lol, it's going to happen.

I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day.

I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day.

Its not a whining, they told its full release with all that POMPOUS celebration and now they have BACKSLASH for their faults. Its easy if its beta, name it beta. If its a full release, they should give COMMUNITY a chance to RESPEc after their IMPLEMENTS or CHANGES. Its only logical way, COMMUNITY needs equal GAME needs. Without US like community, there is no GAME.

Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes.
Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used?
We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change.

FOTM will happen no matter what. It is inevitable. So what does it matter.

There's a difference between balance changes, for which I would not expect a respec, and complete infantry overhauls. If, for example, they were simply removing logis' intrinsic reps, I would not expect a respec at all.
However, 1.8 is going to kill my current playstyle and stick me with a suit meant to perform literally the opposite role. I was an uplink-dropping speed hacker with great mobility, a sort of scout-logi hybrid. In 1.8 I'm going to be the designated suit to sit behind a heavy with a rep tool. There was no possible way for me to predict or expect such an incredibly drastic change, and it's crap for you to tell me to "expect it".

Such a colossal change to the functions of skills is no less major than a rework of the skill tree structure, as happened with vehicles in 1.7.

The point of a persistent, permanent skill system is for your earlier choices to matter as you work towards your eventual goal. The changes in 1.8 will effectively make a large portion of my SP no longer relevant to the goal I've been working towards for more than 6 months. I should receive a refund because SP isn't meant for things that you use for a bit, then abandon- it's about making permanent choices about character development, choices which are made invalid when roles get outright swapped during subsequent patches.

its not "inevitable" its just down to poor game machanics and balancing on CCPs part... yes CCP the whole ****-ing company is to blame as none of them came up with the idea to pay DICE to make this game,

I reiterate, we wanted doughnuts and they're giving us bagels.

We chose everything that we chose because of how we play.

To change these things without some sort of compensation is simply unfair.

End of arguement.

That's why instead of speccing into a bunch of suits or a bunch of weapons I specced into core skills. Gear changes only affect a small portion of my total SP and anything new only takes about a month or two worth of grinding to be another top notch suit. I've started saving since they announced the new suits in January and I have over 5 mil SP. Can no one else do that? My **** got changed, it'll still work, I've still used it, why should I be entitled to reallocate all my infantry SP because they are changing the bonuses? The bonuses aren't why the Gal and Cal Logi have been the go to suits for try hards, it's the slot layout and base stats, these changes barely even touch that.

It's not about how big the change is, it's about the fundamental fact that they don't give respecs unless they have to, and that means skill tree reworks. These changes have all happened, added content, changed bonuses, changed slot layouts, and those didn't warrant respecs. Don't get me wrong though I understand why people want them and people aren't necessarily trying to jump onto FOTM, and a respec wouldn't be totally unwelcome by me, if it were the last, but this forum culture of "respecs should be a regular mechanic" and the reasoning behind it go against the way New Eden works. I mean FFS EVE characters can't respec at all, and they have to pay for every damn account. People here can create a dozen PSNs to make characters to spec into what they see fit or have backups in case, heavens forbid, CCP changes something.

You can't put cream cheese on a donut, they are two totally different things, and no bonus changes a suit so much that it's totally different. Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU.

Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU.*

There is no cons, how you can put decission of CCP put in cons. Their Fault are their faults and fais. That not about RESPEC. RESPEC itself is help in big implements and changes to game. If they make bad decission and players ergo COMMUNITY are damaged by it, there should be ..wait there MAY be a chance to overcome that by respec. COMMUNITY cant be PUSHED to something what wasnt their IDEA. Thats pure nonsence. BTW dividing playerbase only on Vets and Noobs is not good at all, thats frst thing. Second one FOTM is again a CCPs fault (they made issue in balacings not the players). Suits will have different Impact with new implements, what is another reason VOTING for RESPEC. And finally.

ONLY IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY IS AGAINST RESPEC

*EDIT.-
not to get your panties in a bunch, thou. am just guessing that tallen is only here to collect the tears I mean cuz damn man you be hatin real hard on this SP refund thingamajig

I have no tears, only the blinding and all-consuming fire of internet rage.

Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?"

CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here.

#9Posted: 2013.07.28 18:26 20 million ISK says that won't happen.

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If there is no respec given to infantry when Vehicle users got one, it will be another slap in our faces and i would then let my wallet do the talking by quitting Dust and cancelling my 4 Eve Accounts and ill just go back to APB Reloaded or Titanfall on PC, at least there i got proper controls and framerates.

I am pretty sure i wont be the only one to put and end to their accounts, ive been Pro Dust for an entire year and gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that you guys could deliver, this hasn't happened yet, for me 1.8 will be either making it or breaking it as 1.7 with the Nascar Tanks @ Walmart prices didnt exactly inspire me with much confidence that you guys are on the ball right now, letting them run wild for 2 months didnt excatly win you any more points either.

So 1.8 will be either sweet and ill tollerate everything that is bad about dust for now or its gonna be f*ck this ****, i am out of here...

So 1.8 will be either sweet and ill tollerate everything that is bad about dust for now or its gonna be f*ck this ****, i am out of here...