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Joseph Ridgeson
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:09:00 -
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Any more discussion at this point has no reason, at least in regards to it's ability to affect the outcome. I haven't heard of an argument for or against that was new or different than all the others. Arguments basically come out like this:
In Favor: "The choice I made with my character were either not be a Heavy or be an Amarr Heavy. A refund would actually give me a choice like the Assault and Logistics players have had for 10 months", "Not doing is an insult to the players considering full racial parity should have been in the game nearly a year ago", and "Vehicle users got to reassign their points when there was an upheaval; we believe the addition of 8 dropsuits when there were only 12 before to be a major upheaval."
Dissenting: "People should accept where they put in their SP even if it wasn't ideal", "There has been enough time to save SP to skill into the new stuff", or "this is a slippery slope; based of this, a respec would be demanded when new content comes out."
CCP knows that the community is highly in favor of a Refund/Respec and the CPM are apparently in favor of it to. I am sure that they know all the arguments we have come up with on whatever side of the aisle we sit. It is a complex issue that goes into how CCP can react to a less than ideal situation where everyone is being vocal. It is nice that CCP hasn't just made a blanket statement in the regards of "we said no more respecs out of beta unless it was necessary because of removal and jumbling of skills" because this was a situation created by not having the content the game should have had on release.
I can certainly understand the anxiety everyone is feeling. I really want to see what comes of this whole ordeal and get a full on look at 1.8. |
Joseph Ridgeson
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:31:00 -
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Disappointed to not see additional refunds, especially with the link between weapons and many suits now. I can understand CCP not wanting people to do the "I am going Caldari Heavy from my Gallente Logistics because of the respec." The respec should be about letting people that couldn't be X or Y Heavy/Light Suits being able to change into that suit. However, there is a problem with the people that have five million SP or so.
They may have wanted to go Minmatar Commando but couldn't so they are using an Amarr Commando. The are also using an Assault Rifle because it is what they liked. With the Dropsuit Command respec, can they really go Minmatar Commando like they were Amarr Commando before? Not really because they need Combat Rifle now. If they had thirty million SP it wouldn't nearly be as much of a problem but they don't; they have five million.
Saying that the event makes up for the additional SP is kind of the wrong way of looking at it. If our Amarr -> Minmatar friend stays as a Commando, he he being 'punished for switching' because he has to spend the theoretical one million SP to really be a Minmatar Commando. Someone that isn't changing anything about themselves doesn't 'get punished' because they can use that theoretical one million SP on whatever they want.
Yes, it is a bonus but think of it like this. If I give two people five thousand dollars and said "have fun", let's assume how they may spend it. One person is fairly well off already so they will use it for a booze and debauchery filled weekend in Vegas. The other person uses it to pay off their bills. One is being able to burn it however they want, wherever they want while the other is having to do a necessary purchase.
If you are switching to a different race within the same role, you are probably going to have to do a necessary purchase. I think the risk of the Logistics -> Heavy was worth the risk of at least refunding weapons as well.
Of course, this thread is probably not being read or moderated anymore as the decision was made so I could have better spent the time teaching my cat to juggle. |
Joseph Ridgeson
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:40:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:CCP gave us a partial respec. Not a full one like most people wanted, but we got one. Take your pound of flesh and leave them be.
The partial respec has to happen though. This is what it would have been:
CCP: "There are no refunds in 1.8. We have always stated that respecs/refunds are disruptive to the community as a whole and should be best to be avoided. It also means that SP matters, your choices matter."
Player: "I like playing Heavies. I like the big bulky dudes with big bulky guns. I also, no personal reasons, like the Minmatar. Kind of sad that I am stuck with an Amarr Sentinel."
CCP: "That was your choice to skill into it though."
Player: "Not really. When the choice is 'be an Amarr Heavy or not be a Heavy period', it wasn't a choice. Was I supposed to wait 10 months for the Minmatar Heavy to come out in order to not burn 3 million SP?"
That would be a very, very poor way of going about it. It was obvious that a Dropsuit Command respec was going to happen. Not doing it is how you truly alienate your base. Them not doing an Infantry respec is them just not taking our input not the CPM's imput. That is sad but it happened.
Stating "we got a respec like we wanted" would be like saying "my house is on fire but now it isn't but it is still a smoldering wreck. That's good because we wanted it to not be on fire anymore." |
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