so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy?

are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count.

face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute?


working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count).

No. There's a difference between losing SP because of a change and not using them anymore because it's your own decision.

This doesn't affect the skilltree. It affects the suits. And it doesn't change the suits intended role.

So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose?

Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions.

who the **** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments

I'm not holier than thou. I'm not trying to keep your I'll placed sp from you. If they just respec drop suit command I will have a ton of sp to spend. I'm a logi the first logi suit I had was a callogi prenerf. I do not use that suit at all anymore as I do not slay. I stand to gain way more from a respec than you I've seen your DS vids. I only want what is best for this game. I'm curious what is it that you would spend your freed up sp on, and how often do you think you deserve a respec? Every time something is added, or changed?

Answer my questions.

So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose?

Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits?

Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing.

I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it.

I can see CCP wanting to keep to new eden mentality with SP or whatever, I've never argued for on demand or even frequent respecs. That said, I would be fine if everyone could respec at will before any match, because it does not affect anyone in any way other than hurting their imagination. It's a video game. Period. People need to chill out.

I would spend my SP on finishing up my Incubus build, then either sitting on the rest for when Logistics ships get put back in, or I would go Gallente Shotgun Scout.

I am totally for competition and players being able to have fun but one thing that lures me to this game is that I know that you are going to be doing what you were yesterday. No re specs mean, to me, that the people I am fighting today will be the people I am fighting tomorrow. I know that you can't be a perfect HAV speced pilot today and just drop it all and go fatboy tomorrow. If you have the SP to do both then you deserve to do both but I know you just didn't put it where you want it just to play that one match.

Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits?

Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing.

For spicing things up a little bit maybe? DIfferent bonuses, different slot layout. Different tank type. Having fun with creating fittings? You have a shield tank but you notice all enemies are using laser weaponry? Then just switch to your armor tank in the match.

Out of arguments already?

no. he saw that you missed the point entirely, and failed to answer his question. Obviously, your a literate person, who thinks about what he is saying. problem here, which dust fiend noticed early, is that you don't read (as in take heed, or understand fully) the idea behind what anyone else is saying in response to you.

honestly, people play games for fun. this we can both agree on. common ground established.

now, with this in mind. would you have fun grinding on core gears for 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? 3 months? its annoying. its not exactly fun. especially with proto dudes pwning you left and right.


illustration 1
If you go to a resturant and the dish you want isnt served there, do you just get up and walk out, or do you order a substitute? Some people do get up and walk out (hence, low player count) others order a substitute. if you return to said resturant and they are now offering the meal you originally wanted, you no longer order the substitute.


illustration 2
you are taking courses in college. you pass your remedial or requiered none core subjects (core skills). you begin progressing in your desired feild was canceled after you finish your remedials (like heavies being belayed a whole fuking year). do you drop out of college? or continue on a substitute field? some drop out (hence low player count), others continue. now, your desired field courses are back, for whatever reason.
do you have the option to transfer credits? yes.
many colleges offer students the ability to switch majors and transfer credits.


application.
infantry and weaponry have changed so much since 1.1. and 1.8 is going to be for infantry what 1.7 was for vehicles. not offering a respec would be ludicrous.

And like I said, if you think that's worth wasting the SP for, then by all means.

But under no circumstances should we be forced to do that unless we so choose. Telling us to run MLT fits for a year just shows that you do not understand this game at all

I did. And you don't even answer mine.

I think people who are against respecs are against competition. They don't want people to have good builds. Plenty of us have great builds already, almost all 25 million SP I have is put into specific builds, I simply do not enjoy heavies -at all- anymore, so about 11 million SP is basically wasted because I won't play a video game if I'm not having fun with it.

Yes. We play for fun. So, if we play for fun, why spec into something which isn't fun for you? You spec into Amarr Heavy? Why? Because you want to play Heavy. Ok. So when that's the difference between Amarr Heavy and Gallente Heavy? If there's that big of a difference for you I have to assume you didn't like the Amarr Heavy. So then why did you spec into it? If you still had fun with the Amarr Heavy then why do you want to throw that skill away for another Heavy suit? Do you see the problem?

I simply want you to earn it.

didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question.

do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?

I just can't believe there are players who actually think that not playing the game while they wait for core material to finally be released is somehow legit.

I just.

I can't even begin...

And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want.

The devs pointed that out some time ago. Also it's not about the bonus change, it's about the role of the dropsuits. Logistics will always be there for support. The only role they may lose with 1.8 is the slayer role. But why did you spec into logistics if you wanted an assault class to begin with?

Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary:

I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically.

That warrants a respec.

if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get....

thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect

You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then

It's still a meal. And it's still what it was described as.

Yes. Stuff changed. For example you probably can't use LOGISTICS dropsuits as ASSAULT dropsuits anymore. But if you did use your logistic as an assault dropsuit even though you had no intention to play as a Logi in the first place that's your own damn fault. And all the nerfing and buffing? Live with it. It won't happened the last time. Tanks are now OP. So hat? That will change again. The same like Logis, the Massdriver and Flaylocks changed. If you want perfect balancing you're obviously playing the wrong game. Because that won't happen with a game that changes as often as Dust.

What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role.

There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese?

What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role.

There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese?