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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

I guess I'll throw in my two cents.

I've said it a million times already. People say adapt. Well unless updates keep up their current pace of 3 months, which isn't necessarily a good thing (As I could see future updates being hey we spent 3 months to buff and nerf a couple of stuff.) Players can't logically adapt unless they do what CCP said could take 7 years and accumulate sp. So here's my anecdote:

>Rolled Minmitar Assault
>Armor got buffed
>TTK dropped
>Shields got Nerfed (Well counterbalance it with shield regulators in your low sl... oh...)
>unconfirmed weapon mods getting nerfed and losing sidearm bonus for MD/flaylock (lol) bonus

Minmitar Assault was never the FOTM. Giving vehicles a respec so they can roll us with tanks that you clearly didn't play test before going live and then actually debating an infantry respec... what the hell?

Why you no like successful games CCP?

Why you no want to have a game other than Eve not flop?

Why you like to flog your fans with deal with it attitudes until they say no and leave!?

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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 5051	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:43:00 - [1] - Quote Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2100	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Basically confirmed. No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1711	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:47:00 - [3] - Quote I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads. Bendtner92 wrote: I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into. Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments. There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2209	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:53:00 - [4] - Quote Do it right CCP, don't screw over your dwindling player base that has stuck with you through all of the issues so far. Refund everything not related to vehicle, every tree and ability you did not refund when you gave vehicle drivers the refund in 1.whatever. You might actually see people start returning if you give back the SP people spent on things that have been changing drastically over the last 8-12 months.
Marc Rime 246	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:57:00 - [5] - Quote If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in. Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;).
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 222	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. We are in a unique situation now though, with the release of the new heavy and scout suits. In the future, if a new dropsuit is announced, we'd likely get all racial variants at once.
Tweaksz Crimson Saints 4	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry or no deal. Lest you feel the wrath of our thread arrows. Raptor Squad
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6868	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [8] - Quote CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2605	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote Dropsuit command/weapons and dropsuit upgrades all respec Why? Because the skills for the suits now effect equipment and weapons So you are a Cal logi with uplinks now, but after changes you should use nanohives with it or skill into amarr logi instead Or you are a amarr assault with the RR, after changes you need the laser weapons or the cal assault Your choices mean nothing because you cannot make a choice when everything changes Intelligence is OP
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2341	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [10] - Quote I'd say, Heavy Suits, Light Suits, Sidearms with Maybes to equipment every thing else is QQ and appeasement down a slippery slope. Listen I'll change the song every week

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 758	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:03:00 - [11] - Quote Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary: I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices has changed drastically. That warrants a respec.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6868	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:06:00 - [12] - Quote Surf's up, dudes! /dives in with surf board Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2341	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:06:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: CCP, you just opened a can of grade-A worms here. Yep... Appeasement... nothing less than Grade-A variety. Listen I'll change the song every week
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 333	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote I would post my replies from other respec threads here but the topics were subjugated out of existence. Basically what it boils down to is, we were promised racial heavies forever ago. During the time between said promising and when 1.8 drops, we heavies have been forced to put SP into Amarr heavies if we wanted to play as heavies. For some of us, all we do is heavy, so the choice was "Amarr" or "don't play Dust at all". Since I wanted to play Dust, I went with Amarr. However, if I can't pick the suit I've wanted since I started when 1.8 drops, I will be picking "don't play Dust at all". I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. CCP, do you think you can afford to alienate the playerbase any further? Do you want more than 1/2 the heavies to leave when you're finally giving us what we've been waiting years for?
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [15] - Quote We demand more bloodshed, our respec must be swift and merciless. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 147	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [16] - Quote Respec is right and only way to progress and for players. Its Easy if CCP implement something new (new implements, patches or techniques what making things different), we like players should have a chance to react anyway we need. Thats mean if CCP ruin something to player A, palyer A should have chance to put his spent point somewhere else. Changes were decision of CCP not ours, thats mean we should have chance to improve something else if things dont works for us anymore. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2215	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [17] - Quote I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400? CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 8	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [18] - Quote FOTM will always happen, regardless of respecs. 1.7 gave people that were heavy on vehicles the choice to stay in them, or switch to all inf. plus heavies have been stuck with 1 suits for (by the time of 1.8) 10 months, when in theory, 75% of them would of taken a different one if given the choice. scouts have a similar argument.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:09:00 - [19] - Quote I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I've said it a million times already. People say adapt. Well unless updates keep up their current pace of 3 months, which isn't necessarily a good thing (As I could see future updates being hey we spent 3 months to buff and nerf a couple of stuff.) Players can't logically adapt unless they do what CCP said could take 7 years and accumulate sp. So here's my anecdote: >Rolled Minmitar Assault >Armor got buffed >TTK dropped >Shields got Nerfed (Well counterbalance it with shield regulators in your low sl... oh...) >unconfirmed weapon mods getting nerfed and losing sidearm bonus for MD/flaylock (lol) bonus Minmitar Assault was never the FOTM. Giving vehicles a respec so they can roll us with tanks that you clearly didn't play test before going live and then actually debating an infantry respec... what the hell? Why you no like successful games CCP? Why you no want to have a game other than Eve not flop? Why you like to flog your fans with deal with it attitudes until they say no and leave!?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1173	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:09:00 - [20] - Quote Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some?

Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:10:00 - [21] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I've said it a million times already. People say adapt. Well unless updates keep up their current pace of 3 months, which isn't necessarily a good thing (As I could see future updates being hey we spent 3 months to buff and nerf a couple of stuff.) Players can't logically adapt unless they do what CCP said could take 7 years and accumulate sp. So here's my anecdote: >Rolled Minmitar Assault >Armor got buffed >TTK dropped >Shields got Nerfed (Well counterbalance it with shield regulators in your low sl... oh...) >unconfirmed weapon mods getting nerfed and losing sidearm bonus for MD/flaylock (lol) bonus Minmitar Assault was never the FOTM. Giving vehicles a respec so they can roll us with tanks that you clearly didn't play test before going live and then actually debating an infantry respec... what the hell? Why you no like successful games CCP? Why you no want to have a game other than Eve not flop? Why you like to flog your fans with deal with it attitudes until they say no and leave!? Yes, let the anger consume you! Together, you and I will rule this thread, and exterminate all logical arguments, leaving only bloodlust and honor killings in the name of the glorious lord Fogwoggle! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6869	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:11:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? Just the tinfoil hat, please. Boat shaped. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Asterion Cretos DUST University Ivy League 223	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome. On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved. I would rather die my way than live by yours.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10971	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [24] - Quote It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 - [25] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? No my son, let your eyes adjust to the darkness! Together, we shall usher force the age of respec, enforced with bloodshed and purging of the weak! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:13:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec. Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out. That's no way to cause a violent forum uprising! Unleash the Fogwoggler
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 760	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:13:00 - [27] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome. On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 764	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:17:00 - [28] - Quote In the future, we might have the Scout's role changed from 'cloaky assassin' to 'uplink and scanner runner' That's nowhere near as drastic compared to the 'min logi is going from scouty logi to heavy hugger, scouts are now cloaky rather than profile dampened, commandos are now tied to racial weaponry, assaults are also tied to racials' Pre 1.8, we can run Galassaults with Scramblers because there wasn't any direct 'bonus' to the usage of hybrids. min assaults could run scrambler pistols and Smg's because before there wasn't a bonus to the usage of 'racial weaponry' Pre 1.8 a caldari/minmatar/gallente loyalists HAS to run Amarr heavy, and an Amarr heavy has to either run Scrambler, or minmatar HMG. Things as simple as a SINGLE, SIMPLE role change, do NOT deserve refund/respec, however, we've changed EVERY role in the game, making this necessary. 'In eve we don't give respecs' true, but 'in Eve' we didn't start the game with a minmatar logistics ship, gallente scout frigate, amarr battlecruiser, and a caldari Assault frigate. 'In eve' we don't change the entire game and their role's bonuses every half year. 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:18:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. what? thats rediculous. ofc there will be a respec there are lots of changes and add ons lol I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:21:00 - [30] - Quote Looks like Logibro has banished us to the lower depths of the forums, watch out for crazed murderous repairmen stalking the black halls. It's spooky down here, but our faith in the almighty respec will persevere! Unleash the Fogwoggler



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