I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of?

But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill.


Yeah, because surely noone will requestdemand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now.


With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to.

This week was the third time I have ever hit the cap, I am about as casual as it gets. I don't have time to play and I haven't paid money in about a year. It is not about leet vets not wanting people to have good suits. You are correct in that the problem is content. Yes, I am against refunds but if the all the racial suits are released at one time then I do think now is a good time to refund dropsuit SP. I believe in rewarding players with time spent in game and those players should have an advantage over someone who has been here two weeks.

It is not leet mentality, it is a reward for playing. The problem is content, we don't have enough and CCP needs to get the core line up of suits worked out so that they can say no more respecs.

Respec is not deemed necessary because:

1. Almost all incoming changes to current assets are enhancements, RR and CR tweaks were expected
2. Work on Infantry AV vs vehicles is not declared finished
3. Changes to Logi suits were expected, it's not supposed to be a slayer suit
4. We had anticipation of new content coming for 1.8, for that I saved up at least 3.5 million SP
5. Skill tree is remaining mostly intact (unlike 1.7)

Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion.
Why?!

BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP

CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?!
You have here really big responce by YOUR COMMUNITY.
Honestly that "discussion" (how dev boyo named it) is aprox twenty pages long monolog, how COMMUNITY want RESPEC, nothing else.

it's being discussed, and that's why this thread is here.

more than likely we'll get dropsuit skills back, and perhaps dropsuit upgrade skills? maybe just the equipment skills?

Those against a respec are patently insane. They have no valid argument against one.

I've made the argument in favor of a respec multiple times.

There's a difference between balance changes and what's going on in 1.8. I direct you to my post on page 1:

I see your point. In your situation I too might argue for a respec. The vast majority of the players wanting a respec, however, have no better claim than "because I want it" (whatever they say), and since I doubt it'd be possible for CCP to give out individual respecs I'll maintain my position that there shouldn't be any.

I'd be fine with the 'no moar respecz' people getting their way, IF there weren't so many damn sweeping changes this patch.

Say, 3-4 months from now, when they add pilot suits, that's not respec worthy.
Say, 4-5 years from now, when racial tanks come in, your only re-allocation would be in turrets and (maybe) upgrades(say going from caldari to minmatar, you would need nitrous instead of damage mods)

Those wouldn't need full respecs, because you're not getting changes to any and all existing equipment.

However 1.8 IS bringing super game changing, racially aligned changes.

You CANNOT run Gek+ cal assault anymore.
You CANNOT run a Laser rifle galScout anymore.
You CANNOT run Minlogi with dampeners/uplinks/code breakers anymore
Respec.

Edit: imagine if in EvE they made Rails and Blasters not use the same skill.
Imagine if you could no longer viably run a Caldari battleship with blasters, or a gallente cruiser with rails.
Would this NOT deem a refund in SP?

Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion.
After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs.
And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one).

Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion.
After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs.
And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one).

Pretty sure the purpose of this thread was to get rid of all the spam in general discussion. It's possible someone at CCP reads it eventually, though I wouldn't count on it. ;)

I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP......

CCP or anyone in my corp can confirm I have no points in any proto suits or major vehicle skills.

My 6m SP alt does have a proto suit but I hardly use him unless I want to have a good time with laser rifles. When I play him he doe rack up a good 2,000 plus warpoints so skillpoints aren't everything.

My .02 ISK:

Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing.
Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded.

My .02 ISK:

Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing.
Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded.

It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy.

You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it.
Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that.

Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits.

tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community.

Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish.

Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter?

You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it.
Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that.

Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits.

tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community.

Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish.

Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter?