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major faux-pas
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:22:00 -
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essentially we're still on beta, so i think the only sensible way forward is to liquidate sp for the full compliment of suits or be stuck in a skewed eve universe e.g. where all heavies are amarr experts ... no respec makes no sense.
i think most who prefer no respec were just quite lucky ( or wise) in their original sp choices and are afraid they will loose some advantage. this has no place in the debate. me? im in the middle - happy with most of my investments, but after a suit shuffle, a respec is the only fair and rational way forwards. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it.
ha! doesnt matter what you think either for that matter but you still seem to feel the need to post it.
you knew what i meant - game isnt complete, call it what they tell you but you cant deny what it is. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:26:00 -
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low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:14:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:major faux-pas wrote:low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? There are, in fact, a few polls on the matter. I've mentioned two of them here. In short: Respec for 1.8 is popular. Respecs as an AUR feature are not. Being popular or not has no bearing on whether or not they're a good idea for the game overall, mind you. Those two are entirely seperate concepts and CCP is well adviced not to confuse them when making their decision.
so contrary to what is suggested above, from the poll it seems most want a full respec (ok, 'demand' is open to interpretation) while i agree not all should be decided upon popularity, pissing people off, is, generally speaking, not a good idea. i also have yet to see a succinct set of reasons why a respec is a bad idea. if the aim is to sync with eve, why have an sp imbalance for unbalanced skills based on what was available pre 1.8? Jin, while i do see the fun in pissing people off with aurum respecs... i think i might be one of them... while i can laugh at the rich boys buying aurum tanks, dealing with a mass shifting with flavour-of-the month weapons may get wearing. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.05 08:14:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8.
Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side.
Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice.
Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets.
Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter.
hi tallen,
ok, i think the same about some of the threats etc. and i think only a few will switch off. im not personally convinced a *full* respec is entirely necessary (though some HAVE justified it). HOWeVEr i still only see one half of a reason you give above as to why a full respec should NOT be given. the first part about everyone thinking theyll get one with every change is not really justified because 1) this is a BIG change (arguably the one to take dust out of 'beta') .... ok there is only a number 1 here.
more importantly, i'd say do not fear a respec culture, it is just a consequence of developing this game into something close to what it proclaims to be, while having gone 'live'. little tweaks will never call for respecs as is happening now.
the reason you gave was to do with supply and demand. if we look at this: actually, there was previously no demand for the amar scout etc., and every heavy is now highly skilled in amar dropsuits. what does this mean? it means this precious (if indeed it is precious) balance of supply and demand will be completely skewed from the start IF there is NO respec. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.05 08:34:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:
The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month.
CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible
well said.... and I'd support one last full respec as the rest of the dropsuits come online. CCP have our email addresses, they could petition us for a vote, if we vote in support then their 'get out of jail' card will be granted: 'the community voted for no more respecs past 1.8' |
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