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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:41:00 -
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Asterion Cretos wrote:Joel II X wrote:Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some? You're welcome.  On topic. I honestly don't see why we have to fight for this. A Dropsuit Command respec should have been an obvious "yes" given the changes involved.
What, a retuning of bonuses, slots, CPU and pg? That's some entitlement speaking if you think it's anything close to 'we are temporarily removing all minmatar dropsuits you might have them back one day soon(tm)" or "we are reworking how dropsuits and their modules are being unlocked so that most suits and modules are unlocked by a single skill".
What looks to be happening aside from tweaking of numbers and bonuses is straight additions to trees. If you used your suit properly you'll generally be rewarded, if you didn't you get a slap on the wrist, otherwise the suits function more or less the same.
That said I would be in favor of seeing heavy and light suit trees refunded, which I feel is fair - youve had a long time to make your choices with medium suits while there hasn't been any choices for heavies and minimal choices for lights. |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:As stated in numerous threads
Respec on the drop suit command YES
Respec on the equipment YES
Respec on weapons NO
Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it?
You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here.
From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster. |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.02.17 20:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:As stated in numerous threads
Respec on the drop suit command YES
Respec on the equipment YES
Respec on weapons NO
Oh and if tankers got respec wy should not infantry get it?
You have to refund weapons because now suit bonuses will be tied to specific types of weapons, and any heavy who wishes to no longer be a heavy must have those weapons refunded. This game does not have a deep intricate metagame. What it does have is a small playerbase with very few loyal vets left, and plenty of new players who just set the game down thanks to the few vets left who crush them repeatedly thanks to flawed matchmaking which is made worse by said small playerbase. You can roleplay whatever you want, this is simple business here. From a marketing perspective it's better to lose one bitter vet to draw 5 new players than it is to give one bitter vet a respec so he can abuse the newest fotm and chase away five new players. The vet has made his investment and its harder to keep him happy and retain him than it is to draw new players and get them excited about 400k more sp for an omega booster. That same vet is going to stomp the crap out of those same noobs no matter if he has to stick with his currently maxed out build or a new one. What that vet leaving DOES do is make one less person who could be around to help out those new players, showing them the ropes, giving them tips and a reason to aspire to max out their builds. It also doesn't help when former players begin to talk down about the game, giving even more bad reviews, and further pushing new players from even downloading the game in the first place.
Debateable, a lot of vets live in ivory towers if some of them leave the game is prettymuch automatically in a better state because there's less people around to kick the crap out of noobs, and a large part of the fun of these games is discovery. Not many vets (especially the bitter vets were discussing) are helpful people.
World of Warcraft went through the same pains when they 'changed things' and sacked most of their bitter vets for huge accessibility to new people and casual players. |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too.
Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. |
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:48:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.
Yes they did need to refund the skillpoints because of the fact that they more or less deleted skills and rolled them into a different bunch. They are not deleting infantry skills, or obsoleting them, you are simply getting more dropsuits.
I don't think you understand what the word mandatory means and are just ranting with inanities like "they should have taken 4-7m skillpoints away from tanks". This is no longer an intelligent debate it is merely you whining and insinuating that the rest of the player base should have been harmed over a perceived slight, you are refusing to concede any points that don't support your views and are deliberately avoiding answering things that would force you to make any concessions or admit that you might be in any way wrong or making deliberate fallacies. |
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