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Spectral Clone wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer.

Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be?

Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job

Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism.

+1

Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk.

Okay, you are not one of the chest thumping HTFU teenagers on this forum. Grats to you sir! If you have a professional career you would be for a respec... whats wrong with you? You like wasting cash on a "concept" or "might be"?

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Ninja Troll R 0 N 1 N 25	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:01:00 - [271] - Quote Dear CCP, Please give us a SP respec. http://imgur.com/lXuMQmG If not, please consider a "level down" or "refund" feature for skills. You could charge AUR or a lot of ISK per level. I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies.
voidfaction Void of Faction 163	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [272] - Quote Full Respec I want my 3rd respec to fine tune my gallente scout for the 3rd time. I already have lvl 5 gallente scout dropsuit armour dropsuit shield precision dampening range electronics assault rifle rail rifle sniper rifle shotgun smg light weapon sidearm weapon weapon upgrades a full respec will allow me to reskill all back to lvl 5 and give me enough SP from my useless skills I have at 1,2,3 and 4 to get lvl 5 in caldari or minmatar scout and lvl 5 cloak.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 845	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [273] - Quote D legendary hero, leave it alone man. The Robot Devil came down on our side for this one instance after a lengthy discussion, let's not pick fights when we all want the same thing from CCP in 1.8. Aikuchi stopped posting, he gave up because he got out-debated, don't provoke him again. We as a player base must be unified if we're going to get CCP to do right thing here.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [274] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off high horse long enough to talk to the common folk "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Xyl5 Raging Pack of Homosapiens 19	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:03:00 - [275] - Quote Respec would be nice.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1633	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:06:00 - [276] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1633	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:17:00 - [277] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: D legendary hero, leave it alone man. The Robot Devil came down on our side for this one instance after a lengthy discussion, let's not pick fights when we all want the same thing from CCP in 1.8. Aikuchi stopped posting, he gave up because he got out-debated, don't provoke him again. We as a player base must be unified if we're going to get CCP to do right thing here. indeed. Its time for justice and unity to reign supreme. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:27:00 - [278] - Quote I understand that a lot of you are hurt by this game and I am sorry that you are so emotionally involved that you rage on the forums. Refunded SP goes against lore and the premise of the game. Refunding SP will not in any way make the game better. Only content will, without things to do and stuff to use then this will keep coming up over and over. I understand that we all think that things will change, so what? Yes, it may make your desired fit not work the way you want or you may have to change your play style. It is called life and life has never been fair and never will be fair. I do think a refund is needed because they are releasing suits that should have been here almost a year ago but I also don't think it is deserved. There are a lot of things that tiericide changed for me in EVE and CCP didn't even blink an eye in the direction of refunding SP. They added a destroyer that I wanted after I skilled into a battlecruiser, no refund. I spent $15 a month on EVE for a year and half plus a couple of plex and they didn't care that I wasted my time on something I didn't want but had to use because there wasn't anything else. I don't care how much time or money anyone has spent in/on this game because it doesn't make you any more important than me. What are all of you repsecers going to say in six months to a year when more gear is release? Are you going to ask for a refund every time? You all have been doing it since the release of the game so why would you stop with 1.8? Seems to be you want a win button. If I were CCP I would tell all of you to get lost because there will be no refunds. Here is my official stance: If they remove a skill then you should get your SP back if not then suck it up. I paid for boosters, I bought merc packs, I spent my time in the Beta giving feedback and testing the game. I have precious little time to play the game that I enjoy. So yeah, HTFU because it is a game and it isn't that big of a deal. If you didn't know these types of changes were going to happen then you didn't read one thing about how CCP works. No repecs, refunds or any other thing that allows win button chasers to have their way. There is and has been plenty of time to save SP, grow up and act like a man. I really do hope that CCP doesn't give a refund on our SP just so I can sit back and laugh at all the tears that will be dropped. I love this community but it is full of whiners and people who don't care about the game, they only care about themselves and their game. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 770	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:38:00 - [279] - Quote To the people saying 'respec will further the FoTM crowd' WHAT IS THE FOTM??? Cal heavy with scr? Nah, throw a flux and a MD round or 2. Gal heavy with RR? Nah, just throw an HMG/Cr user his way. Please. Tell me what this Fotm will be, and i will stand aside and lick your fleshy parts for beating DUST. (A FoTm is a fitting/racial class that CANNOT be beaten, think back to the yellow power ranger.) No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Your choice CCP.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:38:00 - [280] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech. Don't use college examples because they are just as bad as CCP. [A]mong the 2,134 workers surveyed, 47 percent of college graduates did not find a first job that was related to their college major. What's more, 32 percent of college grads said that they had never worked in a field related to their majors. Source [I] would have welcomed such a degree. My undergraduate alma mater, Northwestern University, would not allow me to transfer from their School of Speech (now School of Communication) into their renowned Medill School of Journalism, despite my then near-perfect GPA. Source Should I go on? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 490	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:47:00 - [281] - Quote Dear CCP, This thread is one of the best thing to happen to the forums, thank you. Thank you for containing the begging and whining into a manageable area!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1961	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:53:00 - [282] - Quote Refund every skill except corp and vehicle/turret skills because changes to drop suit role bonuses affects every module, equipment, and weapon. I specced armor and shield regs BC I had a Caldari logi. Now I don't have a passive rep or reg bonus. I should've used it on something else that the callogi will increase the efficacy of. I bought a Ferrari and it is now a Ranger. I did not buy a Ferrari and break the transmission. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:54:00 - [283] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. Oh yeah, name one thing every that doesn't have money involved. Everything every person does has money involved be it actual money spent or in the form of time. I charge at least $25/hr and $100 just to show up, by that reasoning CCP owes me a paycheck for playing in the beta and working for them to test the game. People pay money for games, I bought Skyrim for my ps3 and it was so borked up I couldn't even play it for more than an hour or two. I deserve a new game or money, GTA5 was junk and I played it for a few hours, I deserve compensation. Just because money was spent doesn't mean that you get what you wanted or what you thought you were getting because things change. If people had looked into how CCP works then they would have know what to expect. Ignorance is expensive and time consuming. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 110	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:54:00 - [284] - Quote I request that once CCP decides whether to give or not give respecs, could we also get confirmation for future respecs so that this whole bloody argument can be avoided in the future? IE: "You are, or are not getting respecs now, but whine about it later down the line and we'll give them again/don't whine about it it in the future cuz you're not getting any more" Something like that would solve the future respec whining issue. And for those of you who don't remember, two weeks after the May 14th going live respec of dust 514 (ie: the respec all players were given once dust stopped being beta and went live) people were already clammering for another respec since they effed up their skills. It has happend in the past, and if not resolved NOW, WILL happen in the future.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:55:00 - [285] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I request that once CCP decides whether to give or not give respecs, could we also get confirmation for future respecs so that this whole bloody argument can be avoided in the future? IE: "You are, or are not getting respecs now, but whine about it later down the line and we'll give them again/don't whine about it it in the future cuz you're not getting any more" Something like that would solve the future respec whining issue. And for those of you who don't remember, two weeks after the May 14th going live respec of dust 514 (ie: the respec all players were given once dust stopped being beta and went live) people were already clammering for another respec since they effed up their skills. It has happend in the past, and if not resolved now, WILL happen in the future. yup "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2729	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:05:00 - [286] - Quote refund everything except Flaylock skills. everyone knew it was FoTM and specced anyway.. make them live with it Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:09:00 - [287] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: refund everything except Flaylock skills. everyone knew it was FoTM and specced anyway.. make them live with it I just skilled into Flaylocks the other day. They are kind of fun but hard to use. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Chief Pacabowl Stoned Avengers Rim Worlds Protectorate 14	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:28:00 - [288] - Quote This thread is hilarious. Got to skip my episode of and idiot abroad because of it. Made me so happy. Tons of laughs. Remember happiness is like cake.... Commander in Chiefing of the Stoned Avengers. Murica -_- F*ck yeah no longer....
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1285	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:29:00 - [289] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. Okay, you are not one of the chest thumping HTFU teenagers on this forum. Grats to you sir! If you have a professional career you would be for a respec... whats wrong with you? You like wasting cash on a "concept" or "might be"? Drop it like its hat.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:35:00 - [290] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 Yeah because my degree in electronics isn't enough, I have had two or three jobs my entire life, I have two jobs right now. Some of you people are so well informed I am amazed that you even play a game like this. Thanks for coming off your high horse long enough to talk to the common folk. Okay, you are not one of the chest thumping HTFU teenagers on this forum. Grats to you sir! If you have a professional career you would be for a respec... whats wrong with you? You like wasting cash on a "concept" or "might be"? I don't consider it a waste. I have had fun with the cash I spent. No different than going to a movie. Popcorn and drinks go in one thing and come out another, things change. I am no more concerned about what I spent on this game than I am about what I spent on Uncharted 3. That game was not as good as U2 and the multiplayer sucked on U3, I even bought the map packs -which were a waste- and I still don't really care because money is supposed to be spent on things you like or think you will like. They all can't be perfectly suited to my needs or wants. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:50:00 - [291] - Quote Only Heavy/Light Dropsuits and Sidearms, nothing else. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:52:00 - [292] - Quote Galthur wrote: Only Heavy/Light Dropsuits and Sidearms, nothing else. I would vote for all dropsuit SP to be refunded only if ALL racial suits are going to be released. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:11:00 - [293] - Quote Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 849	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:14:00 - [294] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:17:00 - [295] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. I just broke 16M and it isn't that bad. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 850	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:19:00 - [296] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Just saying,, since they talked about changing the dropsuit specs, I have saved up 4m sp. I hope you all without self controll get rewarded. I will be opening all my AUR / Contact Refund petition the moment a respect is confirmed cause being stuck with 300 of them damn things is just stupid. I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. I just broke 16M and it isn't that bad. True, it's really not bad once you're above 10 mil, but my point stands.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 154	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:33:00 - [297] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD I'm just gonna go ahead and take that as a compliment You take it right, it was a compliment. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3068	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:09:00 - [298] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Refund every skill except corp and vehicle/turret skills because changes to drop suit role bonuses affects every module, equipment, and weapon. I specced armor and shield regs BC I had a Caldari logi. Now I don't have a passive rep or reg bonus. I should've used it on something else that the callogi will increase the efficacy of. I bought a Ferrari and it is now a Ranger. I did not buy a Ferrari and break the transmission. I imagine you going into your garage, seeing a Ranger and being all "WTF. CCP what the hell have you done to my Ride!" Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 764	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:24:00 - [299] - Quote Reapec, please. I specced into AR's because there was no Caldari variant, same as Mini Scout. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 27	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:33:00 - [300] - Quote The only people who do not want a respec are the ones with enough SP in reserve to go proto in the new suits and weapons, which represents about 3% of the entire community. There are many who have thought out their choices in suits and weapons just to have them change or become obsolete. With the new bonuses and changes to equipment, changes to everything really, there needs to be a full respec of , well, everything. Again the only people who do not want a respec are those with massive amounts of SP. I do not see any players returning if they are skilled into a suit and weapon and equipment that does not mesh well together. After reading the majority of the forum posts, had I not already been playing, I would not want to come and play this game. I already am playing less and less on all my accounts due to nothing being delivered and this SoonTM becoming a serious offence to me.



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