those who are still in the middle of skilling their first role, i.e. those with <10-15mil SP, who are going to have a comparatively huge portion of their SP tied up in suits, upgrades, and weapons that will be obsolete when the powerful new content is introduced. You seem to imply that every addition of content must necessarily make a large number of builds obsolete. That would be the case only if new content were intentionally more powerful than what is already available i.e. powercreep were an intented part of CCPs content design. It is not. Balance hiccups happen and will continue to happen. That does not mean that we will never reach a state of reasonable balance where a sensible build can survive a patch with minor adjustments. Oh and the very first thing you should focus on as a new player are core skills and those are pretty resistant to balance changes anyway. A character with <10m SP should not have most of his SP into suits, modules etc. in the first place. Awry Barux wrote: A respec can only help even the playing field. It evens the playing field towards the high end. Salvaging 30% of your "wasted" SP buys someone with <5-10m (already several months into the game) some core skills and a proto suit, maybe with a portion of the mods needed to justify even fielding one. If a respec was the thing someone needed to become competitive, chances are, he wasn't too far off to begin with. Now think about what 30% of 20-30m SP get you. Respecs increase the overall performance pressure put upon new players and amplify the importance of raw SP over smart allocation. Awry Barux wrote: Also, I know that I, and many other players, want particular suits and playstyles regardless of whether or not they turn out to be FoTM. A respec will allow us to preserve our battlefield roles despite 1.8's complete role overhaul (i.e. min logi going from speed hacker / scout-logi to the designated heavy humper). I commend you attitute and tend to agree with this point overall. That's why i think that, if 1.8 comes with full racial symmetry or at least very close to it, that's as good a time to issue one final respec as it gets. Overall though, i think, repeated respecs are hugely detrimental to the game as a whole and should be avoided if at all possible. That leads me to my final point. I can't help but note that many posts in this thread leave me wondering whether they argue for: A One final respec at some point in the future, otherwise only when necessary for technical reasons. B Paid or otherwise recurring respec as a game feature. C No respecs, period. Especially A and B use some of the same arguments, yet argue for vastly different things and many posters who might seem to be C could actually just take A for granted and thus just skip that part. We might be fighting unnecessary battles by ommiting what specifically we're arguing for. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11398	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:44:00 - [526] - Quote Most players with over 10 million SP don't really have too much "wasted" SP. Most vets know where to put their sp and specifically planned out builds to avoid any needless waste. It's the newer players who tend to waste that SP. Giving them the chance to fix their mistakes, nevermind the chance to make informed decisions with the new foundation in place, can only serve to help them. A vet switching from one maxed out 20 million SP build to another has virtually no effect on anything but that players own enjoyment. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1125	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:35:00 - [527] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Most players with over 10 million SP don't really have too much "wasted" SP. Most vets know where to put their sp and specifically planned out builds to avoid any needless waste. It's the newer players who tend to waste that SP. Giving them the chance to fix their mistakes, nevermind the chance to make informed decisions with the new foundation in place, can only serve to help them. A vet switching from one maxed out 20 million SP build to another has virtually no effect on anything but that players own enjoyment. Everyone makes these mistakes, at least on their first character, and everyone figures them out rather sooner than later. The vet has just reached the point where it doesn't make that large a difference in relation due to the higher absolute SP count he has. The current literally perfect veteran characters are merely a consequence of the two respecs they had the "pleasure" of experiencing (cough cal logi, flaylockcough). The large relative amount of wasted SP a new player could fix through respecs is generally small in absolute terms and nets very limited benefit to them in the long run. The months of SP a vet gets to shove around with every respec, whatever the motivation, grants him much more (potential) benefit in comparison. Your last statement has to assume a reasonably balanced, stable game environment to follow -one in which new players would be able to make said informed decisions. I'd argue that players can and should be trusted to make their own skill decisions without the prospect of regular respecs at that point anyway. An optional respec after X amount of SP that cannot be stored, If anything, would suffice for new players without giving vets an option they were never intended to have. Diversification should be a consequence of high SP counts and not respecs after all. Again, i'm strongly in favor of a "final" respec once all current content is (mostly) racially symmetric and the current suit changes pose a strong argument aswell. What i'm arguing against is the notion that respecs are a worthwhile feature in and on themselves. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11416	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:28:00 - [528] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: What i'm arguing against is the notion that respecs are a worthwhile feature in and on themselves. See, I am and I'm not torn at the same time. First and foremost, I accept that CCP wants to have a persistent universe where your decisions matter. I can respect that, so long as they can respect it as well by only doing light balance passes instead of these drastic shake ups that we keep getting. From that perspective, I have not and do not argue even for annual respecs. However, speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, I literally can see absolutely no harm in allowing respecs at will. It literally has no effect on anyone but the person who is shuffling around their SP. All it lets them do is enjoy the game how they want to, plain and simple. So, while I would never propose or ask for anything even close to that, I also don't see how it causes any damage in game. It would definitely damage AUR sales, so for that reason alone it would never happen, but just speaking objectively, respecs really only hurt peoples roleplaying. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1126	Posted - 2014.02.23 08:06:00 - [529] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: What i'm arguing against is the notion that respecs are a worthwhile feature in and on themselves. See, I am and I'm not torn at the same time. First and foremost, I accept that CCP wants to have a persistent universe where your decisions matter. I can respect that, so long as they can respect it as well by only doing light balance passes instead of these drastic shake ups that we keep getting. From that perspective, I have not and do not argue even for annual respecs. However, speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, I literally can see absolutely no harm in allowing respecs at will. It literally has no effect on anyone but the person who is shuffling around their SP. All it lets them do is enjoy the game how they want to, plain and simple. So, while I would never propose or ask for anything even close to that, I also don't see how it causes any damage in game. It would definitely damage AUR sales, so for that reason alone it would never happen, but just speaking objectively, respecs really only hurt peoples roleplaying. There are a few things i'm worried about: First off, i'll just link this piece from several months ago. The first paragraph deals with the "decisions => consequences" jadda and argues that it, while any individual might or might not agree, in itself has a certain justification to exist. The rest explains two particular dynamics that are pretty much unique to EVE/DUST which add long term value for both vets and noobs. Adding respecs (I'll assume we are talking about a feature from now on) would remove this whole dynamic. A loss for people like me and, i'd argue, a loss for everyone as it makes the game more stale, even if not initially perceived that way. Next up replayability: In every progression system that is not a WoW clone, half the accomplishment of an endgame viable/competitive build is getting there. I'd argue that the long, often tedious and error prone process of making a powerfull, efficient fit is something many players enjoy and there is literally no other product in the market that provides both a classic FPS experience and a deep, harsh yet rewarding progression system to really sink their teeth in and theorycraft around. Respeccing at will reduces this process to the press of a button, possibly coupled with a financial transaction. Kittened up yo fit? Doesn't even matter, click here to try again! You made the perfect fit? So did everybody else who bothered to look at the current PC paradigms and had some spare change (if a paid "service"). For some players punishing faulty skill choices is depressing and balance changes that wreck your fit are discouraging and unfair. For others, making the right decisions and adapting to changes out of their control are part of the game, if not even central to it. One group of players finds a suitable product in almost every modern FPS, especially some of the better F2P ones for PC offer great customization with simple and fair ways to deal with changes. The other has Dust aaand...nothing else really. The last thing, albeit a bit of a stretch is a big concern of mine: Future Economy. The dust economy will most likely end up being similarly complex and engaging as the EVE one in order for them to merge at some point. That means a huge swath of skills with multipliers ranging from 1 to 16, materials, facilities and all that jazz at least on the EVE side of things. What does an industrialist do if his best running product, e.g. the PRO RR, gets nerfed and people start to switch to the CR? Without respecs, people will mostly be stuck with their RR at first because the CR needs a minni suit to really kick off and an immediate jump is only feasible for those with enough foresight or luck to either have all needed skills already or enough SP saved up to do the transition. The trader would have an opportunity timeframe to adapt ASAP and be the first to produce the CR en masse for huge margins. With respecs? The trader loses the majority of his sales after the patchnotes go live, but before the actual patch gets released. The only way get adapt is to quickly respec all relevant industry skills or be out of busines (so to speak) and the whole process can be over within a few days. The eve side cannot respec. How many capsuleers will spend months of training and possibly trillions of isk to engage in a market so volatile? Keep in mind that they can not possibly prepare for this stuff by just saving SP. I know that all these points are more or less affected by: Bad balance Lack of content Lack of game modes (PVE) Unfun mechanics The important part is that balance can only be improved by better balancing -content/modes by adding more of it and PC won't be less of a nigh pointless isk faucet if people can respec. Respecs are a simple and seemingly intuitive way to refresh the game by trying all the stuff out until the actual game gets fun or to make it less punishing for new players until we get them a venue to actually learn the game. But looking at the last respecs we had, none of these issues have gotten any more bearable beyond the first week or so. Respecs, to me seem like a dangerous excuse for CCP to let all these unadressed for longer than necessary because, hey, they're adding respecs... I'd rather they fix the game, honestly. TL;DR: ^ 5500 characters of text ^ You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.02.23 08:25:00 - [530] - Quote @ DUST Fiend I totally agree; i'm still young in this game, and even though i have spent my SP wisely, the changes that are coming won't really let me play the suit i built. I chose the caldari assault suit because of the shield bonuses, but the suits in 1.8 look like they're going to affect weapons i don't like and won't use. I can appreciate what CCP is trying to do, i do like the new changes, and i'll definitely be playing more, but i spent a fair amount of AUR on this game trying to build the suit that i wanted, and even though that suit won't be useless, the only benefit i'll get from it is a lower price than the basic model. I heard someone say that a respec wouldn't help new players and i call bullisht on that one, iv'e been saving my SP since I found out about the new patch in case i'm forced to buy a new suit. And while some of these people continue to go around protostomping and loltanking my fellow blueberries, my progress has been effectively handicapped in anticipation of sweeping changes that i might have to eat, good changes, fun changes, but changes i couldn't possibly have seen coming that invalidate my entire reason for skilling up in the first place. Whether you love it or hate it, that's your business. But i feel that a repec would be a prudent choice on CCP's part and more than warranted in this case.

501st Headstrong Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2014.02.23 12:51:00 - [531] - Quote I am posting once again because my last post was as indiscernible as Disney's potential Star Wars Films. I am in favour of a respec because: It will allow people to racially go with what they like and add a certain consistency with the game, at least for me. I plan on speccing into Minmatar only suits. More so however, there is content that is getting nerfed, weapons that people no longer want, suits people wish to have now that the bonuses of their current ones are most likely being changed. In 1.8, everyone should be getting a clean slate to start over, at least SP Wise. It would also be a good act to the community since well, you gave us 100 HK4M shotguns and 50 "Hellmar" Sentinel suits to celebrate 1 year of Dust. Guess what, I have no skills into either of those categories. A respec would allow me to experience what only heavies and scouts have gained (I'm an Assault). If we do not get a respec in 1.8, then act least make it at the end of Uprising/ Uprising 2.0. That is when you give us the big shebang of Isk AND SP, just like last build. I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 23	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:16:00 - [532] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: What i'm arguing against is the notion that respecs are a worthwhile feature in and on themselves. See, I am and I'm not torn at the same time. [snip] It would definitely damage AUR sales, so for that reason alone it would never happen, but just speaking objectively, respecs really only hurt peoples roleplaying. For the record, I am against respecs being implemented as a feature. I personally just want to streamline my SP choices. But if they did make respecs a feature...one that cost Aurum...I wonder if it would still hurt Aurum sales.
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 462	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:38:00 - [533] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
noname warrior Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:11:00 - [534] - Quote Respec into HAV since the tank fit seems to be the only viable option if you don't want to continue to be infantry road kill. Then, rename the game "Tank 514" and be done with it. Or perhaps "514 Tanks"?
Vakki Yuki Eastern Aexun Society 10	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:59:00 - [535] - Quote I'm just going to assume CCP has abandoned us and that we're not getting the respec we deserve. Tired of wasting my effort on games that go full ****. Goodbye, Dust. Hope you guys get your ** straight. Titanfall, here I come. Specialization in improvisation.
Ghost Steps Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:58:00 - [536] - Quote i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 9	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:50:00 - [537] - Quote Ghost Steps wrote: i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games. Why only one? What if they pull another across the board stat switch? Respects should be mandated whenever any changes to the meta are made. We cannot make informed decisions in how we place our sp when they are playing musical stats. Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1040	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:05:00 - [538] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Ghost Steps wrote: i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games. Why only one? What if they pull another across the board stat switch? Respects should be mandated whenever any changes to the meta are made. We cannot make informed decisions in how we place our sp when they are playing musical stats. Heh that's a great turn of phrase. "Musical stats" I'm going to remember that one.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1128	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:08:00 - [539] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Ghost Steps wrote: i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games. Why only one? What if they pull another across the board stat switch? Respects should be mandated whenever any changes to the meta are made. We cannot make informed decisions in how we place our sp when they are playing musical stats. Because your definition would lead to a respec every single patch, leaving the skillsystem with basically no worthwhile function beyond a pointless powergrind. At that point just gutting the SP system altogether and going with ordinary character levels would be more sensible as that is effectively what the progression would boil down to. The market is full of games that do just that. Again. Bad balance is bad balance is bad balance! Respecs have nothing to do with it. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 10	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:36:00 - [540] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: Ghost Steps wrote: i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games. Why only one? What if they pull another across the board stat switch? Respects should be mandated whenever any changes to the meta are made. We cannot make informed decisions in how we place our sp when they are playing musical stats. Because your definition would lead to a respec every single patch, leaving the skillsystem with basically no worthwhile function beyond a pointless powergrind. At that point just gutting the SP system altogether and going with ordinary character levels would be more sensible as that is effectively what the progression would boil down to. The market is full of games that do just that. Again. Bad balance is bad balance is bad balance! Respecs have nothing to do with it. Really? Every time, huh? Yeah, I can't recall the last time they changed dropsuit functions. I've been around since 1.4 and this is the first time it's happened to me. Also, I've never had a full respec so I see no reason why I shouldn't get one since my allocation of skill points no longer do what they did when I applied them. A pointless power bring? That's exactly what I would call not having any say in what you spec into. It's like making a Mage character then midway through the game they make you a priest. Whenever major changes occur, they either let us change with it or deal with the backlash. It's simple, really. There's no down side to a respec, period. There are only pro's. I think an annual respec should be standard. Let's people optimize and correct their mistakes. You guys arguing against a respec make absolutely no sense. Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.

Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 0	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:41:00 - [541] - Quote +1 for Infantry Respec - you did it on vehicles after they were radically changed, why not here where 90% of the gameplay is? EvE would indeed be horribly broken if this happened, but DUST is not EvE. We don't run the risk of ever industrial 5 year alt transforming into yet another super-cap pilot to add to the masses. This is not a 'break down once, break down always' argument either. DUST is still early in its development into a 'stable' shooter game. (Reference: plasma cannons, dropship costs, installations, one heavy suit set, only one set for a whole race (Caldari), proto-stomping...you get the idea. Getting new players - and keeping the current ones - is ever so important right now to ensure continued development and polishing. The more people raging about X is broken or Y is OP, the more help the game gets. It's hard to try out all the new crap about to hit in 1.8 when our skills are locked into such a relatively small portion (the original gear) of the game. A respec in DUST (especially with all the new suits coming for racials) is critical. Also, I think you'll see a fleshing out of play styles and suit types and even more vehicle users who can use any wasted sp there instead. With the suits all fleshed out across all races, all that's left is fleshing out the racial vehicles. Once all races are on an even field in terms of available options, you end sp resetting forever - hence why you don't do it in EVE. Every new ship EvE gets is available to ALL races at the same distance. I imagine when vehicles get added to finalize the initial 12 (4 LAV, 4 HAV, 4 Drops - each race) you'll need another vehicle sp reset. Stat changes don't warrant a respec because they affect all racial variants or are targeted to maintain balance - not break it. If your xyz gun gets nerfed, too bad! It was OP but the nerf didn't break it - no respec. Likewise, if 123 gun gets buffed and you're not skilled for it, tough luck - its users needed the buff. No respec. Get all four races on even footing - all suit variations and vehicle variations. 1.8 solves the suits, so respec for a clean restart - any new suit types will be added for all four races (EX: I doubt CCP will launch just the gallente pilot suit - it will do all four at once.). Then (maybe 1.9?) add the missing vehicles (Min/Amarr) and do one last vehicle reset. Done! Remember: racial will matter even more after 1.8 for Faction Warfare because the loyalty stores are racial specific weapons! /endrant
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1129	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:08:00 - [542] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Really? Every time, huh? Yeah, I can't recall the last time they changed dropsuit functions. I've been around since 1.4 and this is the first time it's happened to me. You said changes in meta. Every balance change or content addition, by definition, will change the meta, if even slightly. Brian LaFleur wrote: Also, I've never had a full respec so I see no reason why I shouldn't get one since my allocation of skill points no longer do what they did when I applied them. This will happen all the time. You are free see this as a crippling issue. Others are free to not share this notion or beg to differ. Also balance is balance. Brian LaFleur wrote: A pointless power bring? That's exactly what I would call not having any say in what you spec into. It's like making a Mage character then midway through the game they make you a priest. Whenever major changes occur, they either let us change with it or deal with the backlash. It's simple, really. Yet another time: Bad balance is bad balance. You keep tieing balance into the discussion as if it had anything to do with respecs. It has not. Respecs merely both mask and at the same time amplify an issue that exists regardless. Also "major" is a useless term without a proper definition. Brian LaFleur wrote: There's no down side to a respec, period. There are only pro's. That's a bold assertion to make when I just explained some in detail a few posts earlier. Brian LaFleur wrote: I think an annual respec should be standard. Let's people optimize and correct their mistakes. You guys arguing against a respec make absolutely no sense. They totally can already. No skill is ever locked away under the current system. Lastly, hardly anyone here is arguing against "A" respec. You are not arguing in favor of "A" respec right now either. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1790	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:30:00 - [543] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Basically confirmed. Kinda. Sorry CCP, but you don't put up a "Discussion Thread" on a topic without really putting your mind to the idea. And your minds are a sticky as glue when it comes to ideas. I wouldn't turn down a respec, but I don't think its necessary. Translation- If you give me respec you make me extremely happy, but if you don't then it won't make me want to kill your Company Kitten. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Egypt Musk RisingSuns 145	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:28:00 - [544] - Quote I have been waiting for the Cladari Heavy for along time +1 to an infantry respec I would give my pros and cons and effect of this happening but I am lazy and there valid arguments are all over this thread already do the right thing CCP allow the infantry the same curtsey you gave tank ds and lav users ps .... 31 mill sp maxed all core skills ...I just want my suits and gun sp back due to new racial skills
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 750	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:31:00 - [545] - Quote HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED, RESPEC CONFIRMED! Buying all BALAC's SOONGäó (P2P Market PLEASE CCP)
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 45	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:26:00 - [546] - Quote F it! Let start at Zero! Everyone can cry all at once. Simple and easy fix. And I promise the vets will still stomp the poop out of your fits. Plus the heavies can be on top for a short while. "Long live the Empress, unless you have some isk"
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 228	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:46:00 - [547] - Quote Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1129	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:01:00 - [548] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. No one has even implied that this thread would do anything but streamline the discussion. You should re-read the OP and manage your expectations. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1713	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:23:00 - [549] - Quote Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1714	Posted - 2014.02.24 06:02:00 - [550] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED, RESPEC CONFIRMED! vc quer comecar um novo filo sobre esse assunto no portugues? eu quero um respec. E o CCP nao querem dar-nos a justica mesmo. nos tinha desrepeitado. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1714	Posted - 2014.02.24 06:05:00 - [551] - Quote 28 pages later and no response. Im starting a REAL respec discusion thread in general discusion. As long as people don't spam the general discusion forum with these threads it won't get locked. Since, CCP doesn't want to discuss it with us, we should be able to discuss it among ourselves in a free environment. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 760	Posted - 2014.02.24 06:07:00 - [552] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED, RESPEC CONFIRMED! vc quer comecar um novo filo sobre esse assunto no portugues? eu quero um respec. E o CCP nao querem dar-nos a justica mesmo. nos tinha desrepeitado. Nem se preocupe amigo, eles v+úo nos dar um respec Buying all BALAC's SOONGäó (P2P Market PLEASE CCP)
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1130	Posted - 2014.02.24 06:09:00 - [553] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: 28 pages later and no response. Im starting a REAL respec discusion thread in general discusion. As long as people don't spam the general discusion forum with these threads it won't get locked. Since, CCP doesn't want to discuss it with us, we should be able to discuss it among ourselves in a free environment. CCP Logibro wrote: Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted You too should re-read the OP, it seems. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 525	Posted - 2014.02.24 07:01:00 - [554] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. And you cant fix stupid 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1131	Posted - 2014.02.24 08:49:00 - [555] - Quote Just a little food for thought This poll by CPM Jenza asked participants to order several features according to their own priorities, among which an aurum respec feature could be found. It goes without saying that online polls are generally prone to selection bias and methodological flaws, like double voting. Here's the current results, representing the average position (n=289): 3.8 PvE 4.1 Player Market 5.3 Racial Suit Parity 7.3 Enhanced new player experience 7.4 More Heavy Weapons 7.6 Planetary Conquest 2.0 7.8 Minmatar & Amar Vehicles 9.8 More Light Weapons 10.1 Private Matches 10.4 More Sidearm Weapons 10.4 Tieracide 10.8 VTOL Jets 10.9 Dust on PS4 11.2 Paint Bucket (custom suit/vehicle colours) 12.2 Stealth Module 13.7 Dust on Computer 13.8 EVE - Dust Unified forums 14.1 Aurum Respec Item (with restrictions) Another poll by Ghost Kaisar asked specifically what, if any, kind of respec should happen with the release of 1.8 Here are the results (n=436): 26 No Respec 15 Dropsuit Command Respec 8 Dropsuit Command, AND Dropsuit Upgrades Respec 101 Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, AND Weapons Respec 286 Full Respec Personal conclusion: While participating users expressed a general concensus in favor of a singular respec, come 1.8, probably due to the upcoming suit changes and the prospect of major content additions, a similar consensus seem to exist against respecs as a AUR game feature. Again, due to the nature of both these polls, taking these results with a 1m-¦ brick of salt is recommended. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Dravok Silverblood Tight Crew 6	Posted - 2014.02.24 11:22:00 - [556] - Quote I don't want a re-spec personally. EVE and DUST 514 should be cold and cruel like space. I do see a reason to allow for players to do a re-spec but make them pay for it. Literally First re-spec 20.00 USD Second re-spec 30.00 USD Third re-spec 40.00 USD And keep that going at 10 USD increase till a cap out or maximum per year. I think one respec per month would be max. Also i think anyone that respects starts with a new KDR. Life time war-points, and win-loss ratio. So people on the leader boards earn it by keeping there toon the same. not taking a cheaters short cut.. And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1079	Posted - 2014.02.24 13:02:00 - [557] - Quote Dravok Silverblood wrote: And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game. And that is how you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, since booster sales fall through the floor.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11500	Posted - 2014.02.24 15:15:00 - [558] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.02.24 16:37:00 - [559] - Quote the only reason ppl don't want respecs is because they have 30 to 40 mil sp and have saved 3-5 mill sp for this 1.8 action. they don't want all the new players and ppl who didn't save sp to compete with them because these ppl like to feel OVERPOWERED probably because there real life sucks and them feeling OVERPOWERED is the only joy in there life I have 37 mill sp and i have saved 3 mill sp witch is enough to get a good start to 1.8 and im not worried about it at all il be fine. but all the new players that have like 12 mill sp cant afford to save because there still working on drop suit upgrades and maxing weapons and getting proto suits. new players will have even a bigger gap to cross to be able to compete with all these 30 mill plus toons and thus new players will just stop playing. i think the fact that ppl are saving points to spend in 1.8 should q a respec in its own. you cant save points to spend for future eve skills(and you wouldn't have to because all the base ships are out unlike dust with missing drop suits and weps) if i started this game and all the suits were out my skill points would be distributed very differently let alone changing stats and bonuses witch is a key reason why ppl spec into certain suits in the first place. A respec would help the new players more then the old (mainly because most ppl screw up and spend points in skills they dont want) new players would be able to spend there points more wisely but if they don't il be fine with it because il have such a superior toon to wipe the floor with all these 12 mill sp noobs and i guess ccp roles like that.
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:08:00 - [560] - Quote Yes, I would like a respec. It just seems like a given with all the changes to suits, bonuses, and equipment. I would love a respec and I'm sure everyone that's specedd into swarms would love the chance to wield a forge gun now. CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops

Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1134	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:12:00 - [561] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion Lord Neckbeard does not seem pleased Argumentum ad popolum. A popular idea isn't necessarily a good idea. Inversely, being the minority does not mean someone's wrong, especially when we're talking about several, superficially similar but really completely different positions that are falsely lumped together. I also wrote up a post that highlights some of the issues I see wirth recurring respecs and would appreciate your musings regarding them. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1478	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:46:00 - [562] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: the only reason ppl don't want respecs is because they have 30 to 40 mil sp and have saved 3-5 mill sp for this 1.8 action. they don't want all the new players and ppl who didn't save sp to compete with them because these ppl like to feel OVERPOWERED probably because there real life sucks and them feeling OVERPOWERED is the only joy in there life I have 37 mill sp and i have saved 3 mill sp witch is enough to get a good start to 1.8 and im not worried about it at all il be fine. but all the new players that have like 12 mill sp cant afford to save because there still working on drop suit upgrades and maxing weapons and getting proto suits. new players will have even a bigger gap to cross to be able to compete with all these 30 mill plus toons and thus new players will just stop playing. i think the fact that ppl are saving points to spend in 1.8 should q a respec in its own. you cant save points to spend for future eve skills(and you wouldn't have to because all the base ships are out unlike dust with missing drop suits and weps) if i started this game and all the suits were out my skill points would be distributed very differently let alone changing stats and bonuses witch is a key reason why ppl spec into certain suits in the first place. A respec would help the new players more then the old (mainly because most ppl screw up and spend points in skills they dont want) new players would be able to spend there points more wisely but if they don't il be fine with it because il have such a superior toon to wipe the floor with all these 12 mill sp noobs and i guess ccp roles like that. lol Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1478	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:52:00 - [563] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 234	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:39:00 - [564] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. No one has even implied that this thread would do anything but streamline the discussion. You should re-read the OP and manage your expectations. Crushing majority is for full respec, that seems like MONOLOG for me. Not a DISCUSSION what was anounced by logibro. DISCUSSION, just by oratorical measures, CONTAINS two sided conversation ergo DIALOG. Without any CCP responce its just yelling to the wind, nothing else. No discussion at all. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 234	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:41:00 - [565] - Quote Dravok Silverblood wrote: I don't want a re-spec personally. EVE and DUST 514 should be cold and cruel like space. I do see a reason to allow for players to do a re-spec but make them pay for it. Literally First re-spec 20.00 USD Second re-spec 30.00 USD Third re-spec 40.00 USD And keep that going at 10 USD increase till a cap out or maximum per year. I think one respec per month would be max. Also i think anyone that respects starts with a new KDR. Life time war-points, and win-loss ratio. So people on the leader boards earn it by keeping there toon the same. not taking a cheaters short cut.. And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game. I' ll NEVER put money, for someone elses DECISSIONS. If i run over someone, do CCP pay for it..NO. Thats reason why will not pay for anything in unfixed/unfinished game. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:44:00 - [566] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion Lord Neckbeard does not seem pleased lol That was funny as ufck. You sir, have definitely made my afternoon.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 105	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:46:00 - [567] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
RKKR The Southern Legion 758	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:53:00 - [568] - Quote Quote: all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respect. So does that mean that all other respect threads are invalid? If that's true...then you could have also stickied an existing thread because everything that was and needed to be said is already been said for over half a year already. That and just LOCK other threads instead of taking these stupid measurements because CCP can't keep up with keeping the forum in line with their own rules. Just shows that giving feedback is useless and that the following phrase mouthed by CCP means jack ****: "We do read and take into consideration any feedback that you guys give us". Not that it's anything new, it's going to be painful to read the 1.8 feedback threads after you guys listened to that too, but what do you guys care, you never really read or respond to these kind of threads.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1138	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:15:00 - [569] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.* Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If, yes then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary. If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth. * I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1717	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:37:00 - [570] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Lord Neckbeard does not seem pleased The only thing good to come out of this thread. Great video. It really cracked me up. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 107	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:45:00 - [571] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.* Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If yes, then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary. If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth. * I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. If you disagree with the changes to the extent that you'd rather switch your class than keep playing the class, then asking for a respec is just avoiding the underlying issue, not solving it. In all honesty, no, I didn't really get it to be a logi, at least that wasn't my main intention when I picked the suit. I liked the idea of having such a high armor repair rate as well as a sidearm, though I eventually started moving a bit further towards the logi playstyle and have found it to be quite fun. As for switching my class, I'm not doing it so much because of the changes, but rather that I'm just tired of having a slow suit that not only will longer have the bonuses that I specced into it for, but will also be focused entirely on uplinks (Something I usually end up doing anyways, but not because I want to) I play this game to have fun more often than not, and while I like winning, I'd much rather be in my scout suit than a logi. Shrugs Basically at this point, what the new bonuses regulate me to is drop uplinks, something I find very boring as it usually involves taking a dropship up to some high place or staying further away from the action to ensure the team actually has somewhere to spawn. Long story short, I'd rather be playing a scout, but if I have to and we don't get a respec, I'll eventually put more points into the logi playstyle to make it better than what it is. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1138	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:37:00 - [572] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.* Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If yes, then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary. If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth. * I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. If you disagree with the changes to the extent that you'd rather switch your class than keep playing the class, then asking for a respec is just avoiding the underlying issue, not solving it. In all honesty, no, I didn't really get it to be a logi, at least that wasn't my main intention when I picked the suit. I liked the idea of having such a high armor repair rate as well as a sidearm, though I eventually started moving a bit further towards the logi playstyle and have found it to be quite fun. As for switching my class, I'm not doing it so much because of the changes, but rather that I'm just tired of having a slow suit that not only will longer have the bonuses that I specced into it for, but will also be focused entirely on uplinks (Something I usually end up doing anyways, but not because I want to) I play this game to have fun more often than not, and while I like winning, I'd much rather be in my scout suit than a logi. Shrugs Basically at this point, what the new bonuses regulate me to is drop uplinks, something I find very boring as it usually involves taking a dropship up to some high place or staying further away from the action to ensure the team actually has somewhere to spawn. Long story short, I'd rather be playing a scout, but if I have to and we don't get a respec, I'll eventually put more points into the logi playstyle to make it better than what it is. Thanks for the level headed reply. I personally think that the drama we currently have, for the most part, could have been avoided and falls mainly under CCP's responsibility. Many players find themselves with the prospect of having millions of SP invested in gear they won't use, because the old bonuses often failed to define a clear niche for the play style they were supposed to encourage and there's little they could do about it besides using foresight in a rather volatile environment. With that said. The changes, while not perfect, pose a great leap in the right direction to give every frame the role it was supposed to promote all along. The roles have not so much been changed but rather fleshed out and the overall approach to fitting and playing the different classes, according to their intended role, has not changed on a fundamental level. While i wouldn't throw a fit if a partial respec happened, the extend of these changes alone doesn't seem to mandate one (let alone a full refund). Both because it would be a precedent for future cases of suit/vehicle+skill bonus changes which will inevitably happen and because there's no reason to refund whole trees that are not affected in any direct way. The only full refund i feel would be unequivocally for the better of Dust would be with the release of all missing racial variants. Doing this would help getting a balanced and diverse composition of suits/vehicles on the battlefield which should enrich the gameplay overall. Even the player market and economy would profit profit from a clean slate. I dearly hope this will be the case with 1.8 so this ongoing discussion can finally end. i've been around for two full respecs now and i didn't feel either had improved the game in any meaningful way. Quite the opposite. The funny thing is: At that time i was the very kind of new player these respecs are supposed to help. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2942	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:41:00 - [573] - Quote It sure would be nice for them to make a decision on this either way ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:50:00 - [574] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.* Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If yes, then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary. If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth. * I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. If you disagree with the changes to the extent that you'd rather switch your class than keep playing the class, then asking for a respec is just avoiding the underlying issue, not solving it. In all honesty, no, I didn't really get it to be a logi, at least that wasn't my main intention when I picked the suit. I liked the idea of having such a high armor repair rate as well as a sidearm, though I eventually started moving a bit further towards the logi playstyle and have found it to be quite fun. As for switching my class, I'm not doing it so much because of the changes, but rather that I'm just tired of having a slow suit that not only will longer have the bonuses that I specced into it for, but will also be focused entirely on uplinks (Something I usually end up doing anyways, but not because I want to) I play this game to have fun more often than not, and while I like winning, I'd much rather be in my scout suit than a logi. Shrugs Basically at this point, what the new bonuses regulate me to is drop uplinks, something I find very boring as it usually involves taking a dropship up to some high place or staying further away from the action to ensure the team actually has somewhere to spawn. Long story short, I'd rather be playing a scout, but if I have to and we don't get a respec, I'll eventually put more points into the logi playstyle to make it better than what it is. Thanks for the level headed reply. I personally think that the drama we currently have, for the most part, could have been avoided and falls mainly under CCP's responsibility. Many players find themselves with the prospect of having millions of SP invested in gear they won't use, because the old bonuses often failed to define a clear niche for the play style they were supposed to encourage and there's little they could do about it besides using foresight in a rather volatile environment. With that said. The changes, while not perfect, pose a great leap in the right direction to give every frame the role it was supposed to promote all along. The roles have not so much been changed but rather fleshed out and the overall approach to fitting and playing the different classes, according to their intended role, has not changed on a fundamental level. While i wouldn't throw a fit if a partial respec happened, the extend of these changes alone doesn't seem to mandate one (let alone a full refund). Both because it would be a precedent for future cases of suit/vehicle+skill bonus changes which will inevitably happen and because there's no reason to refund whole trees that are not affected in any direct way. The only full refund i feel would be unequivocally for the better of Dust would be with the release of all missing racial variants. Doing this would help getting a balanced and diverse composition of suits/vehicles on the battlefield which should enrich the gameplay overall. Even the player market and economy would profit profit from a clean slate.* I dearly hope this will be the case with 1.8 so this ongoing discussion can finally end. i've been around for two full respecs now and i didn't feel either had improved the game in any meaningful way. Quite the opposite. The funny thing is: At that time i was the very kind of new player these respecs are supposed to help. Note that i am not talking about any individual player but about Dust as its own ecosystem. Glances up at quote length* Well, this is getting long... Honestly, I like the fact that CCP is trying to help the logi suit actually fulfill it's roll. The logi's right now are essentially better than the assaults in almost every way, more slots, more CPU/PG, and only at the cost of a few HP and hit points that can easily be surpassed with a single module or two. Plus they've got so many equipment slots, there's just not much of a reason to choose assault right now over a logi. The bonuses though just aren't really what I prefer. Not only that, but I can't help but think having the Amarr logi bonuses will actually discourage people from speccing into uplinks. After all, why get into something when militia and basic are all you need to be effective? 20 spawns for a basic uplink? Yes please. Advanced and proto? Who needs em. I agree though, but I can't say I'm looking forward to waiting for CCP to release everything. I can't help but think that we're all basically play testers right now, paying CCP to test their game for them so they can work out the bugs. And yeah, I'm definitely one of those people who have a lot invested in things I don't use. A full respec would give me about 5 million to spare (possibly more) As for the respecs not really changing much... agreed. They really don't, it just allows players to specialize in the things they want a bit faster, regardless of whether or not they have 40 million SP. I know I only invested in things like the Minmatar logi originally and the assault rifles because there was nothing more fun to choose from at the time. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:52:00 - [575] - Quote I agree make a decision CCP. So I can either know i'm getting a respect or not. CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 24	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:06:00 - [576] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It sure would be nice for them to make a decision on this either way I would hazard a guess that the decision is already made, they just haven't told us yet because they wish to delay the shitstorm that will result, regardless of their decision either way.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 669	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:11:00 - [577] - Quote Full respec 1.8, theres no reason not to do it, then offer another one 2 years down the line when all racial variants/vehicles are released. CCP needs to stop treating this game and its playerbase like its out of beta, it clearly isnt.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1139	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:40:00 - [578] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Glances up at quote length Well, this is getting long... Honestly, I like the fact that CCP is trying to help the logi suit actually fulfill it's roll. The logi's right now are essentially better than the assaults in almost every way, more slots, more CPU/PG, and only at the cost of a few HP and hit points that can easily be surpassed with a single module or two. Plus they've got so many equipment slots, there's just not much of a reason to choose assault right now over a logi. The bonuses though just aren't really what I prefer. Not only that, but I can't help but think having the Amarr logi bonuses will actually discourage people from speccing into uplinks. After all, why get into something when militia and basic are all you need to be effective? 20 spawns for a basic uplink? Yes please. Advanced and proto? Who needs em. I agree though, but I can't say I'm looking forward to waiting for CCP to release everything. I can't help but think that we're all basically play testers right now, paying CCP to test their game for them so they can work out the bugs. And yeah, I'm definitely one of those people who have a lot invested in things I don't use. A full respec would give me about 5 million to spare (possibly more) As for the respecs not really changing much... agreed. They really don't, it just allows players to specialize in the things they want a bit faster, regardless of whether or not they have 40 million SP. I know I only invested in things like the Minmatar logi originally and the assault rifles because there was nothing more fun to choose from at the time. Long quotes mean good debate, so, yeah Large changes like these always have some weaknesses here and there. The good news is that further changes will probably more gradual in nature from now on so i'm rather optimistic that everything will turn out well. I agree that the whole "half the stuff is f'in missing!" is a huge downer and i hope that the long time since the last patch indicates at least a large chunk of new shiny. CCP has a history of developing their game(s) well beyond release date even on the most fundamental level so, in effect, we will always be playtesters when playing a CCP game. The upside to this is that, once the backlog of needed changes is mostly dealt with, we can look forward to entirely new features to play with throughout the game's lifespan instead of having to buy the new installment of "Generic FPS 5: Modern Marketing Scheme 2 (now with a new engine that looks slightly worse)" next year. Considering the "waste" of SP you have: Everyone who joined after may and who isn't a pure vehicle user has those. Heck, i will probably abandon my 2.somthing million SP in ARs in favor of either the SCR or the Tac RR once I decided which one (will wait until after the RR nerf to see how it turns out). The important part is that those SP are not actually "gone". Once unlocked you can always use the gear, should you need it. The vast majority of EVE players utilizes only a fraction of their lifetime SP on any task at any given time. Being able to do several things quickly (like changing your role in-battle if the situation requires it) is the whole point of having a large SP pool. Lastly, when talking about the last two respecs. It wasn't so much that they didn't change anything. It just wasn't for the better. I had some 3-4m SP and was able to get some ADV mods and an ADV cal logi from my "wasted" SP and some removed skills. Before, seing a decked-out PRO cal logi meant almost certain death but at least was a rather rare sight. After the respec, no match started without 3-6 ( I'm exaggerating but it was bad ) absolute cookie-cutter fits from both sides which meant that every second encounter was a straight up "fly or die" situation. It got better after a few weeks and then, 2nd respec, and you had even more almost identical killer bees shredding pubs. From this experence i come to expect the same thing to happen every time the wrong people get a chance to "correct mistakes" at the cost of those who could genuinely need some help. *holy bunch-o'-text-batman You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 111	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:54:00 - [579] - Quote I'm... just gonna avoid the quote to cut down on text walls... plus I've only really got one last thing to say on this, that thing being another agreement towards seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec. I remember the respec with uprising, it took people a few weeks to figure out what they wanted. I just went straight back into what I had and was happy with it, especially because no one had any AV unlocked and my tank could destroy everything. Then everyone got the proto swarm launchers and I couldn't survive long. It's probably not the best thing though that my biggest reason for not wanting a full respec is so that the FoTM chasers will suffer for abusing certain aspects in the game that are/were unbalanced... And I do enjoy being versatile, though at the moment, there's not much of a reason to choose an AR over a CR. The Tac rifle is okay I suppose, but until RR's get balanced, they're not really worth having. Same probably goes for a few other suits and items. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2014.02.25 00:19:00 - [580] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: [...] It's probably not the best thing though that my biggest reason for not wanting a full respec is so that the FoTM chasers will suffer for abusing certain aspects in the game that are/were unbalanced... There's no need to make the argument on a personal level in the first place. The way i see it, there are just two questions. Does it advance Dust, as a game/product, in any reasonable way in accordance to its initial philosophy/USP? Since respecs, by definition, fly in the face of what New Eden stands for, that's straight up "no" imho. Do the upsides improve the day-to-day experience of the playerbase as whole more than the downsides worsen it? That's debatable and the main subject of this thread. My personal experience tells me "no". No argument was made on the personal level. No one unjustifiably blamed for doing what's perfectly within the rules of the game. Crimson ShieId wrote: And I do enjoy being versatile, though at the moment, there's not much of a reason to choose an AR over a CR. The Tac rifle is okay I suppose, but until RR's get balanced, they're not really worth having. Same probably goes for a few other suits and items. Balance needs improvement, no question. CCP has already said they're looking at the whole range of assault type weapons so we'll see. I'm personally a fan of high alpha, high precision singleshot weapons for just-behind-the lines support so the CR is not my cup of tea. But that's not the subject anyway. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 169	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:14:00 - [581] - Quote i lvoe these complaints abotu re-specs. when you get to my expericence and skillpoitn levle....thier just not worth it. sicne i can practially do everything i want to do. soif theres a respec i get skillpoints to go somewhere else if i dont like the changes or not happy with that skill. so i have no problems with a respec or not.
Asher Night Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:25:00 - [582] - Quote How does this thread even exist? The very fact that this thread was stickied is testament that CCP just absolutely does not know how to make a right decision. There's nothing to discuss. Give the respec. Option 1 - Give No Respec - People will probably trickle away and even more people will stop playing this game and not even because of the poor core mechanics, but because the game devs themselves changed what you spent hours upon hours spending game time to earn. Personally, I stopped playing this game for about 6 months because I wasn't happy with my character. I'm sure I'm not the only one that walked away, and I'm sure plenty of people never came back. Option 2 - Give a Respec - How many people will leave the game if a respec is given? Question for all of you who do not want CCP to give a respec: Will that ruin the game for YOU? Will you stop playing because someone else was given a respec to fix their character that CCP drastically changed? Will you delete Dust from your PS3? CCP only has an audience to gain from giving respecs. One of the harshest things about playing this game is not knowing what to do with your character, and I can only imagine how many people have left this game because there are so many more balanced, complete FPS's out there that aren't riddled with horrible glitches on top of mistakenly wasting hours speccing into something you realize does not fit the game or your playstyle. This game is free, so it's not as if th player has anything to lose by putting down the sticks and loading up something else. Option 3 - Give Unlimited Respecs - Chill the **** out and let me explain. Of course there would be something to pay to make this happen. Maybe one respec a month, maybe for enough ISK, or sacrifice a chunk of SP, or spend AUR - which would help CCP make money off of this game. Imagine how much more YOU would play the game. I know for a fact I'd spend hours and hours just pouring through different weapons, vehicles, dropsuits, everything. Would any of you think "Dust 514? Nah, don't play that game. Anyone can experiment with different playstyles whenever you want. Don't play that game". This would also help CCP learn what is broken way faster. If everyone keeps respeccing into the same weapon, same dropsuit, whatever, that will be a dead giveaway. No need to waste months reading the same crap on the forums about what's broken, PLUS the players wouldn't be forced to bend over and take it every game, everyday, because they could respec and then utilize the weapon themselves that's OP - so at least they wouldn't be forced to just die and die again until CCP get's their fists out of their own asses and fixes it. If this game was balanced people wouldn't even want to use respec after doing it a few times and learning what they really like to play as. The only reason people want a respec at all is because the game is just not what it should be - and that is only CCP's fault. There are mistakes in this game that no game company would dare make in this day and age. The worst thing about it is they want YOU to just deal with it. I think this game would do better with unlimited respecs, but that's me. Yes it would make this game less 'hardcore' but no major league game would touch this game anyway. Only butthurt CCP fanboys would be upset, and they would play the game anyway, because they are CCP fanboys. If nothing else we should definitely be given a respec come 1.8.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1401	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:49:00 - [583] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Question for all of you who do not want CCP to give a respec: Will that ruin the game for YOU? Will you stop playing because someone else was given a respec to fix their character that CCP drastically changed? Will you delete Dust from your PS3? Yes it will ruin the game for the anti-respec people. They are probably the worst crutch using scrubs in Dust 514-¦s history. And they are afraid that new players will crush them into the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx054SNscw Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1401	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:51:00 - [584] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i lvoe these complaints abotu re-specs. when you get to my expericence and skillpoitn levle....thier just not worth it. sicne i can practially do everything i want to do. soif theres a respec i get skillpoints to go somewhere else if i dont like the changes or not happy with that skill. so i have no problems with a respec or not. It-¦s not about the number of points you have making bad choices not matter, its about CCP treating their customers with respect when they rebuild the foundation of this game: weapons and classes. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1401	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:59:00 - [585] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just grind SP to get that OP sht. Increase in FOTM builts might be correlated* to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:20:00 - [586] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just *grind SP to get that OP sht*. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated* to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation. Bascially correct but note the bolded statements. FOTM chasing currently requires both time and effort. Since both could be spend otherwise, an opportunity cost is attached to the practice. Additionally, right now some things can theoratically be fixed before they ruin the soonGäó economy and everyone's game experience along with it. Respecs make FOTM easier and thus more prevalent, worsening overall perceived balance. This has already been observed two times now, no matter the monocausal/polycausal/correlative relation. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1401	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:27:00 - [587] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just *grind SP to get that OP sht*. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated* to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation. Bascially correct but note the bolded statements. FOTM chasing currently requires both time and effort. Since both could be spend otherwise, an opportunity cost is attached to the practice. Additionally, right now some things can theoratically be fixed before they ruin the soonGäó economy and everyone's game experience along with it. Respecs make FOTM easier and thus more prevalent, worsening overall perceived balance. This has already been observed two times now, no matter the monocausal/polycausal/correlative relation. Ah, swarm launchers did not stay OP for a long time? Forge guns easymode splash damage OHK infantry since beta? Gallente assault rifles best weapon since closed beta (in one shape or another: First burst, then TAC, then regular when hit detection got fixed)? Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:36:00 - [588] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Ah, swarm launchers did not stay OP for a long time? Forge guns easymode splash damage OHK infantry since beta? Gallente assault rifles best weapon since closed beta (in one shape or another: First burst, then TAC, then regular when hit detection got fixed)? DIdn't you just say that that's a balance problem first and foremost? Are you implying that, since balance gets borked up at times, we should just screw it and let things get even worse intentionally? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 236	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:09:00 - [589] - Quote There is MANY about FoTM/FoTD, but HONESTLY is that FAIL of COMMUNITY?! NOPE this is BASICALY CCPs failure, POOR balancing is not, like OTHER desions MADE, COMMUNITY failure. They made many MISTAKES, but pushing players, the COMMUNITY what playing THEIR game to something what WE do NOT want. Thats BIGGEST mistake what CCP already made. WE ask them about FULL one and WE have REASONS, really IMPORTANT ones. COMMUNITY already SPOKE already NOW its CCPs turn. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:49:00 - [590] - Quote I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing. I've never been one to chase the flavor of the month, but i actually think it's good in it's own way because it shows the developers whats broke. The problem with that is when they get overzealous and bend people over with a giant purple nerf dildo, but that's a separate issue. Will a respec spark a new wave of FOTM bullisht? Maybe, but it will also let CCP see what if anything is broken in 1.8, and that ... sooner than later, and imo the faster they get a jump on the data they need the more likely we are to see new content, and that is a good thing.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1403	Posted - 2014.02.25 10:20:00 - [591] - Quote Western Ways wrote: I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing. I've never been one to chase the flavor of the month, but i actually think it's good in it's own way because it shows the developers whats broke. The problem with that is when they get overzealous and bend people over with a giant purple nerf dildo, but that's a separate issue. Will a respec spark a new wave of FOTM bullisht? Maybe, but it will also let CCP see what if anything is broken in 1.8, and allow them to get the jump on all the data they need to refine the game for the patch after that. And the faster they hammer out all the broken isht in the game the more likely we are to see new content in the near future, and that i think is a good thing. Exactly. Respecs are in line with the continuous improvement/agile work methods that I certainly hope CCP are using. You can guess all you want what stats weapons should have, but with a high probability, they will not be perfect at release. Following player (like CCP do) and evaluating what happens after a respec is a great strategy (also a scientifically correct one IMO) to empirically improve the game. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 11:29:00 - [592] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. As is the case with every single game, most people don't check the forums, let alone vote on polls. It's simply not true that barely anyone cares, most of the infantry in my corp that i've spoken to say they will either quit or play drastically less (a couple matches/week) if there is not a respec. I've walked away from the game a few times since release and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again and come back to 3 mil SP to put into something that I actually enjoy instead of being forced to grind out 2-3 months of SP in something I don't enjoy anymore. I've spent a lot of money on this game already and I 100% would not spend any more if I knew this division of CCP would trade supporting community feedback for some more potential money through boosters while losing players of all SP ranges.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 236	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:02:00 - [593] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just *grind SP to get that OP sht*. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated* to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation. Bascially correct but note the bolded statements. FOTM chasing currently requires both time and effort. Since both could be spend otherwise, an opportunity cost is attached to the practice. Additionally, right now some things can theoratically be fixed before they ruin the soonGäó economy and everyone's game experience along with it. Respecs make FOTM easier and thus more prevalent, worsening overall perceived balance. This has already been observed two times now, no matter the monocausal/polycausal/correlative relation. FOTM is not issue around RESPEC, FOTM is issue implemented by CCP by they "balancing". RESPEC is MOSTLY about COMMUNITY, what was pushed (by CCP) to CHOOSE something close to their WANTED role on battlefield. Now if, US the COMMUNITY of dust, WE can choose from ne the PROPER suits for our ROLES we should HAVE chance to CHOOSE it. Second REASON is about balance/implements by CCP. If THEY (CCP) cut something on SOMEONES role and that MECHANIQUE doesnt work anymore PROPERLY, the player (part of our COMMUNITY) should have a chance to use it on something WHAT actualy works. Third REASON, why RESPEC should be for now DIRECTLY optional mechanique in GAME. Dust itself STILL mostly under construction, whatever CCP told BEFORE logicaly need some backstep mechanique. There is still implementation and tinking with all stuff and mechaniques INSIDE game ITSELF. We ALL were MANYTIMES witnesses of their actions, what were mostly nad sadly SETBACKS and be blind fan NEVER works. OUR constructivism should be ORE than just somekind of REBEL YELL for them, we are the COMMUNITY of DUST and we should be TAKEN like that. Because OVERALL its feels like CCP taking US like some COTRAPRODUCTIVE voice, what is firts of all BAD and just really SAD sigh. If is true what "Saberwing" told before, we should have SOME answer or just DIRECTION is our reasons was HEARD. For NOW its just ANOTHER post from MANY, but in these hands of this "MANY" is FUTURE of dust game. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 114	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:56:00 - [594] - Quote Western Ways wrote: I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing. Don't get me wrong, I agree with this, but... It's very difficult to enjoy the game with some of these FoTM's. I don't need to say a thing towards tank spam but I will anyways. It's not fun. It's not enjoyable to always have to focus on dealing with a bunch of tanks AND the Gallente proto logis with their rail rifles sitting on top of their triage nanohives. (The second of which I don't care about as much as my Nova Knives know not of this thing called Armor Repair Rate) Also, I don't think tanks are OP, I just think there are too many of them. It's annoying having six tanks in a single match, and it guarantees that you can't play the way you want unless you want to get stomped into the ground. [qoute=]Malkai Inos wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just grind SP to get that OP sh*t. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation.[/qoute] True, correlation doesn't equal causation, but it does allow everyone to jump on that bandwagon that much faster. Take the flaylock for example. I never got to the Core variant in the short time that it was labeled OP before CCP nerfed it into the dirt. Only reaching advanced level, I even thought it was fine the way it was. I didn't think it was OP because I'd barely specced into it. I know I'm not the only one who was in this situation either, my corp CEO got the core right on the day it was nerfed. Now... why CCP fixed the flaylock so quickly (Which had a number of severe limitations compared to other sidearms) and haven't had such speed with some of the other weapons, I'll never know. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist 365	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:19:00 - [595] - Quote CAN I GET A HOT TUB Pineapples on pizza.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:54:00 - [596] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Exactly. Respecs are in line with the continuous improvement/agile work methods that I certainly hope CCP are using. They're not and they don't. CCP calls respecs "disruptive" for the community and developers alike. I can look up the quote if you'd like to to see it for yourself. Spectral Clone wrote: Following player (like CCP do) and evaluating what happens after a respec is a great strategy (also a scientifically correct one IMO) to empirically improve the game. Respecs tell them nothing that just looking at some PC matches after a week or so won't tell them anyway. You also provided several examples of OP gear that has survived one or even two respecs without a fix a few posts ago so you contradict both yourself and the historical data available. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:15:00 - [597] - Quote @Crimson Shield lol I dig it, i hate tanks and i refuse to use one, but i could give a ufck about what FotM people wanna roll, imo most of those cats are weaklings that need every advantage they can get, and cry for nerfs when something else kills their OP asses. I think the main problem (as far as FOTM goes), is that CCP is reluctant to implement hotfixes, it seems like every problem that results from a new content remains unaddressed until the next patch.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1300	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:42:00 - [598] - Quote Skylight Atoma wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Just confirm the respec CCP. You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi. You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry. What they see is a loud minority. In a poll which was hold not too long ago barely anybody cared about respecs. As is the case with every single game, most people don't check the forums, let alone vote on polls. It's simply not true that barely anyone cares, most of the infantry in my corp that i've spoken to say they will either quit or play drastically less (a couple matches/week) if there is not a respec. I've walked away from the game a few times since release and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again and come back to 3 mil SP to put into something that I actually enjoy instead of being forced to grind out 2-3 months of SP in something I don't enjoy anymore. I've spent a lot of money on this game already and I 100% would not spend any more if I knew this division of CCP would trade supporting community feedback for some more potential money through boosters while losing players of all SP ranges. quitters gonna quit
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1482	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:48:00 - [599] - Quote I'm against respecs because I read "If you give a mouse a cookie" and there are enough people who specced into Caldari Logis with TARs and Flaylocks after 1.0 asking for one. Luckily this isn't a democracy and I'm a grown man and can buy my own cookie. Let's not create a culture of respec dependency, you'll only find disappointment. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 249	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:06:00 - [600] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I'm against respecs because I read "If you give a mouse a cookie" and there are enough people who specced into Caldari Logis with TARs and Flaylocks after 1.0 asking for one. Luckily this isn't a democracy and I'm a grown man and can buy my own cookie. Let's not create a culture of respec dependency, you'll only find disappointment. Or what about do not be ingorant to COMMUNITY needs and help to make a better game without any silly pushes to something what PLAYERS dont want. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1482	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:23:00 - [601] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Or what about do not be ingorant to COMMUNITY needs and help to make a better game without any silly pushes to something what PLAYERS dont want. I'm assuming you're disagreeing with me. I don't usually troll, but when I do, I prefer respec threads. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 23	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:54:00 - [602] - Quote Western Ways wrote: I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing. I've never been one to chase the flavor of the month, but i actually think it's good in it's own way because it shows the developers whats broke. The problem with that is when they get overzealous and bend people over with a giant purple nerf dildo, but that's a separate issue. Will a respec spark a new wave of FOTM bullisht? Maybe, but it will also let CCP see what if anything is broken in 1.8, and allow them to get the jump on all the data they need to refine the game for the patch after that. And the faster they hammer out all the broken isht in the game the more likely we are to see new content in the near future, and that i think is a good thing. This. +1 FOTM is going to happen - who cares? DUST is not EvE - you won't see imbalances from respecs, just a lot of people using the same OP stuff... ...unless of course CCP gets balance right (crosses fingers). Then, you WON'T see that happen because everyone will spec the weapon they like to use. I'm a huge sniper rifle fan because I love the playstyle - but I also love the rail rifle (huh, wonder why? Sniper up close maybe?) I also love dropships - I'm no Ace, but they are lots of fun despite cost and lack of WP generators. If you're playing the game to grind sp instead of, I dunno, enjoying the game? Isn't that why we call them VIDEOGAMES - GAME, FUN!? Snipers and Dropships aren't exactly FOTM - but I love playing them because I turn my PS3 to have fun. Not grind. That's why you have a job in RL. Grind that moolah. That guy you killed with 0% shields? Yeah, I sniped him - go team. Oh, you didn't know...hmm. *CCP: Display Assists!!!
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:45:00 - [603] - Quote Since the thread subject seems to morph into "Are FOTM chasers the devil who feasts on your children" i'll just re-post a recent piece of mine that focuses on the subject at hand. Preface: The following is exclusively about a proper on-demand respec feature of any nature or otherwise recurring skill refunds e.g with any new content and/or balance/skill changes. Althought it has some relevance regarding 1.8 in the context of recurring respecs for patches, a full racial symmetry respec in particular is not subject of this post Me wrote: First off, i'll just link this piece from several months ago. The first paragraph deals with the "decisions => consequences" jadda and argues that it, while any individual might or might not agree, in itself has a certain justification to exist. The rest is about how the persistent SP system makes the way both new and old players approach their skill trees in the face of meta changes (such as new content and rebalancing) more interesting by adding a layer of meta-gaming to their decsion making. Next up replayability: In every progression system that is not a WoW clone, half the accomplishment of an endgame viable/competitive build is getting there. I'd argue that the long, often tedious and error prone process of making a powerful, efficient fit is something many players enjoy and there is literally no other product in the market that provides both a classic FPS experience and a deep, harsh yet rewarding progression system to really sink their teeth in and theorycraft around. Respeccing at will reduces this process to the press of a button, possibly coupled with a financial transaction. Kittened up yo fit? Doesn't even matter, click here to try again! You made the perfect fit? So did everybody else who bothered to look at the current PC paradigms and had some spare change (if a paid "service"). For some players punishing faulty skill choices is depressing and balance changes that wreck your fit are discouraging and unfair. For others, making the right decisions and adapting to changes out of their control are part of the game, if not even central to it. One group of players finds a suitable product in almost every modern FPS, especially some of the better F2P ones for PC offer great customization with simple and fair ways to deal with changes. The other has Dust aaand...nothing else really. The last thing, albeit a bit of a stretch is a big concern of mine: Future Economy. The dust economy will most likely end up being similarly complex and engaging as the EVE one in order for them to merge at some point. That means a huge swath of skills with multipliers ranging from 1 to 16, materials, facilities and all that jazz at least on the EVE side of things but probably on both sides. What does an industrialist do if his best running product, e.g. the PRO RR, gets nerfed and people start to switch to the CR? Without respecs, people will mostly be stuck with their RR at first because the CR needs a minni suit to really kick off and an immediate jump is only feasible for those with enough foresight or luck to either have all needed skills already or enough SP saved up to do the transition. The trader would have an opportunity timeframe to adapt ASAP and be the first to produce the CR en masse for huge margins. With respecs? The trader loses the majority of his sales after the patchnotes go live, but before the actual patch gets released. The only way get adapt is to quickly respec all relevant industry skills or be out of busines (so to speak) and the whole process can be over within a few days. The eve side cannot respec. How many capsuleers will spend months of training and possibly trillions of isk to engage in a market so volatile? Keep in mind that they can not possibly prepare for this stuff by just saving SP because their system doesn't allow for this. I know that all these points are more or less affected by: Bad balance Lack of content Lack of game modes (PVE) Unfun mechanics The important part is that balance can only be improved by better balancing -content/modes by adding more of it and PC won't be less of a nigh pointless isk faucet if people can respec. Respecs are a simple and seemingly intuitive way to refresh the game by trying all the stuff out until the actual game gets fun or to make it less punishing for new players until we get them a venue to actually learn the game. But looking at the last respecs we had, none of these issues have gotten any more bearable beyond the first week or so. Respecs, to me seem like a dangerous excuse for CCP to let all these unadressed for longer than necessary because, hey, they're adding respecs... I'd rather they fix the game, honestly. TL;DR: ^ 5500 characters of text ^ You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
GhostSoldierX NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 08:15:00 - [604] - Quote MILK DRINKERS Being a tanker, I can plow through infantry units (the unorganized) with my shield hardeners up and running, I do my job of disrupting the enemy force and cause them to coward in fear and its fun but what I do not enjoy is the waves of milk drinkers who think they can just hop in a tank and do my job whether as friend or foe. It's insulting highly aggravating and a slanderment to all of us true tankers, now as a fully spec'ed tanker I can take on these militia milk drinkers easily but if you throw in the fact that they can constantly call in MILITIA TANKS then even a veteran like myself will succumb to those, those... (hmm thinking of a appropriate insult, oh yeah) MILK DRINKERS!!! Imagine as a tanker my job is to call in tanks and suppress enemy infantry and deal with enemy tanks but wth can I do that when "everyone and their mother" tries tanking??? I have played countless battles since 1.7 and all I see is convoys of militia tanks that just keep coming if destroyed! The Point is; three options or please fulfil all three 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win -Players buy aurum & The number of people who BS around will decrease and they will follow the Allocated SP that thry have laid out for themselves.
GhostSoldierX NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 08:26:00 - [605] - Quote @ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1410	Posted - 2014.02.26 08:31:00 - [606] - Quote GhostSoldierX wrote: @ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books This. Penalty will be proportional to how much SP you want to re-learn. You can 'fix mistakes' in your skill tree for losing a small amount of ISK, but huge mistakes such as specing into a FoTM suit which got nerfed, will not be nice to your wallet. This is what "your choices have consequences" could mean in a f2p FPS on the PS3. Or make respecs a rare commodity that is sold in FW for a lot of loyalty points. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 25	Posted - 2014.02.26 15:06:00 - [607] - Quote GhostSoldierX wrote: 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win 1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8. 2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special. 3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough. P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is.
Ferocitan WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 95	Posted - 2014.02.26 15:52:00 - [608] - Quote I'll invalidate any reason for respec for reason: I want to change class and don't need them skills anymore (FOTM). They will be usefull either way when you've become bored of 1 fit and will play "amarr heavy again" one day. Valid reason for respec: most of the dropsuit skills bonuses and fitting specs change making most dropsuits fittings fubar. This will probably affect DS command, upgrades and weaponry. Making infantry respec this patch valid.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 255	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:43:00 - [609] - Quote I told it before FoTM is not players fault, its basicaly CCPs because they cant do properly balancing of arms. Real reasons for RESPEC are new mechaniques in game due new suits and from that relating new possibilities for plazers what was pushed to choosed something "near" their wanted roles. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11602	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:06:00 - [610] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: GhostSoldierX wrote: 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win 1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8. 2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special. 3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough. P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is. Actually, removing MLT gear is EXACTLY what DUST needs, period. What we also need is a training room, where you can equip and operate all standard gear in the game without putting SP into it. BAM, the only excuse for this MLT garbage goes out the window, and we can finally start pushing towards a state of balance. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

MEDICO RITARDATO Maphia Clan Corporation 9	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:29:00 - [611] - Quote No respec no party No respec, no party
Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 29	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:47:00 - [612] - Quote MEDICO RITARDATO wrote: No respec no party WHAT!? That guy you killed with 0% shields? Yeah, I sniped him - go team. Oh, you didn't know...hmm. *CCP: Display Assists!!!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 25	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:59:00 - [613] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: GhostSoldierX wrote: 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win 1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8. 2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special. 3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough. P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is. Actually, removing MLT gear is EXACTLY what DUST needs, period. What we also need is a training room, where you can equip and operate all standard gear in the game without putting SP into it. BAM, the only excuse for this MLT garbage goes out the window, and we can finally start pushing towards a state of balance. I find that perfectly acceptable. Perhaps make the "training room" a linear combat situation that puts you in various situations that let you practice using the weapon. Because virtual shooting ranges in video games are silly IMHO. Make it so, CCP.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11607	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:29:00 - [614] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: GhostSoldierX wrote: 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win 1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8. 2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special. 3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough. P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is. Actually, removing MLT gear is EXACTLY what DUST needs, period. What we also need is a training room, where you can equip and operate all standard gear in the game without putting SP into it. BAM, the only excuse for this MLT garbage goes out the window, and we can finally start pushing towards a state of balance. I find that perfectly acceptable. Perhaps make the "training room" a linear combat situation that puts you in various situations that let you practice using the weapon. Because virtual shooting ranges in video games are silly IMHO. Make it so, CCP. Honestly this game is being held back a LOT by not having PvE content. PvE content would allow for awesome tutorials, the above training room, and it would just make the game feel big. It's just kind of sad how little we've actually moved in the past 2 years. I'm not trying to say there haven't been improvements or even forward momentum, but when you break it down to what you actually do game in and game out, very little has changed in the past 2 years, aside from losing cool game modes. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 25	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:41:00 - [615] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: GhostSoldierX wrote: 1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers) 2. Get rid of militia vehicles 3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win 1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8. 2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special. 3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough. P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is. Actually, removing MLT gear is EXACTLY what DUST needs, period. What we also need is a training room, where you can equip and operate all standard gear in the game without putting SP into it. BAM, the only excuse for this MLT garbage goes out the window, and we can finally start pushing towards a state of balance. I find that perfectly acceptable. Perhaps make the "training room" a linear combat situation that puts you in various situations that let you practice using the weapon. Because virtual shooting ranges in video games are silly IMHO. Make it so, CCP. Honestly this game is being held back a LOT by not having PvE content. PvE content would allow for awesome tutorials, the above training room, and it would just make the game feel big. It's just kind of sad how little we've actually moved in the past 2 years. I'm not trying to say there haven't been improvements or even forward momentum, but when you break it down to what you actually do game in and game out, very little has changed in the past 2 years, aside from losing cool game modes. Yeah having PvE would really expand the scope of the game, and would allow for an infinite number of fun possibilities. Definitely one of my pet peeves with the game.
Anoko Destrolock Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:51:00 - [616] - Quote Its hard to justify enraging the playerbase by not giving a full infantry respec......after all, we are still in beta.......with many suits not available and ccp takes vehicles outta game everytime they add them....... ccp wants to deal with vehicles next year......so for now, give infantry a respec
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2406	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:08:00 - [617] - Quote Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1487	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:14:00 - [618] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2406	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:17:00 - [619] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1487	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:18:00 - [620] - Quote GhostSoldierX wrote: @ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books You must be new here. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1168	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:19:00 - [621] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. ^ this. My poor min logi
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 257	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:23:00 - [622] - Quote Im for FULL RESPEC anytime its needed (new implements, pacth, changing of mechaniques). And with whole that changes upcoming with 1.8 its just only logical way, everyone can spec FINALY in what he really WANT to spec and no something what is near to his ROLE like BEFORE. How MANY already put points in something what wasnt their really wanted skill, but it was neccesary in time, when there was here this technique/suit/implement?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1489	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:58:00 - [623] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. I say the vehicle one counts as a complete transformation. 1.8 will just a large amount of different non respec worthy things at once. If they had a respec I wouldn't have a problem if it was the last one, but 1.8 just doesn't change enough for me to believe that it would be. New content doesn't warrant a respec. Weapon and module tweaking doesn't either. The only argument can be made for suit bonuses, but that affects everyone. The Caldari medium suit changes weren't enough to warrant a respec, nor were the Amarr medium buffs. The prime example of why people say there should be one is the Minmatar Logi bonus change. They're losing a built in complex repper and codebreaker for a fitting cost reduction and a rep tool bonus. This means to compensate they have to use two lows, but the fitting cost is offset by the equipment bonus, assuming it's an equipment logi and not a slayer logi. It still doesn't change the fact it has 4 highs 4 lows 4 equipment a high base logi speed and inherent lower HP. It's not completely transformed. Like I said though, if they gave a respec I'd be fine being able to move around about 3 mil SP, but I don't want the community to make the assumption that respecs should be a regular game mechanic. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 488	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 - [624] - Quote if anything, a dropsuit command respec. Upgrades and weaponry should be left intact if you ask me.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2142	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:26:00 - [625] - Quote I don't think bonuses are necessarily a legit reason for respecs, but I think the my-god-its-about-damn-time arrival of racial suit parity is one of the most legit ones around. FoTM or any version of pay (ISK, LP, or AUR) for respec is never ever ever ever a good idea. Ever. (The ISK for skillbooks idea is ludicrous, that's pocket change for a lot of people) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 260	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:26:00 - [626] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. I say the vehicle one counts as a complete transformation. 1.8 appears to be a large amount of different non respec worthy things at once. If they had a respec I wouldn't have a problem if it was the last one, but 1.8 just doesn't change enough for me to believe that it would be. New content doesn't warrant a respec. Weapon and module tweaking doesn't either. The only argument can be made for suit bonuses, but that affects everyone. The Caldari medium suit changes weren't enough to warrant a respec, nor were the Amarr medium buffs. The prime example of why people say there should be one is the Minmatar Logi bonus change. They're losing a built in complex repper and codebreaker for a fitting cost reduction and a rep tool bonus. This means to compensate they have to use two lows, but the fitting cost is offset by the equipment bonus, assuming it's an equipment logi and not a slayer logi. It still doesn't change the fact it has 4 highs 4 lows 4 equipment a high base logi speed and inherent lower HP. It's not completely transformed. Like I said though, if they gave a respec I'd be fine being able to move around about 3 mil SP, but I don't want the community to make the assumption that respecs should be a regular game mechanic. Completely wrong. Players should have chance to play for what they want to play. If there was boyo who wanted to be amarr scout and due that imposibility he was push by CCP to spent the points for some time in something similar. He should have logicaly have chance to put his OWN point in that suit if its came. Nothing else. Its his points and if there is a role what he really want he should be able NOW to invest his ALL points in new content ergo in what he wanted spent points before. Hell i want be a HEAVY caldari only for AA, but now i grinding for better point in other suit. By your logic thats mean to leave points in something what i never wanted to be, but it was near to it?! No Caldari heavy arive and i want put all my points to what is exactly my CHOSED role. Everyone here told, they want just whole respec everytime if something really improtant arive and with 1.8, that situation is here. BTW MAG respec idea was great but we can use it here, because game basicaly have another mechanique in leveling. Dont get me wrong i really love MAG, so far i have MAG for real MASSIVE game and king of multiplayer shooter on PS systems. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Patrick57 5526	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:10:00 - [627] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed.... I go negative in PC, yay
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1490	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:25:00 - [628] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed.... To be fair the Gallente ones are staying pretty much the same. So is the Amarr Assault. The Minmatar Scout is getting an even bigger bonus. The Amarr Commando isn't changing much. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1144	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:31:00 - [629] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed.... Point being? No one of them changed the respective suits function on a fundamental level. They still fill the same basic role with a little more racial definition. Edit: In case you mean that "changes to the tree itself" part. I'm pretty sure Tallen's talking about changed multipliers and topological changes to the tree. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 25	Posted - 2014.02.27 04:53:00 - [630] - Quote +1 vote for infantry respec

Sgt Bluewolf Rough Riders.. Primus Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:24:00 - [631] - Quote Only respec I want I understand other arguments but this respec should be a given. I may not be the top dog but at the end of the day I will always be the dog on top.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1833	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:57:00 - [632] - Quote lol@ 'excessive spam'. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1726	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:59:00 - [633] - Quote This old thing is still going? Was all the racial heavy skill books on sisi? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Buck Giroux Its a Legitimate Strategy 3	Posted - 2014.02.27 06:31:00 - [634] - Quote Here is my opinion, and something everyone should think about. Of course I would like a respec, change some things and not spec into things that turned out to be bad or not fitting fir my play style, this problem however could be forever gotten rid of if there was a way to test out things before you bought them in some sort of training planet. As far as new things coming out or changing, or new variants of suits a respec shouldn't be given. New things come out all the time, take the last car you bought, when the new model comes out you don't get a full refund so you can go spend it on the newest and best model. You just have tosave up and then get the new shiny weapon or suit that you want. So keep playing and earn the new toys, stop looking for a free hand out. Go ahead and troll me Dust Bunnies...
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 143	Posted - 2014.02.27 06:51:00 - [635] - Quote Buck Giroux wrote: Here is my opinion, and something everyone should think about. Of course I would like a respec, change some things and not spec into things that turned out to be bad or not fitting fir my play style, this problem however could be forever gotten rid of if there was a way to test out things before you bought them in some sort of training planet. As far as new things coming out or changing, or new variants of suits a respec shouldn't be given. New things come out all the time, take the last car you bought, when the new model comes out you don't get a full refund so you can go spend it on the newest and best model. You just have tosave up and then get the new shiny weapon or suit that you want. So keep playing and earn the new toys, stop looking for a free hand out. Go ahead and troll me Dust Bunnies... That actually brings up a good point... why the heck doesn't Dust have a test server where you can use all the gear with maxed out skills to see what you like? Eve does, so why not Dust? Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11633	Posted - 2014.02.27 07:01:00 - [636] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed.... Point being? No one of them changed the respective suit's function on a fundamental level. They still fill the same basic role with a little more racial definition. Edit: In case you mean that "changes to the tree itself" part. I'm pretty sure Tallen's talking about changed multipliers and topological changes to the tree. I can't even be bothered to dig out the plethora of examples that show how suits are, in fact, having their fundamental roles shifted around. If you're a casual you won't notice too much, but if you're a skilled player who painstakingly plans out their builds based on stats and synergy, you will in fact, in many instance, find that your build has been shuffled around, trivialized, or straight up removed. Again, for casuals, this doesn't matter much. For those of us who take pride in making tight builds based on what is actually in the game, then this is a very serious issue. Your roleplaying comes second to our statistical, in game assets. Crimson ShieId wrote: That actually brings up a good point... why the heck doesn't Dust have a test server where you can use all the gear with maxed out skills to see what you like? Eve does, so why not Dust? Liability. Sony doesn't want to be responsible for melted PS3s And also, not directed at Crimson, just this thread Obligatory Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1147	Posted - 2014.02.27 09:43:00 - [637] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I can't even be bothered to dig out the plethora of examples that show how suits are, in fact, having their fundamental roles shifted around. I'd be fine with a single one. And just to be clear: I'm talking about the broader sense of what a suit is supposed to represent. Not about some fringe edge case that some 20 people might have figured out. If we're talking about "fixed PC squad" levels of build/team minmaxing then I completely agree. But for those people even so much as a 5% sprint speed nerf could easily be enough to destroy your "role" if you just so happen to be the guy spamming the uplinks. So then we're back to respec after, well...anything at this point because somebody will always be able to make this case. The game was never designed with respecs in mind. If the kind of min-maxing you guys practice is not feasible under the current ruleset. Maybe you should change how you guys minmax instead of trying to change the ruleset. DUST Fiend wrote: Your roleplaying comes second to our statistical, in game assets. Meh. Not taking the bait. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1490	Posted - 2014.02.27 09:55:00 - [638] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Things change so I must be refunded, the fact I've used it for 3 months be damned. I can do math therefore I'm right. Condensed that for you. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
lordeh42 ideas not tolerated 17	Posted - 2014.02.27 10:35:00 - [639] - Quote I stopped using/buying AUR when they nerfed the caldari logi ages ago, if no respect on this round of nerfs I`ll probably just quit. From a business point of view its not the greatest decision to annoy your client base to this extent. I had no problem using or buying AUR before, and probably wouldn`t again if the respect happened. before you lot ask, NO you can`t have my ISK, I have none...lol
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 264	Posted - 2014.02.27 13:26:00 - [640] - Quote lordeh42 wrote: I stopped using/buying AUR when they nerfed the caldari logi ages ago, if no respect on this round of nerfs I`ll probably just quit. From a business point of view its not the greatest decision to annoy your client base to this extent. I had no problem using or buying AUR before, and probably wouldn`t again if the respect happened. before you lot ask, NO you can`t have my ISK, I have none...lol Dont worry boyo CCP actualy dont have many changes, just two. I there will be no RESPEC i'll just wait in GTAV for DESTINY in Autumn. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1100	Posted - 2014.02.27 13:30:00 - [641] - Quote Respecs are like unlimited cake supply; it might taste good but you get fat and lazy.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 152	Posted - 2014.02.27 14:57:00 - [642] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Respecs are like unlimited cake supply; it might taste good but you get fat and lazy. Or you could use that unlimited regenerating cake to end world hunger. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 152	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:06:00 - [643] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Respecs are like unlimited cake supply; it might taste good but you get fat and lazy. But serious people arent asking for around the clock every month a respec. Many people against them favour this one because all the basic suits should now be in and changes have been made to redefine certain suits roles. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 152	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:22:00 - [644] - Quote @Malkai Inos - re suit change The easiest one is possibly the Minmatar Logi. Also, take the reasoning of many on uplinks. The mechanic most people used was that of a scout. Use a fast, hard to be detected scout to go behind lines and plant uplinks. So maybe you skill scout and dampening and biotics and uplinks. Now this will still work in 1.8 but because equipment is being nerfed and the Amarr Logi is being given a buff to uplinks, do you still want to go to the hassle of evading to put down an uplink that wouldnt allow fast insertion of troops? - The new mechanic maybe use the logi and place at a forward point and not behind lines so now no real need for scout or dampening. I just think in a game that is built on rewarding a person for the decisions they make and forcing them to live with those decisions you cant then change the reasons why people make those decisions and expect them to be happy with it or buy into that philosophy. It becomes meaningless. Back to the Min Logi - Why take away his fast hack time? You probably should take away a low slot or drop base speed so the suit is more reliant on squad tactics to get in and make hacks. That wouldnt negate a Min Scout who already knew they had to skill up hacking if they wanted to maximise their speed and stealth. Giving them an extra low and stamina regen would have been for them to use a codebreaker instead of a cardiac reg. Now all that went Min Logi for that stated purpose will want to switch and they cant be blamed. I'm sure they are other scenarios but I am just speaking of what I know because I am a Lv5 Min Scout. "Shine bright like a diamond"
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 218	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:34:00 - [645] - Quote FYI, I have almost 5m sp saved up for 1.8.. :p Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11683	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:30:00 - [646] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Things change so I must be refunded, the fact I've used it for 3 months be damned. I can do math therefore I'm right. Condensed that for you. How does this address things being added that are backlogged, and the roles behind current in game assets being changed? I know rational thought may be difficult for you, but by all means, take all the time you need. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 810	Posted - 2014.02.27 17:01:00 - [647] - Quote I'm currently a commando, but i use minmatar weaponry. Currently this doesn't matter because the bonus doesn't apply to all amarr weaponry, but in 1.8 half my bonus is going to weapons I DON'T USE. I'm sure there are many amarr healer logis who are ticked off that they now HAVE to skill uplinks to be effective. Gallente and their scanner, minmatar and rep tools. What about minmatar assaults who used to play sniper? What of acouts who now HAVE to skill cloaks to utilize their role, whereas currently they use rifle+knives and a remote explosive? What of No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
LowerThan SnakeShip Ultramarine Corp 3	Posted - 2014.02.27 17:21:00 - [648] - Quote i dont see how major changes cant come with out a respec as with the vehicle respec i saw alot of tankers and pilots who regret not going back into vehicles. i think it would not change much just some players are going to still make decisions they dont like and regret it and some will make decisions they like that will not upset any balance. then there will also be players who did a better job mapping out their class and they dont want the competition that players who spec'd into everything now being on their level will create.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1750	Posted - 2014.02.27 17:33:00 - [649] - Quote CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1885	Posted - 2014.02.27 19:27:00 - [650] - Quote NK Scout wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. A respec should be givin because I have a proto amar logi, I have no ise for uplinks because I have 0 sp in them I was a complete noob when I spent 9 mil sp I am no longer going to be a logi, no need for rep tools or nanocircitry, need dampening skills. You can't say you're in agreement because it would help you. You have to be in agreement because it's the smart thing to do. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Magpie Raven ZionTCD 347	Posted - 2014.02.27 19:32:00 - [651] - Quote Te only thing I have to add to this is that Respecs will be necessary every time tigns get totally changed. It ridiculous tha t we dont have all the racial stuff yet and until everything is in game then respecs are needed. Once we have something for every race in all categories like weapon types, dropsuits and vehicle. Then stop the respecs. I am against the idea of giving us back skill points everytime something is added to the game. But at the moment it is totally unfair. IN the future just dont release new things without a varient for each race and a respec wont be nesesary because everyone will be having to start at the same place
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1732	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:29:00 - [652] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1492	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:28:00 - [653] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. A respec would be nice, but it's unnecessary, and people begging for them here is almost as annoying as people on the EVE forums asking when Dust is going to be put on PC. I'd rather CCP not indulge them. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 266	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:02:00 - [654] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. A respec would be nice, but it's unnecessary, and people begging for them here is almost as annoying as people on the EVE forums asking when Dust is going to be put on PC. I'd rather CCP not indulge them. Most annozing people is ignorant ones who thinks:"if something is not neccessary to me, its not neccessary for others", there is basicaly majority FOR respec and that important for game. I still wainting till some of antirespec boyos arive with some proper reason why RESPEC should not be made. But its still same story:"What i think i want.", nothing else and what is more important, nothing productive. And honestly how long you will sit back and laugh, if that majority just leave and you will be pushed to play game with smaller numbers and after some time game will be lost, servers close and all that just by no people in?! Respec can revamp community, if you are agains that you basicalz want to play dust alone and trust me, there is big amount of games on sigh. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 98	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:05:00 - [655] - Quote If you guys could lock my respec petition that'd be great. Please sign my 1.8 respec petition
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 267	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:42:00 - [656] - Quote Already did, you should put this respec on you sign too. There is bigger impact right now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1733	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:44:00 - [657] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. A respec would be nice, but it's unnecessary, and people begging for them here is almost as annoying as people on the EVE forums asking when Dust is going to be put on PC. I'd rather CCP not indulge them. Most annozing people is ignorant ones who thinks:"if something is not neccessary to me, its not neccessary for others", there is basicaly majority FOR respec and that important for game. I still wainting till some of antirespec boyos arive with some proper reason why RESPEC should not be made. But its still same story:"What i think i want.", nothing else and what is more important, nothing productive. And honestly how long you will sit back and laugh, if that majority just leave and you will be pushed to play game with smaller numbers and after some time game will be lost, servers close and all that just by no people in?! Respec can revamp community, if you are agains that you basicalz want to play dust alone and trust me, there is big amount of games on sigh. You can give respecs all day long and it doesn't make the game better. If you want to grab new players and hold on to the ones you have then you need good content. Not constant respecs and tiny balance tweaks. Claiming that a respec will save the game is about as good as saying a respec will kill it. People want content to have fun with and the SP is one of the few pieces of content we have. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Patrick57 5574	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:05:00 - [658] - Quote RESPEC I go negative in PC, yay
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 270	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:42:00 - [659] - Quote You can give respecs all day long and it doesn't make the game better. If you want to grab new players and hold on to the ones you have then you need good content. Not constant respecs and tiny balance tweaks. Claiming that a respec will save the game is about as good as saying a respec will kill it. People want content to have fun with and the SP is one of the few pieces of content we have.[/quote] Nope at all. Respec is just only logical way if there is implements what finaly can make game better for players. Game is good how players making it. There is nothing like game is good by itself. The RESPEC can finaly give us a role what we want to play, not just something what is near. Do you really thing, its a great idea to push players to choose something just near to they roles and leave it be like that, like really?! Boyo honestly, if you will be in shoes of boyo who want be Minmatar heavy with racial gun and he speced to amarian just because there WASNT any other choise, do you really want to leave SPs in something what you will never use again?! There is finaly chance for EVERYONE to make his own ROLE on battlefield, the WANTED ONE, and by your words this possibilities cant improve overal reception on players ingame already or the newbies who joined few weeks ago?! Hell it will even take some boyos and gals back, for try or for comeback even. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1155	Posted - 2014.02.28 06:45:00 - [660] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: The easiest one is possibly the Minmatar Logi. The minny Logi totally eluded me and i agree with this being a case to consider a solution. A full respec for everyone wouldn't be the first thing i'd be looking at though. Master Smurf wrote: Also, take the reasoning of many on uplinks. The mechanic most people used was that of a scout. Use a fast, hard to be detected scout to go behind lines and plant uplinks. So maybe you skill scout and dampening and biotics and uplinks. Now this will still work in 1.8 but because equipment is being nerfed and the Amarr Logi is being given a buff to uplinks, do you still want to go to the hassle of evading to put down an uplink that wouldnt allow fast insertion of troops? - The new mechanic maybe use the logi and place at a forward point and not behind lines so now no real need for scout or dampening. The scout uplink case is interesting aswell but i'd argue that the increased movement speed and overall stealthiness still make it the superior "first rush"type of suit. He only has to offset the Logi spawn rate bonus by reaching the objective a few seconds earlier than the logi could to fill his role. I could be wrong but it looks like this will still be the case, come 1.8. Let me put it thusly: Allowing your allies to quickly secure the perimeter by rushing the objective and dropping mid-tier uplinks is a fitting role for a scout. Maintaining a steady supply of new units through top-tier, bonused uplinks, seems to me like the very definition of a logistics task. So what it should be doing well, it will continue to do well. Master Smurf wrote: I just think in a game that is built on rewarding a person for the decisions they make and forcing them to live with those decisions you cant then change the reasons why people make those decisions and expect them to be happy with it or buy into that philosophy. It becomes meaningless. Basically agreed. But when a problem (bad balance, huge changes) causes a certain symptom (devaluating decisions) then using a treatment (respecs) that, among others, causes the same thing (devaluating decisions) as a side effect doesn't seem effective to me at all . Master Smurf wrote: Back to the Min Logi - Why take away his fast hack time? You probably should take away a low slot or drop base speed so the suit is more reliant on squad tactics to get in and make hacks. That wouldnt negate a Min Scout who already knew they had to skill up hacking if they wanted to maximise their speed and stealth. Giving them an extra low and stamina regen would have been for them to use a codebreaker instead of a cardiac reg. Now all that went Min Logi for that stated purpose will want to switch and they cant be blamed. That's subjective but "taking the objective" doesn't seem like a logistics task for me so i can see why CCP decided to change it to a more appropriate suit namely the scout. I agreed earlier that this is a pretty convincing case of "changed on a fundamental level". But an optional relocation of the Minmatar Logi to Scout would solve this problem almost entirely without affecting the whole game. The dropsuit command trees are symmetric so that should be possible to do. Master Smurf wrote: I'm sure they are other scenarios but I am just speaking of what I know because I am a Lv5 Min Scout. Appreciate the input. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1101	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:53:00 - [661] - Quote I demand a respec because I have all this SP in stuff I only used for half a year or more, and after the next patch will no longer be FOTM.
ANON Illuminati Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 567	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:31:00 - [662] - Quote i say respec. balancing of suits guns ect. ect. shoulda been done long long ago around the time it went from closed to open beta and then the actual "release" of an unfinished game. its only right you give respec to the players. i mean your changing alot of things how is anyone ever going to get right using a minmitar weapon, in a amarr suit, with caldari uplinks, and gallente grenades? lol <<< made that up but im sure u get the point. everyone has everything mixed and just want to be able to deck out their stuff the proper way. its not about fotm this will always be a problem if ccp doesnt host a testers tourny or something of that nature. FOTM wouldnt matter to a 30mill plus sp player anyway. its skill that makes that person a great player. so to all those who disagree think about it before you beg ccp to keep a broken game broken. where peoples sp doesnt matter because ccp never said anything about equipment and such things counting for certain races. that does matter especially to those who follow their races and want to keep everything proper. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 567	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:32:00 - [663] - Quote i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation. theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader. its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11783	Posted - 2014.02.28 15:43:00 - [664] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. /thread Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1746	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:06:00 - [665] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. /thread Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else will I get my daily dose of HTFU if you end the thread. Should be DUST Bastard. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11790	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:17:00 - [666] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. /thread Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else will I get my daily dose of HTFU if you end the thread. Should be DUST Bastard. Shhhh, don't fight it. It will all be over soon Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1497	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:18:00 - [667] - Quote Dust Fiend, loved your video. Let me get one thing straight, I'm not against an infantry respec, I just don't think we need it now. Balance in a game like this will never be fully achieved. EVE is a perfect example, the top fighters always flock to the most powerful thing, and then it get's nerfed, and they go to the next. Whole game styles get constantly shifted, and people who devote months of game time maxing something out lose that edge they spent so long for. It sucks, but it works both ways too. Minmatar scout will now be more useful than ever. Assault suits has a niche and the opportunity to carry proto sidearms easily, inevitably though it was at the expense of logis. If something is nerfed to uselessness, it will come back eventually. Oh and the argument that it helps noobs more than vets isn't true. If I had 40 mil SP I could respec 20 mil into cores, and then 5 mil into the OP weapon and suit, I could save the other 15 mil to be ready to jump on the next thing. The 2 mil SP player in the long run doesn't have that much to move. The 7-15 mil SP characters are the only ones who can make the most of a respec, but once they spec into the next best thing how better off will they be when something else takes over and the vets are still the only ones able to get into it? Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1746	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:22:00 - [668] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. /thread Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else will I get my daily dose of HTFU if you end the thread. Should be DUST Bastard. Shhhh, don't fight it. It will all be over soon That's what I tell my wife all the time. Just relax, it will be ok. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1746	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:27:00 - [669] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. Sweet zombie Jesus I think he may be on to something. Want to make any bets on how long it will take for a respec thread after they give this one out? How long will it be before any thread is made for the reasons: It helps noobs, I messed up, things changed or they have give them out before? I want to say that within one month there will be three of the four. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1161	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:40:00 - [670] - Quote ANON Illuminati wrote: i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation. theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader. its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful. I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1942	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:42:00 - [671] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11796	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:51:00 - [672] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross And that's all well and good, I want the game to achieve a state of balance too, I think we all do. No one likes these constant back and forths. However. Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1754	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:55:00 - [673] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. This is the correct answer and the only correct answer. The thread should be locked now and all inquiries pointed to his post. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 197	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:29:00 - [674] - Quote Just say no to respecs.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:33:00 - [675] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Just say no to respecs. And why?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1760	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:34:00 - [676] - Quote common 35 pages here we come. if we break 50 pages. repec is garunteed. robot devil can help with that. lets argue some more Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:39:00 - [677] - Quote Why i just never achieve the proper con of RESPEC by anyone who is against it?! For now its mean there is basicaly nothing what is bad on RESPEC. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1757	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:43:00 - [678] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: common 35 pages here we come. if we break 50 pages. repec is garunteed. robot devil can help with that. lets argue some more Can't resist Must type long winded three dollar word posts. I am too busy thinking about how I would implement PC to be bothered by this thread but first I am going to find a fat girl to follow around to stick my needle in. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1943	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:10:00 - [679] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross And that's all well and good, I want the game to achieve a state of balance too, I think we all do. No one likes these constant back and forths. However. Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. I don't disagree with the fundamentals of what you're saying here, however it's also "chicken and the egg" because offering consistent respecs is just a band aid obscuring, and feeding into, the larger problem(s) which create this situation. I play support, which means that if the preliminary numbers/changes hold I'm getting double (or triple, depending on how you look at it) nerfed when 1.8 comes out. As a support player I have over 20 million SP into dropsuit upgrades for my equipment fittings etc, 20 mill and I don't even have any points into damage mods yet, and now some of my support fittings are going to be crippled by the changes to the point where I'll need another frame, or proto in each race (or both) just to provide the same supporting roles I do currently and I won't be able to do it as well even then. Meaning it'll take me months of grinding SP just to be able to almost provide the same support on the field that I do now... and even then it's going to come at a higher average per match cost. So am I happy with the upcoming prospect, am I content with how things stand, was I able to make a meaningfully informed decision regarding the investment of my SP? No to all of the above. That being said a respec still has negative impacts on the game, it homogenizes the meta for one thing and that reduction in diversity is also a reduction in fun factor on several fronts. We don't need less content in Dust (and effectively it is less content if fewer types of suit and build are being deployed). What we do need is a better balance method from CCP, more Dev Blogs providing solid information, more transparency, and a stronger focus on the NPE (PvE wouldn't hurt either, but that's another matter). You're right, we're not able to make informed meaningful choices right now, not as much as we should be, and that is what needs to change. Until it does, respecs or no, the frustrations et al will remain. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1943	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:12:00 - [680] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Why i just never achieve the proper con of RESPEC by anyone who is against it?! For now its mean there is basicaly nothing what is bad on RESPEC. The answer to that is far to large for a single post, but here's a quoted one with links that will make a good start on the subject. Cross Atu wrote: Quoted from a long time ago. Cross Atu wrote: See this thread for all the reasons why an unlimited or 'pay to play" respec system is bad for Dust and bad for New Eden. There are quite a few points raised in that thread, but if you can work out a way around those drawbacks then by all means lets discuss it. Cheers, Cross ps ~ there is however another thread which provided a possible alternative that solves many of the issues raised within the first link, perhaps starting there would be more desirable. SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:15:00 - [681] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross And that's all well and good, I want the game to achieve a state of balance too, I think we all do. No one likes these constant back and forths. However. Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. I don't disagree with the fundamentals of what you're saying here, however it's also "chicken and the egg" because offering consistent respecs is just a band aid obscuring, and feeding into, the larger problem(s) which create this situation. I play support, which means that if the preliminary numbers/changes hold I'm getting double (or triple, depending on how you look at it) nerfed when 1.8 comes out. As a support player I have over 20 million SP into dropsuit upgrades for my equipment fittings etc, 20 mill and I don't even have any points into damage mods yet, and now some of my support fittings are going to be crippled by the changes to the point where I'll need another frame, or proto in each race (or both) just to provide the same supporting roles I do currently and I won't be able to do it as well even then. Meaning it'll take me months of grinding SP just to be able to almost provide the same support on the field that I do now... and even then it's going to come at a higher average per match cost. So am I happy with the upcoming prospect, am I content with how things stand, was I able to make a meaningfully informed decision regarding the investment of my SP? No to all of the above. That being said a respec still has negative impacts on the game, it homogenizes the meta for one thing and that reduction in diversity is also a reduction in fun factor on several fronts. We don't need less content in Dust (and effectively it is less content if fewer types of suit and build are being deployed). What we do need is a better balance method from CCP, more Dev Blogs providing solid information, more transparency, and a stronger focus on the NPE (PvE wouldn't hurt either, but that's another matter). You're right, we're not able to make informed meaningful choices right now, not as much as we should be, and that is what needs to change. Until it does, respecs or no, the frustrations et al will remain. 0.02 ISK Cross From the other side, without RESPEC you will create more frustrations just by new mechaniques in suits and banned possbility to finaly spec in what community wanted before. If RESPEC will be achieved, there will be less frustratuion about implemented new mechaniques and suits. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:25:00 - [682] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Why i just never achieve the proper con of RESPEC by anyone who is against it?! For now its mean there is basicaly nothing what is bad on RESPEC. The answer to that is far to large for a single post, but here's a quoted one with links that will make a good start on the subject. Cross Atu wrote: Quoted from a long time ago. Cross Atu wrote: See this thread for all the reasons why an unlimited or 'pay to play" respec system is bad for Dust and bad for New Eden. There are quite a few points raised in that thread, but if you can work out a way around those drawbacks then by all means lets discuss it. Cheers, Cross ps ~ there is however another thread which provided a possible alternative that solves many of the issues raised within the first link, perhaps starting there would be more desirable. There wasnt any proper reason why its bad. Not only the one. Players were pushed to chose something what theydidint before and now they finally can spec in something what they wanted. Its really sad how someone thing:"No i dont like that idea and thats reason why i dont support it, even if i dont know why.", thats just ignorant nothing else. We, the COMMUNITY behind RESPEC, already state many arguments why there should be this option. From CCPs decissions (more often stepbacks) to implementation of new suits and changes in game mechaniques. Respec is only possible and only logic way to improve the gameplay and make community pleased. Its the only way how players who wanted be a for example caldari heavy, but pushed by unimplemented CCP to skill in amarrian suit, now have choise to put skill in they wanted asset. Game is that good, how pleased are players with it. If players are frustrated, game is not good, thats simple logic. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1767	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:51:00 - [683] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: common 35 pages here we come. if we break 50 pages. repec is garunteed. robot devil can help with that. lets argue some more Can't resist Must type long winded three dollar word posts. I am too busy thinking about how I would implement PC to be bothered by this thread but first I am going to find a fat girl to follow around to stick my needle in. My PC idea "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11820	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:56:00 - [684] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross And that's all well and good, I want the game to achieve a state of balance too, I think we all do. No one likes these constant back and forths. However. Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. I don't disagree with the fundamentals of what you're saying here, however it's also "chicken and the egg" because offering consistent respecs is just a band aid obscuring, and feeding into, the larger problem(s) which create this situation. I play support, which means that if the preliminary numbers/changes hold I'm getting double (or triple, depending on how you look at it) nerfed when 1.8 comes out. As a support player I have over 20 million SP into dropsuit upgrades for my equipment fittings etc, 20 mill and I don't even have any points into damage mods yet, and now some of my support fittings are going to be crippled by the changes to the point where I'll need another frame, or proto in each race (or both) just to provide the same supporting roles I do currently and I won't be able to do it as well even then. Meaning it'll take me months of grinding SP just to be able to almost provide the same support on the field that I do now... and even then it's going to come at a higher average per match cost. So am I happy with the upcoming prospect, am I content with how things stand, was I able to make a meaningfully informed decision regarding the investment of my SP? No to all of the above. That being said a respec still has negative impacts on the game, it homogenizes the meta for one thing and that reduction in diversity is also a reduction in fun factor on several fronts. We don't need less content in Dust (and effectively it is less content if fewer types of suit and build are being deployed). What we do need is a better balance method from CCP, more Dev Blogs providing solid information, more transparency, and a stronger focus on the NPE (PvE wouldn't hurt either, but that's another matter). You're right, we're not able to make informed meaningful choices right now, not as much as we should be, and that is what needs to change. Until it does, respecs or no, the frustrations et al will remain. 0.02 ISK Cross FoTM is going to happen right out of the bat with our without respecs. Many vets are just camping on SP, not because it's "smart", but because they anticipate CCP not having the guts to just give people the option to approach their new design philosophy how they would like to. Vets can afford to camp ont 5+ million SP, already have cores maxed, and a number of fits already at proto. They will do good regardless. I guess it's just a matter of preference. If I had a build like yours that was being nerfed to hell by CCP just because they had no clue what they wanted to do in the first place, I would just set the game down. I may even go on to warn people away from it. I'd probably keep my character just in case CCP ever pulled their head out of their asses later on down the road, but under no circumstances would I continue to provide my business or good word of mouth. The fear of FoTM is a fear of CCPs inability to balance their game. It's going to happen within the first few weeks, with or without a respec. This is all but guaranteed. The respec doesn't cause this issue, CCP does with their lack of foresight and inability to create properly balanced patches. Respec pleases and brings back faaaaaaaaaaaaar more players than it displeases and pushes away. Simply put, it's the better business decision. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1498	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:59:00 - [685] - Quote A respec gives a signifigant gain to vets over new players. If a new player poorly spends more than 1 mil SP... I honestly have little sympathy, it's how we learn make better choices. Did CCP do a **** poor job of preparing them? Hell yeah, and they should be held accountable, but a respec is a temporary fix, give it a month and people will demand another and another. Taking a slow build up approach over straight into proto gives everyone the opportunity to see if they really like what they're skilling into. If CCP gives a respec now, assuming there are no skill tree changes, these respec requests will never end and people will come expect them. Bonuses will continue to change, new content will be added and rebalancing will continuoly be done. If someone knows they can't ever spec out of something, they'll spend less time bitching about how useless it is and spend more time giving constructive feedback to balance it out. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11833	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:15:00 - [686] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: A respec gives a signifigant gain to vets over new players. If a new player poorly spends more than 1 mil SP... I honestly have little sympathy, it's how we learn make better choices. Did CCP do a **** poor job of preparing them? Hell yeah, and they should be held accountable, but a respec is a temporary fix, give it a month and people will demand another and another. Taking a slow build up approach over straight into proto gives everyone the opportunity to see if they really like what they're skilling into. If CCP gives a respec now, assuming there are no skill tree changes, these respec requests will never end and people will come expect them. Bonuses will continue to change, new content will be added and rebalancing will continuoly be done. If someone knows they can't ever spec out of something, they'll spend less time bitching about how useless it is and spend more time giving constructive feedback to balance it out. Yet if you go around drastically changing what people have already skilled into, what incentive is there to continue? Why should I pour many hours and even $$ into a game where my choices are inevitably going to be totally shaken up on me? If CCP could commit to a stable foundation, provide a baseline that only deviates through slight % tweaks here and there, legitimate respec requests would die out. I see the 7-15 million SP players benefiting the most. Most 20+ million SP players already have maxed builds and don't have much wasted SP to begin with. They only benefit by being able to play what they want, aka, enjoying the video game the way that they want to. If CCP would just do slight balance passes, none of this would be an issue. But, they aren't. They're going on 2 years now of not knowing what they want from their game. They are only JUST NOW beginning to give us actual racial parity. If this game finally comes out of beta, then we can talk about persistent decisions. Until then, this constant game of musical stats just serves to turn people away from the game, and away from supporting it with their money. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11833	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:26:00 - [687] - Quote What it boils down to is this: If CCP feels it's alright to withhold basic content, as well as randomly switch around the roles and usefulness of things we've long since spec'd into, then it only seems reasonable to allow players to use their accumulated SP how they want when the backlogged content is released, and major changes are made. For me, it's a business decision. Do I want to support a company that takes my money, then alters the product I pay for? Or do I stay with a company that takes my money, and honors that investment when they alter what I purchased? Worst case, no respec and I take a few months away from DUST. It doesn't bother me, I barely even play anymore as is. For me, this entire thing is about principle and little more. For now, I'm done with this "topic" Lord Neckbeard awaits. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1945	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:42:00 - [688] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The fear of FoTM is a fear of CCPs inability to balance their game. It's going to happen within the first few weeks, with or without a respec. This is all but guaranteed. The respec doesn't cause this issue, CCP does with their lack of foresight and inability to create properly balanced patches. That ignores the question of magnitude. Will FotM happen even without a respec? Sure, of course it will. Will FotM happen anywhere near as much without a respec? Nope, not even a chance. Removal of the diversity of fits and gear on the field, as a respec will feed, causes other balance implications and problems as well within a rock-scissors-paper set up. Am I saying things are properly balance in the current game state? Nope. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't get worse or that consistent respecs won't feed into the underlying problems. It's worth mentioning however that a one time only dropsuit refund with the new suits coming out does make a fair amount of sense, but that's not the same thing as offering respecs (it's not repeated, and it's not plural, plus it doesn't give everyone the option to dump all their points into the new "I Win" weapon). Offering respecs doesn't cause FotM, but it does make it more pervasive, thus making all of the problems with it bigger. Respecs also don't solve the game balance issues, even if they make them less bothersome to a portion of the player base there by drawing attention away from the core problem. Not having a solid, and yes balanced, skill system guts a huge part of Dust, and offering repeated respecs effectively cuts most of that system out of the game. Does the current iteration of the system need work? Absolutely. Are respecs a solution to that shortcoming? Absolutely not. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1771	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:45:00 - [689] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The fear of FoTM is a fear of CCPs inability to balance their game. It's going to happen within the first few weeks, with or without a respec. This is all but guaranteed. The respec doesn't cause this issue, CCP does with their lack of foresight and inability to create properly balanced patches. That ignores the question of magnitude. Will FotM happen even without a respec? Sure, of course it will. Will FotM happen anywhere near as much without a respec? Nope, not even a chance. Removal of the diversity of fits and gear on the field, as a respec will feed, causes other balance implications and problems as well within a rock-scissors-paper set up. Am I saying things are properly balance in the current game state? Nope. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't get worse or that consistent respecs won't feed into the underlying problems. It's worth mentioning however that a one time only dropsuit refund with the new suits coming out does make a fair amount of sense, but that's not the same thing as offering respecs (it's not repeated, and it's not plural, plus it doesn't give everyone the option to dump all their points into the new "I Win" weapon). Offering respecs doesn't cause FotM, but it does make it more pervasive, thus making all of the problems with it bigger. Respecs also don't solve the game balance issues, even if they make them less bothersome to a portion of the player base there by drawing attention away from the core problem. Not having a solid, and yes balanced, skill system guts a huge part of Dust, and offering repeated respecs effectively cuts most of that system out of the game. Does the current iteration of the system need work? Absolutely. Are respecs a solution to that shortcoming? Absolutely not. 0.02 ISK Cross yes "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1947	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:49:00 - [690] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What it boils down to is this: If CCP feels it's alright to withhold basic content, as well as randomly switch around the roles and usefulness of things we've long since spec'd into, then it only seems reasonable to allow players to use their accumulated SP how they want when the backlogged content is released, and major changes are made. For me, it's a business decision. Do I want to support a company that takes my money, then alters the product I pay for? Or do I stay with a company that takes my money, and honors that investment when they alter what I purchased? Worst case, no respec and I take a few months away from DUST. It doesn't bother me, I barely even play anymore as is. For me, this entire thing is about principle and little more. For now, I'm done with this "topic" Lord Neckbeard awaits. On this we generally agree, especially regarding the basic content being out. Racial versions of each item for example really are fundmental to the game and should be present. Having a refund related to those items when they come out makes sense, but that's where it needs to stop otherwise the effects begin to grow very negative for the game in general. I completely agree that altering a product retroactively after purchase is dirty pool and I won't be supporting that with my money either. The merc packs are a great example of this, the value of SP boosters, the mechanics of BPOs, et al are things that we bought and payed for and shouldn't be fundamentally altered after the fact. It's something that guts the legitimacy and trust in a micro transaction business model and for me personally is something that kills any willingness to recommend a game or product. CCP hasn't done this yet (in my eyes at least) but how they handle the question of BPOs, how they deal with the skill system, and whether they adopt a more measured approach to game balance will all tip the balance regarding whether or not that remains true. I enjoy the sandbox and meaningful choices, but those things can't really be present without proper communication and information flowing from CCP to the player base in a timely manner. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 774	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:03:00 - [691] - Quote Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit. Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? Best PVE idea I've seen.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1498	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:40:00 - [692] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit. Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 276	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:54:00 - [693] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit. Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec Why, he/she want have finaly his/her choosed suit. That is actually good reson for respec, finally play ROLE what is wanted. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1499	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:01:00 - [694] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If CCP would just do slight balance passes, none of this would be an issue. But, they aren't. They're going on 2 years now of not knowing what they want from their game. I agree. I've said countless times on the forums that the way they balance things is ridiculous, but a respec doesn't change that or solve the problem. EVE has gone through rebalances constantly, its part of the world and we all take the same risks when skilling into things. Afraid of the risk? Invest in core skill, save up SP, EVE players don't even have that option and they pay for all their SP. Why do so many feel entitled to dictate what CCP should do in a free to play game? They make their money off the grind, Aurum gear and boosters are how they keep the lights on. If it's too much for you leave. Life isn't fair, and half of what makes EVE and DUST interesting is that they aren't either. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1499	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:06:00 - [695] - Quote Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit? I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 277	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:24:00 - [696] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit? I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time. And there is another contra by me. If game will be finaly balanced and whole great. Do you will want had spent SP in something in what you was pushed to choose, just because there wasnt your wanted suit and you tried to make something near to what did you want?! I know my english is pretty crappy, let me tried that again. If you will be heavy, now only possible way spec in to Amarian one. And CCP arived with for example Gallentean Heavy what you wanted before. Do you really just left spent SPs in suit what you will never use again?! Because if it will be about me, no i will not leave any skill in something in what i was pushed to spent before, if there is possibility to put that in role what i wanted from day one in DUST. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
ANON Illuminati Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 569	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:06:00 - [697] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation. theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader. its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful. I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. ummmmmm Huh? how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11854	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:01:00 - [698] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: If it's too much for you leave. DUST has basically nothing but bad reviews for a reason. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 810	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:12:00 - [699] - Quote The people arguing against a single respec when 1.8 comes are saying it likr we're going to get respecs every month, and how it devalues SP decisions and such. A SINGLE respec doesn't devalue our decisions. Taking our ferrari and making it an airplane does. It's still cool, it's worth the same amount of money, but it does 2 completely different things. One (1) respec for the (hopefully) single time they completely change every suit on some of the most fundamental levels. I they do another complete overhaul that makes scouts the dedicated uplink runners and Logis don't need equipment because they ARE the equipment(think AoE buffs, like 4.5% ammo resupplied to allies per level) then that would warrant a respec, as logis have no need for equipment skills and scouts have a new fundamental need. 1.8 is making many heavies shield reliant. Many scouts are now more reliant on dampening(min scout now NEEDS lv5 dampening to dodge a lv3 gallogi(?)) many logis are now required to spec into things they may not hve previously specced into. What good is a minlogi specced into dampeners and biotics, who utilizes uplinks? What good is an amarr logi who shield tanks and uses rep tools? What about a Minmatar assault who uses Gallente weaponry, or a gallente (don't say they deserve it because of Fotm) using Rail Rifles to pay homage to their favorite build in EVE? What of the current 'amarr' commandos who use Plasma Cannons and Assault Rifles? Combat rifle mass driver? Only those who currently use laser rifles and scrambler rifles will be unaffected. What of the people who were really smart and use multi-racial weapon sets? Some use Swarm/scrambler, others use Sniper rifle/AR. They will be screwed over the most if they aren't given weapon refunds because they likely have 4 million SP into each weapon and are now going to be punished because of the lack of bonus to at least half their new build. A 1.8 amarr commando will be better off using a Militia AR on their gal commando than a proto or advanced Scrambler. A caldari sentinel will be better off using a Standard RR or sniper than the Laser rifle. In the near future we are expecting a Minmatar sniper rifle, do i expect a full respec when that happens? No, but a refund in sniper SP would be beneficial. Same for when the Amarr get a shotgun, or when the Caldari get a variant of the Mass Deover(missile rifle?) they will refund SP for that specific weapon and nothing else. Add in MTaC? No tank refunds. Add in Fighters? No derpie refunds(maybe ads, but we'll have to discuss that when it happens. As long as they add in new roles or weapon types with racial types at the same time or within an announced timframe(like "hey, we're releasing a marksman rifle for the Amarr, but the different tacials won't be out till later, and we aren't refunding SP when it does" would do the community wonders. I'm imagining they'll still whine, but much less so than if tey released the others later and gave no indications.) Edit: when the different Racial turrets come in, i expect full turret refunds as well. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3309	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:27:00 - [700] - Quote +1 for having some SP stashed on the side for these situations. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1161	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:06:00 - [701] - Quote ANON Illuminati wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation. theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader. its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful. I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. ummmmmm Huh? how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough. Since around August 2012. How is this relevant? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1503	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:57:00 - [702] - Quote They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11864	Posted - 2014.03.01 02:31:00 - [703] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over. It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tectonic Fusion 1151	Posted - 2014.03.01 02:42:00 - [704] - Quote Hello. I want a Respec. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Tectonic Fusion 1151	Posted - 2014.03.01 02:43:00 - [705] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in. Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;). If I want to be a Caldari scout or Caldari heavy, I won't need complex armor plates. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 502	Posted - 2014.03.01 02:46:00 - [706] - Quote I was told I should leave this here.... @Logibro - It's safe to assume the patch notes are right around the corner...I'm assuming next tuesday but won't hold my breath. Was wondering if/when we can expect a statement to be made about the possibility of a respec/refund? Will the patch notes contain the announcement? Will there be a seperate announcement? Is it something we will know when the patch notes do get released? Whether we do or don't it would be nice to know so we, as loyal mercs, can begin to theorycraft and plan our SP allocation accordingly. Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11867	Posted - 2014.03.01 02:49:00 - [707] - Quote Honestly, more than anything, I think no respec would prove how pointless the CPM is. They are almost unanimous on an SP refund, and this thread is more than proof enough that the majority of players would prefer this option. If CCP decides to ignore all that, then it's pretty clear that they have no desire to listen to us. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1161	Posted - 2014.03.01 03:09:00 - [708] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Honestly, more than anything, I think no respec would prove how pointless the CPM is. They are almost unanimous on an SP refund, and this thread is more than proof enough that the majority of players would prefer this option. If CCP decides to ignore all that, then it's pretty clear that they have no desire to listen to us. An idea being popular does not necessarily mean that it's a good one. Those are two seperate things and CCP not going with a respec for 1.8, let alone some regular respec feature, is neither indicative of them not listening nor of the CPM being useless. Whatever the case, it's their game. They will make a final decision at their own discretion and they're ones responsible for the outcome, whatever that may be. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1740	Posted - 2014.03.01 03:45:00 - [709] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Signed Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11874	Posted - 2014.03.01 04:02:00 - [710] - Quote I can feel that I have too much emotion over this subject, as it has been discussed quite often since beta. I apologize to CCP and any players (Alldin, THE Robot Devil, Aikuchi, Blueberries) who I may have offended with my fairly accurate and scientifically produced retort. I will now erase this thread from my memory, and leave you all to it. I can see that I will no longer be available for rational and useful discussion, and do not want to dilute what currently exists. Thank you, and good day. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 100	Posted - 2014.03.01 04:31:00 - [711] - Quote Well my respec petition thread got 28 signatures not including myself, so they have to have noticed that. bamboo x (Federation Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle) you
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2014.03.01 04:35:00 - [712] - Quote Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7. 1.8 may well become the time I set the user free never to return to the digital realm of New Eden ..
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1162	Posted - 2014.03.01 04:36:00 - [713] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Well my respec petition thread got 28 signatures not including myself, so they have to have noticed that. Mine did not as well. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 11	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:39:00 - [714] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7. 1.8 may well become the time I set the user free never to return to the digital realm of New Eden .. I'm there, too. But here's what's gonna happen: CCP will give us a dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrade, and weapons respec if not a full respec. This is because this game already has low ratings among all the game review magazines because it's a mediocre game. They have a loyal fan base and the outcry from that base is heavily in favor of a respec. They could gamble with the attitude that they could feed us **** and we'd keep on eating it, but I highly doubt they'd want to further alienate an already discontent and dwindling fan base. The only reason I'm still playing is my corpmates. But when ESO releases, how quick and easy would it be to shelve Dust for another big title? Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
mollerz 2494	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:53:00 - [715] - Quote I'd like to see: 1) The ability to reassign your faction. 2) A full infantry respec encompassing the Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrade, and weaponry skill trees. 3) A factional BPO exchange. For example, I have 7 dragonfly scout BPOs, yet run minmatar scout. All of this is to the point of RP a particular faction. The broken up development of Dust 514 means that anyone who has put money into the game (thus supported it) from closed beta on, has a very piecemeal spending of points reflecting what has been available over the past year. Rightly so, as the players were actively beta testing the software. Even when uprising was launched, the beta testing has continued. Now that we are at a point where racial parity is nearly achieved, it would be nice to tighten up my character to the point it reflected the character I would like to RP/create. The same goes for BPOs. As I said above, I have 7 dragonfly scout BPOs from buying merc packs early on. I would like to exchange some of them for factional counterparts that hadn't been developed at the time. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1504	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:41:00 - [716] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Marc Rime wrote: If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in. Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;). If I want to be a Caldari scout or Caldari heavy, I won't need complex armor plates. Oh how terrible, someone give this guy a full respec. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1504	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:43:00 - [717] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over. It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions. If it's not valuable,then why do you want them to give it back to you? Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Michael Pack Metalites 6	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:50:00 - [718] - Quote I we don't get a respect I will leave Soon (tm). Sorry just had to say it!
Kairos Nitak Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.03.01 10:14:00 - [719] - Quote I just want to throw my two cents into the mix. I sit on the fence on the respec issue, but i lean somewhat towards supporting a limited respec. Not for my own selfish wants. I would be fine and happy with my choices even though some of the changes wouldn't exactly favour my play style, but they wouldn't change the role of my suit so drastically as to make me change my mind. However I know there are certain people out there who deserve a respec, namely the Heavies who have devoted countless hours and SP to a heavy suit that they chose out of necessity rather than a premeditated decision. I have somewhere around 17mill SP invested in a few different roles, specificly Gal Assault and Logi, but I like to dabble in other roles including Heavy suites (especially recently due to the awesome event you are currently putting on). I personally think the respec should be limited to the Heavy and Scout suit trees. These roles are most effected by the coming changes and deserve the choice they should have been presented with in the first place. I don't think the other suits are changing drastically enough to warrant a respec. For the most part, the suits still cater to a specific play style which isn't being altered to a large degree in the coming update. If you are an armour tanking kind of person you will still want to stick with Gallente. If you are more of a hide and go shield-regen kinda player than you will stick with Caldari. Dropsuit Upgrades on the other hand will (for the most part) benefit anyone no matter the role they chose. Even if you are changing from a Armour tank to shield, it doesn't hurt having the choice to use armour in the future. As for the other upgrades, unless you're completely altering the way you will play the game, from electronics to equipment these skills will always come in handy. Therefore I believe they should be left alone. Weapons should not be touched either (except for heavy weapons if you are adding the new racial heavy weapons). There is not enough benefit to matching racial suits to weapons to warrant a change. The way I see it, if you are a lover of the CR, you are not going to switch to an AR just for a slightly faster reload speed (unless you over nerf some of the weapons). Besides, it only take like 600k sp to proto a weapon anyway. If you really want to change then save up for a couple weeks! Not here to push any buttons, just wanted to share my two cents with CCP. Cheers
ANON Illuminati Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 569	Posted - 2014.03.01 10:18:00 - [720] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation. theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader. its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful. I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. ummmmmm Huh? how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough. Since around August 2012. How is this relevant? as dust fiend said: This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over. It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions. so yes its relevant you havent been in the game long enough to argue anything about right or wrong. ive been here thru the closed beta since day one. i am a vet and dealt with the bs this game has given time after time and there should be no reason why we shouldnt get one simply because ccp decideds to change stuff up. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 118	Posted - 2014.03.01 12:31:00 - [721] - Quote Why is it people keep saying once this RESPEC occurs, people will cry for others? Just tell them no after this. Say you had your chance, you squandered it. Wait either another year, (assuming this happens yearly) or live with it. It's not like RESPEC threads haven't been around forever, but the fact is that so many people feel so strongly about this, and that we are giving more reasons than just, opps I got Dampening to Level 5, I meant Proto AR. That is BS, so they didn't get a respec. However in this, everyone wins. If you want to waste all your SP knowing your FOTM will be nerfed later, then there is no way lol that they will give you a nerf. By this point, you know at least one thing will be OP. If 1.8 is the Goldilock's patch of our dreams, then Kudos. Don't go straight proto if we get a Respec. Get something to Lvl 1, try it out with whatever you want. Like it? Great, you only put around 12,000 SP into it. Keep going. No likey at Lv3, leave, don't go Proto. The lack of Respecs has hopefully made people come to value them. The dumb will squander, the smart will keep it going, and slowly work towards their perfect merc. However, the smart mercs shouldn't be lumped with the dumb. Taking other arguments into consideration, I do have to agree. If I want to Shield Tank my Proto Minmatar Assault, and use Dampening then I don't want any armor. However, I do see the counter-point that armor will be good if you go down the road. Still, it's the player's choice, and that is something is game is built on. You can't shake up the foundation and then tell us to suck it up, people will just leave. We like being as in control as possible, despite this apparently being a sandbox shooter. Yes, this benefits mercs with higher SP...but doesn't everything. They are the one's who have played this game for Years, or taken a massive Haiatus. They are the one's who have gotten all that they want, so now they can always save up. Me, I'm Going all Core Dropsuit Upgrades at the moment. I don't have the luxury of saving up all my SP just to put it into a potential suit that may or may not be what I expect. If I were to get a Respec, I'd go All minmatar. Proto Logi and Assault, dabble in Commando or Heavy. However, I know far more now than I did when I joined last March. My suits that weren't there before are here now. I don't have to wear that Filthy Amarr vest any longer. People are saying well you didn't have to Spec into it. What the hell was I suppose to spec into prey tell? Bricks? I wanted to be more own racial heavy, I had to use another race's. I am not blaming CCP for not having these suits earlier as other forces are at work here, but I do not want to use any more Amarr suits. Commando? Good bye. We can argue days and weeks for this RESPEC, but this is the mother of all of them to date. If you do this now, you can stem the QQing by saying, "We gave you one. We won't give you one again." If you don't want anymore threads after this, then just say so. But please give us one now. The days are new, we have waited MONTHS for this update, and what better to do some spring cleaning (snow still on the ground yes I'm aware it's a figure of speech), than with a Respec? All in all: Vets will always have the advantage, persistent respecs is not what we want, just this one, this Respec can be provided with closure, and you have almost 40 pages of a good 90% yes, with 5% just saying no, and the other 5 wanting a RESPEC, but understanding why one may hurt. Thank you CCP for your consideration, but may you please grant us our wish? I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 894	Posted - 2014.03.01 12:44:00 - [722] - Quote I dont know what I will do if we DO NOT get any sort of respec, I am already getting to the point where I dont play as much. This is just my opinion but I do get the feeling if no sort of respecs are given out with the sweeping changes coming in 1.8 - I feel many players will stop playing and ultimately leave the game. On the other hand if we do get some sort of respec I feel that would even bring people back to the game. If 1.8 is a good solid patch with no bugs then people might even stick around. We keep hearing talk about how CCP Rouge is taking DUST to great new heights - well lets start to see this then because right now it is just more words. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 25	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:34:00 - [723] - Quote Most the people playing this game aren't going anywhere anyway so no respec means more =ƒÿó on forums.if they didn't give respec I would let passive stack till next significant build =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖç
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 26	Posted - 2014.03.01 15:41:00 - [724] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. I suppose it never occurred to you that not everyone has enough SP to just save? Some of us still have gear central to our build that we're trying to obtain. A build whose role is changing drastically in 1.8. A SP refund of the top three meta-trees is the only reasonable solution.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 632	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:09:00 - [725] - Quote Any more discussion at this point has no reason, at least in regards to it's ability to affect the outcome. I haven't heard of an argument for or against that was new or different than all the others. Arguments basically come out like this: In Favor: "The choice I made with my character were either not be a Heavy or be an Amarr Heavy. A refund would actually give me a choice like the Assault and Logistics players have had for 10 months", "Not doing is an insult to the players considering full racial parity should have been in the game nearly a year ago", and "Vehicle users got to reassign their points when there was an upheaval; we believe the addition of 8 dropsuits when there were only 12 before to be a major upheaval." Dissenting: "People should accept where they put in their SP even if it wasn't ideal", "There has been enough time to save SP to skill into the new stuff", or "this is a slippery slope; based of this, a respec would be demanded when new content comes out." CCP knows that the community is highly in favor of a Refund/Respec and the CPM are apparently in favor of it to. I am sure that they know all the arguments we have come up with on whatever side of the aisle we sit. It is a complex issue that goes into how CCP can react to a less than ideal situation where everyone is being vocal. It is nice that CCP hasn't just made a blanket statement in the regards of "we said no more respecs out of beta unless it was necessary because of removal and jumbling of skills" because this was a situation created by not having the content the game should have had on release. I can certainly understand the anxiety everyone is feeling. I really want to see what comes of this whole ordeal and get a full on look at 1.8.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1704	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:49:00 - [726] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. So tired of this topic. But he's one more opinion for the record. Context: I'm old school EVE. In fact my belief has always been that EVE is too dumbed down an has not been properly designed to induce rage, despair, abject fear and maniacal laughter. EVE has been pussified for marketing reasons. If i had my way, nobody would play EVE except for me and people i feared automatically because they were capable of playing EVE, both intellectually and psychologically. Ofc, the peeps who fall into that category are very few in number, and CCP needs to eat. That's where i'm coming from. In DUST when i worry about pubstomping, i'm really worrying on CCP's behalf about playerbase and market share and the success of DUST so that it can grow New Eden into what it should be. My personal opinion is that pubstomping hasn't even happened yet, and any player who cannot survive and prosper in our current environment has failed as a human being at a fundamental level and should be eaten and forgotten forever. I hope i've made clear my personal interpretation of what New Eden should be. Wrt respecs in DUST- i've built my character around core skills, and don't need or care about a respec as it makes little difference to me at this point. But here's the punchline, and it's very simple..... So much has changed regarding both items(suits, weapons, equipment, vehicles) and, probably more importantly, roles, that a respec/refund is warranted. What it says to the players is... 'We know we've made a hard game and demanded a lot of your personal time invested into the grind, and we acknowledge we are changing the game right under your feet. We are grateful for your patronage and respect your time. We feel that although this is a special case, a total refund of sp is warranted.' And i hate that you've put us in the position where i have to give up my hardcore values and actually say something like that, CCP. In terms of how you've handled this game, you're a clown. I support SP rollover.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1168	Posted - 2014.03.01 19:43:00 - [727] - Quote ANON Illuminati wrote: as dust fiend said:[...] I respect DUST Fiends integrity, honesty and passion on this matter too much to let this slip. You do not share DUST Fiends position on this subject. He is saying that a persistent skill tree is not working properly with the current state of development. He made clear more than once that, once we reach a stable game that allows for meaningful long term decisions, respec supporters can, and i quote: DUST Fiend wrote: suck it Your statement: ANON Illuminati wrote: [...]theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader.[...] Argues for a refund of skills for the sole reason of not being used anymore. It is opposed to a persistent skill system by default. You use DUST Fiends reasoning to support a position that hugely differs from what he, or any 1.8 respec supporter, is actually arguing for. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
jaksol returns DETHDEALERS Galactic Skyfleet Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:21:00 - [728] - Quote my resons for the the respect is that once the gallente heavy comes out i am going to want to go into it but I cant do it if all my sp is tied up in assault and logi skills when Iv been waited a long time for the gellente heavy.
logan turnbull Storm Ventures For All Mankind 0	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:51:00 - [729] - Quote ccp needs to respect the whole dropsuit skill tree and refund any isk or arum spent, just as they did with the tanks, seems fair to me ,and I have been playing since april of 2013, not that long but long enough. long range killing ,while having eyes on objectives and providing squad support.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1770	Posted - 2014.03.02 05:18:00 - [730] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What it boils down to is this: If CCP feels it's alright to withhold basic content, as well as randomly switch around the roles and usefulness of things we've long since spec'd into, then it only seems reasonable to allow players to use their accumulated SP how they want when the backlogged content is released, and major changes are made. For me, it's a business decision. Do I want to support a company that takes my money, then alters the product I pay for? Or do I stay with a company that takes my money, and honors that investment when they alter what I purchased? Worst case, no respec and I take a few months away from DUST. It doesn't bother me, I barely even play anymore as is. For me, this entire thing is about principle and little more. For now, I'm done with this "topic" Lord Neckbeard awaits. we are on page 37. if we make 50 pages, i want $10... paid in aurum Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 351	Posted - 2014.03.02 08:53:00 - [731] - Quote Wow still no response from CCP If tankers did get a sp respec wy can't infentry get it. After al 1,8 is bringing on changes that are just as big for infantry that 1,7 was for tanks. I am TOTALY against a full respec but the dropsuit comand should atlest be refunded. And I am TOTALY against that tankers should get one more respec in 1,8 ( if we are talkig total respec ) I can live with no respec with guns and equipment however I belive they should also be refunded sence they are geting a total overhaul and benefits from different suits. But the biggest resone for a respec is respect to the players and the time they have invested to different roles that over one patch will be made obselete. It's not just adjusting numbers it's taking away bunuses and giving them to others suits etc. Regards War never changes
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1508	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:30:00 - [732] - Quote Kairos Nitak wrote: I just want to throw my two cents into the mix. I sit on the fence on the respec issue, but i lean somewhat towards supporting a limited respec. Not for my own selfish wants. I would be fine and happy with my choices even though some of the changes wouldn't exactly favour my play style, but they wouldn't change the role of my suit so drastically as to make me change my mind. However I know there are certain people out there who deserve a respec, namely the Heavies who have devoted countless hours and SP to a heavy suit that they chose out of necessity rather than a premeditated decision. I have somewhere around 17mill SP invested in a few different roles, specificly Gal Assault and Logi, but I like to dabble in other roles including Heavy suites (especially recently due to the awesome event you are currently putting on). I personally think the respec should be limited to the Heavy and Scout suit trees. These roles are most effected by the coming changes and deserve the choice they should have been presented with in the first place. I don't think the other suits are changing drastically enough to warrant a respec. For the most part, the suits still cater to a specific play style which isn't being altered to a large degree in the coming update. If you are an armour tanking kind of person you will still want to stick with Gallente. If you are more of a hide and go shield-regen kinda player than you will stick with Caldari. Dropsuit Upgrades on the other hand will (for the most part) benefit anyone no matter the role they chose. Even if you are changing from a Armour tank to shield, it doesn't hurt having the choice to use armour in the future. As for the other upgrades, unless you're completely altering the way you will play the game, from electronics to equipment these skills will always come in handy. Therefore I believe they should be left alone. Weapons should not be touched either (except for heavy weapons if you are adding the new racial heavy weapons). There is not enough benefit to matching racial suits to weapons to warrant a change. The way I see it, if you are a lover of the CR, you are not going to switch to an AR just for a slightly faster reload speed (unless you over nerf some of the weapons). Besides, it only take like 600k sp to proto a weapon anyway. If you really want to change then save up for a couple weeks! Not here to push any buttons, just wanted to share my two cents with CCP. Cheers Slow Clap, this is as far as I'll support a respec in 1.8 and these are some very good points as to why. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 106	Posted - 2014.03.02 10:10:00 - [733] - Quote I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners) It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. smh But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR. I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>smh You don't know my life! You don't know how many nanites to put in my cereal!
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 139	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:48:00 - [734] - Quote F*ck it, I'm bringing the M.O.A.B. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Vegetation Monster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 213	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:55:00 - [735] - Quote no respec confirmed link B Double O T Y
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 13	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:58:00 - [736] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: no respec confirmed link =ƒÿÆ it didn't say that in any way, shape, or form. Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 13	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:21:00 - [737] - Quote CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Vakki Yuki Eastern Aexun Society 12	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:41:00 - [738] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Specialization in improvisation.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1794	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:52:00 - [739] - Quote If you want my advice on how to run it then you should start running starter fits now and keep running starter fits till about two or three weeks after the patch is released and in the wild. By that time the notes don't really matter and the nerf/buff cycles will have started. I am going to wait till then to start trying to figure out my fits. It took nine months to get where we are now so don't fool yourself into thinking it may be different this time. I will read the notes the day they come out but I don't even consider them to correct at all, again just speaking from track record. I enjoy CCP games but we have to be honest but they do things differently. I don't get too wound up about things that they say they want to release because they think big and take risks and sometimes it makes them look inept or like they don't listen. With big risks come big rewards and that is how they do it. I am telling you that if you don't care about what is coming up then it is hard to be disappointed when it is all borked up. This is a long haul, slow burn game and you have to be ready for it and the bumps that come with it. If it was COD or any other traditionally released game I would completely understand the need for quicker announcements and tweaks. Don't expect them to deviate from their track record. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1794	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:55:00 - [740] - Quote Vakki Yuki wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:19:00 - [741] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Vakki Yuki wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. Can I have a Snickers instead? Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1797	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:27:00 - [742] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Vakki Yuki wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. Can I have a Snickers instead? Matrix reference but sure as long as you eat it with a knife and fork. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 82	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:06:00 - [743] - Quote full respec, why not.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11904	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:07:00 - [744] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dj grammer wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Vakki Yuki wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. Can I have a Snickers instead? Matrix reference but sure as long as you eat it with a knife and fork. I'd prefer to use a spoon Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 527	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:21:00 - [745] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Vakki Yuki wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. I see what you did there. Or did I? There is no spoon.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1513	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:48:00 - [746] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners) It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. smh But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR. I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>smh Support Lgosi's were screwed the second they gave us more CPU/PG and slots than any other suit, in a game where mods make a suit. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1811	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:23:00 - [747] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Storm Shelton wrote: I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners) It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. smh But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR. I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>smh Support Lgosi's were screwed the second they gave us more CPU/PG and slots than any other suit, in a game where mods make a suit. The truth will out. The logi and assault suit should be almost the same in every way except bonuses and equipment slots so yes they shot themselves in the foot by trying to create a logi class with a suit that is better than any other. I believe it was short sightedness and lack of experience both of which can be fixed. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 119	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:02:00 - [748] - Quote Respec because this game is about choice. We have no choice in all these changes, even if they are beneficial, but a Respec will allow us to choose how we handle this new update. I want to be able to choose armor plates Lvl 5 over Lvl Shields, not hope I'll need it down the road. That's a million SP lost too me, and others. I've posted so many times on this topic, not that anyone cares, but to me it shows that others do also. Some keep bumping this, making this thread longer and longer. And we still post! No word from a dev and we continue to post! We care CCP, but it is obviously starting to get on people that you don't seem to. Now like some one said, perhaps you don't want us to go crazy with news. But please, we need something. There is only so many reasons we can give and recite for a Respec. You know what we want for the most part: Full because bonuses are being taken, changed, etc. Dropsuit Upgrades because I don't want Lvl 5 Armor on my Proto Sentinel (Assuming I had one, I don't), if I'm going into Caldari Heavy. Weapons for Racial Parity, and we have all tried out weapons by now. We have stuck with weapons and mistakes for MONTHS. A Respec is a thank you for sticking with these mistakes, and for continuing to play this game. Reason for Full: Vehicles got Respec, we can't Infantry? It is on Good faith. Many regret their "Wasted" (I say this in quotes because AV is still very viable, people just don't like the team coordination that goes into taken down vehicles these days) AV Sp, and would prefer it elsewhere Many tonnes of stuff. Reasons against: Goes against Lore. I say that Dust is different from EVE. We are not Capsuleers to my knowledge. We are a clone, placed in bodies that can operate outside of our Pods. We are the evolution. We can get a mind-wipe, just like how somone people get ammesia. But oh wait, here in the future we can now control what we remember? The maturity of our brain allows us to remember all our experiences (SP), but what we can actually do can be realloted. Done...Respec You live with your decisions. Cool, so I have to live with my decisions for the rest of my Dust Career? Really?! How does this help me? Yes, I'll unlock everything eventually, but it will go a lot quicker, and a lot more happily if I can get Lvl 5 in Scanners instead of B.S. Dropsuit Passive Scanning and Radius. Many other reasons, all of which I respect and are good. However we should have a Respec. It should at least be something. I say this not as a warning, but as a prediction. We all just celebrated another Year of Dust since the Open Beta. No Respec, and many people will leave. I don't want to sound like I'm making threats CCP. I love Dust. I just am curious if you give any care about us at all? If you're worried about a RESPEC rage after everyone screws up with 1.8, just say have a letter in the SP Page. Warn that this is perhaps the Last Respec that people will get for a LONG While, and that you will be ignoring all Respec Requests. Problem solved, at least until you nerf something. Just keep bumping this thread my fellow mercs. We get this bad boy to 40 pages and we may be onto something. 07, and be safe. 5-0 out I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 101	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:22:00 - [749] - Quote essentially we're still on beta, so i think the only sensible way forward is to liquidate sp for the full compliment of suits or be stuck in a skewed eve universe e.g. where all heavies are amarr experts ... no respec makes no sense. i think most who prefer no respec were just quite lucky ( or wise) in their original sp choices and are afraid they will loose some advantage. this has no place in the debate. me? im in the middle - happy with most of my investments, but after a suit shuffle, a respec is the only fair and rational way forwards.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1811	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:28:00 - [750] - Quote When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1323	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:20:00 - [751] - Quote jaksol returns wrote: my resons for the the respect is that once the gallente heavy comes out i am going to want to go into it but I cant do it if all my sp is tied up in assault and logi skills when Iv been waited a long time for the gellente heavy. if this were eve online they would give you all of the racial variants when the skill-tree became available. for instance: if I had destroyers 5 when the destroyers went racial, then I would receive every destroyer 5 and the skillpoints associated with it when those skills became available on patch day. no further skilling required, just log in and you're able to fly all 4 destroyers. but I believe they'll refund dropsuit tree skillpoints and make you re-spend them to avoid giving away all those skillpoints so early on in the game. after all, they'd be giving away 7.5 million sp to everyone who had amarr sentinel 5. that would be a bold move on ccp's part.
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 41	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:33:00 - [752] - Quote I would love to have a respec, especially if my preferred play style will be ruined in the new update.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1109	Posted - 2014.03.04 12:07:00 - [753] - Quote Looking forward to the first big threadnaught when respecs don't happen,
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 443	Posted - 2014.03.04 13:28:00 - [754] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400? Logibros a noob.... Ever see him play? My 10 yr old is better.... No likes for Logibro until he stops sucking at the game hes developing. ?..
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 285	Posted - 2014.03.04 13:38:00 - [755] - Quote Oki boyos and gals. For some time (i pressume till 1.8) i go in to passive mode. Im really sorry if someone from our community will be sad (maybe for my support of his idea or just for my roleplay here on forums), but i have some problems with spin of mine and i cant participate. Sorry (but from other side, the game itself is in horible state and i pressume i' ll not lose anything). Till that time seeya, maybe here, much possibly in TLoU multi (where im really big noob btw) or maybe after some time in DESTINY. I pray for our full community RESPEC, i really think we can ACHIEVE this. Till some time Good games and good fights. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 443	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:15:00 - [756] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it. No ones saying they cant call it what they want, same as you can call your large c l I t a p e n I s, still you must sit to pee.... Samething here, ok they are calling it, a released version, but use some logic and commom sense and what is it? Yes a tiny tiny beta, like, your c l I t.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11924	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:29:00 - [757] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Looking forward to the first big threadnaught when respecs don't happen, Most people who care enough about getting the respec would just quietly leave if denied one, so it may be a 3 page thread of 7 anti respec guys going back and forth before its locked and linked back to this thread Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 798	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:38:00 - [758] - Quote Many of you may have seen some of my posts opposed to the proposed LOGI changes for 1.8 and I think it is easy enough to find them, so I will keep this short. I want to keep the built in armor repairer, that said the Minmatar Hacking bonus was why I got the skills for the suit in the first place. CCP thanks for figuring out, a year into the full release after telling us that No More Respecs are going to happen, what "appropriate bonuses" for LOGI are. This left everyone no choice but to skill FOTY. From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. That sounds like all areas. Give us our SP back for all things Suit, Weapon, and Upgrade related. You have decided to change everything so it is time for a choice to be available. While you are at it you can also give us all the isk we have spent on assets back to cover our losses due to dev choices which have made this patch such a fail in terms of timeliness, game preservation, balance and KISS principle (Keep Itthe Same Stupid). CCP, don't be this Guy. Give a full respec. LogiGod earns his pips
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 28	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:11:00 - [759] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. Link or it didn't happen.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 28	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:13:00 - [760] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400? Logibros a noob.... Ever see him play? My 10 yr old is better.... No likes for Logibro until he stops sucking at the game hes developing. ?.. You might be surprised how often game dev's really aren't standout performers at the games they develop. It's not at all uncommon. A friend of mine works for Rockstar. He really isn't all that good at any of their games. I take him to school just about every time. He isn't bad, but he's far from stellar. EDIT: typo

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1816	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:32:00 - [761] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it. No ones saying they cant call it what they want, same as you can call your large c l I t a p e n I s, still you must sit to pee.... Samething here, ok they are calling it, a released version, but use some logic and commom sense and what is it? Yes a tiny tiny beta, like, your c l I t. Yeah your are correct. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 799	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:54:00 - [762] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. Link or it didn't happen. Your link LogiGod earns his pips
Duke Noobiam Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:12:00 - [763] - Quote I'd like a respect. All the arguments for both sides of the issue have been discussed at this point. Personnaly, the reason I want it is that it would allow me to reclaim about 3 million wasted SP. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 28	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:19:00 - [764] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. Link or it didn't happen. Your link Equipment Suits and Skills, has different weapon bonuses applied based on suit choice If you can't be bothered to find out what's changing stay out of a thread specifically related to issues with the way it's changing. These topics are stickied right next to the one you are trolling in. Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen." The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not. Get over yourself.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 28	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:31:00 - [765] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: I'd like a respect. All the arguments for both sides of the issue have been discussed at this point. Personnaly, the reason I want it is that it would allow me to reclaim about 3 million wasted SP. I just want to go back and max out armor, shields, core, engineering, and electronics upgrades. Then sit back and watch the ebb and flow of weapons/suits while I save up my SP.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1778	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:51:00 - [766] - Quote 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 253	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:52:00 - [767] - Quote Demand what? FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 30	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:59:00 - [768] - Quote I always chuckle to myself when I see people ask for a "respect".
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1326	Posted - 2014.03.04 18:01:00 - [769] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11950	Posted - 2014.03.04 18:18:00 - [770] - Quote low genius wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. DUST does have a very tiny player base, of which a majority seem to support or at least not oppose a respec... which would indeed mean that a few demand it....your point is....? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 800	Posted - 2014.03.04 18:51:00 - [771] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: From what I understand, the CHANGES ARE slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. Link or it didn't happen. Your link Equipment Suits and Skills, has different weapon bonuses applied based on suit choice If you can't be bothered to find out what's changing stay out of a thread specifically related to issues with the way it's changing. These topics are stickied right next to the one you are trolling in. Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen." The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not. Get over yourself. My appologies, Dusts gets a Respec called 1.8, it is OP and will kill me, I want one too now. I realize that i was thinking a respec would be good and placed the word in a spot it should not have been. Fixed. LogiGod earns his pips
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 104	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 - [772] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it. ha! doesnt matter what you think either for that matter but you still seem to feel the need to post it. you knew what i meant - game isnt complete, call it what they tell you but you cant deny what it is.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 104	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:26:00 - [773] - Quote low genius wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke?
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1178	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:03:00 - [774] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: low genius wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? There are, in fact, a few polls on the matter. I've mentioned two of those here. In short: Respec for 1.8 is popular. Respecs as an AUR feature are not. Being popular or not has no bearing on whether or not they're a good idea for the game overall, mind you. Those two are entirely seperate concepts and CCP is well adviced not to confuse them when making their decision. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 25	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:51:00 - [775] - Quote A aur respec should cost $88.55 USD just to **** ppl off =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖà
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 104	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:14:00 - [776] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: major faux-pas wrote: low genius wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? There are, in fact, a few polls on the matter. I've mentioned two of them here. In short: Respec for 1.8 is popular. Respecs as an AUR feature are not. Being popular or not has no bearing on whether or not they're a good idea for the game overall, mind you. Those two are entirely seperate concepts and CCP is well adviced not to confuse them when making their decision. so contrary to what is suggested above, from the poll it seems most want a full respec (ok, 'demand' is open to interpretation) while i agree not all should be decided upon popularity, pissing people off, is, generally speaking, not a good idea. i also have yet to see a succinct set of reasons why a respec is a bad idea. if the aim is to sync with eve, why have an sp imbalance for unbalanced skills based on what was available pre 1.8? Jin, while i do see the fun in pissing people off with aurum respecs... i think i might be one of them... while i can laugh at the rich boys buying aurum tanks, dealing with a mass shifting with flavour-of-the month weapons may get wearing.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1515	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:27:00 - [777] - Quote Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want to not give out a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1178	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:37:00 - [778] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: so contrary to what is suggested above, from the poll it seems most want a full respec (ok, 'demand' is open to interpretation) while i agree not all should be decided upon popularity, pissing people off, is, generally speaking, not a good idea. i also have yet to see a succinct set of reasons why a respec is a bad idea. if the aim is to sync with eve, why have an sp imbalance for unbalanced skills based on what was available pre 1.8? Jin, while i do see the fun in pissing people off with aurum respecs... i think i might be one of them... while i can laugh at the rich boys buying aurum tanks, dealing with a mass shifting with flavour-of-the month weapons may get wearing. I think one more respec has never been a problem to anybody. I'd say I'm as much a hardliner on this issue as it gets and I'd support a full global respec after whatever patch finally adds all the missing racial variants of every current role. The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month. There are several reasons why this would be terribad. Balance gets amazingly hard because the meta can completely shift within days after every patch with miniscule changes that would otherwise not even pass the threshold of being worth adopting outside of PC. This means increased performance pressure which will force even more people to follow the optimal paradigm which, in turn, kills diversity. The player economy turns into a volatile mess where you cannot possibly predict anything and every investment is pretty much a gamble, just like many say our skill choices are right now. No one will engage in this kind of market, certainly no EVE player and a merger is completely, -absolutely out of question. Most importantly. They do not actually fix what caused the demand for them in the first place. The issue is not a lack of respecs. It's the sweeping changes that happen after almost every patch and devaluate our skillchoices. They mask the immediate effect to the individual player but can only further amplify the underlying issue. That's why I keep stressing that a popular idea is not necessarily a good one. The thing everyone is asking for in the hope to improve the game can easily do the exact opposite in the long run. CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible. I would equate recurring respecs of any kind as nothing more than a blunt admittance that they're not up to the task and that I shouldn't bother to wait for that to happen any longer. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 245	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:43:00 - [779] - Quote Are we? Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 30	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:52:00 - [780] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen." The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not. My appologies, Dusts gets a Respec called 1.8, it is OP and will kill me, I want one too now. I realize that i was thinking a respec would be good and placed the word in a spot it should not have been. Zaaeed Massani wrote: Get over yourself. Over it Fixed. LOL, between that gif and your post you just made my night. Well played, sir. Well played.

iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:40:00 - [781] - Quote What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for newer players than for older ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1179	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:49:00 - [782] - Quote iliel wrote: What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for new players than old ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game. Just do the math how often you could respec from one 12m SP role to another and regain the penalty to do it again and you will see why 15% is no deterrent. Also, by that ruleset doing what i just described would generally be the superior approach to just hoarding the SP. Needing even three months to regain the penalty (at around 30% of 12m SP) is way faster than conventionally speccing those 12m. No one would bother accumulating more SP than needed for their role. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:02:00 - [783] - Quote No no no! We want a Respec just for 1.8, not consistent ones. Consistent Respecs destroys Dust since none of your choices give meaning! All that is needed is this one respec so we can clear the air and refresh ourselves. I do not support consistent respecs however that can be done at will, even if for money. Full Respec for this second to last time or until Dust has another MASSIVE (This does not mean the introduction of the Pilot suits) overhaul NO PAID RESPECS I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
see see-pee A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:44:00 - [784] - Quote RESPEC !!!! WE WANT IT.. WE DEMAND IT WE HAVE SPOKEN* don't jock my name either... See See-Pee On U Fools~
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 16	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:29:00 - [785] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: No no no! We want a Respec just for 1.8, not consistent ones. Consistent Respecs destroys Dust since none of your choices give meaning! All that is needed is this one respec so we can clear the air and refresh ourselves. I do not support consistent respecs however that can be done at will, even if for money. Full Respec for this second to last time or until Dust has another MASSIVE (This does not mean the introduction of the Pilot suits) overhaul NO PAID RESPECS Ok, that would be fair if our choices aren't changed durning an update. If they make drastic changes (like dropsuit functions or equipment-dropsuit synergy) then a respect is the only decent way to go. They're figuring this sh!t as they go, so until they reach their final product, we have to be given the chance to adjust. Only exception: rail rifles. If you spec'ed into those, I hope you gag on the nerf hammer they hit you with =ƒÿá Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 27	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:39:00 - [786] - Quote What if it started at 15% of your current sp for. A respec then went to 30% then 45%etc would that work =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖî
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 16	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:46:00 - [787] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Ya know what? That's a pretty decent point. A respec once they finalize the core game would appease me, though by that point I doubt I'll be gaming for the arthritis in my hands and my battles with Alzheimer's. It took them something around 10 years to get eve fairly balanced, and that's their flagship title. It seems CCP has the dust devs operating on a skeleton crew and a piggy bank for financing. The changes are too slow, too minute to inspire awe. I mean jeeesus, entire species evolve faster than this game. Darwin sits in awe. I understand the whole FotM argument, but they are forcing me to be a full time rep guy(min logi) when the versatility and survivability of the suit is why I spec'ed into it. No more assault logis? Fine, gimme back my points so I can go where I wanted to be to begin with. They really need to focus on balance because the FotM stuff is a huge turn off. Also, here's to our corps! Hope we make that thing happen! (Either ya know or ya don't) =ƒÿÄ Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 16	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:51:00 - [788] - Quote iliel wrote: What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for newer players than for older ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game. That would benefit the older gamers who have a surplus of sp laying around. Newer players would hurt Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1525	Posted - 2014.03.05 06:04:00 - [789] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Ya know what? That's a pretty decent point. A respec once they finalize the core game would appease me, though by that point I doubt I'll be gaming for the arthritis in my hands and my battles with Alzheimer's. It took them something around 10 years to get eve fairly balanced, and that's their flagship title. It seems CCP has the dust devs operating on a skeleton crew and a piggy bank for financing. The changes are too slow, too minute to inspire awe. I mean jeeesus, entire species evolve faster than this game. Darwin sits in awe. I understand the whole FotM argument, but they are forcing me to be a full time rep guy(min logi) when the versatility and survivability of the suit is why I spec'ed into it. No more assault logis? Fine, gimme back my points so I can go where I wanted to be to begin with. They really need to focus on balance because the FotM stuff is a huge turn off. Also, here's to our corps! Hope we make that thing happen! (Either ya know or ya don't) =ƒÿÄ So you're against any respecs ever again? Cool, even better. You finally get New Eden, it's fair because we're all equally fuc*ked. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 16	Posted - 2014.03.05 06:53:00 - [790] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Ya know what? That's a pretty decent point. A respec once they finalize the core game would appease me, though by that point I doubt I'll be gaming for the arthritis in my hands and my battles with Alzheimer's. It took them something around 10 years to get eve fairly balanced, and that's their flagship title. It seems CCP has the dust devs operating on a skeleton crew and a piggy bank for financing. The changes are too slow, too minute to inspire awe. I mean jeeesus, entire species evolve faster than this game. Darwin sits in awe. I understand the whole FotM argument, but they are forcing me to be a full time rep guy(min logi) when the versatility and survivability of the suit is why I spec'ed into it. No more assault logis? Fine, gimme back my points so I can go where I wanted to be to begin with. They really need to focus on balance because the FotM stuff is a huge turn off. Also, here's to our corps! Hope we make that thing happen! (Either ya know or ya don't) =ƒÿÄ So you're against any respecs ever again? Cool, even better. You finally get New Eden, it's fair because we're all equally fuc*ked. LMAO I can't say I'm against respects ever, only acknowledging the good points. I'm only half joking when I say respec everything but rail rifles. But I'm an experienced player. Respec would help me collect a few errant sp from my noob days, but if it f@$k$ over the lame FotM rail users, I can live with my regrets. =ƒÿê Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1482	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:02:00 - [791] - Quote Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time. Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects? Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice. CCP dont 'do a Sony' please. Drop it like its hat.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 16	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:05:00 - [792] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time. Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects? Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice. CCP dont 'do a Sony' please. I know exactly of what you speak. Then GEOHOT jail broke it, then Sony sued GEOHOT, then anonymous took down the PSN for a month+. Ah, 2011.... what a year.... Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1482	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:16:00 - [793] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time. Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects? Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice. CCP dont 'do a Sony' please. I know exactly of what you speak. Then GEOHOT jail broke it, then Sony sued GEOHOT, then anonymous took down the PSN for a month+. Ah, 2011.... what a year.... Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple. Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum. Drop it like its hat.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 17	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:21:00 - [794] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time. Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects? Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice. CCP dont 'do a Sony' please. I know exactly of what you speak. Then GEOHOT jail broke it, then Sony sued GEOHOT, then anonymous took down the PSN for a month+. Ah, 2011.... what a year.... Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple. Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum. Just like anywhere on the internet, you can meet brilliant, thought provoking people who can challenge your thoughts on a topic in an intelligent, enlightening manner; then you have the ones who, well, you know the other ones. Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 105	Posted - 2014.03.05 08:14:00 - [795] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. hi tallen, ok, i think the same about some of the threats etc. and i think only a few will switch off. im not personally convinced a full respec is entirely necessary (though some HAVE justified it). HOWeVEr i still only see one half of a reason you give above as to why a full respec should NOT be given. the first part about everyone thinking theyll get one with every change is not really justified because 1) this is a BIG change (arguably the one to take dust out of 'beta') .... ok there is only a number 1 here. more importantly, i'd say do not fear a respec culture, it is just a consequence of developing this game into something close to what it proclaims to be, while having gone 'live'. little tweaks will never call for respecs as is happening now. the reason you gave was to do with supply and demand. if we look at this: actually, there was previously no demand for the amar scout etc., and every heavy is now highly skilled in amar dropsuits. what does this mean? it means this precious (if indeed it is precious) balance of supply and demand will be completely skewed from the start IF there is NO respec.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 106	Posted - 2014.03.05 08:34:00 - [796] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month. CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible well said.... and I'd support one last full respec as the rest of the dropsuits come online. CCP have our email addresses, they could petition us for a vote, if we vote in support then their 'get out of jail' card will be granted: 'the community voted for no more respecs past 1.8'
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 44	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:16:00 - [797] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Many of you may have seen some of my posts opposed to the proposed LOGI changes for 1.8 and I think it is easy enough to find them, so I will keep this short. I want to keep the built in armor repairer, that said the Minmatar Hacking bonus was why I got the skills for the suit in the first place. CCP thanks for figuring out, a year into the full release after telling us that No More Respecs are going to happen, what "appropriate bonuses" for LOGI are. This left everyone no choice but to skill FOTY. From what I understand, the changes are slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. That sounds like all areas. Give us our SP back for all things Suit, Weapon, and Upgrade related. You have decided to change everything so it is time for a choice to be available. While you are at it you can also give us all the isk we have spent on assets back to cover our losses due to dev choices which have made this patch such a fail in terms of timeliness, game preservation, balance and KISS principle (Keep Itthe Same Stupid). CCP, don't be this Guy. Give a full respec. I could do so much with 30.6 million SP. If Logi are going to be nerfed so hard that we have not only stand right next to a heavy, but all of our other equipment is nerfed, I want to go heavy and scout. Also, bring back the promethius.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1823	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:21:00 - [798] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Many of you may have seen some of my posts opposed to the proposed LOGI changes for 1.8 and I think it is easy enough to find them, so I will keep this short. I want to keep the built in armor repairer, that said the Minmatar Hacking bonus was why I got the skills for the suit in the first place. CCP thanks for figuring out, a year into the full release after telling us that No More Respecs are going to happen, what "appropriate bonuses" for LOGI are. This left everyone no choice but to skill FOTY. From what I understand, the changes are slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. That sounds like all areas. Give us our SP back for all things Suit, Weapon, and Upgrade related. You have decided to change everything so it is time for a choice to be available. While you are at it you can also give us all the isk we have spent on assets back to cover our losses due to dev choices which have made this patch such a fail in terms of timeliness, game preservation, balance and KISS principle (Keep Itthe Same Stupid). CCP, don't be this Guy. Give a full respec. I could do so much with 30.6 million SP. If Logi are going to be nerfed so hard that we have not only stand right next to a heavy, but all of our other equipment is nerfed, I want to go heavy and scout. Also, bring back the promethius. Sticking with #logilove FTW and because I am a really bad shot. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 127	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:23:00 - [799] - Quote I'm worried that although most of 1.8 has been revealed to us... there is little to no mention of a respec. But the vast majority of players will be disappointed if there isn't. bamboo x (Federation Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle) you
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1823	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:30:00 - [800] - Quote The only thing noted so far is some weapon stuff, don't get down yet. It is difficult to produce the next version of dropsuits, we are very picky. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Jin no kami Valor Coalition 27	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:32:00 - [801] - Quote Yea they haven't said anything about respecs so it might not happen instead they might throw a triple sp week early April =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖì
Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 1	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:08:00 - [802] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month. CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible I don't think that is a very difficult thing for CCP to word well enough to not invoke a riot. There have been plenty of good reasons for a respec in 1.8 mentioned so far but I'll list off what comes to the top of my head. 1. The wasted SP sunk into basic medium frames 5 to unlock assault, logistics, and light frame 5 for scout suits which happened some time after release. They used to require lvl 5 basic, then they changed it to 3. There is no good/optimal reason to train basic light/medium frames 5 and the SP was not refunded which is 1mil SP per racial suit. Even IF you implement anything that requires basic suit lvl 5, at this rate it won't be for years. It wasn't just people from the beta running into this. 2. The simple argument that vehicles got a respec when they got a complete revamp, therefore infantry should get one as well. While infantry isn't getting a skill tree revamp, many, many things are changing all at once. -All 4 races of heavy and light suits are supposed to be released in 1.8, 4 of the most popular light weapons are getting damage reductions (the new proto is weaker than the current standard) as well as the SMG. The damage reduction will change how comfortable many players feel with each weapon and will start using others that suit them better based on how they fight (the amount of time on a target does influence what you prefer to shoot.) -Not only the damage reduction, but the new proficiency does the bonus damage to either armor or shield depending on the weapon, not both. That's kind of a big thing that will create new synergy with the already existing innate damage bonuses each weapon has to shield/armor (which is hidden from the game UI afaik, so it's not intuitive to people who know nothing about EVE) For example, I expect Minmatar assault to become a very strong choice with a combat rifle and flaylock with the increase clip sizes. It should be very strong in the current meta of armor tanking. These are the kinds of new synergies that we need the ability to experiment with without grinding another 5mil for the proto gear. -Speaking of Minmatar suits, not every suit role is changing drastically, but the Minmatar Logi suit sure is. It will become the COMPLETE opposite of what it is used for currently. It doesn't matter that veterans are usually sitting on millions of SP at a time, they're still saving it up (especially the minny logi) in the case that you don't give a respec which prevents them from investing that SP into ANYTHING else that they would actually enjoy. 3. Aside from potentially correcting "noob" mistakes with SP allocation, the new logi and assault suits are very interesting and appealing to try out. I'm sure there are people who are not happy with what they are currently specced into and its new bonuses. It's been close to a year since DUST has been playable and longer term players have been able to discover what htey like and dislike. I'm not saying that a respec every year should happen, but since a lot of intricacies are changing with 1.8 I think it's a justification on par with a skill tree revamp. 4. All of this AND some new handguns? It's great that you want to do a lot at once, but we need something to set us on our way. 5. Less of a reason and more of a critique. This mess really would not be as bad if there was any amount more of communication. Why are we dealing with NASCAR tanks for months? Did something just completely fall through the floor with your new builds attempting to address that issue? Are they meant to be the capitals of DUST, while Infantry are the subcapitals? Are you even considering giving us respecs or did you just want less clutter on the forums? Are any reasons given here convincing to you? Something, any kind of indication of what you are thinking would be great. 1.8 isn't a paradigm shift, but with all the changes in it and the little changes building up since release it's getting harder to continue to have fun. I'm not grinding out months of SP in a suit/weapon that I don't like, I'll just stop playing and come back in a year to try things out if DUST is still around.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1829	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:19:00 - [803] - Quote zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1528	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:35:00 - [804] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz WAKE UP!!! GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT A LITTLE MAKEUP!!!!! Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1833	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:39:00 - [805] - Quote I go natural, no need for makeup. If I had more hair I would be unstoppable, I guess I need to HTFU and just accept nearly perfect. Men want to be me and women think they can change me. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Giros Copic Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:45:00 - [806] - Quote Hi, i need a SP refund for this character, thanks for the queue.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1833	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:00:00 - [807] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time. Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects? Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice. CCP dont 'do a Sony' please. I know exactly of what you speak. Then GEOHOT jail broke it, then Sony sued GEOHOT, then anonymous took down the PSN for a month+. Ah, 2011.... what a year.... Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple. Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum. SONY did that to themselves. They developed a console that was backwards compatible, full of new tech and what customers wanted. Customers didn't like the price so they scaled back the PS3 to make it more affordable. Putting a different OS on the PS3 enabled pirates and game companies didn't like it. Consumers may pay the bills but they don't always want what is best. All the people who wanted to make supercomputers needed to do was not update the firmware, it's not like they were playing PS games. PS3 is a beast and if it had more memory that was in one large pool it would have been unstoppable. SONY said that they made it difficult to program for on purpose so it wouldn't be maxed out on the first day and it could last years. I guess they can't win them all. SONY makes the best electronics, they often use more ICs to do the same thing as other companies because the output quality is better than with fewer components. To be honest they use better components in cheaper electronics and more components that are slower in their more expensive stuff. Why? This is was told to my face by a SONY engineer, because they want their inexpensive electronics to work as well as their expensive electronics. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 483	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:07:00 - [808] - Quote after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. level 0 forum warrior weapon of choice: MARK V PYTHON. -STB sky marshall
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1834	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:10:00 - [809] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: METAL GEAR SOLID 1 Probably the best game ever made and if not then it has the best boss battles of any game. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 285	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:16:00 - [810] - Quote Hello all i sending you all greeting from hospital. Im here just for few, to observe how situation goin (due my healt issue with neck spin). Oki i have this idea, since CCPs no responce im pretty sure we made big YELL. (f.c.u.k. i feel really sick after that painkillers, that neck killing me and now stomach XD ) I'll sent here and on their support NEED RESPEC with link on this thread. And maybe we wll have some answer, i know its just try but what ican lose :P Who try with me?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

KurtisXLv Dream SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:24:00 - [811] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. Full Respec 1.8 this is An out rage Grind to get prototype to be NERFED
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 90	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:24:00 - [812] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. he has a point.... exellent MGS reference too :) theres defenatly going to be a full respec for 1.8.. otherwise CCP will just loose its entire playerbase... i still hate you though sivlerback :/ that bloody dropship!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines 486	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:38:00 - [813] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. SOCOM + suppressor for the Win you Fool ! (Okay i admit Fa-Mas was cool with these 3 last shiny shots ^^)
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1837	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:45:00 - [814] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2820	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:47:00 - [815] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: METAL GEAR SOLID 1 Probably the best game ever made and if not then it has the best boss battles of any game. MGS1 still my fave Intelligence is OP
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:16:00 - [816] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. Finally picked up revengeance, and i gotta say i love taking those ibtches apart and snatchin the life out of them. but i gotta disagree with everyone here. Mgs3 snake eater ftw. that battle with the end is the best boss fight i ever had.
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 488	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:22:00 - [817] - Quote the METAL GEAR fanchise is a true example of a game being only as good as its story... it really is the best game ever made. its the freaking alfa romeo of games lol level 0 forum warrior weapon of choice: MARK V PYTHON. -STB sky marshall
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 839	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:14:00 - [818] - Quote Given we've narrowed the 1.8 release window down to the 18th or 25th, shouldn't CCP be announcing their decision about the infantry respec round about now? The vehicle respec was announced on 20 Nov, three weeks before 1.7 release on 10 Dec.
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 44	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:10:00 - [819] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I'm worried that although most of 1.8 has been revealed to us... there is little to no mention of a respec. But the vast majority of players will be disappointed if there isn't. They are going to lose the rest of their players if they don't offer at least a partial resepc.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 639	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:15:00 - [820] - Quote Suppose I can chime in. I am in a full agreement with a respec. Even if a partial one. The reasoning behind my support is because there has been entire role changes result in wasted SP, especially for those that have limited SP. This extends as far as weapons, but I can see not giving a respec on weapons as those are least effected by the changes. (although weapons are still effected since they are role bonused in commando tree) For example, if I was full board wanting to becoming a Minmitar Logi because of the hacking bonus, I wouldn't likely have skill points for minmitar scout nor repair tools, both of which are changing in 1.8. Minmitar scouts likely have little to no SP in hacking skills and it will greatly improve their utility in 1.8. Above is only one scenario in a sea of changes. At minimum there should be a dropsuit command respec, but I fully support a dropsuit upgrades respec as well. I would prefer a full infantry respec (weapons, upgrades, command) as I feel thats the best case scenario. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1536	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:48:00 - [821] - Quote People try to tell me FOTM won't be a big deal if there is a respec while simultaneously scream about how their thing is nerfed and that other thing is buffed, and that's why they need a respec. So where is it you plan to move your SP if they give you a respec? From the nerfed thing to the buffed thing? I'm sure no one else will have the same idea. They're nerfing my AR further into the ground, it's my most skilled into weapon, I'm still not asking for a respec. I will fight ever harder to bring it back to balance, instead of running from it to the newest OP thing. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12025	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:12:00 - [822] - Quote I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 265	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:46:00 - [823] - Quote I think that perhaps you should consider a respect in 2.0. That gives enough changes with 1.6 to 2.0 for you to make and warrant a respec. You might consider also respecs for 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0, ect Not necessarily saying EVERY point O gets a respec, but when you add tons of new features in the coming years, take away, rebalance, add back, new weapons, new dropsuits, ect Its unfair to force people to not have total control over their skill points they grind to earn with protostompers being cheap and using every dirty trick in the book to screw them over. Its just not fair and its not becoming of a game intended to last alongside its big brother EVE Online. I'll make you a deal...if you give us a respect 2.0 or better, I'll design a custom flyer in photoshop, pay $60-70 and have it printed about 1,000 times and pass it out at high schools and colleges where I live to recruit new players for EVE/Dust. p.s. please fix the tanks with triple hardeners and being able to go so fast they jump hills like dirt bikes.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 930	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:47:00 - [824] - Quote Give me a respec so I can get every Caldari suit and weapons to Proto thank you that is all. *Closed Beta Vet* An ol' State Patriot Gone until the game gets better Estimated Wait: *ErrorWaitTimeToLong*
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 133	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:50:00 - [825] - Quote I am most interested in the decision at the end of all this. No respecs, and people will be so ticked off. CCP please just tell everyone this is a rare respecs, and that this will not be done again in the near future( at least another 8 to 10 months). IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1514	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:52:00 - [826] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: At least the gal scout will be great to brick tank, better at assaulting than logis and assault. Drop it like its hat.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12035	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:58:00 - [827] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: At least the gal scout will be great to brick tank, better at assaulting than logis and assault. I don't plan on fitting any tank at all, assuming the respec. Stealth speed and passive scanning for me. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1842	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:13:00 - [828] - Quote Western Ways wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. Finally picked up revengeance, and i gotta say i love taking those ibtches apart and snatchin the life out of them. but i gotta disagree with everyone here. Mgs3 snake eater ftw. that battle with the end is the best boss fight i ever had. Fighting in that field is bad ass. For a long time I said all MG needed was a shotgun and a knife and we got them in 3. That game is really good. I beat The End with a shotgun, took me while but I did and I also put him to sleep and took his tags, like all the others. I agree that the game is good but the Psycho Mantis battle is the most unique fight I have ever played and it totally hooked me. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN Valor Coalition 11	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:50:00 - [829] - Quote I should do my own respec i hate you for making our assault dropships get killed by a wimp in the redline whos to scared to get killed by me or a team member and risk as much as we are in this pathetic game. Quote: if you have all the money in the world you can have things get done!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 33	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:01:00 - [830] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: I should do my own respec i hate you This sounds like a child yelling at their parent to me lol. Let me know how your own respec goes. Also... Quote: Don't use it if you aren't willing to lose it.

Vesago Ghostcore Ghost Core Financial Underwriters Holding Quorum 106	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:28:00 - [831] - Quote Instead of offering/begging for respec's every time something changes, how about selling respec's for Aurum. Then the discussion about respec's ends. Heck, CCP could sell Respec's for real money, then let players trade them in the upcoming open market... heh heh. That's right Respec... Dust 514's PLEX.
Fluke 179 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:34:00 - [832] - Quote With the release of the 1.8 dev blog (Expanding The Arsenal With Uprising 1.8) along with the new Dropsuits & stats I expect a full respec of the following, Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades & Weaponry Skill trees.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1544	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:08:00 - [833] - Quote SS different page..... Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
White-Lion SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:34:00 - [834] - Quote I think a respec for dropsuits branch is needed at least. This means that the only thing would change are peoples roles, and they would have to adjust their suits to the guns they have. Pilot of Sver True Bloods See you in the sky
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 485	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:36:00 - [835] - Quote Ok, let's really look at this game. We first need to define what we need to have for this game to be considered complete, and what is considered an expansion. We got our first respecs because they released things that should have been released when the game came out of beta. Complete game needs: -All racial dropsuits 1. Light 2. Medium 3. Heavy -All racial weapons 1. Assault rifles 2. Sniper rifles 3. AV weapons 4. Smg 5. Pistol 4. Melee - all racial vehicles 1. Lav 2. Mav 3. Hav - core modules/skills Anything else should be considered expansions and require no respec. Like the commando suit. It isn't required to complete the core of the game, simply something new to be added on. The cloaks can be debated. Because they are new equipment, it would be considered an expansion. But, because they are changing the core skills of scouts to using this equipment, the cloaks are required to complete the core of the game and a respec should be given. As embarrassingly as it may be, it's time to put pride aside and simply call uprising (1.0-1.9) phase two open beta. There's nothing wrong with that. Then no one can argue against major changes to anything as they are not finalized and it will give CCP (whose also had many changes) a second chance for a better and more proper release with 2.0. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:46:00 - [836] - Quote Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12046	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:06:00 - [837] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1855	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:13:00 - [838] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. In your eyes but in CCP's eyes they were not core if they weren't released with the core. I can call cloaks core but that doesn't' mean they are. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they are core suits and weapons and should have been in the game but I disagree with that being a justification for refunds because any newly released item can be called a core item by us. There iare command nodes on the icon screen but not in the game, is that core? There are heavy and medium aircraft on the same screen but that does that meant hey are core? Pilot suit? Medium vehicles? My only point is that the "missing core" argument is a slippery slope. Nothing more than that. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1855	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:14:00 - [839] - Quote I am not trolling, I am simply debating the validity of those types of arguments. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12048	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:29:00 - [840] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. In your eyes but in CCP's eyes they were not core if they weren't released with the core. I can call cloaks core but that doesn't' mean they are. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they are core suits and weapons and should have been in the game but I disagree with that being a justification for refunds because any newly released item can be called a core item by us. There iare command nodes on the icon screen but not in the game, is that core? There are heavy and medium aircraft on the same screen but that does that meant hey are core? Pilot suit? Medium vehicles? My only point is that the "missing core" argument is a slippery slope. Nothing more than that. You're welcome to make that argument, just like we're welcome to make the argument that CCP screwed the pooch by having to scrap their whole initial engine, and we had to deal with their **** up by not having proper racial parity upon release. If CCP didn't want this game to follow in EVEs footsteps, they should not have put it in the same universe while simultaneously touting that "connection" as a primary draw for the game. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1856	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:35:00 - [841] - Quote Agreed. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 134	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:04:00 - [842] - Quote Core or not we are getting these suits niw and deserve a chance to Spec into yhem immeditely without needing to save Sp for months. Thats thequvalent of saving to b a while not paying the rent in your apartment of you are a 13 million SP player like myself. im still getting what I need for a fully proto proto suit. It is being changed without my consent. I no longer want my suit. Forcing to stay with it is like imprisoning Mr in my apartment. Eventually I'll just leave or have a massive argument with my lanflo IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 22	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:40:00 - [843] - Quote If your introducing new Heavy Sentinels then respec. But anyways plz respec the skills plz!!!!
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:44:00 - [844] - Quote Can you plz only give out a partial respec for scouts and heavies with the release of 1.8. just give us back the sp for suits or transfer all our sp to the suit of the race that we choose (using myself as an example) meaning you can put my lvl 5 heavy, lvl 5 commando and lvl 4 sentinel straight to the race of my choosing and make my sp exactly the same for this race as it was in my previous race. I honestly think it is fair since you did the same thing with the vehicle users
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12061	Posted - 2014.03.06 03:27:00 - [845] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Can you plz only give out a partial respec for scouts and heavies with the release of 1.8. just give us back the sp for suits or transfer all our sp to the suit of the race that we choose (using myself as an example) meaning you can put my lvl 5 heavy, lvl 5 commando and lvl 4 sentinel straight to the race of my choosing and make my sp exactly the same for this race as it was in my previous race. I honestly think it is fair since you did the same thing with the vehicle users That makes no sense simply because most people armor tank their Amarr Sentinels (because they're armor tanks), yet if they wanted to go into Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel, they would be more shield focused. Hence, at absolute minimum, you would need to refund Dropsuit Command and Upgrades. Weaponry should be refunded because of how the roles of every weapon has changed thanks to new damage and resistance profiles among other changes. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1859	Posted - 2014.03.06 03:28:00 - [846] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Core or not we are getting these suits niw and deserve a chance to Spec into yhem immeditely without needing to save Sp for months. Thats thequvalent of saving to b a while not paying the rent in your apartment of you are a 13 million SP player like myself. im still getting what I need for a fully proto proto suit. It is being changed without my consent. I no longer want my suit. Forcing to stay with it is like imprisoning Mr in my apartment. Eventually I'll just leave or have a massive argument with my lanflo This is the only reason that I feel like SP should be refunded and it is because the core isn't there, this type of situation where all suits are being changed and new suits that should have been there are being added ALL AT ONCE is the only time I agree with it. If the suits were to trickle out one or two at a time then I wouldn't even consider it but with is happening I think it is justified and is the right thing to do. I want every one to be treated fairly and some want to be a racial purist and the should be able to have it because it is what the game needs. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1548	Posted - 2014.03.06 05:01:00 - [847] - Quote When the game first came out everyone wasn't given a large pool of SP to instantly spec into whatever they wanted. Now that new suits are here why should they do that now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, respecs don't create balance, and they don't help anyone who starts playing after they are given. Nobody NEEDS a respec, they just really WANT one. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1861	Posted - 2014.03.06 05:18:00 - [848] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: When the game first came out everyone wasn't given a large pool of SP to instantly spec into whatever they wanted. Now that new suits are here why should they do that now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, respecs don't create balance, and they don't help anyone who starts playing after they are given. Nobody NEEDS a respec, they just really WANT one. You are correct and they are not needed by the person but I think it is needed by the game. I do hate saying that. Giving players a large pool of SP is probably a bad idea because people will get hurt when buffed or nerfed. When they hand it out it is going to be very interesting, I am serious when I say I'm not going to put any SP anywhere for about two weeks or more. Pure starters, just for fun. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12066	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:37:00 - [849] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: When the game first came out everyone wasn't given a large pool of SP to instantly spec into whatever they wanted. Now that new suits are here why should they do that now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, respecs don't create balance, and they don't help anyone who starts playing after they are given. Nobody NEEDS a respec, they just really WANT one. I only see old suits. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1862	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:44:00 - [850] - Quote Only seven more pages "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1527	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:47:00 - [851] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Only seven more pages Its over 9000!!! Drop it like its hat.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1549	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:31:00 - [852] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Unfortunately we didn't get a chance to redo the slots and PG/CPU for all the medium frames in Uprising 1.8. Expect those changes to come in a future update. So if we have a respec in 1.8, we should get one a month later as well? A slot layout change is a big deal. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 820	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:33:00 - [853] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: When the game first came out everyone wasn't given a large pool of SP to instantly spec into whatever they wanted. Now that new suits are here why should they do that now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, respecs don't create balance, and they don't help anyone who starts playing after they are given. Nobody NEEDS a respec, they just really WANT one. You are correct and they are not needed by the person but I think it is needed by the game. I do hate saying that. Giving players a large pool of SP is probably a bad idea because people will get hurt when buffed or nerfed. When they hand it out it is going to be very interesting, I am serious when I say I'm not going to put any SP anywhere for about two weeks or more. Pure starters, just for fun. Hmm. I've already prepared every point of my SP if full respec happens, and if only heavy/light siits are refunded, i'll still be fine because i'll have 2 scouts at the time. Along with a proto'd commando. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1549	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:34:00 - [854] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Only seven more pages We can be the kings of this post. DUST Fiend, come join us. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1527	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:36:00 - [855] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Unfortunately we didn't get a chance to redo the slots and PG/CPU for all the medium frames in Uprising 1.8. Expect those changes to come in a future update. So if we have a respec in 1.8, we should get one a month later as well? A slot layout change is a big deal. Im starting to think were not getting a infantry respec until the next expansion now. Manly due to the fact that mediums did not get slot layout changed. I will spec into gal scout for sure now. Bricktank 514. Drop it like its hat.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1862	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:51:00 - [856] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Unfortunately we didn't get a chance to redo the slots and PG/CPU for all the medium frames in Uprising 1.8. Expect those changes to come in a future update. So if we have a respec in 1.8, we should get one a month later as well? A slot layout change is a big deal. Im starting to think were not getting a infantry respec until the next expansion now. Manly due to the fact that mediums did not get slot layout changed. I will spec into gal scout for sure now. Bricktank 514. The only reason I keep replying "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 9	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:25:00 - [857] - Quote Out of curiosity, what percentage of us have actually spent money on this game? Why should CCP listen to those that have spent nothing and put forth no effort. The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
Exodeon Salviej the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 58	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:05:00 - [858] - Quote >_> Well, here's my idea for all the supposed whiners; The dropsuit respec that's been floating around, I'm okay with. A heapton of new dropsuits, and proto costs 1.2 mill SP to get it, that's about 1 and a half months, unless there's a triple SP event. This should be an utter guaranteed if there are new dropsuits to use. Weapons: Y'all are fools, it takes what...310k to get level 5 on a weapon? If you make a choice in the weapons section, you should DEAL with it, because it's so effing easy to get a new gun, a proto one as a matter of fact! Look at me, I was originally proto Minmatar Assault, I skilled into the Scrambler Rifle because I loved it. It's a great gun, and if you manage to get me to overheat, then you have a 50/50 chance of me commiting suicide and giving you a kill assist(if you dealt enough damage to me). BUT, alongside that, I have proficiency 5. My assault rifles are at Proficiency 3, and I can use ADV Tier on almost ANY weapon. ALMOST...ANY...WEAPON, and I'm at what...17 mill lifetime SP? -Flicks your foreheads.- I'm now a Commando, can you IMAGINE what that does for me? I have three proto commando suits; Ghengis Kahn - Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle, Longshot - Sniper Rifle/Swarm Launcher(albeit useless atm), and Gandhi - Laser Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle. Hell, I could so far as to get all of the sidearms too, but...I feel that would be a waste of the power I COULD put on the thing. ANYWAYS, complaining about a weapon respec, in my opinion, makes you look spoiled. ._. New weapons are easy, new suits are not. Simple as that, I've said my part, I'm good. Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 134	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:15:00 - [859] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Out of curiosity, what percentage of us have actually spent money on this game? Why should CCP listen to those that have spent nothing and put forth no effort. Not all of us have the money to spend. I'm 16, and I've been looking for work. Parents are behind in rent. Internet was recently cut off two months. I dont have money to spend on a game. And that is like saying youhave to pay to VOTE. It isnt how it I'd in the US (legally anyway ) and that's not how it is in Dust. Everyone who plays this game instead of another has a voice. Money, be it ISk or dollars means shiznit. Nothing more to say IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 134	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:25:00 - [860] - Quote Exodeon Salviej wrote: >_> Well, here's my idea for all the supposed whiners; The dropsuit respec that's been floating around, I'm okay with. A heapton of new dropsuits, and proto costs 1.2 mill SP to get it, that's about 1 and a half months, unless there's a triple SP event. This should be an utter guaranteed if there are new dropsuits to use. Weapons: Y'all are fools, it takes what...310k to get level 5 on a weapon? If you make a choice in the weapons section, you should DEAL with it, because it's so effing easy to get a new gun, a proto one as a matter of fact! Look at me, I was originally proto Minmatar Assault, I skilled into the Scrambler Rifle because I loved it. It's a great gun, and if you manage to get me to overheat, then you have a 50/50 chance of me commiting suicide and giving you a kill assist(if you dealt enough damage to me). BUT, alongside that, I have proficiency 5. My assault rifles are at Proficiency 3, and I can use ADV Tier on almost ANY weapon. ALMOST...ANY...WEAPON, and I'm at what...17 mill lifetime SP? -Flicks your foreheads.- I'm now a Commando, can you IMAGINE what that does for me? I have three proto commando suits; Ghengis Kahn - Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle, Longshot - Sniper Rifle/Swarm Launcher(albeit useless atm), and Gandhi - Laser Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle. Hell, I could so far as to get all of the sidearms too, but...I feel that would be a waste of the power I COULD put on the thing. ANYWAYS, complaining about a weapon respec, in my opinion, makes you look spoiled. ._. New weapons are easy, new suits are not. Simple as that, I've said my part, I'm good. There are around 8-10 light weapons in Dust at the moment. At all Proto and no proficiency, that's 3.4 million ISk. Thr bonuses for the suits are changing so some guns noe affect others differently. I no longer want to be specced into Sniper rifles or Scrambler. They were simply weapons I used because my Combat rifle was not in the game. Now that it is, I want racial parity. And to Proto a gun is 600k sp,, not 310k. So that actually means around 4 million SP. 12000, + 37k, +87k+ 174k+ 310k_= 620k Too much SP that I can't put forth to ehat I desire, even in just 1 gun IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 529	Posted - 2014.03.06 12:49:00 - [861] - Quote Here's a hint for people wanting a respec. Save your SP. Failing that, if you participated in Operation Mauler and got the full reward, you'll get 750k SP to put wherever you want. Save that until 1.8 drops. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.06 16:46:00 - [862] - Quote So many good players leaving BC the grind is boring. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
ERYN Warchild Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.03.06 16:59:00 - [863] - Quote Oh I hope they say no just to spite everyone. You made your SP choices to have the best weapons and broken fits. Now when it changes you whine and moan that you can't have the best fit any more? You know what? Suck it up and deal with it. Maybe next time you won't try for FotM but instead diversify. Say no CCP! Say no! Those of us who don't cater to FotM will be pleased with your commitment to changing the game for the better!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2020	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:35:00 - [864] - Quote ERYN Warchild wrote: Oh I hope they say no just to spite everyone. You made your SP choices to have the best weapons and broken fits. Now when it changes you whine and moan that you can't have the best fit any more? You know what? Suck it up and deal with it. Maybe next time you won't try for FotM but instead diversify. Say no CCP! Say no! Those of us who don't cater to FotM will be pleased with your commitment to changing the game for the better! Lol. You really think no respec will stop FOTM? I have 2 proto suits, maxed rails and shield tanks, 4 proto weapons, and all cores lvl 5. My alt has 1 proto suit, maxed cores, and 5 adv weapons and 1 proto weapon. Point is that most people who you call FOTMers have enough so across multiple areas to be "FOTM" no matter what. A respec doesn't hurt vets, just newer guys with only 2 things proto and MAYBE core skills maxed. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 146	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:39:00 - [865] - Quote Respec or not, there will ALWAYS be a Flavor of the Month gear. having 23 soon to be 24 million, I can have that FOTM anytime I want to. Sure a respec (infantry only) would cause me to spend stuff elsewhere. If they did spend it into FOTM they can expect a nerf and no respec in the aftermath. So if anything having a respec will not hurt nor remedy the situation. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1790	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:08:00 - [866] - Quote 7 more pages of support and we get a respec... common community you can do it Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 134	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:13:00 - [867] - Quote What part of I don't have the SP to save are some people not getting? I do not have cores maxed. I do not have tanks maxed. I am saving up for those. I do NOT participate in fit of the month because I am saving for other stuff. I do not have SP to sit back and save for these new suits as I am trying to be competitive with people like Charolette who have double my SP. A respec will at least allow me to try the new suits without having to hear all the "Rave" reviews. Come on community, 50 pages! IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 33	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:31:00 - [868] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: What part of I don't have the SP to save are some people not getting? I do not have cores maxed. I do not have tanks maxed. I am saving up for those. I do NOT participate in fit of the month because I am saving for other stuff. I do not have SP to sit back and save for these new suits as I am trying to be competitive with people like Charolette who have double my SP. A respec will at least allow me to try the new suits without having to hear all the "Rave" reviews. Come on community, 50 pages! I'm at roughly 5.4M SP and trying to compete with people that have 3-8x my SP. Personally, if we get a respec, I plan to max out armor, shields, and PG/CPU. Which, incidentally, takes a hair over 5M SP. Then I'll sit back and wait to see if my beloved Minmatar Commando (ACR/MD) is as weak as it might seem on paper before I spec into it. I'm hopeful that the combination of the damage bonus to both of those weapons (in addition to the MD buff and the ACR's smaller damage nerf) might be worth the significantly lessened health pool.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 137	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:44:00 - [869] - Quote Indeed. For the first week, I'm saving my SP. No way I'm skilling into suits and losing hundreds of thousands of ISK why the MagSec is setting the world on fire... IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 809	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:51:00 - [870] - Quote FOTM won't go away because there's no respect. There will always be FOTM chasers. Why punish people who are getting their suits changed because some people will chase whatever is OP? Best PVE idea I've seen.

Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 21	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:20:00 - [871] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: FOTM won't go away because there's no respect. There will always be FOTM chasers. Why punish people who are getting their suits changed because some people will chase whatever is OP? If the Devs understood balance, FotM could be resolved. It's all math. I don't see how they can run a business while sucking so bad at it. Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2025	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:24:00 - [872] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: What part of I don't have the SP to save are some people not getting? I do not have cores maxed. I do not have tanks maxed. I am saving up for those. I do NOT participate in fit of the month because I am saving for other stuff. I do not have SP to sit back and save for these new suits as I am trying to be competitive with people like Charolette who have double my SP. A respec will at least allow me to try the new suits without having to hear all the "Rave" reviews. Come on community, 50 pages! scary thing is there are people with 1.5x what i have O.o Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 820	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:13:00 - [873] - Quote From what we've heard so far, medium frames' CPU/pg and slotcounts are staying unchanged, so they're planning on changing them again at a later date. This leads me to conclude a FULL respec in 1.8 would only enrage the medframes down the line if any slots are removed(callogi's 5/4 setup, amarr's lack of a slot, minmatar assault's inability to use armor, yet caldari gets 4/3 allowing more freeedom between twin/damage tanking.) From my opinion, i would say still refund SP from Light/Heavy skilltrees, as many people are currently Amarr commando/galscout wishing to change races,(min commando for me) armor and shields aren't that necessary Atm, however a decent argument could lead me the other way. Equipment with logis has been changed, so i'm betting we should refund equipment only/all upgrades. Weapons i feel isn't that much of a problem come 1.8, as their roles are staying the same, hoever their roles with their suits is changing drastically, so this one could again be argued. We could go two ways: not respec until medframe changes, upsetting the logis/commando/sentinel/scouts in the community, however opens the avenue of respeccing come medframe changes. Other way would be to respec now, telling medframes to be careful spending SP there, as when the changes come they're not being respecced again. Alternatively we could refund medframe SP again when it comes time, but that's more neckbeard rage. As a nice alternative, we could refund only light/heavy skill trees in 1.8, followed by a full respec come 1.x when medframes change again. (Might be repeating itself, but i hope it makes sense enough for you to understand) No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1570	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:22:00 - [874] - Quote Or just always refund SP when a change is made. Drop it like its hat.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 820	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:29:00 - [875] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Or just always refund SP when a change is made. That is bad. Very very Bad. We can't be refunding SP every time a change is made, as that would just exascerbate the FoTM problem, along with any balancing changes: sure, everyone's using RR, but what's the reason? If its' doing comparitively good against Shotguns, the its' the hipfire/DPS/spool time. However... Nobody is using shotties because RR is the FoTM. Therefore CCP isn't able to say 'RR is too good because CQC ability steps on shotgun, nerf CQC RR. Only time full refunds are given is when the game fundamentally shifts, or when CCP screws something up- like typoing EVERY skill in the tree.(vehicle engineering?) No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 808	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:42:00 - [876] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Or just always refund SP when a change is made. That is bad. Very very Bad. We can't be refunding SP every time a change is made, as that would just exascerbate the FoTM problem, along with any balancing changes: sure, everyone's using RR, but what's the reason? If its' doing comparitively good against Shotguns, the its' the hipfire/DPS/spool time. However... Nobody is using shotties because RR is the FoTM. Therefore CCP isn't able to say 'RR is too good because CQC ability steps on shotgun, nerf CQC RR. Only time full refunds are given is when the game fundamentally shifts, or when CCP screws something up- like typoing EVERY skill in the tree.(vehicle engineering?) So, then what you are saying is for 1.8 there should be a respec? LogiGod earns his pips
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:05:00 - [877] - Quote Screwing with time to kill is a fundamental shift. Lowering the damage of the bread and butter weapons, and cutting damage mods in half turns many peoples worlds upside down. Changing the suit bonuses.. (the whole reason people chose to go into prototype suits) is a large enough change to warrant a respec in my opinion. Yes, even in a game where you cannot respec at will.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2014.03.07 11:53:00 - [878] - Quote I agree. Now that all these new guns are also coming out, people who can't save shouldn't be stepped on. Sure, you want to reward the vets. Guess what, they will always be rewarded. I also agree with the person whose argument on no medium frame slot changes means we shouldn't have a respec yet, but I would like on so badly. This puts me in a hard spot to discuss. I would say a minor respec for Assault suits, but that is just a ridiculous ideas. At the same time, why should only Scouts and Heavies get a Respec? I don't want me Proto Min Assault to constantly be getting flanked by all these new Scouts and their cloaks. I can't decide. At this time, I would still argue for a full respec, and then we can argue later about a respec for Assaults and other Medium Frames, but this really bugs me. 45 pages guys! 5 more!!!! IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1477	Posted - 2014.03.07 15:44:00 - [879] - Quote At this point all I really ***** want is an announcement one way or the ***** other. It's a simple executive decision, and it seems absolutely disrespectful to keep us in the dark like this. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 36	Posted - 2014.03.07 16:01:00 - [880] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: At this point all I really ***** want is an announcement one way or the ***** other. It's a simple executive decision, and it seems absolutely disrespectful to keep us in the dark like this. +1

NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 253	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:38:00 - [881] - Quote Saved up almost 6 million SP since you announced changes.. No need for a respec. That is all! Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 1	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:11:00 - [882] - Quote I saved up a whopping 300k SP! Don't need no respec to get my basic Heavy and Sidearms :D Though Vehicles respec set a precedent on the case ... If the whole Dropsuit Command skill tree layout is getting changed (like the vehicles) it might be a necessity to refund the SP for that particular skill tree.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 931	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:24:00 - [883] - Quote I wonder if my character has 30 mill sp yet i would love a respec. *Closed Beta Vet* An ol' State Patriot Gone until the game gets better Estimated Wait: *ErrorWaitTimeToLong*
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4867	Posted - 2014.03.07 19:28:00 - [884] - Quote Kinda hoping for one myself there's just so many things I either don't need, are no longer useful or have changed so drastically I just have no more reason to have SP invested into them. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Reallusion GrimSleeper Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:01:00 - [885] - Quote I believe respecs should ALWAYS take place when a spec'd item changes for the worse, but that is the only time. People know changes are going to happen regularly, so planning accordingly should be essential. I have a lot of stuff I specced into (wasted over 3 mil SP easily) for stuff I don't even use anymore due to changes, but I'm not complaining, it's just the way life works. But in a case like the damage modifiers, snipers don't do enough damage as it is, especially considering how wiggly mercs are on this game. It takes a great deal of practice and skill to get headshots on these people and after one hit they get even more slippery. The only reason I spec'd 10% damage mods is to actually be able to kill heavies sometimes with 3 good head shots, and half the time they STILL live, lol. I mean there head shots... Generally in games 1 headshot = dead no matter how strong the enemy is. Now it's going to take 4 or 5 headshots to bring down a real Heavy, meaning I have to empty a clip basically just to attempt to kill one. Of course I could go for lightweights, but hell.. even the Logis I'm seeing now are having over 1000hp. LOL. Under that notion, I believe if damage modifiers are to be lowered, then headshot multipliers should be re-evaluated. How does a pistol do over 4x damage it seems on a headshot (much easier with a pistol) but a sniper rifle does 1.75x ? that's kinda ridiculous. The sniper rifles should at LEAST do 2.35x on a headshot or something. I wouldn't have ever bought 5% damage mods with the low damage I already do cause it's pretty much pointless, but now my investment to 10% mods is basically dropping to the useless ones I would have never bought to begin with. That's pretty unfair and deserves a respect seriously. I don't believe FULL respecs should be given to anyone, but for universal modules/items that can be used by anyone? That's a completely different scenario. The damage mods effect pretty much EVERYONE on the game, but hurts Snipers the most. Join the revolution... change the future.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1552	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:50:00 - [886] - Quote Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Ripley Riley 935	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:22:00 - [887] - Quote 1.8 is bringing a lot of interesting changes to Dust: three new sidearms, dropsuit skill adjustments, and a new piece of equipment... but all of that is irrelevant. When 1.0 launched players lacked Amarr and Caldari scout dropsuits as well as all sentinel and commandos except Amarr. This forced players into selecting racial dropsuit decisions that they did not necessarily want. E.g. "I want to be a Minmatar sentinel... but I can't so I will go Amarr sentinel." This choice also effected what weapons, equipment, and tanking style they selected. Players should not be penalized by CCP's lack of dropsuit choice at 1.0. A refund of the SP/ISK in the Weaponry, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Dropsuit Command is in order. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:36:00 - [888] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Vets go FoTM anyway No 1.8 respec just allows the vets to monopolise and dominate even further .. the people it hurts the most are intermediate players with 5-16m SP
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1881	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:53:00 - [889] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: FOTM won't go away because there's no respect. There will always be FOTM chasers. Why punish people who are getting their suits changed because some people will chase whatever is OP? If the Devs understood balance, FotM could be resolved. It's all math. I don't see how they can run a business while sucking so bad at it. Because in game the math isn't straight forward like looking at a spread sheet. There are changing variables that make the maths come out differently when the math is live and not on paper. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1555	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:11:00 - [890] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Vets go FoTM anyway No 1.8 respec just allows the vets to monopolise and dominate even further .. the people it hurts the most are intermediate players with 5-16m SP I'm a vet with 0 SP in Flaylocks, tanks, or the Caldari Logi. 2/3 of my SP is in dropsuit core upgrades. I'm only proto in one suit and my most maxed weapon is the AR. Not having the option to respec means I'll fight harder for reasonable balance and diversity. A respec can only help anybody until the next update reshifts the balance. Vets will have an upper edge regardless, but having respecs doesn't encourage people with less SP to spend wisely. We should be demanding tiericide and balance before demanding respecs. I've stated it countless times it's a temporary fix that has long term negativr repercussions. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1881	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:15:00 - [891] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Vets go FoTM anyway No 1.8 respec just allows the vets to monopolise and dominate even further .. the people it hurts the most are intermediate players with 5-16m SP I'm a vet with 0 SP in Flaylocks, tanks, or the Caldari Logi. 2/3 of my SP is in dropsuit core upgrades. I'm only proto in one suit and my most maxed weapon is the AR. Not having the option to respec means I'll fight harder for reasonable balance and diversity. A respec can only help anybody until the next update reshifts the balance. Vets will have an upper edge regardless, but having respecs doesn't encourage people with less SP to spend wisely. We should be demanding tiericide and balance before demanding respecs. I've stated it countless times it's a temporary fix that has long term negativr repercussions. I have to agree, I have been here for a long time and I just now put SP into Flaylocks, I have no proto suits and only 2 proto weapons(SCR and LR, I never use) so saying that "Vets go FotM" is an assumption that is probably more incorrect than true. However I would like to see some data, if available, that points one way or the other. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 365	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:35:00 - [892] - Quote AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. War never changes
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1882	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:39:00 - [893] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 38	Posted - 2014.03.08 00:10:00 - [894] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. I've already uninstalled.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1888	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:25:00 - [895] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. I've already uninstalled. Then I will hide all your posts because if you don't play then you shouldn't be contributing to any discussions and the ones you do add to should be ignored because you clearly don't care enough to play so why should your comments be regarded as anything but trolling or totally inaccurate because you don't play the game. Looks like you lost DUST514, if you come back to the forums or play after uninstalling because you are mad, stating that you quit or anything in that vein. DUST514 beat you. No need to respond because all of your post are hidden and considered useless if you don't play the game. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 38	Posted - 2014.03.08 02:43:00 - [896] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. I've already uninstalled. Then I will hide all your posts because if you don't play then you shouldn't be contributing to any discussions and the ones you do add to should be ignored because you clearly don't care enough to play so why should your comments be regarded as anything but trolling or totally inaccurate because you don't play the game. Looks like you lost DUST514, if you come back to the forums or play after uninstalling because you are mad, stating that you quit or anything in that vein. DUST514 beat you. No need to respond because all of your post are hidden and considered useless if you don't play the game. Well, perhaps I should have given some background. I work full time. I commute to school full time. I have capped out a grand total of twice since I started playing in 1.6. I don't get to play often. Oh yes, and my grandfather died on Tuesday. All of the above, combined with the sub-par gaming experience of DUST has motivated me to take a short leave of absence so that I can do a more effective job of caring for my family, focusing on my schoolwork, and focusing some extra time on my training (I'm a competitive endurance athlete). Hopefully when I come back there will have been a SP refund...if not, then at least I have some passive boosters rolling and I'll have a few more SP to play with. If you truly have hidden this and all of my posts, then you won't know how much of an ******* you are -- but everyone else will. And that makes me chuckle. P.S. I only just uninstalled a couple hours ago, after suffering through a number of matches infested with RR Sentinels and super-tanks. So I'm perfectly up-to-date on the DUST experience. The game hasn't beaten me, quite the opposite in fact. I put the game in time out for the time being.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 25	Posted - 2014.03.08 02:49:00 - [897] - Quote Please, no respec. One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released. I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1194	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:24:00 - [898] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Well, perhaps I should have given some background. [...] No, no you really shouldn't. At the very least for your own sake. The Robot Devil made some unhelpful assumptions about your person but your response can only lead to further personal attacks that are entirely immaterial to the subject discussed in this thread. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 38	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:43:00 - [899] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Well, perhaps I should have given some background. [...] No, no you really shouldn't. At the very least for your own sake. The Robot Devil made some unhelpful assumptions about your person but your response can only lead to further personal attacks that are entirely immaterial to the subject discussed in this thread. Eh, I'm not worried about myself in the context of this community. Dabble in online forums long enough and you develop a thick enough skin that even the most caustic of personalities can't do squat to you. I really just wanted to accentuate his assumptions. Personal attacks worry me naught...however, you are absolutely right in that what I said is immaterial to the thread at this point so I will forgo further explanation. May the thread go on!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1891	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:54:00 - [900] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Well, perhaps I should have given some background. [...] No, no you really shouldn't. At the very least for your own sake. Try not to ever post anything personal in game or on the forums because people are mean and they will use it against you. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 365	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:14:00 - [901] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already. I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch. I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. I've already uninstalled. Then I will hide all your posts because if you don't play then you shouldn't be contributing to any discussions and the ones you do add to should be ignored because you clearly don't care enough to play so why should your comments be regarded as anything but trolling or totally inaccurate because you don't play the game. Looks like you lost DUST514, if you come back to the forums or play after uninstalling because you are mad, stating that you quit or anything in that vein. DUST514 beat you. No need to respond because all of your post are hidden and considered useless if you don't play the game. Who the f**k are you to decide who have the right to type in a open game forum? Maybee you are part of some kind of Dust Gestapo police force I don't know about! Now crawl back under the rock you came from troll. War never changes
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 143	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:20:00 - [902] - Quote Getting off topic people... IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 365	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:23:00 - [903] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Please, no respec. One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released. I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game. I TOTALY agree on this however when your choices are made mute buy a patch then a respec is in order. Like the mini logi that is going from fast ninja hacker to the fatty hugger that a mother will be proud of. There is more stuff like this in 1,8. Al those that state what you are saying fail to come up with any solid argument against that what soever. Me I have swayed from total respec to a respec only on the dropsuit command part. Regards Now I am done with this thread =ƒÿÆ War never changes
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1894	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:33:00 - [904] - Quote Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1195	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:47:00 - [905] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec? Half expect one. What i'm entirely sure about is that we will have this discussion again after every larger patch until CCP adopts a more incremental approach to balance. Respecs, or lack thereof, is not the issue, -never has been and they are no long term solution for anybody but those who disagree with a persistent skill tree by default. The feedback request stickies is where people should devote their energy into instead. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1894	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:08:00 - [906] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec? Half expect one. What i'm entirely sure about is that we will have this discussion again after every larger patch until CCP adopts a more incremental approach to balance. Respecs, or lack thereof, are not the issue, -never have been and they are no long term solution for anybody but those who disagree with a persistent skill tree by default. The feedback request stickies is where people should devote their energy into instead. +1 This is one of the better posts in this thread and couldn't agree more. We need content and it should be suits and weapons, trading/market and PVE in that order with tweaks for balancing in all of them. I would encourage a two or three month per update target -about four a year- with as many hot fixes as they can get out in between. Our focus, especially well know or veteran players, should be with new players and in the feedback section. I am bad at the feedback part because I feel like I am not good at the game so my feedback about mechanics isn't valid. That's why I usually hang in the general, I don't nerd out on games because it will burn me out. Fast. Kind of goes with the new player thing also. I am a good logi and stick up for real #logilove so I speak up for logi things that are good ideas or really bad ones. I might start trying more to get new players in a squad so I am not a hypocrite, as far as my above paragraph. I am a loner and I don't like my voice on coms so it is difficult. I guess just HTFU an do it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1557	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:09:00 - [907] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: RayRay James wrote: Please, no respec. One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released. I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game. I TOTALY agree on this however when your choices are made mute buy a patch then a respec is in order. Like the mini logi that is going from fast ninja hacker to the fatty hugger that a mother will be proud of. There is more stuff like this in 1,8. Al those that state what you are saying fail to come up with any solid argument against that what soever. Me I have swayed from total respec to a respec only on the dropsuit command part. Regards Now I am done with this thread =ƒÿÆ Minny Logi is still going to have a wicked fast hacking speed. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 823	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:17:00 - [908] - Quote Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack. Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4) In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 143	Posted - 2014.03.08 12:47:00 - [909] - Quote I could be down with the every 3 months Updates. But can they please not leave us in the dark like this consistently? Surely they have one person in Dust 514 PR reading these right? If not, I volunteer as tribute. I request on money, just a pizza break every 6 hours... Oh and I'm still in favor of a respec. Yes Respecs are detrimental to the game, but this would be one of the last ones. I do not truly know. Would the community be down with a Respec now, letting their medium suit slots change and not get one, and then get one FINAL (TM) respec when the vehicle turrets and tanks are out? IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Burntface man112 Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 129	Posted - 2014.03.08 18:32:00 - [910] - Quote respect it

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1558	Posted - 2014.03.08 18:45:00 - [911] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack. Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4) In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking. Assuming you stack all the lows with codebreakers, your point? Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:57:00 - [912] - Quote NO RESPEC!!! YES RESET!!! If you can determine who payed money towards the game they should definitely get some sort of benefit at the start of the reset. It could be tiered to give people who invested more money a slightly better boost but that's CCP's prerogative. I didn't put any money toward the game and I think that would be totally fair. Unless this isn't the final build. Then I guess wait til the next build comes out to reset otherwise people will panic. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Patrick57 5849	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:11:00 - [913] - Quote WE DESERVE A RESPEC!!! Now it's official. We're getting a respec.
Patrick57 5849	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:12:00 - [914] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack. Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4) In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking. It will also have **** for HP. Your point?
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 24	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:20:00 - [915] - Quote has this thread finally died, You all was so close to hitting 50 only 4 more pages to go guess you all are exhausted huh? HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 62	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:33:00 - [916] - Quote Ace Starburst supports dropsuit skill and weapon respec. It would be nice to get two maxed out heavies of contrasting styles like I wanted from the start. Granted I can still do that and it would take longer, but I would be less enthusiastic about the process and the game in general, and therefore less likely to encourage others to play the game. Ace Starbust also supports this thread getting 50 pages.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 150	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:52:00 - [917] - Quote CCP anything? Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1905	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:54:00 - [918] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: has this thread finally died, You all was so close to hitting 50 only 4 more pages to go guess you all are exhausted huh? It is difficult, I have been doing it for a while now. 50 here we come! "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Bulldozza Smash Ultramarine Corp 22	Posted - 2014.03.09 01:40:00 - [919] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Dear CCP, I know you are adverse to the idea of respecs. As Atli Mar said at EVE Vegas in the DUST keynote, the cost of rebalancing is substantial and is disruptive for the community and for you guys. While New Eden is built partly on the premise of living with your choices but there are several good reasons for a respec: Overdue racial parity Racial parity should have been in the game when you launched back in May 2013 but it wasn't. People have spent time and AUR to spec into what we were given but in all fairness had this stuff been in for launch it would have all been taken care of back then. One final respec is all that's needed now that this large (missing) chunk of the game is about to role out. Everything has changed! A lot of the freedom that we have at the moment is being taken away via more accurate racial tech affinities. There will be many with dropsuits and weapons that simply don't synergise. A full infantry respec is the right thing to do here. Increased lore awareness and faction loyalty I have seen many in the community who have found an affinity to one race or another for whatever reasons. I know that I want to go ALL Gallente on my 32 mill SP main and Minmatar on Covert, my 3 mill SP pride and joy. Support the community's love of the lore/races with a respec. We have been loyal We have stayed and supported your game over the past 2 years. We have bought AUR for a game that is incomplete, has been broken, had exploits and things like the 3 month tank stomp that took place when you made vehicles god mode. With PS4 here and many other games around, don't ** on those who have done their part to support your game. If DUST has a 10 year roadmap (and beyond?) then what is one final respec after the first year of release. I don't support respecs normally. I spent my SP wisely on things that accommodated my own strengths and never chased FotMs and I am 100% behind 'living with your choices' but with massive sweping changes and as a reward for enduring the *** clusterfuck of tank ** we had for the last quarter year, do your fanbase right. Sincerely COVERT Completely agreed, if you are going to add vast now content that with greatly alter the game I don't think a respec is unreasonable at all. Respecs for certain weapons yes but a change on this scale need a respec to all skills (except vehicle skills)... I mean corporation management to there are guys out there that spend a tonne of SP on corp skills and now don't need them at all lol. I know that is a bit of a push but i want a challenging and tactical game and the more SP my enemies and allies have to spend the better. Bulldozza Smash CEO Ultramarine Corp
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1198	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:20:00 - [920] - Quote Bulldozza Smash wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Dear CCP, I know you are adverse to the idea of respecs. As Atli Mar said at EVE Vegas in the DUST keynote, the cost of rebalancing is substantial and is disruptive for the community and for you guys. While New Eden is built partly on the premise of living with your choices but there are several good reasons for a respec: Overdue racial parity Racial parity should have been in the game when you launched back in May 2013 but it wasn't. People have spent time and AUR to spec into what we were given but in all fairness had this stuff been in for launch it would have all been taken care of back then. One final respec is all that's needed now that this large (missing) chunk of the game is about to role out. Everything has changed! A lot of the freedom that we have at the moment is being taken away via more accurate racial tech affinities. There will be many with dropsuits and weapons that simply don't synergise. A full infantry respec is the right thing to do here. Increased lore awareness and faction loyalty I have seen many in the community who have found an affinity to one race or another for whatever reasons. I know that I want to go ALL Gallente on my 32 mill SP main and Minmatar on Covert, my 3 mill SP pride and joy. Support the community's love of the lore/races with a respec. We have been loyal We have stayed and supported your game over the past 2 years. We have bought AUR for a game that is incomplete, has been broken, had exploits and things like the 3 month tank stomp that took place when you made vehicles god mode. With PS4 here and many other games around, don't ** on those who have done their part to support your game. If DUST has a 10 year roadmap (and beyond?) then what is one final respec after the first year of release. I don't support respecs normally. I spent my SP wisely on things that accommodated my own strengths and never chased FotMs and I am 100% behind 'living with your choices' but with massive sweping changes and as a reward for enduring the *** clusterfuck of tank ** we had for the last quarter year, do your fanbase right. Sincerely COVERT Completely agreed, if you are going to add vast now content that with greatly alter the game I don't think a respec is unreasonable at all. Respecs for certain weapons yes but a change on this scale need a respec to all skills (except vehicle skills)... I mean corporation management to there are guys out there that spend a tonne of SP on corp skills and now don't need them at all lol. I know that is a bit of a push but i want a challenging and tactical game and the more SP my enemies and allies have to spend the better. Well that's odd... first you quote, in full, COVERT SUBTERFUGE's post and "completely agree" with what he says yet shortly afterwords you strongly imply to be in favor of refunding skills simply because some people might no longer need them. Judging by the last segment of the quote i'm pretty sure that COVERT SUBTERFUGE would not, by any stretch of the imagination agree with this sentiment. His post can not be construed to be in support such a position either. I have an eerie sense of d+¬j+á vu right now. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 568	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:22:00 - [921] - Quote To Medium Frame Users: With the medium frame slot count not yet released but knowing that there will be some stat adjustments to the medium frame, irrespective of a slot overhaul, I would add a word of caution if the respec goes through. -WAIT- Seriously. When suit changes hit along with new variants for each class I have no doubt that we will want to jump into a new suit to commit to one bonus or another. But I would caution you to hold off until we know more because it sucks to make a change, commit, and then have that choice adjusted later on (we have all experienced it). So rather than risk the logi community, well medium frame community, crying for another respec after such changes we should look at our limited options. 1. We could choose to wait for the slot changes before committing to a suit. Focus on core upgrades, equipment, and a weapon or two while we wait for more news. 2. Knowing that some of us are committed to a race or bonus, regardless of changes, we will make the suit choice regardless of the future. 3. Choose a different class altogether - Scouts are the new Logi-lights. Or flee the Medium life and suit up in something a little heavier. Whatever you choose - there may be more choices as this was a quick note - know that it will be most likely be permanent. I support a respec, but do with that all the large changes were in before a respec. Or a skill revamp altogether. The Logi Code. The Way of the Logibro
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2014.03.09 14:18:00 - [922] - Quote This works with me. I plan on going all Minmatar anyway, for better or worst, along with Core Dropsuits. So many people have SP they wish they didn't spend. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 812	Posted - 2014.03.09 15:29:00 - [923] - Quote whens our weapon respec? Now? Please? Nemo me impune lacessit
Reallusion GrimSleeper Need Permission to Die LLC 6	Posted - 2014.03.09 15:43:00 - [924] - Quote Like I was saying before.... FULL Respecs I think are a ridiculous request, however some are DEFINITELY due. When new weapons come out = You don't need to use them to keep your current playstyle, it's like streetfighter or mortal kombat adding more characters. Are you tired of your current setup and want to learn something new? If not... When new DropSuits come out = I would feel the same way as the above to the most point, BUT... there are significant differences when it comes to the racial choices (the racial bonuses). How do you go into FACTION Warfare as the Gallente race, but you are wearing Amarr armor and shooting with a Caldari or Minmatar gun? Some people want to stay completely loyal to their race (suits, guns, etc.) but if there is no option for them to do that in the beginning, then that's kind of a catch-22. My choice for heavy suit would probably be based on the look (i like to look FRESH on the battlefield... sue me) but in other people's cases they would probably much more rather their default classes. You should at least allow people of a natural race a respec of heavy dropsuits so they can pick their natural race if they choose. When the Gallaente, Caldari, and Minmatar heavies come, anyone that has selected their race as those should be allowed to respec into their SOLE race only. This would eliminate everyone doing it, but give people their proper suits. When modules change = these modules are generally applied to a person's dropsuit EVERY GAME. I have a Logi - Sniper with 2x 25% dampeners / 3 complex light damage mods, etc. EVERY game that I bring him out, he has those complex mods on and in order to get decent kills, I cannot take those off. Now you are dropping his damage from mods by 50% and basically making a kala rifle do much less than a charge sniper rifle (which is by default going to be the only sniper rifle worth using now if you actually want a kill... and that does a half ass job too sometimes with the current state of hit detection) ^ Notice that I mentioned hit detection. Anytime your getting headshots and seeing it hit, blue sparking up, and ZERO life coming off... that needs a serious look. Some people have gotten this down to a science and know places to get where you literally cannot kill them outside of having a Thales and getting in a spot that you normally wouldn't get in anyway. Join the revolution... change the future.
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 15	Posted - 2014.03.10 01:08:00 - [925] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Do it right CCP, don't screw over your dwindling player base that has stuck with you through all of the issues so far. Refund everything not related to vehicle, every tree and ability you did not refund when you gave vehicle drivers the refund in 1.whatever. You might actually see people start returning if you give back the SP people spent on things that have been changing drastically over the last 8-12 months. This isn't about who does or does not deserve it (people will argue continuously for pages and pages on that) but more about respect and goodwill towards your community. If you think that, you have to refound all the turrents and the vehicles because there will be dropsuit who have a 25% of resistance to the blaster weapons, 25% to the rail weapons, and 25% to the proyectile and explotion resistance. So the turrents will be affected too. Regards! Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 15	Posted - 2014.03.10 01:21:00 - [926] - Quote Us have to respect the turrents too, they are affected, if us put resistance to blaster damage, to rail damage, to explotion damage. the turrents will be afecte too, so you have to respect that too :/ Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 23	Posted - 2014.03.10 03:48:00 - [927] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: This works with me. I plan on going all Minmatar anyway, for better or worst, along with Core Dropsuits. So many people have SP they wish they didn't spend. I'm with ya on that. Min commando will be my go to for: anti vehicle, combat rifle/mass driver/ flay lock/ remotes =ƒÿÄ Petals within petals, tadpole; The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:41:00 - [928] - Quote I wish to have a full respec in regards to Weaponry, Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and Dropsuit Command. I do not wish to wear this filthy Amarr suit any longer, and I do not have time or SP to save up 2 million just so I can "get competitive." Yes, I am competitent with what I have, but is everyone? Look at blueberries sometimes! Full respec please. I wish to have racial parity, and fight with a Boundless Combat Rifle on my Proto Minmatar Logistics, Assault, Heavy, Scout and Commando. I will even tell you my skills if I have a Respec 13 million SP Lvl 5 Electronics Lvl 5 Engineering Lvl 5 Biotics Lvl 5 Kinetic Catalyzers Lvl 5 Profile dampeners Lvl 5 Repair tool Lvl 3 Scanners Lvl 3 Drop uplinks Proto Flaylock Pistol Proto Nova Knives Proto Combat Rifle with full proficiency Proto Remotes Proto Minmatar Logi (At first) No idea how much I have left but I will be going into Minmatar Assault next =) IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2827	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:29:00 - [929] - Quote Give us a respec, a lot of people don't enjoy the game enough anymore to grind for the new stuff and all our suits are changing etc. Not giving us a respec will not bring back the epic, adventurous feel from beta, the maps don't even look semi natural anymore, all the maps feel like arenas than maps. That epicness is gone. Theres nothing great about unlocking anything anymore because the differences are marginal. Its all just meh. Out of every 30 recruits I get, I or rather YOU ccp are lucky to still have one playing this game after a week and I have been trying to build a corp with the same people for months. Most new players think your game is sht and a waste of time, I'm sorry. Another thing is that new players used to buy into the potential, now they don't. I have not recruited any recycled vets so I can assure you that these trends are most definite, other corps trying to build notice the same trends. I am really hoping 1.8 injects some mmo into dust. I have been trying to make this corp work and I'm now on the third time with the same people and have been doing this for at least 6 months now. Total recruits that stuck at dust in that time? About 10 out of hundreds. The other trend is that due to the npe, new players do not understand tax rate or pc even after being enlightened, so generally I assume your game attracts idiot's ( based off of definite trends I have observed) and to make it worse, idiots without a shred of dust knowledge. So the other trend is for these new players to join an established corp and then quit a week or two later. As my corp mate x7 lion stated, the game modes and depth sees dust become as bland and boring as any other shooter. Dust talks the talk like a regular Joe Larry but can walk for sht, dust has no legs in that department. Also we need more game and less meta. I'm pretty sure that any game that has a forum which is just as fun as the game it serves a purpose for is not a good thing, stop promoting meta to cover the inadequacies in the game, its obvious. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 547	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:41:00 - [930] - Quote At least let us respec suits... :P Tech Guard Recruiting Spot

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2828	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:24:00 - [931] - Quote Glad I got that copied and pasted as my separate thread was locked even though I am giving you tough love now. I don't expect you to like it. o7. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 321	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:49:00 - [932] - Quote My personal thoughts on respec You are adding the suit I've been waiting since chromosome for(min heavy) I would like a respec so I can be what I've wanted to be since "release"(the reason for quotes is this game was NOT ready for release especially since we didn't have racial variants of all suits) thus why I want my drop suit command refunded Since the min heavy is shield tank not an armor tank like the current amarr heavy....I have very little sp in shields as they weren't a nesesity......thus why I want my dropsuit upgrades refunded I want weaponry back because not only are you nerfing all the rifles you are buffing my weapon of choice back to its former glory(lr)[hopefully]GÇªGÇªGÇª IMHO respec should be available for purchase but make them quite expensive.....for both isk and aur Make them only useable once per year the timer resets at fan fest....kinda like a new years present for us dusters If they are useable multiple times then they should have a negative effect on your total sp amount Like using the respec twice a year would decrease your total sp by 20% Real heavies use lasers
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3371	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:11:00 - [933] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. That this thread even needs to exist is evidence enough that CCP should know what it has to do. No.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 28	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:43:00 - [934] - Quote Its official no respec with the million clone challenge =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1574	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:09:00 - [935] - Quote The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:16:00 - [936] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1575	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:22:00 - [937] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 393	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:28:00 - [938] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Oh man was not to type in here again You are kidding me right ? Only adding ! Yeah you must be kidding me I better go and break my fingers so I can't type anything that will get me banned 4 life War never changes
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:45:00 - [939] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more when all the content is complete. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. Those asking for respecs, you need to understand, the only reasons why CCP would ever give an SP refund would be because they changed the tree or removed a skill. Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Respecs require a lot of work on their part and the only thing they gain is making players a bit happier..... for a week or two, and then people just demand another. Always assume they won't giving a respec, be happy when they do, but if you can't handle not having one..... thank you for visiting New Eden, the exit door's over there. I won't go into it any further because I've stated my case over a dozen times already on this thread. Incorrect. 1.8 is the biggest thing we had added to Dust in Uprising yet. We are getting around SIX new DROPSUITS, 3 new guns, buffs and nerfs, as well as who knows what else? How is that not large? YOU CANNOT GET ANY LARGER than that. And the grind is still prevalent. If I shuffle around my 13 million SP, then some things will be unlocked, others not specced into. I will then have to go back into what I have now and unlock it, if I so CHOOSE. All we as players are asking for is a choice to have the suits that we've wanted. Nerfing a gun is almost the same as removing it. By lowering the damage, we are not getting the product we wanted. It's OP? Should have had that ironed out before you released it. The playerbase knows we're guinea pigs, but really? You can't use that reason for a not giving us a respec. And as I've previously stated, CCP can use the reason: " We just gave you a reason, not our fault you shot yourselves in the foot again" to justify not giving into us after the two weeks you said. We have gone almost a full year without one. Much has changed, much is being added. This thread is designed to discuss a respec, so please don't leave. If there is a flaw in anything I just stated, tell me. I feel very strongly about getting a respec. NUMEROUS HOURS OF GRIND spent on this game, no passive SP boosters. Grinding all day even after my bonus SP is gone. I love Dust. Is it truly too much to ask that I don't want to wait months to experience all it has to offer? Cause if it is then wow... Just my thoughts. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just respectfully disagree. Have a good day all. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 27	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:59:00 - [940] - Quote with that million clone challenge that their way of saying no respec I may be wrong though I hope I am HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1577	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:38:00 - [941] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Oh man was not to type in here again You are kidding me right ? Only adding ! Yeah you must be kidding me I better go and break my fingers so I can't type anything that will get me banned 4 life I don't understand you just repeated what I said without telling me what they are removing from the skill tree. This is all in relation to the skill tree, not the skills themselves. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 17	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:14:00 - [942] - Quote I believe they'll do what they did for vehicles: a partial respec. You'll get your dropsuit command reimbursed and you'll have what you spent to spend again. Weapons and modules won't be affected though. Hopefully they'll go to a tree that starts as medium then assault and logi, THEN racial bonuses same with heavy and light suits.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12093	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:24:00 - [943] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Not saying I would uninstall, though I will certainly be taking a break if they stonewall us on this issue. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
jerrmy12 kahoalii Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 426	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:26:00 - [944] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Oooh ****, burned. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 679	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:44:00 - [945] - Quote Meah...just give them the respec. There is nothing to lose at this point. Just make it the respec to end all (free) respecs. Granted the bulk of Heavy Weapons are not in the game but it is not a perfect universe. With all racial dropsuits coming the bonus overhaul it seems fair to those enduring this game for a chance to try and get it right. However, I would say in no uncertain terms that this is "it". No more free respecs after 1.8. And then introduce an AUR based respec available once every 12 months. Something has to pay for better development resources. Player tears are not keeping the lights on. Personally, only thing I would do different is not taking Minmatar Basic Medium Frames to level 5 (since it is not longer required). Sure I can find something to spend that SP on.
KGB Sleep 826	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:09:00 - [946] - Quote Does anyone think the million clone event is a "no on respec" from CCP? Makes sense to me, they wouldn't hand out SP right before 1.8 if they were getting ready to reimburse everyone. Because beer, that's why.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1241	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:28:00 - [947] - Quote patch notes confirmed for the 18th. they cant hold back the announcement of weather or not we get any SP back after that so thats the date we will obviously find out.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 322	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:53:00 - [948] - Quote Whole respec. Basicaly i was, like many many boyos here pushed to make something temporary and now i have a chance to put SP to proper suit. If i want to make my "final" suit i need to respec point in skill, what are obsolete for me and i will not use them anymore. There is basicaly no other chance and honestly if respec will not come, iam prepared to leave game finaly and forever. There will be Destiny, where my clan will migrate, on autumn and basicaly from this clan im already in dust alone. Whats mean no strings here. It sad, i saw DUST like son of MAG, but it was terible mistake. Mag was one and only proper MASSIVE game in this genre and i love it, sadly dust is not like that and never was. There was time, chromo time, but from that time game itself went flater and flater, no canyon anymore No place for tactical thinking, just buy the best weapon, with best suit and best hardened wehicle and you win. I was in army and its not working like this, never. I know many of boyos here can tell me:"This is not real world and its just a game.", but hell game should be fun and right now its fun for just sort of people. Look on this thread and on threads before, there is already community in dust community who is for respec. Other side just didnt gave us (community for respec) any reason, why respec shouldnt be here. I know there were respecs and i plead for them, but i didnt received any of them, just the vehicle i pressume. That was reason why i started once again and once again. But this isnt about me only, i tell you what i see in dust already. In dust i see many potential, but really c.r.a.p.y. core mechnics, mediocre playability and TOOOO MANY broken promises. What i dont like is lying, there is too many lies in game what basicaly already make me negative, when i start play. That negativness is with me everytime, when CCP announce something. I dont know if thats because Iam ASPI, but its really really f.cu..ed up. Another nail to DUST coffin i can imagine, than another missleading by CCP and this thread, where they basicaly dont say/answer anything from it foundation. For me Respec can revive already really divided game, it can bring back people and show them respect by ccp for time, what they spent with and for it. But for now i feeling whole this just like trolling by their side. I think this is all. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2058	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:34:00 - [949] - Quote face it: there are hundreds of players who would come back with a respec, and with a playbase of 2k-4k online at any time, it can use every player it can get. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1578	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:38:00 - [950] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Not saying I would uninstall, though I will certainly be taking a break if they stonewall us on this issue. Like a respec will fix their problems, it will just hold people off until the next build where they'll demand another respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2014.03.11 06:00:00 - [951] - Quote Why bother asking for a respec, they're either going to give one or not. Most likely they have already decided and don't care because for them its their job. Just like to you this is just another game. If there is no respec i'm simply giving up on dust for a year or so. Come back and see the developers trying to push the proverbial car out of the hole its been stuck in since they regressed the gameplay into Call of Dusties 514. Quit begging! stand up and either get what you want out of the game or move on. I really only stick around for the players at this time, the game is... sad... just sad and without the people i've met on here bringing me back well... my girlfriend is going to be a lot happier if we didn't get a respec... "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1610	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:21:00 - [952] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Okay, so lets take this discussion seriously and present some expected features of 1.8: - TTK will be tuned to be longer. => Dont know what skill tree this will affect, on an "abstract" level: all of them. - New racial content for infantry (heavies and scouts, yay!) => Approx 15-20% added SP sink to dropsuit skill tree. - Complete re-iteration of "old" dropsuit skill bonuses and stats => Change of 100% of current SP sink in dropsuit skill tree. - New weapons => Approx 10-15% more SP sink in weaponry skill tree. - Nerfs to "old" weapons, more specifically rifles => Rifles and SMG in weapon skill tree, estimated 30% of all weapons. - Weapon proficiency skill re-vamped to only affect armor or shield damage (depending on weapon) => Affects 100% of weaponry skill tree. - Over all equipment nerf => Various skills in dropsuit upgrades, estimated 15-20% of the SP sink affected. The points above have touched every infantry skill tree skill (dropsuit upgrades, weaponry and dropsuits). Is there really anything to discuss in this thread CCP? Quoting myself to update with the latest knowledge: CONFIRMED TTK will be tuned to be longer. CONFIRMED New racial content for infantry. CONFIRMED Complete re-iteration of "old" dropsuit skill bonuses (stats not revamped now). CONFIRMED New weapons. CONFIRMED, TTK fix Nerfs to "old" weapons, more specifically rifles. CONFIRMED, TTK fix Weapon proficiency skill re-vamped to only affect armor or shield damage. CONFIRMED Over all equipment nerf I have to say I am pretty good at guessing what will happen. What I did miss here was the infantry weapon damage mods being nerfed as well, and the grenade nerf. But I was right about everything else. It just adds to the SP-refund stew. So, in conclusion: - The infantry weaponry skill tree is affected by the weapon damage mod nerf, grenade nerf, proficiency nerf and weapon damage nerf. - The dropsuit command skill tree is completely changed, except for basic frames. - The dropsuit upgrades is staying the same, except for all the equipment nerfs. TL;DR Is there really anything to discuss in this thread CCP? Drop it like its hat.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 20	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:32:00 - [953] - Quote Positives for Respec: -Possible Player Base returning. -Allow people to play what they are comfortable with (suit/wep combo) and enjoy -Give people something new to spark their interests -Allow mistakes to be corrected to make a more competitive community -Fix the "Flavor of the Month" Nerfs -Fair treatment due to the Vehicle Respec Negatives of Respec: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) -Players will have to redo everything they know (people fear change) -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them There are many positives and negatives to a respec. I for one am for a respec however, it is not my decision to make just request. As a game developer they can't just throw respecs out everytime the community demands it. We all earned our SP and CHOSEto spend it, not CCP although they did chose to change said spent skills. Everyone that spent their SP did so full well and knowingly that this type of game has updates that can change the very fabric of its well being. I truly believe CCP will make the right decision but the people acting like children demanding crap before their birthday isn't going to help the situation. I understand that CCP is the supplier and we're the consumer and the supplier has to attempt to make the consumer happy but it's time for people to attempt to be respectful. That's all i gots to say about all this hoop-lah. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1612	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:39:00 - [954] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) ^ 20M+ SP players do already have several weapons and suits to run. They will only get marginally better than the guy with 5M SP that has to focus getting that first suit up and running with core skills. Linky: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147023&find=unread The argument above failed. Lunatic Kota wrote: -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them ^ Flavor of the month will happen, not because there is a respec, but because of CCPs slow updates to balance weapons and dropsuits. Even without a respec, many vets might already have the OP suit/weapon (OP stuff can be buffed items as well), or they saved 3-5M SP to spec into new stuff when the patch hits, because they already have so many weapons and suits. This argument also failed. That leaves you with 6 pro-¦s for and 1 con against a respec. Drop it like its hat.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 22	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:42:00 - [955] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) ^ 20M+ SP players do already have several weapons and suits to run. They will only get marginally better than the guy with 5M SP that has to focus getting that first suit up and running with core skills. Linky: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147023&find=unread The argument above failed. Lunatic Kota wrote: -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them ^ Flavor of the month will happen, not because there is a respec, but because of CCPs slow updates to balance weapons and dropsuits. Even without a respec, many vets might already have the OP suit/weapon (OP stuff can be buffed items as well), or they saved 3-5M SP to spec into new stuff when the patch hits, because they already have so many weapons and suits. This argument also failed. That leaves you with 6 pro-¦s for and 1 con against a respec. I was just trying to throw some random points together. I whole heartedly agree with you but my statements I suppose were very broad. There's a message in my Cheerios!
KGB Sleep 829	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:47:00 - [956] - Quote If a respec is implemented CCP should make it similar to the process used when biomassing a character. Button to select it on character screen, once initiated a series of messages explaining what a respec is and what will happen. After explanation a 24 / 48 hr timer activates. During this period it can be cancelled. Time expires, respec is performed, respec button greys out until reactivated by CCP. They could do blanket reactivation if needed or reactivate via ticket if circumstances required it. This way people have a choice. They can wait until they use up all of their purchased assets, they can choose not to respec ever, or they can have it immediately. I don't know if what I suggest is possible on CCP's end. It might be more difficult than that. Because beer, that's why.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:45:00 - [957] - Quote I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1614	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:47:00 - [958] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. Drop it like its hat.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:57:00 - [959] - Quote I know, dont tell me, but thats not a proper reason. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1615	Posted - 2014.03.11 12:01:00 - [960] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I know, dont tell me, but thats not a proper reason. Some does not seem to understand that this is the only underlying anti respec argument. Like you said earlier, noone can motivate why we should not get a full infantry refund. The argument about living with our choices is void and null when now that we have more information about what is going to happen in 1.8 (like I posted earlier). Drop it like its hat.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12105	Posted - 2014.03.11 12:41:00 - [961] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever. I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1615	Posted - 2014.03.11 13:06:00 - [962] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. What market? Drop it like its hat.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1579	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:03:00 - [963] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever. I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern. IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 350	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:48:00 - [964] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever. I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern. IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. Still repeating same story. Example, f i was by ccp pushed to put point on heavy by amarr and now i will have posibility to put that point in what i wanted, caldari/gallente/minmatar, then you telling me i should left that MY SP left in something what i will never use again?! If that so, then thats mean you are basicaly selfcentered beign. Because if you dont need, nobody dont need. Thats nothing else than just really selfish thinking. Nothing else. Hell i grind that points and i should be a person who can put it FINALY in what i wanted long time ago. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12113	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:17:00 - [965] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. I think we just have different views on what is necessary. For me, player enjoyment and satisfaction is necessary, and showing us that they finally want to provide racial parity is a very good time to get everyone on the same page. One way or the other, another respec is in the future, whether it's now or later on when racial vehicles and weapons are added. I simply argue that holding off helps nothing because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Letting people have fun in the mean time does nothing but let people have fun. If CCP wants to kill legit respec concerns, they provide racial parity, and leave it alone aside from occasional % passes here and there to better smooth out balance. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 10	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:41:00 - [966] - Quote Why should there be a full respec? I think a respec to all dropsuit related skills would be absolutely sufficient. Like with the vehicles 1.7 Everyone seems to ignore that and just bloats out their FULL or NONE arguments with a little OR ILL QUIT appendix to it. Why so black-and-white guys? Be reasonable! OR ILL QUIT THE GAME FOR GOOD!
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:16:00 - [967] - Quote I posted this in another tread but it should go in here really so here goes. My argument (not terribly clearly put) against a respec, includes a dig at FOTM chasers: "There shouldn't be a respec. Maybe drop suit command at a push but I'd rather they didn't. Skill points spent are meant to be permanent. Should they give you a respec every time they add something new? None of the current suits are going to have different roles than they had before. Maybe slayer logis will no longer be better at assaulting than assault suits, that's not a good enough reason for a respec. If you wanted to be the best at assaulting stuff you should have skilled into an assault suit in the first place. If you want a galente heavy, earn some sp and skill into it. The world won't end if you have to use an advanced suit for a bit. Fotm chasers should be made to earn sp for their chasing. It's an idiotic practice that only serves to limit variety in the game. As I recently saw in a video, in the current build you can run a shield tanked, dampened caldari assault in PC and destroy all the fotm chasing gal logis."
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1812	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:18:00 - [968] - Quote hot dog! only 2 more pages till a full respect. the million clone event is supposed to be CCP's way of saying no respec, but here is enough SP to get any one new thing you want to proto. I like the idea and event. but CCP your gonna have to give me at least 2 million SP to forget about a respec. lets barter Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 201	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:19:00 - [969] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: hot dog! only 2 more pages till a full respect. the million clone event is supposed to be CCP's way of saying no respec, but here is enough SP to get any one new thing you want to proto. I like the idea and event. but CCP your gonna have to give me at least 2 million SP to forget about a respec. lets barter Omega booster Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 17	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:26:00 - [970] - Quote I think wee need a ful respec, a vehicles and one of infantry, because with the new resistance the turrens are affected too... Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)

Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1205	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:41:00 - [971] - Quote Mell caneva wrote: I think wee need a ful respec, a vehicles and one of infantry, because with the new resistance the turrens are affected too... Everything is always affected by any balance change, if even just slightly. This logic would neccessate respecs after every miniscule change. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1585	Posted - 2014.03.11 19:57:00 - [972] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. I think we just have different views on what is necessary. For me, player enjoyment and satisfaction is necessary, and showing us that they finally want to provide racial parity is a very good time to get everyone on the same page. One way or the other, another respec is in the future, whether it's now or later on when racial vehicles and weapons are added. I simply argue that holding off helps nothing because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Letting people have fun in the mean time does nothing but let people have fun. If CCP wants to kill legit respec concerns, they provide racial parity, and leave it alone aside from occasional % passes here and there to better smooth out balance. Most players leave this game after the first hour. Two respecs didn't stop the huge drop off of veteran players when Uprising was released. If a respec can help make current players happier for more than just a couple of weeks what can it do for a player who starts the day after it's given? They still deal with a terrible NPE, poor tutorials, and are completely outmatched by all the vets. Those that stay eill see the only effective FOTM on the field, spec what little SP they first get into, and be left in the cold when it gets nerfed. Us vet will weather on regardless. It's a short term fix. Skill removal, tireicide, skillpoint cost reduction, or a complete skill tree reconfiguration all completely reasonable grounds for SP refunds, and it's not unlikely there will be plenty of opportunities for those in the future and I'll support them, but one for 1.8 as it stands I will not. I still await all the racial vehicles, weapons, and medium suit reconfiguration, and would rather wait for a "lots of new things and changes respec" then. People assume there will be a day where there will be no more grounds for a respec, everything is perfectly balance and we have all the content, but that day will never come, they will keep rebalancing, keep changing stats, and keep adding new things. Respecs can't be a regular mechanic, and this particular update shouldn't be an exception. 1st Respec: Complete Skill tree changes, skills taken away. 2nd Respec (by request): Skill tree cost changes. 3rd Respec: Complete vehicle tree changes (vehicles only) things taken away. 1.8: Skill tree gets more stuff and bonuses change. As far as we know, nothing is being taken away. Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have stand against that every time it comes up. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1915	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:03:00 - [973] - Quote Good post Tallen, I have said many of those same things before. I also have a problem with how people seem to want one just because something changes. Your are correct, that isn't and shouldn't be how it works. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12129	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:14:00 - [974] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have to stand against that every time it comes up. Fair enough. My build is personally being buffed, quite a bit in 1.8 (Hmg / Forge Sentinel) and since not refunding dropsuit SP is insane (because scouts and heavies should have the chance to play their races suit without sticking to the ones they didn't want) I will at least have a perfectly viable fit with very little wasted SP, right from the get go. That doesn't change that I still will basically never ever spawn in it, but while I do feel that's a legitimate concern in an FPS environment, I have not and will not ever argue that that's a legit call for a respec. My personal desires for a respec are selfish in that I just want to have fun doing the only thing that's fun to me (on the ground) in DUST: Scout. I have barely touched my heavy in many many months now, I only fly or run my scout that has no relevant skills other than basic core skills. For me, NPE is an entirely different topic (a vital topic, but a different topic). Respecs obviously don't take that much away from dev time, it's not like we're detracting from the games development by adding these in as a cushion to change. I want to see legit respec threads die. I want to laugh at QQ respec threads when someones FoTM gets nerf hammered for a bit. It's one thing for balance passes to come through and shake things up a little, but it's another thing entirely to release long awaited core material, and just tell people to deal with it; sit on the stuff we forced you to use, buy these nice omega boosters, and grind your happy ass into what you would have played from the start had we not ****** up and failed to release it on time. It's a slippery slope that CCP brought onto themselves, because even just refunding Dropsuit Command isn't enough when you consider each race prefers a different style of tanking. There are just too many arguments as to why these refunds are good at this exact moment. One way or the other, we'll know soon enough, and will see plenty of QQ threads on the forums regardless of which way the cookie crumbles. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:18:00 - [975] - Quote Completely agree with Tallen. A very eloquent description of how I also feel about respecs.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1588	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:33:00 - [976] - Quote More arguments don't necessarily make better arguments. As for myself I'm a fully specced Gallente Logi with maxed cores and my weapon of choice is the AR. Even if I was given a respec I'd keep what I have. Would I move around a million or two? Probably, but I would eventually skill back into what I had before, I skilled into nothing that I didn't enjoy at standard. I've always been a "if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto" kinda guy so the cost to get in a new suit are minimal and if it's worth taking to 5 I'll take the time to do it, using LP or AUR gear in the meantime. I always wanted to be a Gallente Heavy and seeing as how it was unreleased content that should have been there I just saved up. It wasn't even hard, we've had countless events that offered more than enough SP since the announcment of the new suits, I just didn't spend it on anything I wasn't sure about, same reason why I still won't spec into the CalLogi despite having the SP for it, and an interest in having it. It's not CCPs fault if I spec into the CalLogi and have none left for the suit I wanted more. For anyone who thinks it's unfair for me to be against respecs because I have so much SP, I've capped out almost every week for over a year, with boosters running most of the time. I've paid my fair share in both hours and dollars into this F2P game. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1916	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:39:00 - [977] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: "if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto" I have always said "if you can't do it in advanced then you can't do it" but it is about the same. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1916	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:42:00 - [978] - Quote Thinking of changing my signature again, should I stay with Fear and Loathing quotes or move on to something else. Fear and Loathing is one of the bet movies ever made but I kind of want something different, however there are a lot more quotes that would look good. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12130	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:49:00 - [979] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: More arguments don't necessarily make better arguments. As for myself I'm a fully specced Gallente Logi with maxed cores and my weapon of choice is the AR. Even if I was given a respec I'd keep what I have. Would I move around a million or two? Probably, but I would eventually skill back into what I had before, I skilled into nothing that I didn't enjoy at standard. I've always been a "if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto" kinda guy so the cost to get in a new suit are minimal and if it's worth taking to 5 I'll take the time to do it, using LP or AUR gear in the meantime. I always wanted to be a Gallente Heavy and seeing as how it was unreleased content that should have been there I just saved up. It wasn't even hard, we've had countless events that offered more than enough SP since the announcment of the new suits, I just didn't spend it on anything I wasn't sure about, same reason why I still won't spec into the CalLogi despite having the SP for it, and an interest in having it. It's not CCPs fault if I spec into the CalLogi and have none left for the suit I wanted more. For anyone who thinks it's unfair for me to be against respecs because I have so much SP, I've capped out almost every week for over a year, with boosters running most of the time. I've paid my fair share in both hours and dollars into this F2P game. On the first point I highlighted: That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit. I leveled in heavies for a variety of reasons, not all of which are even related to gameplay, however, it is related to the next point I highlighted. Many of us have played more than our fair share of this free to play game, of which many of us have dumped actual money into. So, while you feel the right to have earned your stance by your dedication, we feel exactly the same way. Plenty of us have poured far more time and effort into this game than it probably deserves, and we feel the right to spend that earned SP in an environment that has us informed. There are many, many examples that could be, and indeed have been made about this. The crux of the issue here is racial dropsuits. Even though all the other changes do point towards a call for a respec, none do so more than racial parity of dropsuits, as this effects both which upgrades and equipment you would choose, and with the new shift to damage profiles and bonuses to weapons, also applies to the Weapons tree. If you refund only Dropsuit Command, then you screw over players who went Amaar (armor) heavy, or who stacked up on low slot skills for scouts, so even if these people try to go into the suit they want, without a dropsuit Upgrades refund, they are ** out of luck, and have to sit on now useless skills. If you refund Upgrades and Command, but not weapons, you allow every other suit the chance to switch playstyles, except for heavies, since they will be forced to sit on heavy weapons that they can no longer use, even if they moved to their other option: Commandos. If you don't refund anything, then you ** off everyone who didn't think running around in BPOs for a year while they waited for their CORE suit to arrive made for very compelling gameplay. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 181	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:06:00 - [980] - Quote I don't remember choosing rail rifles or heavy suits. End the FoTM and respec. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.

Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 25	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:10:00 - [981] - Quote PROPOSAL Respec 1 week prior to 1.8's release but only for infantry gear (Suits, upgrades, and weapons) Give us the isk costs and sp costs for each new addition as well as publish all gear statistics at the same time. Players will have time to PLAN their character development and think things through. Sounds a lot like Uprising 1.0 but it should work if players are made fully aware of this option I messed up my skills, guess it't time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
ads alt 178	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:03:00 - [982] - Quote CCP POST IN THIS THREAD! Click here for 1.8 release date quote from devs
IceShifter Childhaspawn Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 471	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:17:00 - [983] - Quote I am in favor of a respec. An SP refund was supposed to be given any time the skill tree was altered and only to those skills being altered. Once CCP changes the suits themselves -they will have changed the game and the entire skill tree by proxy. I have too much SP to be really affected on way or another, but I do feel that this game is fundamentally being altered with the changes to the suits and that itself warrants the respec. CCP Logibro is awesome.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2105	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:55:00 - [984] - Quote Dear Devs: I would like to thank you for putting us, once more, at such a huge advantage over the lowly noobs and their 1-2 proto weapons and 1 suit. We vets have at least 2 proto suits, maxed cores, likely 3-4 proto weapons, AND tanks or dropships at our disposal. We are un-nerfable and we realize that you realize this. We appreciate you keeping the noobs down by forcing them to stay in their same under-powered fittings. To all the noobs: It sucks to be you. When My RR and CR are nerfed, and my Cal assault and logi suits roles are switched, I'll still be just as pubstompy as ever thanks to 2 suits that are prototype, my 300 mil ISK (on a bad day), and my proto SMG and Mass Driver...not to mention ridiculously overpowered tanks that are nigh unkillable by anyone who hasn't been tanking for the last year, straight. Remember there is nothing you can do. There is no respec; there is no hope. Just sit back and watch the vets stomp all over you with our unn-nerfable powers. Why bother worrying about being FOTM when I already have it no matter what changes come? :P I am OP because I've been here. This is my joy; seeing you suffer. Try and counter my; I dare you...with your 1 decent fitting....hahaha! I have more than I could possibly need! I also heard I'm getting a free 1,000,000 SP for doing basically nothing; I think I'll spend it on the magsec...just for lolz because, you know, I already have everything I could ever want Twisted One more thought: nerf shields? I have maxed armor, too. Nerf damage mods? I already maxed shields. Nerf tank modules in general? Biotics 5. Nerf assaults, heavies, and logis? My alt has a proto scout, shotgun, and knives...+Duvolle. Nerf infantry all over? Tanks, babe. Nerf tanks? I have 2 proto suits and 4 proto weapons. Nerf snipers? Don't care, I have rails. Nerf rails? Got blasters. I am god mode. This system you set up is perfect. All I had to do is wait a year and I have become God Mode vs these weak noobs. Isk is not even a factor, anymore [<3 PC farmville mechanic]. I beat your game, New Eden. What else can you possibly do to me?....Forum ban, again? 6 alts on standby :P <3 -Trolly Vet Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2107	Posted - 2014.03.12 01:00:00 - [985] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have to stand against that every time it comes up. Fair enough. My build is personally being buffed, quite a bit in 1.8 (Hmg / Forge Sentinel) and since not refunding dropsuit SP is insane (because scouts and heavies should have the chance to play their races suit without sticking to the ones they didn't want) I will at least have a perfectly viable fit with very little wasted SP, right from the get go. That doesn't change that I still will basically never ever spawn in it, but while I do feel that's a legitimate concern in an FPS environment, I have not and will not ever argue that that's a legit call for a respec. My personal desires for a respec are selfish in that I just want to have fun doing the only thing that's fun to me (on the ground) in DUST: Scout. I have barely touched my heavy in many many months now, I only fly or run my scout that has no relevant skills other than basic core skills. For me, NPE is an entirely different topic (a vital topic, but a different topic). Respecs obviously don't take that much away from dev time, it's not like we're detracting from the games development by adding these in as a cushion to change. I want to see legit respec threads die. I want to laugh at QQ respec threads when someones FoTM gets nerf hammered for a bit. It's one thing for balance passes to come through and shake things up a little, but it's another thing entirely to release long awaited core material, and just tell people to deal with it; sit on the stuff we forced you to use, buy these nice omega boosters, and grind your happy ass into what you would have played from the start had we not ****** up and failed to release it on time. It's a slippery slope that CCP brought onto themselves, because even just refunding Dropsuit Command isn't enough when you consider each race prefers a different style of tanking. There are just too many arguments as to why these refunds are good at this exact moment. One way or the other, we'll know soon enough, and will see plenty of QQ threads on the forums regardless of which way the cookie crumbles. FOTM is a 10-15 mil SP player thing. Vets with 30-40mil SP have multiple fits and at least half of them are good at any time. Respecs don't help brand new players who would waste it all, anyway. They refresh New Eden for bored vets who wouldn't come back otherwise or at least would play a little more often. they help the Average Post-1.0 Joe who has between 10 and 20 mil SP. Maybe 1 good fit; 2 if he branched out. Those are the new blood of the game. The vets fade away. The noobs rage quit. It's the 10-15mSP guys who should be rewarded and who benefit this game the most. I've sunk hundreds of dollars and hours into this game but I'm just bored with it now. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1588	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:24:00 - [986] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit. Speccing into the Amarr heavy was everyone else's personal decision, it's not like it was wasted SP, they used it, and just because something they want more finally comes doesn't mean they have any more right than anyone else to take a big chunk of SP out of one thing and put it into another. It doesn't take that much SP to take a suit to advanced if you know you are eventually going to stop using it for another suit. You can argue that we could have a respec just this one because of that reason, but then to be fair you'd have to do it every time they added new things, and I've already stated why you can't have constant respecs. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Vordred Knight 29	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:35:00 - [987] - Quote Finish THIS **** MEOW!!!! HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!
ceeceepee ron duna corp 6	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:36:00 - [988] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Basically confirmed. Now it is
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1590	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:38:00 - [989] - Quote Page 50 Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Ghural The Southern Legion League of Infamy 180	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:39:00 - [990] - Quote I think there should be a limited respec mainly due to the reason that many players have been forced into suits simply because their racial counterpart has not been available, despite CCP promising that these were coming soon almost 12 months ago. Once the full racial lineup of suits (and vehicles) is out. No more respecs. You may now consider the game launched.

Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 18	Posted - 2014.03.12 03:19:00 - [991] - Quote Ghural wrote: I think there should be a limited respec mainly due to the reason that many players have been forced into suits simply because their racial counterpart has not been available, despite CCP promising that these were coming soon almost 12 months ago. Once the full racial lineup of suits (and vehicles) is out. No more respecs. You may now consider the game launched. Yes, I think it that, but if they change drastically the things they have to refound our Points :) Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San Renegade Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:55:00 - [992] - Quote here New Eden. but this is DUST514. isnot EVE. Stubborn players are cancer :) "Refund associated with the specification change management's duty" Emotion is not needed. we need respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12156	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:16:00 - [993] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit. Speccing into the Amarr heavy was everyone else's personal decision, it's not like it was wasted SP, they used it, and just because something they want more finally comes doesn't mean they have any more right than anyone else to take a big chunk of SP out of one thing and put it into another. It doesn't take that much SP to take a suit to advanced if you know you are eventually going to stop using it for another suit. You can argue that we could have a respec just this once because of the racial parity reason, but then to be fair you'd have to do it every time they added new things, and I've already stated why you can't have constant respecs. Obviously we won't see eye to eye on this for one simple reason: You see the Caldari and Amarr Scouts, as well as the Gallente, Minmatar, and Caldari Heavy frames all as new material. I see only old material. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:59:00 - [994] - Quote I would remain hopeful of a respec. With a full reset of talents CCP knows some of the player base that left due to the lack of "shiny new things" will return. A bigger player base allows for more money and it makes the developers look good. There's a message in my Cheerios!
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:36:00 - [995] - Quote I'm not so sure they will give us one now that this 1 million Clone Event is about to occur... But still in favor of one. Also, we have been waiting for a Respec since the Flaylock, Commando, Scrambler Rifle. MONTHS. Time for a respec when what people finally started playing this game for: Racial Parity, has come in the form of suits. Another Respec after Vehicles, and we will be DONE. A smart player will wait to skill into the Medium Frames because they are getting their slots changed, but that is their decision. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1642	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:38:00 - [996] - Quote When racial parity is done for skills, i.e. we have logi/assault suits, scouts, and heavies, CCP dont have to add new skills when adding new content. They could instead, as an example, add a new variant or tier of the assault suit, that is unlocked by the same skill. I dearly hope that this is the plan after the final respec. Drop it like its hat.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:51:00 - [997] - Quote That would be AWESOME. Add it for rifles for example: Burst Fire Proficiency, maybe even unlock attachments that way down the extremely long road. And by attachments I don't mean underbarrel grenade launchers, but different sights, maybe even different ARs themselves. It would be cool if you unlock the broad category, AR, and can use the ones we have currently, but to use more extensive ones, you have to travel into specifics. Say Auto, Burst, Semi Auto? Oops, straying away from a Respec topic. Sorry! IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1644	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:54:00 - [998] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: That would be AWESOME. Add it for rifles for example: Burst Fire Proficiency, maybe even unlock attachments that way down the extremely long road. And by attachments I don't mean underbarrel grenade launchers, but different sights, maybe even different ARs themselves. It would be cool if you unlock the broad category, AR, and can use the ones we have currently, but to use more extensive ones, you have to travel into specifics. Say Auto, Burst, Semi Auto? Oops, straying away from a Respec topic. Sorry! QFT. I so want a pistol with a laser sight. Be able to reload EMP rounds into a combat rifle, just like in EVE, depending on the combat situation. Imagine a combat rifle with exploding EMP rounds for equipment clearing. Oh my god! Drop it like its hat.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:58:00 - [999] - Quote Quote: QFT. I so want a pistol with a laser sight. Be able to reload EMP rounds into a combat rifle, just like in EVE, depending on the combat situation. Imagine a combat rifle with exploding EMP rounds for equipment clearing. Oh my god![/quote] Can this happen please?! At the very least for a Mass Driver, loading in smoke grenades, fluxes, and normal HEOP. Sniper Rifles with tracking rounds that do little damage, but highlight enemy players for your squad. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 272	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:29:00 - [1000] - Quote Not sure there is a discussion for this. It's pretty clear that a respec is in order. Maybe some of you out there are some communists or something, but here in America (the internet belongs to America by the way), we believe in making informed decisions. We've specced into different crap because not all of the crap was here, but now we have a lot more crap and don't necessarily want to make the grind to get it all when it was what we wanted in the first place. It isn't our fault that CCP didn't give us a finished product. Why should our points be set in stone when nothing in this bass ackwards game is? tl;dr Respec or gtfo CCP "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:46:00 - [1001] - Quote Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:49:00 - [1002] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:51:00 - [1003] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1941	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:56:00 - [1004] - Quote I wonder if that also means we might get a full weaponry respec after all racial wapons are released. There are currently a lot of racial heavy weapons missing. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:57:00 - [1005] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:59:00 - [1006] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed. You're missing the point. My choices are supposed to matter. Why, on Gods green earth, would I CHOOSE to skill into Armor, if my suit is shield based? Why is it ok to now have X amount of SP forever tied up in something that I may never ever use? That isn't my choice, it's CCPs, period. Oh wait, no. Now you're going to tell me I should have run starter fits for the past year, or skilled into some other random suit while I wait to play the basic material that was backlogged thanks to CCP having to scrap their initial engine and start from scratch. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2349	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:07:00 - [1007] - Quote Nobody is ever happy. Well, I am, at least I won't have to read respec speculation threads all day anymore. Look at it this way, at least the core skills give you some passive bonuses. It's not completely wasted SP. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1594	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:07:00 - [1008] - Quote POST #1000 Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2349	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:10:00 - [1009] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: POST #1000 Damn! Didn't notice that, I should have waited! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:18:00 - [1010] - Quote Congratulations for 51 pages and your dropsuit command respec. See y'all before the medium slot rebalance A.K.A next patch. 1002nd!!! You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:27:00 - [1011] - Quote COMMAND ONLY Like really?! Thanks to our asociatives in CPM we have just command only, even if PURE MAJORITY here asked for FULL one. Oki CCP you customer support is fine, but everything else is just rubish withou any kind of listening to community. Congratz. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12164	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:27:00 - [1012] - Quote This was the real reason for this thread to exist haha ^_^ Not for us to discuss, but for CCP to have an excuse to shut us up once they announced this. Clever. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2926	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:28:00 - [1013] - Quote lolcpm Intelligence is OP
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:32:00 - [1014] - Quote AWSOME CCP and the CPM Respec in the DP comand is great. I can live with my guns and equipment even if I wanted a full respec. It's a realy nice compromise guys I comend you for it Regards War never changes
PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:39:00 - [1015] - Quote Yep awesome stuff.... All the heavy weapons I'll never use again sure are useful. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12171	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:43:00 - [1016] - Quote So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? This is a containment thread and nothing more. This is Level R Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:47:00 - [1017] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:47:00 - [1018] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AWSOME CCP and the CPM Respec in the DP comand is great. I can live with my guns and equipment even if I wanted a full respec. It's a realy nice compromise guys I comend you for it Regards Nope its not, we wanted pie, ot just its cut. Honestly is community want full, why they gave a part. This is nothing else than another setback. Whole thread and whole community discussion and just for this. I taking this like insult, pricipe was broken again. Community wanted more than only this. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12171	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:48:00 - [1019] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:52:00 - [1020] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Because some individuals chose to spam the fora with all the same threads to the point where no discussion could be had on anything. Would you rather they perma banned users? Because that's the only alternative, given the behavior of some that's, again, on display this very moment. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1158	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:53:00 - [1021] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. this is incorrect, they never said that, infact there were discussing about possibilities at fanfest. what CCP said there will be no more RESETS. welp
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 782	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:55:00 - [1022] - Quote CCP -- Please include a full weapon respec with the dropsuit command respec as many of us want to change suits but have many points sunk into corresponding weapons and equipment making it not viable to actually switch.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12177	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:00:00 - [1023] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Because some individuals chose to spam the fora with all the same threads to the point where no discussion could be had on anything. Would you rather they perma banned users? Because that's the only alternative, given the behavior of some that's, again, on display this very moment. I'd rather they made an official statement that said "We will not be refunding any SP unless we deem it necessary. Thank you." Lock respec threads, link back to that notice. At least that's genuine. Don't get our hopes up when you clearly do not intend to listen to nor discuss the issue with us. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1224	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:03:00 - [1024] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. this is incorrect, they never said that, infact there were discussing about possibilities at fanfest. what CCP said there will be no more RESETS. classic CCP Shanghai "buy more boosters and STFU" move. A default position is the position preferred before specific circumstances are taken into consideration. CCPs position defaults to "No respecs" unless specific circumstances necessitate a deviation from this default position, be it for technical reasons like incompatible trees (1.3, tanks) or other (cpm/community demand). You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1656	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:06:00 - [1025] - Quote Its silly that the weapon skill tree was changed the most of all trees, and we didnt get refunded for that. See you guys in a year, or perhaps not, because this game will be out of comission then. Loldust. Lol laser focus on ps3. Lol Cpm. Nothing has changed since uprising 1.0. You almost got me to pay money for this game again CCP, but this decision broke the deal. Sorry. Drop it like its hat.
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 353	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:07:00 - [1026] - Quote You OWE us a full infantry respec. You say only the dropsuits have changed, but that's not true. You changed weaponry as well the minute you decided on those stupid assault suit bonuses pissing off the users of the most used suit in the game. Let me explain why: I'm a 20M SP lifetime guy. Occasional open beta guy, but I've been fully active since July. Back then, I had no choice but to spec into AR's, since that's was really the only true rifle option at the time. I spent considerable SP getting my AR maxed out, then, when RR's and CR's came out, I still used it because, simply put, I invested a lot in it. Now not only did you nerf the AR TWICE, and introduce better weapons, you changed my Caldari assault suit bonus (which I also have maxed out), trying to force me to use a weapon that I don't want to use. I don't like RR's. I don't like CR's. I LIKE AR's. But now, there's no real point, right? I have to start using Gallente suits, even though I prefer the Caldari suits. I used to respect this game for the customization options. Now, you're penalizing players who want to use different weapons from suits, or use other creative ways to make suit loadouts. And now, onto upgrades. Let's say I was a scout, but now I'm going to go heavy. Well, my core changes, doesn't it? I'm not really going to need kincats, or profile dampening, am I? All this is blatantly obvious. I guess I gave you to much credit for being intelligent people. I guess, since we're not vehicle users, we infantry people don't deserve a respec. Shame on you, CCP Shanghai. You want to break assault suits, fine. But at least give people the option to get out of them. People that have invested time and money in this game and have stayed loyal to a game barely on par with Halo 2 while games like PS2 are out there and coming. By the way, I heard that PS2 is coming on June 5th. I suggest you get your act together, and quickly. Since Lockingbro just locked my thread, I copied and pasted what I had to say here. I'd also like to add something someone brought up in the thread. That the AR is stronger now. Vs. the RR and CR, yes. However, the AR is now a CQC weapon, and with damage nerfs, and damage mod nerfs, how are you supposed to take down a heavy with that sorry piece of crap?
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1224	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:07:00 - [1027] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Because some individuals chose to spam the fora with all the same threads to the point where no discussion could be had on anything. Would you rather they perma banned users? Because that's the only alternative, given the behavior of some that's, again, on display this very moment. I'd rather they made an official statement that said "We will not be refunding any SP unless we deem it necessary. Thank you." Lock respec threads, link back to that notice. At least that's genuine. Don't get our hopes up when you clearly do not intend to listen to nor discuss the issue with us. I think they did something to that extent up until a few months ago. Didn't help as far as I remember, even though I agree that this would be preferrable if it did. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1658	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:16:00 - [1028] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. It is so disrespectful. I am disgusted with CCP right now. Drop it like its hat.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1224	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:16:00 - [1029] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4476	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:21:00 - [1030] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? I had the belief that dropsuit command refund was FOR SURE going to happen since the beginning. It would be simply TOO idiotic, even for CCP, to NOT do at the very LEAST a dropsuit command refund. However most of us wanted something more. We posted logical reasons and scenarios lots of us are in, in which we simply DESERVE more. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12180	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:22:00 - [1031] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1659	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:26:00 - [1032] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. The thing is, this has put me off of buying any AUR boosters again. I will never pay a dime more for this game. Its such poor quality, poor community management and bad will. Drop it like its hat.
Vordred Knight 31	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:28:00 - [1033] - Quote Im disgusted I can't believe ccp pulled something like this this is painful HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12182	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:29:00 - [1034] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. The thing is, this has put me off of buying any AUR boosters again. I will never pay a dime more for this game. Its such poor quality and poor community management and bad will. I haven't been able to buy anything (in game and out) for almost a year now. I should finally have an income again soon, but I definitely won't be putting it here. Boosters were the only reasonable investment but why bother when things are deliberately nerfed and locked away from you to promote the sale of boosters? I have enough SP. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1224	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:30:00 - [1035] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. It's not optimal. I get it. So? Have you ever been willing to settle with less than the full extend of your demands*. Please tell me what kind of discussion there can be when one side is not willing to accept a compromise. For lack of a better term. Not meant to sound judgmental. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1659	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:33:00 - [1036] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: Im disgusted I can't believe ccp pulled something like this this is painful You are not the only one. The worst thing is that the new EP, CCP Rogue, has signed off on this decision. He cannot be unaware of it. No old vets will return. More players will leave the game. Less players will pay for boosters. Great work there CCP Rogue, you are no different than the old EP. Drop it like its hat.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12182	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:35:00 - [1037] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. It's not optimal. I get it. So? Have you ever been willing to settle with less than the full extend of your demands*. Please tell me what kind of discussion there can be when one side is not willing to accept a compromise. For lack of a better term. Not meant to sound judgmental. I have on plenty of things. Touting the phrase "your choices matter" then intentionally locking out portions of your player base (who waited patiently for backlogged content) by forcing them to sit on irrelevant SP just in the hopes they'll buy boosters is nothing short of insulting. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:35:00 - [1038] - Quote With only a refund of dropsuit command, how am I like many others supposed to effectively change roles? What use will I have for logistics equipment if I plan to go into scouts and heavy frames? What use will Logistics have for heavy weapons if they choose to drop their heavy frames? Why will I need armor modules if I plan to go into a shield based suit? What use will I have for shield modules if I plan to play an armor frame? I have certain commando classes that I want to use along with their race's assault suits. What use do I have for another faction's rifles, sidearms and secondaries? I've made purchases to support a game I enjoyed playing. I will not spend another dime for this company if you continue to undermine every one of my decisions. Give infantry a reason to stay. Vehicles had theirs. It's our turn. [Strike 2] I'd prefer to wait until Dust is on ps4 to get one. If this keeps up, I'll just buy one anyway and forget about CCP. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 34	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:46:00 - [1039] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Vordred Knight wrote: Im disgusted I can't believe ccp pulled something like this this is painful You are not the only one. The worst thing is that the new EP, CCP Rogue, has signed off on this decision. He cannot be unaware of it. No old vets will return. More players will leave the game. Less players will pay for boosters. Great work there CCP Rogue, you are no different than the old EP. You all are just mad. I for one welcome the re-spec the way it stands now. It makes the most sense to give people who didn't have any option before to go full factional. I shed a single tear for those who still don't have all their racial weapon variants, but oh well. Just deal.
The Attorney General 2430	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:47:00 - [1040] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The thing is, this has put me off of buying any AUR boosters again. I will never pay a dime more for this game. Its such poor quality and poor community management and bad will. This is just yet another in the long line of poor decisions that makes me glad that I shut my wallet to these people awhile ago. They have shown time and time again since then that they have no desire to actually work with the community, let alone try and repair the damage they have done to their reputation. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1659	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:50:00 - [1041] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: The thing is, this has put me off of buying any AUR boosters again. I will never pay a dime more for this game. Its such poor quality and poor community management and bad will. This is just yet another in the long line of poor decisions that makes me glad that I shut my wallet to these people awhile ago. They have shown time and time again since then that they have no desire to actually work with the community, let alone try and repair the damage they have done to their reputation. They cant repair this PR blunder. Drop it like its hat.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12188	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:01:00 - [1042] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Vordred Knight wrote: Im disgusted I can't believe ccp pulled something like this this is painful You are not the only one. The worst thing is that the new EP, CCP Rogue, has signed off on this decision. He cannot be unaware of it. No old vets will return. More players will leave the game. Less players will pay for boosters. Great work there CCP Rogue, you are no different than the old EP. You all are just mad. I for one welcome the re-spec the way it stands now. It makes the most sense to give people who didn't have any option before to go full factional. I shed a single tear for those who still don't have all their racial weapon variants, but oh well. Just deal. Except that it doesn't give them the chance to go full factional, because the skills required to fit one suit =/= the skills required to fit another suit. So basically, it just punishes people who waited patiently for backlogged content and played the game in the interim. That's all it does. Oh, and it rewards high SP players who tested multiple suits by letting them focus down to just one or two with no negative consequence. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1944	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:04:00 - [1043] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: With only a refund of dropsuit command, how am I like many others supposed to effectively change roles? What use will I have for logistics equipment if I plan to go into scouts and heavy frames? What use will Logistics have for heavy weapons if they choose to drop their heavy frames? Why will I need armor modules if I plan to go into a shield based suit? What use will I have for shield modules if I plan to play an armor frame? I have certain commando classes that I want to use along with their race's assault suits. What use do I have for another faction's rifles, sidearms and secondaries? I've made purchases to support a game I enjoyed playing. I will not spend another dime for this company if you continue to undermine every one of my decisions. Give infantry a reason to stay. Vehicles had theirs. It's our turn. [Strike 2] I'd prefer to wait until Dust is on ps4 to get one. If this keeps up, I'll just buy one anyway and forget about CCP. This respec is not for you changing roles. This respec is for people changing racial suits without penality: Amarr Heavy -> Caldari Heavy. Minmatar Scout -> Amarr Scout. Gallent Logi -> Caldari Logi. Stuff like this. Because, you know, they changed the bonus. If you didn't like scout then why did you spec into it? Also equipment skills are never worthless. Also even if you want to change, you had to spec into a new suit and a new weapon before. Now you at least get your dropsuit sp back. Are people never happy?! Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 274	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:05:00 - [1044] - Quote You give this community a inch and they will take a mile, your wife, daughter, and ** in your pool. Giving out a respect sets a bad example for all future updates.. You are giving the community more reinforment to QQ and cryhard ... Here I'll meet you half way.. fix my damn forge gun and I'll let you slide on this one. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.** Original ROF needs to return!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12188	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:07:00 - [1045] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: This respec is not for you changing roles. This respec is for people changing racial suits without penality: Amarr Heavy -> Caldari Heavy. Minmatar Scout -> Amarr Scout. Gallent Logi -> Caldari Logi. Stuff like this. Because, you know, they changed the bonus. If you didn't like scout then why did you spec into it? Also equipment skills are never worthless. Also even if you want to change, you had to spec into a new suit and a new weapon before. Now you at least get your dropsuit sp back. Are people never happy?! Having maxed Armor Repair and Armor Plates on shield tanked suits isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having to use equipment that doesn't fall in line with your new logi bonus isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having the wrong type of weapon for your new Assault bonuses isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 778	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:08:00 - [1046] - Quote excillon wrote: You OWE us a full infantry respec. You say only the dropsuits have changed, but that's not true. You changed weaponry as well the minute you decided on those stupid assault suit bonuses pissing off the users of the most used suit in the game. Let me explain why: I'm a 20M SP lifetime guy. Occasional open beta guy, but I've been fully active since July. Back then, I had no choice but to spec into AR's, since that's was really the only true rifle option at the time. I spent considerable SP getting my AR maxed out, then, when RR's and CR's came out, I still used it because, simply put, I invested a lot in it. Now not only did you nerf the AR TWICE, and introduce better weapons, you changed my Caldari assault suit bonus (which I also have maxed out), trying to force me to use a weapon that I don't want to use. I don't like RR's. I don't like CR's. I LIKE AR's. But now, there's no real point, right? I have to start using Gallente suits, even though I prefer the Caldari suits. I used to respect this game for the customization options. Now, you're penalizing players who want to use different weapons from suits, or use other creative ways to make suit loadouts. And now, onto upgrades. Let's say I was a scout, but now I'm going to go heavy. Well, my core changes, doesn't it? I'm not really going to need kincats, or profile dampening, am I? All this is blatantly obvious. I guess I gave you to much credit for being intelligent people. I guess, since we're not vehicle users, we infantry people don't deserve a respec. Shame on you, CCP Shanghai. You want to break assault suits, fine. But at least give people the option to get out of them. People that have invested time and money in this game and have stayed loyal to a game barely on par with Halo 2 while games like PS2 are out there and coming. By the way, I heard that PS2 is coming on June 5th. I suggest you get your act together, and quickly. Since Lockingbro just locked my thread, I copied and pasted what I had to say here. I'd also like to add something someone brought up in the thread. That the AR is stronger now. Vs. the RR and CR, yes. However, the AR is now a CQC weapon, and with damage nerfs, and damage mod nerfs, how are you supposed to take down a heavy with that sorry piece of crap? How about you spec 2 things and become a little more useful to your team.. and while you are at it... HTFU you whiny little bitch. All I ever see you do is QQ. Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 324	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:20:00 - [1047] - Quote but i don't wanna post in here I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1225	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:26:00 - [1048] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Looks like everyone wasted their times posting their opinions and logic on this thread. Last i checked a dropsuit command tree respec was going to happen. Have they since changed their mind or do you just consider anything but full compliance a complete failure to comply? Considering the total lack of discussion by CCP on this issue, and the complete dismissal of the fact that, among other things, Armor and Shield skills are now wasted if you try switching to your new (read: OLD) backlogged suit, well...you're just sol. Buy boosters and deal with it. It's not optimal. I get it. So? Have you ever been willing to settle with less than the full extend of your demands*. Please tell me what kind of discussion there can be when one side is not willing to accept a compromise. For lack of a better term. Not meant to sound judgmental. I have on plenty of things. Touting the phrase "your choices matter" then intentionally locking out portions of your player base (who waited patiently for backlogged content) by forcing them to sit on irrelevant SP just in the hopes they'll buy boosters is nothing short of insulting. If CCP doesn't want to do a blanket respec for these things, then they need to open up support tickets again, and take the month going through everyones character who wants to have Shield or Armor skills refunded, and equipment refunded (Armor tanks to shield tanks, shield tanks to armor tanks, or logis who weren't fortunate enough to predict their races choice piece of equipment) This is the only way the respec becomes fair. The way I see it you touch on three central issues here. 1. Dropsuit command skills total multiplier per specialisation = 12 2. Dropsuit upgrades, specifically tank. Plates = 5 including the core skill armor upgrades. Shields are 8, including core skill shield upgrades and assuming you need/used all three on your fit. Using two of them gives us 5 in line with armor 3. Equipment is 3 each with needles and hives sharing the same skill. This gives a total of 12+ (5/8 for shields or 5 for armor) + 3= 20/23 multipliers lost, assuming you need to change your frame, tank and one piece of primary equipment and you don't have a single SP in the new skills, including core ones. When we have two opposing extremes, namely refund nothing or everything. The first approach to find a synthesis would be to refund half the multipliers. Which is 20/2 = 10 or 23/2 = 11,5 In both cases more than half the potentially wasted skillpoints are refunded through the dropsuit command tree alone. This assumes the worst case scenario of having to switch everything you mentioned. More realistic scenarios paint an even better picture. Call me heartless but it seems this compromise is not too evil when it comes to SP refunded/potentially lost. This of course requires everyone to acknowledge that we have two opposing positions and none is to be granted any prior privileges. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Lycuo Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:29:00 - [1049] - Quote If we get a respec of dropsuit command and you are going to change from a armor tanked suit to a sheild tank suit due to the change in how crappy your armor suits are... Why would we not be able to reassign our dropsuit upgrades to accommodate the change in suit type. Also, lets say i used to be minmatar logi for the hacking speed and i had systems hacking to compliment that suit, why would i want to use that too when i respec to a heavy that isnt going to be using hacking mods. On top of this when you change the effect of a proficiency for a gun, i would not allocate the extra skillpoints for levels 4 and 5 for this skill. That is almost 2 mil skillpoints that i could get back from 2 guns... This is again not quite fair... TANKS HAD NOTHING CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR GUNS BUT THEY GOT RESPECS TO TURRET OPERATION SKILLS... please CCP do the right thing and allow the dropsuits to respec everything due to the massive changes in bonus and passive skills.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12188	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:34:00 - [1050] - Quote All I know is that this thread proves that CCP never had any intent to open up a dialogue with us on this issue. There has been no reason given for their decision, no explanation on what was discussed to arrive to this decision, and no explanation as to why we've been banished to Level R to talk amongst ourselves. Why were we simply not told "No" Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1226	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:38:00 - [1051] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: All I know is that this thread proves that CCP never had any intent to open up a dialogue with us on this issue. There has been no reason given for their decision, no explanation on what was discussed to arrive to this decision, and no explanation as to why we've been banished to Level R to talk amongst ourselves. Why were we simply not told "No" I still fail to see why you came to that conclusion seing that their answer demonstrably turned out not to be "No". A "yes, but" might not be what you asked for, maybe not even enough, but that's still not the complete negative you make it out to be. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:42:00 - [1052] - Quote http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/dropsuits-of-uprising-1.8/ After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12189	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:44:00 - [1053] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: All I know is that this thread proves that CCP never had any intent to open up a dialogue with us on this issue. There has been no reason given for their decision, no explanation on what was discussed to arrive to this decision, and no explanation as to why we've been banished to Level R to talk amongst ourselves. Why were we simply not told "No" I still fail to see how you came to that conclusion, seing that their answer demonstrably turned out not to be "No". A "yes, but" might not be what you asked for, maybe not even enough, but that's still not the complete negative you make it out to be. The simple fact is that it isn't fair across the board. Some players are hit harder by this, players who patiently waited for backlogged content. It is a short sighted fix, and I could even forgive that, if they would just talk to us. Apparently even the CPM was pushing for this, yet they still turned it down. Why Where is the dialogue? Where is the reasoning? Why does CCP feel that having skills that don't synergize is good? Why have they banished us to Level R if for no other reason than containment, since discussion was quite clearly not their goal? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1227	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:44:00 - [1054] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/dropsuits-of-uprising-1.8/ After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. That's soooo 16:00pm EVE time. Get with the times, granpa. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:45:00 - [1055] - Quote The 25th is the day. Now this thread can crawl back to the hole it came from and rot. CCP please lock this thread. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Captain SAINTUS 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:46:00 - [1056] - Quote I don't understand why there is even a discussion about a total respec. There NEEDS to be a respec period. Brand new suits with specific roles means specific weapons and upgrades need to be skilled into. Only one thing will come with NOT giving a respec more complaints and less active players.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:47:00 - [1057] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/dropsuits-of-uprising-1.8/ After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. That's soooo 16:00pm EVE time. Get with the times, granpa. I have been up for over 36 hours and the three hours I slept I missed it. I just want this thread locked or deleted. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12189	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:50:00 - [1058] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/dropsuits-of-uprising-1.8/ After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. That's soooo 16:00pm EVE time. Get with the times, granpa. I have been up for over 36 hours and the three hours I slept I missed it. I just want this thread locked or deleted. Get out of Level R, this is Vector territory now. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:58:00 - [1059] - Quote Vector territory? Level R? I don't know what those mean! I am not good at sleeping so I don't know if me not understanding is sleep deprivation or me just being stupid, either way some mercs are going to be very happy. Want to take bets on when the first new respec thread pops up after the 25th? - that is a serious request. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1948	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:00:00 - [1060] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: This respec is not for you changing roles. This respec is for people changing racial suits without penality: Amarr Heavy -> Caldari Heavy. Minmatar Scout -> Amarr Scout. Gallent Logi -> Caldari Logi. Stuff like this. Because, you know, they changed the bonus. If you didn't like scout then why did you spec into it? Also equipment skills are never worthless. Also even if you want to change, you had to spec into a new suit and a new weapon before. Now you at least get your dropsuit sp back. Are people never happy?! Having maxed Armor Repair and Armor Plates on shield tanked suits isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having to use equipment that doesn't fall in line with your new logi bonus isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having the wrong type of weapon for your new Assault bonuses isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" I'll never grasp why this community is content with having wasted SP sitting around that you literally would never have spent in light of these new changes. It will actually never compute. You say that SP is valuable, and in the same breath, dismiss its value. Are you now seriously complaining about core skills which always give you a benefit? Do you REALLY want to go THAT path?! 25% more armor are 25% more armor, no matter what suit. Also you might want to spec into a second suit later on, which might be an armor suit. Also: Am I the only one around here who thinks that variety doesn't hurt? Even with the respec I'll spec into 3 suits again. And I'll also spec into a new weapon. Heck. How many SP do you have? 1 million? If yes, then your character is way too young anyways to care about stuff like respecs. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12193	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:04:00 - [1061] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: This respec is not for you changing roles. This respec is for people changing racial suits without penality: Amarr Heavy -> Caldari Heavy. Minmatar Scout -> Amarr Scout. Gallent Logi -> Caldari Logi. Stuff like this. Because, you know, they changed the bonus. If you didn't like scout then why did you spec into it? Also equipment skills are never worthless. Also even if you want to change, you had to spec into a new suit and a new weapon before. Now you at least get your dropsuit sp back. Are people never happy?! Having maxed Armor Repair and Armor Plates on shield tanked suits isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having to use equipment that doesn't fall in line with your new logi bonus isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having the wrong type of weapon for your new Assault bonuses isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" I'll never grasp why this community is content with having wasted SP sitting around that you literally would never have spent in light of these new changes. It will actually never compute. You say that SP is valuable, and in the same breath, dismiss its value. Are you now seriously complaining about core skills which always give you a benefit? Do you REALLY want to go THAT path?! 25% more armor are 25% more armor, no matter what suit. Also you might want to spec into a second suit later on, which might be an armor suit. Also: Am I the only one around here who thinks that variety doesn't hurt? Even with the respec I'll spec into 3 suits again. And I'll also spec into a new weapon. Heck. How many SP do you have? 1 million? If yes, then your character is way too young anyways to care about stuff like respecs. Armor plates and Reps do not raise base stats genius Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 111	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:08:00 - [1062] - Quote Lycuo wrote: If we get a respec of dropsuit command and you are going to change from a armor tanked suit to a sheild tank suit due to the change in how crappy your armor suits are... Why would we not be able to reassign our dropsuit upgrades to accommodate the change in suit type. Also, lets say i used to be minmatar logi for the hacking speed and i had systems hacking to compliment that suit, why would i want to use that too when i respec to a heavy that isnt going to be using hacking mods. On top of this when you change the effect of a proficiency for a gun, i would not allocate the extra skillpoints for levels 4 and 5 for this skill. That is almost 2 mil skillpoints that i could get back from 2 guns... This is again not quite fair... TANKS HAD NOTHING CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR GUNS BUT THEY GOT RESPECS TO TURRET OPERATION SKILLS... please CCP do the right thing and allow the dropsuits to respec everything due to the massive changes in bonus and passive skills. Hacking skill gives you a bonus to hacking speed as well. Your heavy hacks 25% faster even if you donGÇÖt use mods. What is wrong with that? How is that wasted SP? You feel that lower hacking speed is somehow better? Anytime IGÇÖve used an alt with no skills in hacking it has been a painful experience to hack anything. It just feels so damn slow without the skill. The change to proficiency means your gun does not excel against the tank type it was not made for. This change is wonderful and long overdue. But why would you not want more damage on your gun? If you have AR proficiency at 5, your gun gets 15% extra damage against shields but youGÇÖre saying youGÇÖd be happy with 9% given the choice? So your STD AR is a GEK instead of Duvolle? And regarding the GÇ£going from armour to shieldsGÇ¥ argument everyone throws around; weGÇÖve had both shield and armour based suits for the whole time. It has been up to the players to make a decision on which tank type they want and spec into that. If all you ever wanted was the Caldari scout, then why would you spec into Gallente assault? Or if it was the Gallente heavy that you wanted, then Caldari logi probably wasnGÇÖt your best choice. CCP is introducing new suits, not roles. I donGÇÖt know why people feel entitled to role changes all of a sudden. If youGÇÖve rocked the Gallente logi with rep hives all this time, IGÇÖm sure you have reaped more benefits than suffered. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1227	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:13:00 - [1063] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: All I know is that this thread proves that CCP never had any intent to open up a dialogue with us on this issue. There has been no reason given for their decision, no explanation on what was discussed to arrive to this decision, and no explanation as to why we've been banished to Level R to talk amongst ourselves. Why were we simply not told "No" I still fail to see how you came to that conclusion, seing that their answer demonstrably turned out not to be "No". A "yes, but" might not be what you asked for, maybe not even enough, but that's still not the complete negative you make it out to be. The simple fact is that it isn't fair across the board. Some players are hit harder by this, players who patiently waited for backlogged content. It is a short sighted fix, and I could even forgive that, if they would just talk to us. Apparently even the CPM was pushing for this, yet they still turned it down. Why Where is the dialogue? Where is the reasoning? Why does CCP feel that having skills that don't synergize is good? Why have they banished us to Level R if for no other reason than containment, since discussion was quite clearly not their goal? A compromise is never fair across the board and, honestly, I did the math while writing my above post, not knowing whether it even ends up supporting the argument I was trying to make but it turned out surprisingly close to the painful compromise I expected it to be. Yes, some are hit harder then others. But that includes the ones who have personal, real worries about what kind of precedent any form of respec might pose and whether it might end up being the one to finally break the dam for a progression system they didn't sign up for when they joined the game. You might disagree with these worries and you have every right to do so but they're there nonetheless. And I have to stress again. The CPM pushed for a full infantry respec and got a partial one. That might not be the full extend of what they asked for but they were not turned down by any means. My little crappy math tells me that the vast majority of players got granted more than they were denied. That's what a compromise is all about. Neither gets exactly what they would like so that neither is left completely in the "dust"(huehue). Regarding this thread's existence, it's probably a combination of those two: The idealist says: It's there so that the community can have a focused discussion for devs to look at and asses the overall of a need/demand for a respec along with the supporting arguments from either side. The cynic says: It's there purely to contain the discussion and prevent these threads from flooding the rest of the forum to its detriment. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1227	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:15:00 - [1064] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Want to take bets on when the first new respec thread pops up after the 25th? - that is a serious request. 50M ISK said it's probably before that. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 112	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:21:00 - [1065] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Also: Am I the only one around here who thinks that variety doesn't hurt? Even with the respec I'll spec into 3 suits again. And I'll also spec into a new weapon. Heck. How many SP do you have? 1 million? If yes, then your character is way too young anyways to care about stuff like respecs. No, youGÇÖre not. I donGÇÖt see myself using the Gallente assault suit IGÇÖve had since Uprising but IGÇÖm still dumping all the refunded SP right back in it. I havenGÇÖt really used the suit since I got my Amarr logi, but I still want it. One day CCP will change the slots or stats on assault suits as well, and maybe I get some use out of it. My suits come 1.8: proto Gallente assault, proto Gallente scout, proto Gallente heavy andGÇª proto Amarr logi Sorry Gallente logi, that sidearm... While thereGÇÖs not much mixing with tank types I still have SP invested in shield skills. I have been eyeballing that Minmitar heavyGÇª Caldari scout intrigues me tooGÇª .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12195	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:22:00 - [1066] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: All I know is that this thread proves that CCP never had any intent to open up a dialogue with us on this issue. There has been no reason given for their decision, no explanation on what was discussed to arrive to this decision, and no explanation as to why we've been banished to Level R to talk amongst ourselves. Why were we simply not told "No" I still fail to see how you came to that conclusion, seing that their answer demonstrably turned out not to be "No". A "yes, but" might not be what you asked for, maybe not even enough, but that's still not the complete negative you make it out to be. The simple fact is that it isn't fair across the board. Some players are hit harder by this, players who patiently waited for backlogged content. It is a short sighted fix, and I could even forgive that, if they would just talk to us. Apparently even the CPM was pushing for this, yet they still turned it down. Why Where is the dialogue? Where is the reasoning? Why does CCP feel that having skills that don't synergize is good? Why have they banished us to Level R if for no other reason than containment, since discussion was quite clearly not their goal? A compromise is never fair across the board and, honestly, I did the math while writing my above post, not knowing whether it even ends up supporting the argument I was trying to make but it turned out surprisingly close to the painful compromise I expected it to be. Yes, some are hit harder then others. But that includes the ones who have personal, real worries about what kind of precedent any form of respec might pose and whether it might end up being the one to finally break the dam for a progression system they didn't sign up for when they joined the game. You might disagree with these worries and you have every right to do so but they're there nonetheless. And I have to stress again. The CPM pushed for a full infantry respec and got a partial one. That might not be the full extend of what they asked for but they were not turned down by any means. My little crappy math tells me that the vast majority of players got granted more than they were denied. That's what a compromise is all about. Neither gets exactly what they would like so that neither is left completely in the "dust"(huehue). Regarding this thread's existence, it's probably a combination of those two: The idealist says: It's there so that the community can have a focused discussion for devs to look at and asses the overall of a need/demand for a respec along with the supporting arguments from either side. The cynic says: It's there purely to contain the discussion and prevent these threads from flooding the rest of the forum to its detriment. I pre planned for this anyways, so it doesn't really effect me other than not being able to switch heavy to scout (which I haven't once complained about because while I don't agree with it, I accept that it's what CCP wants) I have better ** to be doing right now lol o7 LEVEL R** Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1229	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:23:00 - [1067] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LEVEL R Still no clue what that means. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 372	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:38:00 - [1068] - Quote Im siply DISGUSTED by this DECISION. CCP just showed once more, how THEY respecting our COMMUNITY. Thins is just NOTHING what we WANTED. We were ALL open to discussion, but right NOW they LIED once AGAIN. No discussion was STARTED between COMMUNITY and ccp. This is just OUTRAGEOUS. Why they OPEN this THREAD, just because THEY wanted to put US like STRONG voice, LIKE the RAISED FIST of COMMUNITY from global DISCUSION. And now thez want to GIVE us just another UNFINISHED thing. CCP you did this REALLY really WRONG. There is REASON why INFANTRY wanted full RESPEC anfter whole bunch of YOUR bad steps. This is NOT over, there WILL be more and MORE VOICES from us, from a PLAYERS. How CCP can do this to US to COMMUNITY, to the CUSTOMERS. If they WANT to repeat SAME deblacle like monocle in EvE just go AHEAD, you are just FEW steps from TRESHOLD. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 40	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:42:00 - [1069] - Quote While I appreciate the dropsuit command respec, I certainly think that a full infantry respec was in order. I feel that CCP dropped the ball here, but the solution is simple. I'm still planning to take a bit of time off and let my passive boosters continue to roll and do their job. When I come back I'll be able to get my core skills all maxed and then get my Minmatar Commando. Cheers.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 783	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:56:00 - [1070] - Quote Looks like a dropsuit command respec is all we are getting. Filed a support ticket and got a less than favorable response.

PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 234	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:02:00 - [1071] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Looks like a dropsuit command respec is all we are getting. Filed a support ticket and got a less than favorable response. Riding in the same boat... More players will leave. Fewer players will come back to check. Nobody will regret their decision(except CCP). Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:06:00 - [1072] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: BARDAS wrote: Looks like a dropsuit command respec is all we are getting. Filed a support ticket and got a less than favorable response. Riding in the same boat... More players will leave. Fewer players will come back to check. Nobody will regret their decision(except CCP). Same boat here, dont worry boyos Destiny is on the corner. I still pray the will change thir mind, right now i basicaly have them for nothing else than liers. They told there was communication, no there wasnt. Andi basicaly dont buying story with CPMs, no CCP just Bshate with our COMMUNITY once more. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 18	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:06:00 - [1073] - Quote HAHAHA, really CCP? There are more than 50 pages of discusion and us only do that? A command respec. Ok, but now us have know there will lost more than 20000 players and we dont will buy more aurums again hahahahaha Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:10:00 - [1074] - Quote Went straight to pure QQ on this thread, guess I am done here. I am so tired of hearing you all cry for something and then crying more when you got it. Yeah I am going to say it...HTFU and don't bother with replying because I will not even know you did because I am un tagging this thread, my job here is done. Thank you and good night. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:12:00 - [1075] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Went straight to pure QQ on this thread, guess I am done here. I am so tired of hearing you all cry for something and then crying more when you got it. Yeah I am going to say it...HTFU and don't bother with replying because I will not even know you did because I am un tagging this thread, my job here is done. Thank you and good night. Just go Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12200	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:15:00 - [1076] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: LEVEL R Still no clue what that means. Anyways. I am generally unaffected by this blunder, as I planned ahead of time for just such an occasion. Just wanted to voice how I felt about the way the whole thing was handled, and I look forward to seeing how the community responds to it as time goes on. o7 Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 62	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:22:00 - [1077] - Quote Seriously no weapons respec? Why? Vehicles got their turrets respeced -_- and weapons were changed more than ever ....-_- no forward motion here
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 69	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:26:00 - [1078] - Quote Meh, I'm good. I was mostly interested in going from Amarr heavy to Caldari Heavy and maxing out shield extenders. So I got that covered. Apart from that it would have been nice to drop points out of SMG and Scrambler Rifle, then maxing out Scrambler Pistol. Maybe drop hacking skills and a few other things that make me flexible for another heavy. On the other hand, maxed hacking skills are pretty darn nice for a lone heavy. Cheers mates.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:26:00 - [1079] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: Seriously no weapons respec? Why? Vehicles got their turrets respeced -_- and weapons were changed more than ever ....-_- no forward motion here Exactly CCP just made another mistake. I STILL dont understand who ARIVES with this BSHATE. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 18	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:29:00 - [1080] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Us have 1.072 comments on that post and you have 20.300 visits. You know all the players and money us will lost if only give us a dropsuit respec? Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 374	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:34:00 - [1081] - Quote Mell caneva wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Us have 1.072 comments on that post and you have 20.300 visits. You know all the players and money us will lost if only give us a dropsuit respec? They dont care about players or community. They know what we, the community of dust wanted. But they made just this, nothing else than just spit on our faces. Its pretty sad they dont even gave us a chance to give them a resons why the respec should be full. These whole things just showed us, how they want fixing things. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Ralden Caster Omega Elite Mercs INC. 35	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:54:00 - [1082] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. Please note that this change will happen automatically as part of the Uprising 1.8 update and is aimed for deployment on the same day. This will result in all Skill Points invested in to the Dropsuit Command skill tree being refunded, along with the ISK from all affected purchased skill books. Additionally, this may result in players having to retrain previous skills within the Dropsuit Command skill tree. How about the weaponry tree? Originally, the only rifle available was the assault rifle, and later around 1.0 there was the scrambler rifle. Being the only choices, I heavily specced into AR skills only to be burnt by the rail rifles when they were added. Why not respec weaponry as well? Minmatar Dropship. Uprising 1.7.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 194	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:59:00 - [1083] - Quote I personally wanted a full infantry specifically to streamline my character, I played a few different styles and found what I like, the other crap is just making my skill list look cluttered with skills I never intend to max. I ultimately wanted my concise skills to be completely 5. Meh, selfish I know...I'll manage.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 438	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:09:00 - [1084] - Quote CCP Logic: People had to put SP into off-race suits in order to use certain types of suits CCP Answer: Respec for dropsuit command CCP Logic: People had to put sp into off-race weapons in order to use certain types of weaponry CCP Answer: No Respec for weaponry You guys are horrible and you should feel horrible.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 376	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:12:00 - [1085] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: CCP Logic: People had to put SP into off-race suits in order to use certain types of suits CCP Answer: Respec for dropsuit command CCP Logic: People had to put sp into off-race weapons in order to use certain types of weaponry CCP Answer: No Respec for weaponry You guys are horrible and you should feel horrible. Basicaly thats is. They had poll by community where majority was for full. They have thread, where we (community) want full or dropsuit/arms. And even with all this info, they made this. I just still cant believe how totaly stupid decision they made. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1663	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:14:00 - [1086] - Quote o7 goes to find a better game Drop it like its hat.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1594	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:15:00 - [1087] - Quote The post respec announcment QQ is exactly why I'm against respecs all together. If the CPM really wanted respecs and only got us this it's safe to assume CCP doesn't want to give us respecs unless they absolutely have to. As much as I was against having any respec now, I can live with the compromise. We still have the matter of the medium suit slot layouts, so I expect endless QQ and a call for another dropsuit respec when that comes out. This thread was never intended to be a place where CCP did what we wanted. It was intended to consolidate spam. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 376	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:24:00 - [1088] - Quote Community wanted something else, end of story. We told that here, we made a poll and they basicaly didnt listen. Majority was for full or dropsuit/arms RESPEC and thez gave us just cut of it. Hell even if there is new implements. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 272	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:25:00 - [1089] - Quote Yeah, doubt this will get read, but honestly we deserve a weapon respect as well. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1233	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:35:00 - [1090] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: Yeah, doubt this will get read, but honestly we deserve a weapon respect as well. It is being read alright and, boy, it is a feast. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 276	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:39:00 - [1091] - Quote CCP, it was wrong of you to show any weakness to this community. A mindless mob knows no compassion, They will continue and continue to cry and qq for a respect quoting this day until the end of Dust demanding a SP Refund IE respect for any and all reasons. The CPM has lost sight of the longterm picture :(. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 444	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:40:00 - [1092] - Quote So CCP obviously knows that the vast majority of the community wants an infantry respec. CCP has actively been locking any/all threads that mention respecs to try to keep the forums from being flooded. CCP is acting EXACTLY like EA here. You wouldn't give EA any money would you? "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 351	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:48:00 - [1093] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: So CCP obviously knows that the vast majority of the community wants an infantry respec. CCP has actively been locking any/all threads that mention respecs to try to keep the forums from being flooded. CCP is acting EXACTLY like EA here. You wouldn't give EA any money would you? Does this surprise you? They hired a guy who used to work for EA and he is in charge of pretty much the whole thing no?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 385	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:51:00 - [1094] - Quote They like EA and Randy Pitchford together. Just nothing else, than disapointing. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:58:00 - [1095] - Quote This Respec is just ridiculous. I could give reasons, but I don't feel like being called an ungrateful player. We have over 50 pages of discussion to you guys, but you players don't care. So neither do I. Last time I post on this topic Full Respec because: Choice. I don't need people telling me, the extra shields may come in handy, I want to choose whether I want them. Don't need uplinks if I'm going Heavy. New suits, new chance to change roles, since many people's gameplay styles are changing. I want a choice, which I was not given. Weaponry because new guns are being added, want the choice to spec out of ARs, since they were a main weapon. You guys keep saying shouldn't have specced in. What the hell were we supposed to use? Melees? We get the insanely strong Rail Rifle, and then wait 3 months for a Respec. We get Dropsuit command. No Problem. I'll play Dust. But I refuse to be insulted by the blind fools on this forum. If you want to know why we QQ, read all 50 pages. Please, just read it. I will give 10 million Isk to the person who realizes they argued against the wrong QQer. Peace. If I see any of you insulters in battle, I will kill you, and then tea bag you. YOU WILL RAGE QUit. Threat sent. =D IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 389	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:59:00 - [1096] - Quote CCP DEVS Justify why its a dropsuit command sp refund only ... I want to know how you came to that decision My Theme
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 534	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:09:00 - [1097] - Quote We've reached over 1000 post for a Full Respec. WE DESERVED IT. Anyway no respec, will makes lot of player give up this game, since losing 6 months of playing everytime you release new things start being REALLY annoying. We finally have the Full Racial Line Up, this was the PERFECT opportunity to have a full Respec. It's not going to happen twice.
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:13:00 - [1098] - Quote Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 535	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:22:00 - [1099] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy.....
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1596	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:31:00 - [1100] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: We've reached over 1000 post for a Full Respec. WE DESERVED IT. Anyway no respec, will makes lot of player give up this game, since losing 6 months of playing everytime you release new things start being REALLY annoying. We finally have the Full Racial Line Up, this was the PERFECT opportunity to have a full Respec. It's not going to happen twice. I was 1000 and I was against having a full respec. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 154	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:39:00 - [1101] - Quote Mwhahaha the tears are so wonderful! If you crybabies want a new role then pull the trigger and go earn that sp or quit I don't care one way or the other. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 112	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:52:00 - [1102] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Full Respec because: Choice. I don't need people telling me, the extra shields may come in handy, I want to choose whether I want them. Don't need uplinks if I'm going Heavy. New suits, new chance to change roles, since many people's gameplay styles are changing. I want a choice, which I was not given. Weaponry because new guns are being added, want the choice to spec out of ARs, since they were a main weapon. You guys keep saying shouldn't have specced in. What the hell were we supposed to use? Melees? We get the insanely strong Rail Rifle, and then wait 3 months for a Respec. We get Dropsuit command. Point where the new suits entitle you to a role change. You could have changed roles at any time before 1.8, why wait until now? If you wanted to be a heavy, why didnGÇÖt you spec into it? I started Uprising as Gallente assault, I have it at proto level, and now I mostly use Amarr logi, which I also have at proto level. I changed roles. It wasnGÇÖt hard actually. Though I must admit, I use my logi for mainly slaying but I have proto equipment nonetheless. I am also able to field a heavy with a proto forge gun or ADV HMG. I have no points in heavy suits though because I didnGÇÖt want to use the Amarr heavy. Tell me, why couldnGÇÖt you do this? With 1.8 IGÇÖm getting two new suits, Gallente scout and heavy. Two brand spanking new roles for me to play with, two roles I need more SP to fully utilize. But I will have a nice full line up; assault, logi, scout and a heavy. I wouldnGÇÖt dream of giving up my other roles and all my SP spent in weapons, upgrades and equipment only increase my efficiency with any role I want to play. And not all racial weapons are out so you must feel entitled, yet again, to another respec once we have them. But IGÇÖm sure you, among others, feel that a weapon respec would not suffice then either. No, IGÇÖm sure you feel a full respec is in order in case you want to change roles again. You are, even as we speak, accruing SP. You get more every day, even if you donGÇÖt play. Use that information wisely. Happy hunting. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation 2	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:03:00 - [1103] - Quote Not that there hasn't been pages of discussion already but this shows that, as with the EVE side of CCP, this division of CCP doesn't play DUST. Here is one more person done with buying microtransactions after this dropsuit command only respec. I'm not saying I will stop playing altogether because of this, but I will WHEN I get tired of the same dropsuit. As a 17 mil SP toon a dropsuit command respec gives me absolutely no more freedom to use other suits than what I'm currently using. Just ONE example of why this is bad. The difference between having advanced and prototype tanking mods actually determines the viability of proto suits. I'm not respecing away from my proto Amarr logistics because I want to play Caldari logistics but don't have complex shield extenders while I have complex plates. Then you can say "well that's what LP is for." Then I say "That's a design choice that won't last you for long because grinding out FW games is not fun. 99% of the time you are on one side of the proto stomp."
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 355	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:07:00 - [1104] - Quote I love how caldari users get screwed. Every other faction gets better bonuses.id rather have hipfire or bigger clip but I dont want to use gallente or mimmy suits. I like how damage mods get nerfed to force people to use the broken commando class. What was wrong with the bonuses the way they were? I liked my ck0 bonus. Kiss my ass, ccp. As I said in another post I hope destiny and ps2 bury this game and put ccp shanghai out of a job.
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:07:00 - [1105] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:07:00 - [1106] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Mwhahaha the tears are so wonderful! If you crybabies want a new role then pull the trigger and go earn that sp or quit I don't care one way or the other. Honestly people like you are disgrace for the human race, you parents should be really proud. But we all know this is issue of sensible upbringing. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:08:00 - [1107] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. container without content loosing on name Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:12:00 - [1108] - Quote And doesn't the suit determine your role? With a dropsuit respec we can become whatever we want. The core skills you have will apply to whatever suit you choose. And really at this point all you have to do is spec into whatever new weapons you want to round out your role. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:14:00 - [1109] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. container without content loosing on name It's already full. All these tears, soooo refreshing. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 25	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:14:00 - [1110] - Quote Players will always be unhappy regardless of what is done. A respec helps players who feel they made rash decisions (I've been one of those people) but it does nothing for the hardcore vets who do whatever they want. I'd be more than happy to save up for a different class since respecing leaves me with gear I currently cant sell. CCP, you need a more user friendly design for new players. They don't understand roles or the current gameplay. I'd go so far as to suggest preventing buying items and skills until 10+ games have been played. People rarely eat something they aren't familiar with without a taste. Then move them to the rookie servers etc etc I messed up my skills, guess it't time for MILLITA MONTH!!!

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:17:00 - [1111] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. container without content loosing on name It's already full. All these tears, soooo refreshing. There is no tears, there is just rage. Tears are from filth or sadness not from rage. I thing your trolling is somehow wrong here. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1236	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:24:00 - [1112] - Quote Still salty, hmm? Man i'm a bad person for indulging in this. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 25	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:29:00 - [1113] - Quote "So thatGÇÖs whatGÇÖs in the pipe for Dropsuits in Uprising 1.8. But wait, thereGÇÖs one more thingGÇª After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. So, if your preferred racial frame didnGÇÖt previously exist, youGÇÖll be able to switch to one of the newly available suit frames without penalty. Please note that this change will happen automatically as part of the Uprising 1.8 update and is aimed for deployment on the same day. This will result in all Skill Points invested in to the Dropsuit Command skill tree being refunded, along with the ISK from all affected purchased skill books. Additionally, this may result in players having to retrain previous skills within the Dropsuit Command skill tree. Uprising 1.8 Deployment is currently planned for the 25th of March, and hope you enjoy the new Dropsuits. We canGÇÖt wait to see you using them in the battles to come!" -CCP Dev Blog regarding 1.8 There, it's been decided: Respec ONE skill tree (called it) WILL THIS AFFECT PURCHASED SUITS THAT WILL NO LONGER BE USABLE? Also we get bonus sp too I messed up my skills, guess it't time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 113	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:45:00 - [1114] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Mwhahaha the tears are so wonderful! If you crybabies want a new role then pull the trigger and go earn that sp or quit I don't care one way or the other. Honestly people like you are disgrace for the human race, you parents should be really proud. But we all know this is issue of sensible upbringing. Actually, his parents should be proud. It seems they have raised a child who does not feel entitled to whatever their heart desires. They have raised him to work for his achievements, and as such, appreciate them. Sure he could use another lesson on how mocking other people is rude, but other than that, what stellar job they have done. Most people on this thread though seem to be brats who are used to getting what they want as soon as they want and sadly mixing personal interest with entitlement. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:51:00 - [1115] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: There is no tears, there is just rage. Tears are from filth or sadness not from rage. I thing your trolling is somehow wrong here. It's less trolling and more schadenfreude. It's a game. They released some new content and are allowing us to redistribute the SP that we invested in our dropsuit operation. People are mad that they got something instead of nothing. I think potato soup is a good dish to make with all these tears I collected. The potatoes will soak up a lot of the salt. YUM!! And I think I should make the point clearer. They could just decide to scrap Dust 514 entirely. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
CLONE ALPHA 001 Lokapalas. 11	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:54:00 - [1116] - Quote CCP please refund weapons and drop suit upgrades. Also don't have lengthy discussions with the CPM they don't know **** and they do not represent the dust community as they were not voted in by us.
Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 27	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:55:00 - [1117] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: CCP please refund weapons and drop suit upgrades. Also don't have lengthy discussions with the CPM ... they do not represent the dust community as they were not voted in by us. Truer words have never been said It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1236	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:57:00 - [1118] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: CCP please refund weapons and drop suit upgrades. Also don't have lengthy discussions with the CPM they don't know **** and they do not represent the dust community as they were not voted in by us. Next time they won't listen to the CPM and we get no respecs at all, promised. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 395	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:03:00 - [1119] - Quote I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 151	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:11:00 - [1120] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Full Respec because: Choice. I don't need people telling me, the extra shields may come in handy, I want to choose whether I want them. Don't need uplinks if I'm going Heavy. New suits, new chance to change roles, since many people's gameplay styles are changing. I want a choice, which I was not given. Weaponry because new guns are being added, want the choice to spec out of ARs, since they were a main weapon. You guys keep saying shouldn't have specced in. What the hell were we supposed to use? Melees? We get the insanely strong Rail Rifle, and then wait 3 months for a Respec. We get Dropsuit command. Point where the new suits entitle you to a role change. You could have changed roles at any time before 1.8, why wait until now? If you wanted to be a heavy, why didnGÇÖt you spec into it? I started Uprising as Gallente assault, I have it at proto level, and now I mostly use Amarr logi, which I also have at proto level. I changed roles. It wasnGÇÖt hard actually. Though I must admit, I use my logi for mainly slaying but I have proto equipment nonetheless. I am also able to field a heavy with a proto forge gun or ADV HMG. I have no points in heavy suits though because I didnGÇÖt want to use the Amarr heavy. Tell me, why couldnGÇÖt you do this? With 1.8 IGÇÖm getting two new suits, Gallente scout and heavy. Two brand spanking new roles for me to play with, two roles I need more SP to fully utilize. But I will have a nice full line up; assault, logi, scout and a heavy. I wouldnGÇÖt dream of giving up my other roles and all my SP spent in weapons, upgrades and equipment only increase my efficiency with any role I want to play. And not all racial weapons are out so you must feel entitled, yet again, to another respec once we have them. But IGÇÖm sure you, among others, feel that a weapon respec would not suffice then either. No, IGÇÖm sure you feel a full respec is in order in case you want to change roles again. You are, even as we speak, accruing SP. You get more every day, even if you donGÇÖt play. Use that information wisely. Happy hunting. You do make a good point. I respect that. However, the suit I don't want to use the Amarr heavy because it was not the suit I wanted. I've tried it. I have an advanced basic. Soaking up damage is not my playstyle. Moving quickly is. With the changes to the suits, you are basically changing their role. Logi equipment is now an asset, thank goodness. Oh wait, some people don't want that. At this point I'm basically beating a dead horse. I apologize for my jabs at nay-sayers, it was uncalled for. Thank you CCP for the partial respec. Have a good night all IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?

Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 113	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:26:00 - [1121] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. This thread was made to stop the respec thread spam on the forums. While that was the intention it doesnGÇÖt mean a discussion couldnGÇÖt be had. So people who are against, neutral or for respecs are welcome in this thread. So donGÇÖt be surprised if people donGÇÖt agree with you. You downright insulted another forum goer with GÇ£youGÇÖre a disgrace to human raceGÇ¥ and their parents by insinuating they had failed at their job. I donGÇÖt agree with you, and I pointed out why, but I did agree that he had been rude too. At no point did I say youGÇÖre a brat. I did not name you personally, or say it outright. I merely said that GÇ£most peopleGÇ¥ on this thread seem to be just that. I wish more people used actual arguments of why a full respec is in order. Most of the posts have been about peopleGÇÖs personal feelings and how they are disappointed and leaving forever if they donGÇÖt get what they want. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.*
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2028	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:29:00 - [1122] - Quote I'm glad I saved my SP I knew CCP would screw us over. Here are my reason why a complete infantry respec is necessary. > Logistics suits are geared towards using a specific equipment. Nothing stops them from using other equipment but with equipment nerfs and changes some equipment will be useless on some suits. Like active scanners on anything but a Gallente... > Dampening was a necessary skill post 1.8 but with the nerf to Scanmers dampeners are useless to all suits but scouts. Maybe if they were moved to the highs but that's something for the future... > Weapon nerfs and crappy balance... The rail rifle and the scr will remain the dominant rifles. Long range will still best short range, and people who are heavily specced into the AR are just screwed. Same with people heavily specced into the smg. > Weapon upgrades skill is useless nuff said There would be no need for a racial respec if CCP nerfed things and kept them viable. If they made changes completely and not half ass them to finish them in the next patch cycle. Everything that I mentioned above is not a a cry for OMG new fotm I want in but because anybody who specced into whatever is mmntioned above and anything I missed is basically screwed and is forced to grind out 2 months of SP just to become viable again. For the Federation!
saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 16	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:34:00 - [1123] - Quote In my opinion i think that there shouldnt be anymore respects, my reason for this is because after operation mauler and the 1 million clone challenge is cashed in i'll be sat on approximately 32milsp and i know way more people with more sp overall and if we get a respec i really dont want to see the consequences and im pretty sure you guys dont either. i've gone through this game just getting respecs, i got one after beta and skilled fully into tanks i had all vehicle upgd's lev 5 and a Veyu with lev 5 enforcer and pro turrets,i stuck with that until i had the vehicle respec. After this i got a pro gal logi suit a pro RR/CR and lev 5 all d'suit upgd's, what im saying is i havnt waited for nothing its just pretty much been given to me by these respecs no matter how nice it'll be to get a respec, there will always be new gear/weapons/vehicles coming out and if were gonna get a respec everytime somthing new comes out theres no working for the pro gun/suit you really want, theres no sense of accomplishment. I love this game, i know its glitchy at times but remember it is free and just think you may complain about "How broken it is" but they must be doing somthing right if we play day in and day out. So i ThankYou CCP For Giving Us Dust 514. 'SAX'
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 21	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:39:00 - [1124] - Quote Really, I think that, for us is not a problem bring us a full respect point. That forum hasn't be necesary if CCP think more in the players and less in the money. And with all we have now, more than 20.000 visits and more than 1.100 comments. Really, that post will has innecesary if we had more than 'Only players' to CCP... Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 89	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:52:00 - [1125] - Quote Changing dropsuits is also changing how people will want to spend points on dropsuit core skills. Changing weapon damage, grenade capacity, and weapon profeciency skill bonuses will change how people want to spend SP on weapon skills as well. It would be better to give a respec on all dropsuit, dropsuit core, and weaponry skills. Please what is the CPM community doing, represent!
Andrew Ka Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:57:00 - [1126] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: In the future, if a new dropsuit is announced, we'd likely get all racial variants at once. Likely, based on what? I'm hesitant to give this statement any agreement. I definitely hope it's true, but if wishes were fishes...
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 41	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:09:00 - [1127] - Quote Seriously, I strongly endorse those who really, really want a more full respec just walk away from the game for awhile. keep your passive SP rolling and just come back in a month or two, hopefully not too far out from 1.9, and have plenty of SP waiting for you. Easy solution. While the case can definitely be made that CCP owed us a Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry respec as well, we didn't get one. Tough ****. I think we were owed more. I think CCP dropped the ball. However, crying about it clearly isn't going to fix anything, because if after 56 pages and 1120 comments of overwhelming support for a refund of all SP invested in the top three meta-trees didn't get it, a few more forum tears won't, either. So buck up and either 1) play the game, earn more SP, and invest in the skills you want, or 2) take some time off (as I am doing, though for other, personal reasons) and come back in a month or two to a boatload of SP waiting for you. If anything, the excessive crying now that we received a partial respec is pushing me toward the anti-respec crowd's camp. You wanted X, Y, and Z. You got X. Be grateful. I think in the future I may just prefer that CCP lay out a blanket rule that says no respecs, EVAR! It would certainly make all of this simpler. EDIT: more specific page/comment count
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 41	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:10:00 - [1128] - Quote Andrew Ka wrote: Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: In the future, if a new dropsuit is announced, we'd likely get all racial variants at once. Likely, based on what? I'm hesitant to give this statement any agreement. I definitely hope it's true, but if wishes were fishes... I would certainly hope that CCP learned from the shitstorm that ensued with 1.8. But I suppose this is CCP. You're right, I'd be hesitant, too...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 398	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:23:00 - [1129] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. This thread was made to stop the respec thread spam on the forums. While that was the intention it doesnGÇÖt mean a discussion couldnGÇÖt be had. So people who are against, neutral or for respecs are welcome in this thread. So donGÇÖt be surprised if people donGÇÖt agree with you. You downright insulted another forum goer with GÇ£youGÇÖre a disgrace to human raceGÇ¥ and their parents by insinuating they had failed at their job. I donGÇÖt agree with you, and I pointed out why, but I did agree that he had been rude too. At no point did I say youGÇÖre a brat. I did not name you personally, or say it outright. I merely said that GÇ£most peopleGÇ¥ on this thread seem to be just that. I wish more people used actual arguments of why a full respec is in order. Most of the posts have been about peopleGÇÖs personal feelings and how they are disappointed and leaving forever if they donGÇÖt get what they want. I didnt talk about people who dont agree. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 1986	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:28:00 - [1130] - Quote Bah WTF CCP, I had a few friends willing to come backand play hoping they could re-do their ** skill choices due to poor starter knowledge of every ***** item in the game. Looks like the community will keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller, then one day in August 2014, Dust514 will close its servers..a flop I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3815	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:28:00 - [1131] - Quote I think it's interesting that you could have your suit freed up to finally play, say, a Heavy you wanted. But if you'd been logi-ing in the meantime, you effectively have millions of SP wasted in equipment that you won't be able to use at all (since Sentinels can't carry equipment). If you played an Amarr Assault that was dual-tanking, SURPRISE, you're now heavily focused on armor hp. Don't worry, you can respec into another suit type... oh wait... did you skill into lasers because you were an Amarr Assault? Yeah, those will be crappy if you try anything else. Sucks to be you. So you were already a Commando using some different light weapons? Awesome. What were you using? Combat Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Swarms, and Laser? Oooh... sorry, none of the new Commandos (including your old one) will be bonused to use even two of those. Also, we made sure to make Swarms completely unusable by anyone. Sucks to be you. The whole idea of "dropsuit only" as if these decisions were completely independent, was entirely asinine. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
h3110 kitty Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:36:00 - [1132] - Quote i love this the respec is only for dropsuit command thts f*ing wonderful guess wht all my skill points r gonna hve to go back in logi and i really dont want to be a logi. now u might be thinking well u dont hve to spec back into a logi but wht would be the point of having almost all proto equipment's on a scout or assult......... and again another big ** you from ccp.......
h3110 kitty Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:44:00 - [1133] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. This thread was made to stop the respec thread spam on the forums. While that was the intention it doesnGÇÖt mean a discussion couldnGÇÖt be had. So people who are against, neutral or for respecs are welcome in this thread. So donGÇÖt be surprised if people donGÇÖt agree with you. You downright insulted another forum goer with GÇ£youGÇÖre a disgrace to human raceGÇ¥ and their parents by insinuating they had failed at their job. I donGÇÖt agree with you, and I pointed out why, but I did agree that he had been rude too. At no point did I say youGÇÖre a brat. I did not name you personally, or say it outright. I merely said that GÇ£most peopleGÇ¥ on this thread seem to be just that. I wish more people used actual arguments of why a full respec is in order. Most of the posts have been about peopleGÇÖs personal feelings and how they are disappointed and leaving forever if they donGÇÖt get what they want. I didnt talk about people who dont agree. exactly why dust is gonna fail when destiny comes out ccp is full of **** retards who have no *** idea wht there doing a *** ****** 5 year old could do a better job than thm every offence ment ccp ur game is a joke
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 80	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:48:00 - [1134] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? Cool he got the torches, now did anybody brought extra pitchforks.
Shley Ashes Commando Perkone Caldari State 117	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:53:00 - [1135] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I think it's interesting that you could have your suit freed up to finally play, say, a Heavy you wanted. But if you'd been logi-ing in the meantime, you effectively have millions of SP wasted in equipment that you won't be able to use at all (since Sentinels can't carry equipment). If you played an Amarr Assault that was dual-tanking, SURPRISE, you're now heavily focused on armor hp. Don't worry, you can respec into another suit type... oh wait... did you skill into lasers because you were an Amarr Assault? Yeah, those will be crappy if you try anything else. Sucks to be you. So you were already a Commando using some different light weapons? Awesome. What were you using? Combat Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Swarms, and Laser? Oooh... sorry, none of the new Commandos (including your old one) will be bonused to use even two of those. Also, we made sure to make Swarms completely unusable by anyone. Sucks to be you. The whole idea of "dropsuit only" as if these decisions were completely independent, was entirely asinine. this ^^ also, the buff/nerf culture that has been introduced of every point patch makes me worry about specing into anything, "rebalancing" practically everything infantry orientated in this case has made me regret investing the time to get my equipment skills up to 5 in all but uplinks, I for one thought the equipment skills would be refunded due to the Logi "rebalance" as I thought this to be the real change to peoples play style, My decision, my consequences seem to me that the choice's I made "the skills you train will define the warrior you ultimately become" Dust 514 : Way of the mercenary Oct 26, 2012 I'm sad to say this is only true until CCP decides on a rebalance The redeeming factor is the possibility of 750k SP from the "Mauler" event and the possibility of 1mil from the MCC event this weekend, however this still leaves another bitter taste in the mouth with no way of truly keeping tally for either event For 21 day EveOnline trial https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=0f1324bf-679c-420a-b7ed-c181423c1369&action=buddy
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 827	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:14:00 - [1136] - Quote Part of me feels like CCP didn't give us enough of a respect. As mentioned, if I'm moving from amarr sentinel to caldari sentinel, I don't need all those armor upgrades anymore. Likewise, if certain suits are getting bonuses with certain weapons, then a weapons respect would go along with it. However, the other part of me is thankful that we at least got a dropsuit command respec. Its better than getting nothing refunded at all. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 43	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:36:00 - [1137] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Part of me feels like CCP didn't give us enough of a respect. As mentioned, if I'm moving from amarr sentinel to caldari sentinel, I don't need all those armor upgrades anymore. Likewise, if certain suits are getting bonuses with certain weapons, then a weapons respect would go along with it. However, the other part of me is thankful that we at least got a dropsuit command respec. Its better than getting nothing refunded at all. If more people felt like this, the people hating on those who want a respec would have oh so much less ammunition against us.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1247	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:47:00 - [1138] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Part of me feels like CCP didn't give us enough of a respect. As mentioned, if I'm moving from amarr sentinel to caldari sentinel, I don't need all those armor upgrades anymore. Likewise, if certain suits are getting bonuses with certain weapons, then a weapons respect would go along with it. However, the other part of me is thankful that we at least got a dropsuit command respec. Its better than getting nothing refunded at all. If more people felt like this, the people hating on those who want a respec would have oh so much less ammunition against us. Certified respec hater approves this message. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 100	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:57:00 - [1139] - Quote you know this whole thread is just one big fail we are in a way better position then new people.. sure our SP might not be optimized but CCP has been throwing SP at us since 1.8 was announced, if you didnt bother saving it because you felt that you deserved a respec so they have to give us one even though they have specifically said at Uprising 1.0 there will be no more respecs, well whatever I know guys that have only skilled into core skills and have been running free suits since 1.0 because of that, and they have been waiting for racial parity for almost a year now, so this is a kick in the face to them Hell I have been grinding on a Min scout to get to where I am and every time I see these damn respec discussion it pisses me off. why because it doesnt address the under lying issue we dont need a respec we need a ****ing fun game so that it doesnt matter if it takes us a freaking month or 2 to optomize our characters again we are hanging out cause this game has the potential to be brilliant, we just need it to be something enjoyable to play instead of a second job called grind514
LittleCuteBunny 354	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:19:00 - [1140] - Quote icdedppul wrote: you know this whole thread is just one big fail ... they have specifically said at Uprising 1.0 there will be no more respecs, well whatever ... we dont need a respec we need a ****ing fun game so that it doesnt matter if it takes us a freaking month or 2 to optomize our characters again... Actually I remember them saying there will be no more full respecs, they were refering that in their eyes partial refunds or optional respecs were fine (but we all know what happens when they tried to pull an optional respec) Once you have +30m SP you pretty much should have ~4 proto dropsuits, optimized most of the things you wanted along with gimmicks and should start putting SP into vehicles Recruiter Link Retired.

Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 34	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:26:00 - [1141] - Quote I think most people are just simply disappointed. I am happy I am getting something. CCP didn't have to give us anything to be completely honest and people bashing DEVs on this forum page isn't going to help our situation. I think this community would be better if people would actually attempt to act like adults instead of walking around feeling like they are owed something. There's a message in my Cheerios!
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 356	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:52:00 - [1142] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: Players will always be unhappy regardless of what is done. A respec helps players who feel they made rash decisions (I've been one of those people) but it does nothing for the hardcore vets who do whatever they want. I'd be more than happy to save up for a different class since respecing leaves me with gear I currently cant sell. CCP, you need a more user friendly design for new players. They don't understand roles or the current gameplay. I'd go so far as to suggest preventing buying items and skills until 10+ games have been played. People rarely eat something they aren't familiar with without a taste. Then move them to the rookie servers etc etc Ive got 20m sp. This respec completely f*s me over. I didnt spec into ARs knowing eventually theyd be nerfed. I didnt spec into ck0s knowing theyd get a ridiculous bonus instead of the bonus they originally had. These stupid morons CLEARLY have no idea what theyre doing. Why? Because theyre fing idiots.8th graders could design a better game. At least a total respec would have been an attempt of an olive branch for all the people theyre screwing over. The sad part about it is these idiots pat themselves on the back everytime a new patch comes out which breaks the game even further. The flaylock and plasma cannons are perfect examples and testaments to their stupidity. I was mad, but now im not. I just dont care. They wont get another dime from me and they wont get my time either. Im just going to sit back and watch the train derail. And no, you cant have my isk. Let it all flow into the digital wasteland. CCP...I would say I wish you well but I dont. I hope you fail. I want you to fail. I put faith in you for a year and all you did was f** us over. I hope you all rot in a chinese jail someday. By all means keep doing what youre doing. I'll be on my ps4 laughing at you. I hope ps2 is a huge success and sony shuts this travesty down.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:01:00 - [1143] - Quote I still pray, there is still time. But i already dont trust in any improvement by CCP. Its really sad what they did to us. And they had it here in front of their eyes. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1599	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:06:00 - [1144] - Quote Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:16:00 - [1145] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. Unproductive, thats actualy really funny. There wasnt anz QQ before, when the thread starts. People basicaly put out point why it should be full. Nothing else. Major community showed CCP why full is needed. How it ends we know. Now community is mostly furious and we all know why. They just make it by themselves nothing else. We were productive, CCP not. Im glad we have something but iam sad aswell and from proper reason. Thats reason is community wasnt listened. And whole that point what we taked up were just swept from CCP table. I honestly thinking whole day about that decision. I was angry, i was sad, one while i was fine, but after i was sad again. Just pure principe of things. I think i'll just start again from scratch. This is just ..meh, i really cant wit till destiny will be here. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:17:00 - [1146] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:26:00 - [1147] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. Read whole this thread from start, thats not about nerf. The whole story s about new implements. I using rail and i basicaly dont cae how much it was nerfed, because i sucks in shooting anyway. Im support i leaving shooting for assaulters. The whole madness is about thing from what we received just part. Im glad for that, it still better than nothing. But we was so close to achieve proper repsec. Not just small cut. And thats the whole story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS 48	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:44:00 - [1148] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. I'll still spec into Rail Rifles if we got a respec. (Insert witty phrase here)
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:46:00 - [1149] - Quote I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) There's a message in my Cheerios!
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:54:00 - [1150] - Quote Nevermind, whats the point? Scanning Table for 1.8: LINK

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:12:00 - [1151] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:16:00 - [1152] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. I can completely understand. You have two weeks worth of SP/Bonus SP and Event SP. You can't tell me you want have atleast 2-3 mil for the launch There's a message in my Cheerios!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:23:00 - [1153] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. I can completely understand. You have two weeks worth of SP/Bonus SP and Event SP. You can't tell me you want have atleast 2-3 mil for the launch Nope you dont, this is not about SP itself. This is about stuff what isnt caldari ad i will be glad i there will be posibility to make it caldari. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:24:00 - [1154] - Quote I'm just trying to stay positive and hopeful for the game bud. Disappointment is a plague that must be checked before it spreads. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:27:00 - [1155] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: I'm just trying to stay positive and hopeful for the game bud. Disappointment is a plague that must be checked before it spreads. Me too. Btw if disappointments is plague why they sent us that placebo before in form of respec thread. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5051	Posted - 2014.03.13 10:26:00 - [1156] - Quote Wait does this mean I get the SP I so stupidly put into dropsuit upgrades level 5 back, oh happy day! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:51:00 - [1157] - Quote I do think weaponry should be given back as well. The new suit bonuses require a specific weapon to get the benefit from it. The other reason for it is that people that played heavy may want to move to a commando or scout suit that wasnt available and wont need HMGs and FGs.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:54:00 - [1158] - Quote Spartykins wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. I'll still spec into Rail Rifles if we got a respec. I would too if i used a caldari suit but i dont see the point in using it on my gallente suits now.
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 1990	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:43:00 - [1159] - Quote So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the ***** game. I sure as hell haven't. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2031	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:48:00 - [1160] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Spartykins wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. I'll still spec into Rail Rifles if we got a respec. I would too if i used a caldari suit but i dont see the point in using it on my gallente suits now. Rail rifle is still going to be the best rifle :) For the Federation!

ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 75	Posted - 2014.03.13 13:10:00 - [1161] - Quote Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 408	Posted - 2014.03.13 15:23:00 - [1162] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs? Basicaly it seems like something went wrong. I dont know whos fault it is, because we told them how it will be. But from some wierd reason suits are changable and arms not. Even they both are just on same level. I dont get logic, where is Racial suit more than Racial weapon. Stats was changed, ne suits and weapons implemented. Why their decision is like this i just dont understand. Its really seems like few boyos just dont like chance to make a change. Nothing else i really dont see. I really pray for change, CCP should rethink their decision, honestly. Till that time i will be off game on passive. Hell i wanted just pure racial suit and invest poits finaly to proper caldari tech. Like this i will have crapy noncaldari stuff on my suit for ever, just because i must before. Tank driver had respec n their machines with all. Why i like infatry can have same thing. I pressume i'll just wait for destiny beta and game itself. I dont want grind time what i put in game again. Hell they really need to rething this, i like this game but this is just another setback, nothing else. With full respec there can be gig wave of player back and we all can have what we wanted. With this there will be nothing, just another sad story in dust 514 epitaph. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 78	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:36:00 - [1163] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs? Basicaly it seems like something went wrong. I dont know whos fault it is, because we told them how it will be. But from some wierd reason suits are changable and arms not. Even they both are just on same level. I dont get logic, where is Racial suit more than Racial weapon. Stats was changed, ne suits and weapons implemented. Why their decision is like this i just dont understand. Its really seems like few boyos just dont like chance to make a change. Nothing else i really dont see. I really pray for change, CCP should rethink their decision, honestly. Till that time i will be off game on passive. Hell i wanted just pure racial suit and invest poits finaly to proper caldari tech. Like this i will have crapy noncaldari stuff on my suit for ever, just because i must before. Tank driver had respec n their machines with all. Why i like infatry can have same thing. I pressume i'll just wait for destiny beta and game itself. I dont want grind time what i put in game again. Hell they really need to rething this, i like this game but this is just another setback, nothing else. With full respec there can be gig wave of player back and we all can have what we wanted. With this there will be nothing, just another sad story in dust 514 epitaph. I agree with you, to be honest the choice is obvious a full infantry respec & if it were me at CCP i would make that choice final & optinal for Vets & Newbies, but CCP went full ******** & went with Dropsuit Respec. CCP obviously doesn't know what they're doing & they're asking for help from us to make a decision, which they don't need help because it's obvious that 1.8 needs a full infantry respec, just like 1.7 with vehicles... Derp CCP Derp...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 412	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:47:00 - [1164] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs? Basicaly it seems like something went wrong. I dont know whos fault it is, because we told them how it will be. But from some wierd reason suits are changable and arms not. Even they both are just on same level. I dont get logic, where is Racial suit more than Racial weapon. Stats was changed, ne suits and weapons implemented. Why their decision is like this i just dont understand. Its really seems like few boyos just dont like chance to make a change. Nothing else i really dont see. I really pray for change, CCP should rethink their decision, honestly. Till that time i will be off game on passive. Hell i wanted just pure racial suit and invest poits finaly to proper caldari tech. Like this i will have crapy noncaldari stuff on my suit for ever, just because i must before. Tank driver had respec n their machines with all. Why i like infatry can have same thing. I pressume i'll just wait for destiny beta and game itself. I dont want grind time what i put in game again. Hell they really need to rething this, i like this game but this is just another setback, nothing else. With full respec there can be gig wave of player back and we all can have what we wanted. With this there will be nothing, just another sad story in dust 514 epitaph. I agree with you, to be honest the choice is obvious a full infantry respec & if it were me at CCP i would make that choice final & optinal for Vets & Newbies, but CCP went full ******** & went with Dropsuit Respec. CCP obviously doesn't know what they're doing & they're asking for help from us to make a decision, which they don't need help because it's obvious that 1.8 needs a full infantry respec, just like 1.7 with vehicles... Derp CCP Derp... Yup they asking but they everytime just make it somehow worst. Everytime when they listen to community they make it by themselves. And we know how its mostly ending. We can see that right now. I really dont know if they were shortsighted or if there were voices from some sour CPMs. I dont know and i dont want pointing by my finger. But overal this is just "cut" and ist basicaly not enought. Why a cant manage my poit finaly how i want with whole my caldari purism. Hell i had whole last week talk with customer service about racial quarters. But there is difference, GM scottsman fix whole problem. Devs somehow make this just meh. I still pray for some suprise, for some welcome sight by CCP. This patch should be a influx gate for players who left. And help for people who want to grind just purism in game. But for now whole that sound, wha we made was suffocated by this "overcuted" decision. CCP you can do more than just this. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3820	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:47:00 - [1165] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the ***** game. I sure as hell haven't. Saw IWS months back, he brought a crappy missile tank out, get roflstomped and left battle. This is all on CCP. I haven't seen a single CPM member that was not in favor of a full infantry respec. There might be one somewhere, but the CPM even made forum threads saying we needed respecs (Kane). CCP heard both the CPM and us ask for a respec, and called the partial thing they gave us "listening". Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 413	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:55:00 - [1166] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the ***** game. I sure as hell haven't. Saw IWS months back, he brought a crappy missile tank out, get roflstomped and left battle. This is all on CCP. I haven't seen a single CPM member that was not in favor of a full infantry respec. There might be one somewhere, but the CPM even made forum threads saying we needed respecs (Kane). CCP heard both the CPM and us ask for a respec, and called the partial thing they gave us "listening". Thats not listening. Honestly i see that more like shortsighted decision. Because i really dont thing they wanted to troll us. In state what game is right now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 47	Posted - 2014.03.13 17:54:00 - [1167] - Quote Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off!
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:06:00 - [1168] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 47	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:08:00 - [1169] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2967	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:11:00 - [1170] - Quote CCP might aswell close this thread It was pointless from the beginning Intelligence is OP

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 414	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:16:00 - [1171] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation... Im really intested why this decision too. There was voice of many. Hell we were like Legion from bible. But CCP somehow didnt agree with that. Im really intersted why this decision, even if majority was for something else. I dont know if its a big deal for them and i bet its not. Why if suit are fine, why not same with weapons. We talking here about special situation. And they made this "cut". I still cant avvept that decision. Its like trying to say something to deff person. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:18:00 - [1172] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation... I don't need to explain to you on what the government is doing, unless you've been keeping up-to-date on what the heck is happing on our planet. But you obviously don't know how business works, if a customer doesn't like a decision that a company made, the company need to listen & revoke that decision, to gain respect from the community.
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 23	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:37:00 - [1173] - Quote Honestly ... I expected more of you could at least give us some reasonable explanation, which does not have to do with money ... What happened, technical problems? It's hard to do? Or it is just to make more money? It really is a big disappointment on your part do this to us, I do not, but there are many players who have been faithful to you since the BETA and do not want to return anything. I really lost respect for you CCP, did not think we would arrive to do besides that and we overcame the 50 pages of comments, all of them giving a reason to give us a refund. Regards and good lock "winning" money "honestly" Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 1993	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:41:00 - [1174] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the *** game. I sure as hell haven't. Saw IWS months back, he brought a crappy missile tank out, get roflstomped and left battle. This is all on CCP. I haven't seen a single CPM member that was not in favor of a full infantry respec. There might be one somewhere, but the CPM even made forum threads saying we needed respecs (Kane). CCP heard both the CPM and us ask for a respec, and called the partial thing they gave us "listening". Seems to me like CCP are scared of offending or upsetting the veterans of Dust514, lost protecting a past while the games future disintegrates. The drop suit refund does allow all players to try new suits. It does favor the vets due to the fact they have the core skills needed to run just about anysuit. They aren't worried their weapon will be ** in 1.8, due to the fact the have proficiency in several others. Maybe you've run snipers since you started a few months ago, and are now faced with being the laughing stock of the community, its very doubtful you have the weapons and core skills to pull of completely and efficiently switching roles.. Us vets really have no worries, we have had several refunds and plenty of time to understand where to put our points, and in a lot of vet cases, the only worry about SP placement is finding a skill you don't have yet. Meanwhile the newer players who are left to pick up the pieces of poor choice not through their own idiocy, but through the game's complete clusterf*ck of poor information. Look at the district locking hotfix, they managed to leave that one from being fixed just long enough for most vets to be beyond loaded. It's irreversible and will be the killer of the game. New corps will be elbow smashed in the ears before they could even dream of actually taking a real district, or fully competing in PC, Newer players will have no way to compete in a player market if one was ever placed in. or look at BPO's the took them out once all the vets got theirs.. This respec isn't an issue, but it sure does help outline CCP's priorities for the game, they are very short sighted, designing the game in the wrong order, with no care or knowledge of the games future. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 716	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:31:00 - [1175] - Quote Disappointed to not see additional refunds, especially with the link between weapons and many suits now. I can understand CCP not wanting people to do the "I am going Caldari Heavy from my Gallente Logistics because of the respec." The respec should be about letting people that couldn't be X or Y Heavy/Light Suits being able to change into that suit. However, there is a problem with the people that have five million SP or so. They may have wanted to go Minmatar Commando but couldn't so they are using an Amarr Commando. The are also using an Assault Rifle because it is what they liked. With the Dropsuit Command respec, can they really go Minmatar Commando like they were Amarr Commando before? Not really because they need Combat Rifle now. If they had thirty million SP it wouldn't nearly be as much of a problem but they don't; they have five million. Saying that the event makes up for the additional SP is kind of the wrong way of looking at it. If our Amarr -> Minmatar friend stays as a Commando, he he being 'punished for switching' because he has to spend the theoretical one million SP to really be a Minmatar Commando. Someone that isn't changing anything about themselves doesn't 'get punished' because they can use that theoretical one million SP on whatever they want. Yes, it is a bonus but think of it like this. If I give two people five thousand dollars and said "have fun", let's assume how they may spend it. One person is fairly well off already so they will use it for a booze and debauchery filled weekend in Vegas. The other person uses it to pay off their bills. One is being able to burn it however they want, wherever they want while the other is having to do a necessary purchase. If you are switching to a different race within the same role, you are probably going to have to do a necessary purchase. I think the risk of the Logistics -> Heavy was worth the risk of at least refunding weapons as well. Of course, this thread is probably not being read or moderated anymore as the decision was made so I could have better spent the time teaching my cat to juggle.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 225	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:42:00 - [1176] - Quote Fifty-nine pages of whine, and counting. Sorry for the interuption please continue. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12224	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:49:00 - [1177] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP might aswell close this thread It was pointless from the beginning LONG LIVE LEVEL R!!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1252	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:48:00 - [1178] - Quote "Hello echo!" A faint but angry set of voices resounds from the abyss: "FULL RESPEC.......Respec....respec......" You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 334	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:50:00 - [1179] - Quote HAHA, nearly 60 pages of this respect talk, can't see CCP going through all this and listening to us. DO A WEAPON RESPEC TOO, FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE FROM HEAVY TO SCOUT AND LOCKED IN HMG'S OR VISI VERSA IS JUST LAME CCP...... AS IF THEY'LL EVEN READ THIS FAR IN. LOL\ The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 415	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:13:00 - [1180] - Quote How i saw today thread in general about weapons and posible future inplements. Maybe there is a reason, because there is not full implements in weaponry. But if CCP just tell us something like:"There will be future implement around weaponry what will include weapon respec.", i will gladly shut up and wait. But till that time there will be just more and more posts and threads about. Why they just dont tell us something instead waiting behind closed doors. That secrecy is just contraproductive, nothing else. With better transparency and more open discussion with community, we can achieve better than this. Because this is just making bad blood here, between company and us, the player base and finaly even between us like players. Situation like these just making more and more trolls and bigger amount of "A-r-s-c-h-l-o-ch" type of persons here. With better responce will arive better feel between community and company. Without that there will be just feeling like CCP hiding somewhere from us, like other intentions and we will be just step from unhealthy paranoia. Just give us more info CCP, cooperate with us, hell we are community of your game, your baby. There is nothing bad on transparency and Kameradenship. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:35:00 - [1181] - Quote Everyone should stear clear of this game for a whole week after 1.8 drops .. the only way CCP will ever listen to the players is if there is a huge decrease in player numbers
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 419	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:37:00 - [1182] - Quote Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:55:00 - [1183] - Quote People seriously need to HTFU. I believe it was Pope John Paul II that said "Tough *******." If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 87	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:05:00 - [1184] - Quote Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? Proud Commando/ARC Instructor "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 424	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:30:00 - [1185] - Quote Thanjac wrote: Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? CPM i think Iron Wolfie boyo told me today this: #23 Posted: 2014.03.13 20:59 \| Report \| Edited by: Iron Wolf Saber "I don't think a full respec of weapons will ever happen though. Save some of your points for future guns, which should be a thing of constant. Lucky for us we CAN save SP over time. Eve Pilots don't get that luxury at all." It seem like its done. P.s.:there is original Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 68	Posted - 2014.03.14 05:27:00 - [1186] - Quote You guys should ask nicely: "Full infantry respec please~" After all you do catch more Devs with honey than you do with harsh sarcasm and death treats ^_^ *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1603	Posted - 2014.03.14 06:09:00 - [1187] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 488	Posted - 2014.03.14 07:22:00 - [1188] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Thanjac wrote: Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? CPM i think Iron Wolfie boyo told me today this: #23 Posted: 2014.03.13 20:59 \| Report \| Edited by: Iron Wolf Saber "I don't think a full respec of weapons will ever happen though. Save some of your points for future guns, which should be a thing of constant. Lucky for us we CAN save SP over time. Eve Pilots don't get that luxury at all." It seem like its done. P.s.:there is original IWS is possibly the most useless CSM of them all. He is constantly wrong about stuff over and over again, but never admits it. I can not wait until we actually have a CSM election. I will not be running, but I will definately campaign hard against IWS should he try to get re-elected. Anyway, eve pilots have and will always have racial parity. The moment something is released, it is released for all four races simultaneously. That is the reason why there is never any respecs there. Many of us have spent money on what is essentially a beta, in the hopes of seeing this game to fruition and beyond. To not allow us to respec when the full gamut of choices becomes available is a slap in the face, and a sure fire way to jade players. I mean why spend any sp on a role if your race doesn't have those tools yet. Like the amarr purists, I hope you enjoy 3 whole weapons (two light and one sidearm) for the next 6+ months, the same ones you have been using for the last year. Oh, and no skilling into grenades either because god knows if amarr will ever get one. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 29	Posted - 2014.03.14 12:49:00 - [1189] - Quote Hahaha if you give a mouse a cookie =ƒÿï=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 441	Posted - 2014.03.14 14:55:00 - [1190] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1969	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:35:00 - [1191] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 40	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:41:00 - [1192] - Quote Dropsuit respec only? R U joking? Why tankers could change whole skill tree and we can't. Please make full respec or forget about it. What about Swarms? Lock distance is quite ok but dmg is lame. I put sp on amarr logi because it's (was)best logi for tank killing. Now it's useless. Even wyrkomi swarms are so slow and low dmg that militia tank can easy escape. Dropship will even don't care as long recharger is on. LAV after first hit will escape until anybody could lock it again.I made heavy and forge gun because my role as logi av backup with swarms R over. I will change logi type because amarr bonus does not sat me. I don't need those plastic rockets on different logi. Many people spend sp on weapons or equpiment that were related with their fits. Now it brings more chaos than any good thing. Please think about it. U are giving me opportunity to change fit but if I will do that some of my stuff will be useless on different suit.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 443	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:09:00 - [1193] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry. (issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one) And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie. And this think really making me crazy. Have something what is no longer have proper point. Thats all. Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection. How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD. Its something what really disturbs me. And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel. Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted. Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 69	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:25:00 - [1194] - Quote Now that a Dropsuit Command refund is confirmed, we can work on other areas. A weaponry refund is needed. In 1.7 new guns were added, and more are coming in 1.8. The triple sp week was supposed to make up for the CR and RR and 1mil clone event is supposed to make up for the new sidearms. At the time i was saving for level 5 electronics and engineering and used that sp from the triple sp week and a few passive boosters and acquired the wanted skills. It was unfair that that event was supposed to cover the fact that the old place holder ARs were replaced with the proper racial variants. Also, come 1.8 proficiency is being changed. With those changes proficiency is not the same as it used to be, therefore we should have a choice to change those skills. Those are my reasons, please think about it CCP. -Open Beta Vet-15.5 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:42:00 - [1195] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry. (issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one) And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie. And this think really making me crazy. Have something what is no longer have proper point. Thats all. Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection. How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD. Its something what really disturbs me. And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel. Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted. Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself. Instead of trying to be a complicated arse about it just Scott Baiomass this character and start a new Sam Tektzby if you really want to be a purist. There had to be some point in time where you either had the Scram Pistol and decided to be all Caldari or were trying to be all Caldari and said "Ooooo! Scrambler Pistol, I guess you'll have to do." And just because you specc'd into something doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. Unless you foolishly bought 50 of them...... which I did for my commando... I bought 50 rep tools, so now I'm part Rep-mmando. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 447	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:10:00 - [1196] - Quote Grow up boyo Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 15	Posted - 2014.03.15 14:13:00 - [1197] - Quote This is still going? Good lord.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 29	Posted - 2014.03.15 14:45:00 - [1198] - Quote Hahahahahahha he =ƒÖè=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÿ¥
Kaan Raskil Raskil Tribe 6	Posted - 2014.03.15 16:01:00 - [1199] - Quote For the sake of pitching in here's my take on the respec topic. (Sorry if I didn't read all 60 pages first hand, it's pretty long) I've created Kaan and got 4 starter kits. Minmatar militia medium frame Assault Rifle / Swarm Launcher / Sniper Rifle Scrambler Pistol / Submachine gun So, depending on your play style, you stick to one of those fits, learn to play, and fit it accordingly. As a Frontline type of player, I've spent LOTS of points in the Assault Rifle. As the game evolved and I got slightly better, I've started spending points in my Dropsuit. I went the way of the Minmatar Assault (5 pts). The bonus is that I have more shield regen and more SMG ammo. When the Combat rifles debuted, I've started skilling them up but, it's such a shame that I have like, close to 3 million SP invested in assault rifles and to know that I'd need a Gallente suit in 1.8 to truly optimize it. In my mind, a Respec should be given with every major skill changes. After the Vehicle respec, I've invested the bare minimum to be "efficient" with a LAV. 1 pt in LAV, and a few pts in Small Blaster turrets. I'm waiting for the Minmatar vehicles before I invest more.
Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:02:00 - [1200] - Quote 60 Pages and no DEV has explained why they came to their dumb decision .. And you expect us to believe that you listen to the community ...CPM= Useless DEVS = useless

Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 35	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:31:00 - [1201] - Quote Fyra Yacile wrote: 60 Pages and no DEV has explained why they came to their dumb decision .. And you expect us to believe that you listen to the community ...CPM= Useless DEVS = useless I've learned that the CPM is far from useless. They are currently engaged in further negotiation and have pushed for the respec the entire time. Check the council chambers, they're on our side. As for the DEVS, they can only post once they've been given the go ahead. The event is to keep us occupied while they sort things out. Negotiations aren't finished yet but at least a dropsuit respec has been confirmed. It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 33	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:10:00 - [1202] - Quote wonder if the CPM are hammering home the point of 1.7. vehicle users got a full vehicle respec, giving them the option to spec out of vehicles altogether if they wanted to, whereas dropsuit users did not get this choice, and 1.8 is to dropsuits what 1.7 is to vehicles. at least we are getting the respec to the most crucial bit through.
Vaux Karn The Mercenary Collective 43	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:11:00 - [1203] - Quote Dropsuit only respec? Are you kidding me? You are willing to give a respec for people to change to their preferred race's dropsuit, but what about the weapons? I had to invest in Gallente assault rifles because Caldari rail rifles didn't exist...where was my respect? I had to invest in scrambler pistols because rail pistols didn't exist...now no respect there either? If you are going to give respecs for dropsuits, then do it for every time new racial variants are released...and that includes the stuff already released without a respec. 1.8 needs a full respec or no respec, not this dropsuits only crap...if you give a full respec, then you can start doing the conditional ones in the future. If you guys at CCP don't think this is a legitimate argument, then answer me this: what was I supposed to do...run around without a gun? Because if I recall correctly, that would be an invalid fitting.
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:16:00 - [1204] - Quote Floyd20 Azizora wrote: wonder if the CPM are hammering home the point of 1.7. vehicle users got a full vehicle respec, giving them the option to spec out of vehicles altogether if they wanted to, whereas dropsuit users did not get this choice, and 1.8 is to dropsuits what 1.7 is to vehicles. at least we are getting the respec to the most crucial bit through. Don't even get me started on vehicles... Swarms are crap, were only gonna have two grenades after 1.8, and with the shield recharges and armor gardeners even forge guns are pretty useless against tanks and dropships. Tanks and dropships need to be nerfed down badly. I'm tired of being in matches with 5 or 6 tanks on the field just eating infantry alive. Oh and how many people do you think will be wanting another SP refund if and when COCO figures out how to implement pilot suits and the other racial vehicles... can't wait for that one. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.16 07:02:00 - [1205] - Quote Vaux Karn wrote: Dropsuit only respec? Are you kidding me? You are willing to give a respec for people to change to their preferred race's dropsuit, but what about the weapons? I had to invest in Gallente assault rifles because Caldari rail rifles didn't exist...where was my respect? I had to invest in scrambler pistols because rail pistols didn't exist...now no respect there either? If you are going to give respecs for dropsuits, then do it for every time new racial variants are released...and that includes the stuff already released without a respec. 1.8 needs a full respec or no respec, not this dropsuits only crap...if you give a full respec, then you can start doing the conditional ones in the future. If you guys at CCP don't think this is a legitimate argument, then answer me this: what was I supposed to do...run around without a gun? Because if I recall correctly, that would be an invalid fitting. Technically you don't have to have a sidearm for the fitting to valid. All you need is a light or heavy weapon depending on what suit you use and you're good to go. But I understand if you would have liked to have a caldari pistol or Magsec SMG when it wasn't available. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Soozu 5o1st 187	Posted - 2014.03.16 08:10:00 - [1206] - Quote I am a paying customer. And if you are asking, then yes obviously I want a ***** respec. I paid, purchased, received, and now you yank it back and change it? For sakes.... Courtesy and manners alone dictate a full respec. Business practices demand it. And you can go yourselves if you don't. Don't give a single what anyone else standing in the ***** line-up thinks of it either.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 571	Posted - 2014.03.16 08:12:00 - [1207] - Quote Just Dropsuit Command!? :( That was much less than I expected. With the valid arguments about weapons and skills I really believed that there would be a better resolution from CCP about an expanded respec. I believed that the arguments could sway their thoughts on the matter. I was wrong. I understand that they said that they would listen, but that does not mean that they would change anything about their planned actions. I don't like it. Too often we believe that there is democracy in all things. In a perfect world perhaps, but in business, government, and entertainment this rarely holds the same value in the eyes of the decision makers as it does for the little people. It sucks, but that is life. The Logi Code. The Way of the Logibro
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 117	Posted - 2014.03.16 08:37:00 - [1208] - Quote We should be entitled to both a weapon refund and dropsuit refund. The fact that the dropsuits have been given bonuses to specific weapons is enough of a reason to give people a chance to change into the race they prefers weapons. The people who were playing heavy might want to go assault or scout but will be left with skill points they dont need with a weapon they cant use. We don't need a dropsuit upgrades respec because: 1, any good logi would have attempted to get all the equipment to lvl 5 anyway. 2, every suit receives the bonuses that the upgrades to pg, cpu, health and movement speed provide. and 3, why are you not going to skill into an armour repair/ plate or shield extension just because your suit tanks one better? if you have a spare slot and you can fit something that can give you more HP you do it. having them skills is never going to be a hindrance.
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 70	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:18:00 - [1209] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: 1, any good logi would have attempted to get all the equipment to lvl 5 anyway. 2, every suit receives the bonuses that the upgrades to pg, cpu, health and movement speed provide. and 3, why are you not going to skill into an armour repair/ plate or shield extension just because your suit tanks one better?. 1 because you don't want to be a logi anymore 2 an armor tank has no need for shield extenders if he runs damage mods 3 some people don't have 15mil SP to wast on shields and equipment when they want to run a gal heavy ^_^ full respec plz~ *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 118	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:05:00 - [1210] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: 1, any good logi would have attempted to get all the equipment to lvl 5 anyway. 2, every suit receives the bonuses that the upgrades to pg, cpu, health and movement speed provide. and 3, why are you not going to skill into an armour repair/ plate or shield extension just because your suit tanks one better?. 1 because you don't want to be a logi anymore 2 an armor tank has no need for shield extenders if he runs damage mods 3 some people don't have 15mil SP to wast on shields and equipment when they want to run a gal heavy ^_^ full respec plz~ First off, damage mods are gonna be useless so putting and extra 72 hp onto a suit is a much better choice and armour tanks can always benefit from more hp, and no one is gonna stick to one suit forever, so the skills in dropsuit upgrades arent needed back. I know the heavy sentinels cant use equipment but the commando can.

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 848	Posted - 2014.03.17 11:24:00 - [1211] - Quote CCP gave us a partial respec. Not a full one like most people wanted, but we got one. Take your pound of flesh and leave them be. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 7	Posted - 2014.03.17 13:58:00 - [1212] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: The game has a small playerbase so CCP should really just toss aside their "developing morales" and just give the respec. Giving a respec makes people happy and able to deal with the game changes that are going to be big next update. No respec is bringing Dust one step closer to failing... but hey! At least you can say "we never gave in!" and stuck with your guns and didn't give the players what they wanted. I am sure the other video game companies will give you a thumps up and say "good job! Who needs a game to actually have a decent amount of people playing it anyways?". Look at the pros and cons but look at something very closely CCP. Will you go against what you want to do in order to help the players stay and give Dust more time? making people happy is what got CCP in this mess in the first place you cant make everyone happy its a fact. i think we should just get a dropsuit command respect its more practical
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 155	Posted - 2014.03.17 14:50:00 - [1213] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: 1, any good logi would have attempted to get all the equipment to lvl 5 anyway. 2, every suit receives the bonuses that the upgrades to pg, cpu, health and movement speed provide. and 3, why are you not going to skill into an armour repair/ plate or shield extension just because your suit tanks one better?. 1 because you don't want to be a logi anymore 2 an armor tank has no need for shield extenders if he runs damage mods 3 some people don't have 15mil SP to wast on shields and equipment when they want to run a gal heavy ^_^ full respec plz~ I am starting to understand why we the consumers are only receiving a partial reimbursement in skill points. If memory serves right, everyone obtained a full reimbursement in Uprising 1.0. So what did people and followers do with all of their points? They re-allocated them into Caldari Logistics (you know the 5H 4L 3E 390CPU and 78PG). That quickly became the god fit EVERYONE wanted to run due to how well it shield tanked and how fast it can regenerate. There were also people complaining about the suit, reason being is because they themselves were not running the fit but 75% wish that they did. CCP nerf it with a vast majority of the users wanting reimbursement of their skill points to which CCP said no. To sum it up, CCP along side with CPM were trying to lessen the chances of there being some FOTM fit. Now some of you players will look at me as if I cussed out the queen of Britain in here face, follow me for a second with this example. Say we did obtained a full reimbursement for infantry only (command, upgrades, and weapons), I have 25 million skill points lifetime along with having BPO's at my disposal (Dragonfly assault, scout, toxin SMG and AR). Playing it smart i could just run that suit for 2 weeks just to see what id popular to use. Next thing you know I found the king fit everyone loves to use and I can spend skill points right into it causing it to become a problem for everyone else who doesn't have as much skill points and such. This applies to anyone with 20+ million skill points with players having more than 30 million. Knowing this ask yourself the following questions: Do you really want the vets to have all of their skill points back in infantry they spend? Would this only help lessen the FOTM usage or make it worse? Are players wanting a reimbursement in their skill points only to run that FOTM fit? Are you yourself wanting to do the above question? Also: Even if he chose not to be a Logistics user anymore, anything he spend into being a logistics user will still benefit him in any other suit of his choosing. Damage mods along with weapon proficiencies are getting hit hard. Weapon proficiency only applies to the weapon's strength against something. Example the AR will now have their proficiency do additional damage according to what the weapon does best in. In other words the proficiencies no longer give a flat bonus to damage for both shield and armor. You will only get one or the other depending on weapon type. Also damage mods will scale as 3/4/5 % instead of the usual 3/5/10 % everyone loves. True but Gallente Heavy tends to armor tank and shields will still help him out overall. Many players tend to overlook the drop suit armor/shield upgrades because they think it doesn't help in the long run. In all reality they do. I tell new players to get both Armor and Shield upgrades to level 5 ASAP (not to be confused with armor plating and shield extenders) since it helps with the suits base EHP. Same applies for core upgrades, electronics, and engineering. With time and proper spending they can hit this pretty soon. So not having 15 million skill points is not the greatest excuse to use (trust me from personal experience). Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
WarMachine88 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:50:00 - [1214] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP gave us a partial respec. Not a full one like most people wanted, but we got one. Take your pound of flesh and leave them be. This why we should get another partial respect for least weapons with the confirmed suits respect. Due to the fact proficiencies being destroyed, I personally will only spec into them for the officer weapons. (Lvl 3)
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 26	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:20:00 - [1215] - Quote WarMachine88 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP gave us a partial respec. Not a full one like most people wanted, but we got one. Take your pound of flesh and leave them be. This why we should get another partial respect for least weapons with the confirmed suits respect. Due to the fact proficiencies being destroyed, I personally will only spec into them for the officer weapons. (Lvl 3) MAN, THEY DON'T GOING TO DO THAT, UNDERSTAND, WE ARE NOTHING TO CCP. Regards :) Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
LOSTDREAMS2580 Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 3	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:52:00 - [1216] - Quote what do we have to grind for if every time ccp changes something for this game everyone cries out for a respec? how does these new balance items/nerfs/classes get to actually balance if everyone is just gonna respec into the next best thing till they get something else from ccp and then cry for another respec... me personally... i have spent enough time spec'n into the stuff and dont feel like doing it again... thats y i made other builds after my heavy... yes i am proto heavy and it affects me a lot having new heavy classes but u know what... everyone is just gonna speck into cloaks... i say let the grind begin... remember we all started the game and spec'd into stuff... we can do it again it gives us stuff to grind for.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 742	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:40:00 - [1217] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP gave us a partial respec. Not a full one like most people wanted, but we got one. Take your pound of flesh and leave them be. The partial respec has to happen though. This is what it would have been: CCP: "There are no refunds in 1.8. We have always stated that respecs/refunds are disruptive to the community as a whole and should be best to be avoided. It also means that SP matters, your choices matter." Player: "I like playing Heavies. I like the big bulky dudes with big bulky guns. I also, no personal reasons, like the Minmatar. Kind of sad that I am stuck with an Amarr Sentinel." CCP: "That was your choice to skill into it though." Player: "Not really. When the choice is 'be an Amarr Heavy or not be a Heavy period', it wasn't a choice. Was I supposed to wait 10 months for the Minmatar Heavy to come out in order to not burn 3 million SP?" That would be a very, very poor way of going about it. It was obvious that a Dropsuit Command respec was going to happen. Not doing it is how you truly alienate your base. Them not doing an Infantry respec is them just not taking our input not the CPM's imput. That is sad but it happened. Stating "we got a respec like we wanted" would be like saying "my house is on fire but now it isn't but it is still a smoldering wreck. That's good because we wanted it to not be on fire anymore."
demens grimwulff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:41:00 - [1218] - Quote Hmmmm... thinking about the fact that CCP made a post similar to this makes me feel sick to my stomach... not because I blame CCP, but because it reinforces my belief that they are completely removed from their game. As discussed with Aeon Amadi, Heinrich, and a couple of times with Kain, my complaints with this game have always been rather simple... it does not seem that the devs have any clue what the players go through (i.e. the game experience, and how to play on a competitive level in this game). Why do I say this in this thread? Well, it is simple... tanks and assault dropships own the field in this game now. I came back after finally giving up on this game to do the 10 games required for this event, but every much I was in, one side had filled their vehicle slots with tanks and an assault dropship. Yet the new patch has yet to mention anything about the balancing of this (tankers now have weekly/monthly KDRs over 150 to 1... where they averaged about 20 before... how the f* is that balanced?)... assault dropsuits are still way more expensive than tanks and the only effective weapon to defend against them is rather rare on the field for many many reasons (I am, of course, talking about Forge Gun). Time to kill among foot soldiers is also crazy, but in some situations, rather reasonable... so drastically decreasing the damage of weapons will mean small gang combat instead of 1v1s or a solo, viable soldier picking off the enemies from behind. The now small gangs are more susceptible to the tank traffic which is going unregulated, as AV is less likely to be pulled out, since the number of guns on each side needs to be high in order to win gun engagements. So then... how do I apply all of that to this thread, which is about a possible respec? Easy.. here is why I feel there should be a full respec of the first the trees (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weapons): 1) Due to the addition of new suits and the massive changes going into all of them, Dropsuit command will be a completely different environment, meaning that the old skill points spent are worthless. The main reason why, is the new addition of 5 suits, as well as changing each logi radically, as well as changing the roles and abilities of each assault makes old choices worthless. 2) Due to the radical changes in the logi suits, the addition of the new scouts, and the changes made to the heavies, Dropsuit Upgrades should be respec'ed. Old choices will no longer apply in the new environment... if you are a Caldari Logi by nature, there might not be a need for Repair Tools; if you were a minmatar logi, what good is maintaining the hacking bonus? If you were once a scout because the idea of playing an Amarr heavy was to much for you, why would you need prototype kin-cats on your Gallente heavy? Amongst other things, I think Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades should always be a hand-and-hand respec, as the requirements of each suit is now completely different than what they were. 3) Since each weapon is getting a damage decrease AND their proficiency changed to reflect each weapons strengths (i.e. Scrambler will have proficiency vs shields, combat/rail/assault rifles will have proficiency vs armor, etc.), the necessity in altering your play style to fit something you didn't INITIALLY sign up for will only affect the way one plays and their ability to enjoy this game. Even small changes like this will drastically alter the usage of weapons and what you'll see on the battlefield... but the discussion should be stopped at the fact that they are altering the way each individual weapon now performs... this is, in no-uncertain terms, a direct qualification for a respect. Stop abusing the foot soldiers and at least through them a bone with some meat on it if you desire for them to continue to eat their dinner from the floor. TL:DR** 1) Dropsuits are being changed across the board and therefore require a Command respec 2) In order to keep the playing ground fair for those shy of massive SP, Dropsuit Upgrades should be respecced to allow tailoring towards the way the new dropsuits will play out 3) Since each weapon has received a massive nerf, as well as a play style change due to the alteration of proficiency, the weapons should be respeced too. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:24:00 - [1219] - Quote We'll all get what we get and like it. I don't really care for a respec. I'm quite happy with my choices. If I want to skill into the new suits or weapons i'll grind and grind til I get them. It doesn't take that long to get advanced level sh** anyway. If you get a respec this time, anytime new stuff comes out the masses will cry for another. (You know what happens when you give a mouse a cookie right?) Endless SP is endless. So there's that... Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1609	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:11:00 - [1220] - Quote This thread is still here. The self entitlement is overflowing. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 285	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:31:00 - [1221] - Quote So are we pacified by the 3 mil sp? (2 w/o booster. But if you didn't show your $upport for this game, even a little, then for shame.) I want to say, "yes." But I still have that feeling that my weapons and upgrade tiers will be gimped. I choose a suit when I stared playing in 1.6 based on the bonus. Now I am going to a suit that has shields, not armor. Also other things have changed. In 1.7 I didn't spec into a different weapon because it was more OP than the old ones, it was just the gun that matched how I play. The 3 mil is nice, but I would rather spend that growing my vehicle tree (main specialization) than readjusting for changed stats. it's a tough feeling to shake. Some of you might not notice a difference and will feel just fine. I am one of the players that would need to spend a lot of SP to get to the same level of play I was at before 1.7 and soon to be 1.8. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
TTK II Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:21:00 - [1222] - Quote Respec is necessary. I have 15 million SP on one toon, and half of that will be rendered kinda useless after update. Why not allow us to pay ISK for a respec whenever we want? Do it like DCUO, where the price increases each time you re-respec during a certain period of time (I think it's a month). Example: It starts at say $100k for initial respec. If you respec again within a 30 day period, it goes up to say $250k, and so on. This way WE can control what we do with OUR SP. Obviously, there would need to be a cap on the number of times you would be able to do this a month. Hell, I'd be happy with the option to only respec once a month & pay ISK for it. Wouldn't this be less of a headache for CCP as well? Instead of a system wide respec, each person could choose to/not to respec right from skills screen, like buying a Skill Book. Just a thought.
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:17:00 - [1223] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: This thread is still here. The self entitlement is overflowing. No kidding. The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of a respec of any kind. Too much could go wrong with everybody getting a full infantry respec and besides I would rather take pride in knowing that I earned the new suits and weapons, rather than getting a full respec and just having it handed to me for nothing. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:36:00 - [1224] - Quote TTK II wrote: Respec is necessary. I have 15 million SP on one toon, and half of that will be rendered kinda useless after update. Why not allow us to pay ISK for a respec whenever we want? Do it like DCUO, where the price increases each time you re-respec during a certain period of time (I think it's a month). Example: It starts at say $100k for initial respec. If you respec again within a 30 day period, it goes up to say $250k, and so on. This way WE can control what we do with OUR SP. Obviously, there would need to be a cap on the number of times you would be able to do this a month. Hell, I'd be happy with the option to only respec once a month & pay ISK for it. Wouldn't this be less of a headache for CCP as well? Instead of a system wide respec, each person could choose to/not to respec right from skills screen, like buying a Skill Book. Just a thought. That's a terrible idea. This game is based on choices you make. You spend all your SP on a build you like and then something else comes along and you want it but you don't have anymore SP, thats just TDB. You made your choice and have to live with it, thats the way CCP designed this game. Letting people respec for ISK would make this game virtually unplayable. Think about it. It would just be FOTMfest for most people. Why would you say that your build will be gimped after the update? Sure there are going to be some drawbacks to the changes that are being implemented, I for one don't agree with taking a grenade away from us, especially when tanks are still OP and now I'm down an AV nade. But this game is supposed to be about roles and racial parity and now CCP is implementing that and I believe we've been spoiled too long with roles overlapping (I.e. logistics basically being assault suits with extra equipment) and damage mods that can be stacked with weapon proficiency maxed out to just run around a map and rack up kills, this is why when they announced that weapons were getting nerfed, damage mods being decreased, and proficiency changed to reflect race and not flat dmg bonus it starts almost all of the community to QQ about it. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 71	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:47:00 - [1225] - Quote Um... Are you guys really making multiple accounts just to make it seem like your biased is sheared by others? Or are you just some lowly scrub who only just now started posting on the forums because you heard that there were unicorns here? *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
demens grimwulff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:30:00 - [1226] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: Um... Are you guys really making multiple accounts just to make it seem like your biased is sheared by others? Or are you just some lowly scrub who only just now started posting on the forums because you heard that there were unicorns here? Who are you...? I think you need a course in forum etiquette as this is not the war room. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Vaux Karn The Mercenary Collective 44	Posted - 2014.03.19 05:04:00 - [1227] - Quote I will chime in one more time to say this...I support respecs for items which did not have racial variants but now do and that is based off the fact that they are giving them for dropsuits. I do not think it is right to say "Here's your SP back for your Amarr heavy, now you can switch to Minmatar like you wanted from day one!" and at the same time say "Oh but you are SOL on the weapons that you invested in when you still didn't have any choice on racial variants." So...again...if they give a respec, it should cover ALL variants released since the last respec OR THERE shouldbe NO respec. I do not think that this is unreasonable, but to say "Give me a respec so that I can change my from logi to heavy because logi's aren't going to be killing machines anymore!" is kinda BS.
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm flame riders 10	Posted - 2014.03.19 05:15:00 - [1228] - Quote We deserve a full respec ccp(well for dropsuit, weapons, and equipment)!Every role for every suit has been changed out of the blue. Some suits now specialize in weapons that I can't skill into because I liked a different weapon , so now I'm stuck with a dilemma, do I get the suit that goes with my weapon, or do I get the suit that I want because of what I can equip on it? This isn't fair for everyone and the issue should be addressed. Even if we don't get the full respec I'll be fine, but others might not. If at first it doesn't work, beat it with a brick.
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.19 05:48:00 - [1229] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: Um... Are you guys really making multiple accounts just to make it seem like your biased is sheared by others? Or are you just some lowly scrub who only just now started posting on the forums because you heard that there were unicorns here? Yes I'm just a scrub that came for the free unicorns, you got me. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 52	Posted - 2014.03.20 09:30:00 - [1230] - Quote I don't want a Full respec. The Dropsuit Command refund is good enough - this is because it's going to be a much broader selection with the new suits, yes I know the weapons are being balanced too but I feel it's fair because of how limited the old suits where (especially heavies), and with ALL (pretty much) weapons being 'changed', there's no need for a full respec I feel. Plus - I can't be bothered to carefully invest 23 Mil SP again, I'd rather just change which heavy suit I'm going to have potentially, and then decide if I still want my logi's and which one, or if I wanna go scout for a change.. I feel there is no need for a full respec, and CCP are being generous in offering us another attempt to change our suit specialisation. I can haz all your Officer Heavy weapons?

Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 133	Posted - 2014.03.20 10:03:00 - [1231] - Quote There is no need for a full respec. However, weaponry should be given back. Not because of nerfs but because the weapon you use will affect the choice of which suit you will most likely use. If i use the gallente assault im not getting a bonus to my rail rifle which will make me not want to use it as much.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:49:00 - [1232] - Quote I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: LOL this thing is still going. I didn't even think there would still be a horse to beat. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:42:00 - [1233] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: LOL this thing is still going. I didn't even think there would still be a horse to beat. Well, lets send this thing off to the glue factory and be done with it. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 80	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:16:00 - [1234] - Quote Weapon respecs plZ
ROMULUS H3X research lab 87	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:18:00 - [1235] - Quote Why is this thread here anymore? FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 590	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:58:00 - [1236] - Quote i dont know why im even putting this in this thread.. its not like a dev is going to sift through 60 pages of players crying for a respec but anyway here goes... in light of all the feed back regarding dropsuit upgrades, command and weapons.. and how changing one thing collapses the whole skill tree..# do you plan on giving us a full infantry respec at 1.8? i.e command, upgrades and weapons. "just a heavy scrub with a rail rifle"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5173	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:38:00 - [1237] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: i dont know why im even putting this in this thread.. its not like a dev is going to sift through 60 pages of players crying for a respec but anyway here goes... in light of all the feed back regarding dropsuit upgrades, command and weapons.. and how changing one thing collapses the whole skill tree..# do you plan on giving us a full infantry respec at 1.8? i.e command, upgrades and weapons. Not likely with all the SP events we've been having. Pitty, I've got things like my scanner (because scouts don't use them, logis do), shotgun (Iffy bout this one) , plasma cannon (as much as I love the thing, but damn you for making me think it was AV), sniper, and other skills I very much regret putting points into. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
RA Drahcir Heaven's-Gate 318	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:58:00 - [1238] - Quote +1 Weapons respec
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 31	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:10:00 - [1239] - Quote Everyone who does not like respecs, state all kinds of reasons why not to do one. Those who want respecs, state all kinds of reason why we need one. But lets face facts: 1) CCP is not harmed by a respec, they will not lose any money because they will keep players and those players will spend AUR on other things and be happy 2) It shows good will towards players both old and new. CCP can state "we know that we keep changing things to make it better and this is our way of thanking you for staying with us and trying out new stuff." 3) Players are not hurt by it, regardless of all those proto's saying otherwise. 4) Benefits are overwhelming: - Players feel good and not abused, - Players get to spec into what they feel they like, - CCP shows the new guys that they care and will help them, - CCP keeps the mid guys who have played and like the game, but are frustrated with all the changes, - CCP keeps the proto guys, why? they will stay because they have invested so much and they are not really hurt, Now we all know that their will be players that will complain no matter what, but they always will so lets not talk about them. Respecs help everyone new, mid and old.
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 32	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:26:00 - [1240] - Quote MANS, STOP WITH THE FU***** RESPEC, THEY DON'T WILL GIVE US ONE, WE ARE OK WITH THE COMMAND RESPECT, AND THEY GIVE YOU 2.000.000 OF SP TO YOU SO YOU CAN BUY WHAT YOU WANT. Stop crying and be happy with that present of CCP. Thanls for that CCP :D Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)

Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 287	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:22:00 - [1241] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. giving us only suit command respecs is a terrible idea. Suits are dictated by equipment not the otherway around, so we will be forced back into our previous suits making the respec irrelevant... JUST.. GIVE .. US .. 1 .. FULL .. RESPEC Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2014.03.22 12:03:00 - [1242] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. giving us only suit command respecs is a terrible idea. Suits are dictated by equipment not the otherway around, so we will be forced back into our previous suits making the respec irrelevant... JUST.. GIVE .. US .. 1 .. FULL .. RESPEC The reasoning (or my understanding) of the suit repec is because of the addition of 8 new suits, 6 of which are heavy frames. Now I don't know if you are a heavy or even played as a heavy at one point, but most of us heavies (Sentinels and Commandos alike) by this point have level 5 proficiency in their suit of their choosing (which honestly was either Armarr Heavy Frame, Amarr Sentinel or Amarr Commando). Now with the addition of the Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar heavy frames we actually have a real choice and most of us would be upset having to grind another couple million SP just to switch suits when we could place it in tertiary skills such as Shield Upgrades, Weapon Optimization, and others which would improve our suits and weapons. I do understand where you are coming from as most suits make it so that certain weapons/equipment would be more effective (the only suits not giving any buffs to weapons being Sentinel) however with this dropsuit respec, we can choose the suit that goes with our weapons. So yes, the weapons will be dictating the suits we will get after the respec and I believe that a full infantry repec (Dropsuit Command, Weaponry, Dropsuit Upgrades) would be the best option as we will be completely free to choose our weapons and loadout. If you don't agree with me, Xaviah, then QQ more. Edit: As for the full repec option, if you think about it, if they do end up giving us an infantry respec then it will be a full respec if you count the previous vehicle respec from 1.7
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1614	Posted - 2014.03.23 08:30:00 - [1243] - Quote Popping back in just to remind everyone that repsecs are not given to us by democratic votes and no amount of begging will make it so. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 229	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:50:00 - [1244] - Quote full respec is asking too much. the fact we even got two (if i remember right) is unprecedented for an EVE title refunding dropsuit command is more than enough. just pick one type of suit to jump into, and use the (likely) remaining sp to compliment it with weapons remember to mess around a bit before committing to anything, dont expect another dropsuit respec ever since everything is on the table now
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:40:00 - [1245] - Quote I mean .... All dust players have been patient so far.... New suits , new weapons , new specs , new gears .... equals full RESPEC !!!! Also , we still cannot sell our useless salvage or useless suits etc like eve players do.... It is something we all asked and yet , CCP does not bother to listen once more.... For paying customer , it is becoming increasingly frustrating to deal with CCP.... They barely take notice of your tickets and give you the run around for any inquiry.... Really , it's not just a full respec they need to do , but fire a few of their PR guys that don't seem to bother to listen to the players.... " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 269	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:43:00 - [1246] - Quote 1.8 is already disaster, why are we still testing? Why if we are still testing is the respec not an obvious consideration.
Blue Waffle1 Amarrican Ground Forces I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:49:00 - [1247] - Quote I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back....
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1880	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:50:00 - [1248] - Quote Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... You should have been refunded for the skill books. Drop it like its hat.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6304	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:52:00 - [1249] - Quote Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

jerrmy12 kahoalii 675	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:54:00 - [1250] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. I got 6 mil yet spent 3 mil, lol, today at keast, btw ccp good job on the cloaks. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12478	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:38:00 - [1251] - Quote GG CCP GG Long live Level R Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 14	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:48:00 - [1252] - Quote LOLZ!!! 1.8 Day 1 FULL RESPEC? Doesn't LOOK full... Now whos gonna ask for a RESPEC??? since they nerfed/PG-CPU & Quantities... ANYONE? as well as Gun-Suit matching skill bonuses... Who still wants a weaps RESPEC???
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 14	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:50:00 - [1253] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: Why is this thread here anymore? for QQ on Day 2
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:55:00 - [1254] - Quote plz allow a core skill readjust i am stuck being an armor tanker in a high slot suit
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 88	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:05:00 - [1255] - Quote Full infantry respecuntil the game is completely balanced! QQQQQQ
sasha reaper Nyain Chan 4	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:19:00 - [1256] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads. Bendtner92 wrote: I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into. Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments. There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it. there is always a way around it if CCP is involved. just take a step back and look at Dust. just look at the state of it.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1632	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:56:00 - [1257] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. Proof that CCP is listening to us and reading this thread. This is not a democracy. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 74	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:23:00 - [1258] - Quote Throwing my hat in with the, "Why aren't you giving a respec to the other >30 things you significantly altered and then the >40 things that have also been affected by the <10 things you did respec" crowd. I mean, how, by what logic, would you even, not? Though I'm OK with waiting for the dust of this patch to settle before all that.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 405	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:57:00 - [1259] - Quote give us 1 last full respec after all hot fixes....you are changing everything too drastically. I wouldnt be surprised if CCP created this entire thread just to guide our threads directly into the trash. Just read the damn thread
Leanna Boghin B.O.D.A.S 35	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:45:00 - [1260] - Quote OK here is why a RESPEC needs to happen. First off Nanohives are now completely useless. you nerfed them so bad there is no point in using them or having the skills for them. You go to a proto nanohive and go to get ammo and you get like a full clip before it pops. Yeah thats so useful -_-. Drop uplinks they are completely useless. Even proto dropuplinks have a positive timer on them which basically is a sick joke if not a glitch so thanks for trolling us CCP on that now it time to give us our sp and isk back on skill for that. Oh dont forget the completely useless rep tools now with their nerfed range. also so many weapons were nerfed to a point that they might as well have removed those weapons from the game completely since they are no longer useful. For instance the duvolle tac rifle. All in all CCP you have royally screwed over so much of the game that your dwindling player base will continue to dwindle unless you either A start listening to us (which wont ever happen) or B give a FULL respec. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 294	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:14:00 - [1261] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: OK here is why a RESPEC needs to happen. First off Nanohives are now completely useless. you nerfed them so bad there is no point in using them or having the skills for them. You go to a proto nanohive and go to get ammo and you get like a full clip before it pops. Yeah thats so useful -_-. Drop uplinks they are completely useless. Even proto dropuplinks have a positive timer on them which basically is a sick joke if not a glitch so thanks for trolling us CCP on that now it time to give us our sp and isk back on skill for that. Oh dont forget the completely useless rep tools now with their nerfed range. also so many weapons were nerfed to a point that they might as well have removed those weapons from the game completely since they are no longer useful. For instance the duvolle tac rifle. All in all CCP you have royally screwed over so much of the game that your dwindling player base will continue to dwindle unless you either A start listening to us (which wont ever happen) or B give a FULL respec. Meh, stuff it. I kinda think things will only change again. So why get a respec? You will only be here again, getting frustrated, when things change again. Let them make the game they want to make, if you stay then try to not take it so seriously. It finally sunk in over here on my end. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Leanna Boghin B.O.D.A.S 38	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:24:00 - [1262] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: way i see it thats the problem they keep changing things but they arent making the game the way they want to not like you believe anyways. They are making the game the way they believe the player base wants based on QQers in the forums that spend more time in the forums than they do actually playing the damn game. Thats the problem i have with CCP and their nerf hammer. So way i see it so long as they plan continue to nerf things within the game based on information from people who dont play the game then they should continue to give full respecs because the REAL players of this seemingly dying game will continue to leave and play other games. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 70	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:23:00 - [1263] - Quote Unsubscribing. This thread needs to die.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 46	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:58:00 - [1264] - Quote So an idea I had was to purchase a respec. For example, 100,000AUR for one section(Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, etc.). By no means should a respec be cheap though. Favoring High Latency Is Sh*t
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 46	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:04:00 - [1265] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: way i see it thats the problem they keep changing things but they arent making the game the way they want to not like you believe anyways. They are making the game the way they believe the player base wants based on QQers in the forums that spend more time in the forums than they do actually playing the damn game. Thats the problem i have with CCP and their nerf hammer. So way i see it so long as they plan continue to nerf things within the game based on information from people who dont play the game then they should continue to give full respecs because the REAL players of this seemingly dying game will continue to leave and play other games. I see no real issue to this update. Sure things were changed, sure suits were added, but in response you got a dropsuit command respec. You threaten that you will leave, but no one from CCP will hold their breathe waiting for you too. Cloaks are a btch, but I've adapted my playstyle to counter them. Logis got screwed but I just have to suck it up and adapt. If CCP were to do a respec for one reason, it would be so that players would burn through ISK that much faster with their better gear. Favoring High Latency Is Sht
S0LOPR1ME 0LDFAITH BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:53:00 - [1266] - Quote New dropsuits with new bonuses for weapons and equipment warrants a FULL respec. Especially when you change said bonuses with update.
iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 20	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:05:00 - [1267] - Quote How were HMGs and FGs not respeced (not to mention the related weaponry requirement). Changes made to Heavy Suits were clearly one of the most substantial of 1.8 (I mean Logis could simply switch to their preferred suit and Assaults could go full Scout). For better or for worse a player ought to have been given the option to COMPLETELY spec out of the Heavy role. No?
ph473 Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:20:00 - [1268] - Quote I'm basically going to just delete my 1yr+ old character probably. over 12 mil SP on him. I've mostly maxed out all assault rifle skills - I can't do jack crap. I jump on a new chr with lvl 1 skills in weapons like rail rifle, combat rifle, laser rifle, mass driver, and I can actually kill enemies. -_-
Psycho Sangers New Vision 4	Posted - 2014.04.06 08:23:00 - [1269] - Quote Its not just the weapons and suits, when CCP offer a respec they should also refund equipment, I had 80 Amar sentinel suits when 1.8 was deployed. I wanted to respec into Minmitar but as I had 80 Amar suits which cost 100 AUR a time, I ended up going Amar.
Psycho Sangers New Vision 5	Posted - 2014.04.06 08:24:00 - [1270] - Quote Being an EVE player as well, they get a respec once a year.

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 851	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:01:00 - [1271] - Quote Psycho Sangers wrote: Its not just the weapons and suits, when CCP offer a respec they should also refund equipment, I had 80 Amar sentinel suits when 1.8 was deployed. I wanted to respec into Minmitar but as I had 80 Amar suits which cost 100 AUR a time, I ended up going Amar. To be completely honest I agree, but considering a market is SOON tm, this may be a moot point soon. LogiGod earns his pips
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 851	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:46:00 - [1272] - Quote Tupni wrote: Throwing my hat in with the, "Why aren't you giving a respec to the other >30 things you significantly altered and then the >40 things that have also been affected by the <10 things you did respec" crowd. I mean, how, by what logic, would you even, not? Though I'm OK with waiting for the dust of this patch to settle before all that. This is very accurate. Even though grinding is encouraged by CCP there are many things that long time players switching classes will not easily be able to fit their suits appropriately. If the player was around in Closed Beta they may have accumulated enough SP to have almost all the appropriate tanking, supporting and DPS skills and assigned them...unfortunately for the CB players, they were reset to 0SP upon the launch of Open Beta. To summarize, Full respec for everyone who wants it should be available, not for aurum, not for a please and thank you, make sp invested into skills an adjustable slider. LogiGod earns his pips
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1651	Posted - 2014.04.08 22:56:00 - [1273] - Quote Psycho Sangers wrote: Being an EVE player as well, they get a respec once a year. Do you even play EVE? You can remap attributes to make you skill faster in certain skills at the cost of skilling slower in others. Once SP goes into a skill you never get it back. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 36	Posted - 2014.04.09 01:41:00 - [1274] - Quote Ahahaha
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 18	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:54:00 - [1275] - Quote i'd like to have 1... jjst to re-consolidate my points into what i use... & reASSIGN my psn purchased items They paint these walls to hide my pen... But the shithouse poet strikes again!!!
Leanna Boghin B.O.D.A.S 39	Posted - 2014.04.26 09:46:00 - [1276] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Tupni wrote: I mean, how, by what logic, would you even, not? Though I'm OK with waiting for the dust of this patch to settle before all that. This is very accurate. Even though grinding is encouraged by CCP there are many things that long time players switching classes will not easily be able to fit their suits appropriately. If the player was around in Closed Beta they may have accumulated enough SP to have almost all the appropriate tanking, supporting and DPS skills and assigned them...unfortunately for the CB players, they were reset to 0SP upon the launch of Open Beta. To summarize, Full respec for everyone who wants it should be available, not for aurum, not for a please and thank you, make sp invested into skills an adjustable slider. I actually love the adjustable slider idea. I think that would solve everyones problems and complaints as well as get rid of the "WE WANT A RESPEC!" crowd (that im currently a member of :P) Its an idea CCP should consider I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P


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