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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:17:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Komodo Jones wrote:why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy? But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill. Komodo Jones wrote:And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal Yeah, because surely noone will requestdemand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now. Komodo Jones wrote:some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that? With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to.
The proposed changes in 1.8 are going to completely change infantry roles, changed bonuses on existing suits, new suits, complete overhaul of weapon stats with nerfs and buffs, changes in equipment efficiency making them weaker when not used on a particular racial suit .. etc etc etc
This isn't 1 new weapon and a few bug fixes its a complete change in playstyles for infantry
Poeple have spent time and money into developing their playstyle and for it then to be completely changed means that all of those decisions you made in the past are now worthless ..
Honestly if there isn't a dropsuit command,upgrades and weaponry respec in 1.8 theres going to be a huge amount of unhappy players and an exodus of those aforementioned players
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:31:00 -
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Yes to a Respec of Infantry Dropsuit Command/Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.22 20:04:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-Śre looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a ****** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion. My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing.
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.22 20:33:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Rinzler XVIII wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:snip I completely agree with you Robot, but the game was released too early and has too little content for this to be true IMO. If you didnt have any choices but one, how can you "live with your choices"? Im gonna compare this whole debate with buying a high end cell phone, it might not be exactly what you want in 3 years time (you-Śre looking for that extremely cool new cell phone with all those cool features). The difference between this example and Dust 514 SP is that the developers of the cell phone did not go in and downgrade your screen from 5" to 2", 64x48 pixel resolution instead of 720p and at the same time switching out the Cortex based microcontroller with a ****** 8 bit PIC MCU. You, who work with electronics, should understand this example clearly. Myself, I have a MSc Eng in ICT with specialization towards digital signal processing. I work with underground navigation systems. If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year. Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair. I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion. My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing. Reported For Trolling He's playing the role of devil's advocate, and playing it well. It's useful- he's helped refine the arguments as to why a respec is warranted. If CCP just saw a bunch of blathering on here, it likely wouldn't sway their opinion. But if CCP sees their internal arguments against one advanced by a forum member and then responded to in a logical, reasonable way, we may actually get what we want and deserve. Unwad thy panties.
Sigh .... Something about countless posts dealing with every single possible counter to a respec dealt with in a logical and reasonable manner
Sigh .... Something about CPMs
Sigh .... Something about needing actual anti respec people with actual issues with a respec to mention them so we can discuss them rather than speaking to a troll making troll arguments to illicit emotional responses
Sigh .... Something about Ending with a troll comment isn't the best way to illicit a tangible response from another person
There's so much wrong with your post that I don't know where to begin ... you know what ... it's a saturday and I simply can't be bothered talking to you, use the points above and fill in the gaps yourself
Walks to the kitchen to grab a beer
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:35:00 -
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Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7.
1.8 may well become the time I set the user free never to return to the digital realm of New Eden .. |
Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:36:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market.
Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter.
Vets go FoTM anyway
No 1.8 respec just allows the vets to monopolise and dominate even further .. the people it hurts the most are intermediate players with 5-16m SP |
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