This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea.

It went by just fine with the vehicle respec

People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou.

I totally agree.

It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different.

so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec.
if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost".

Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time.

because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder.

us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break?

Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff.

There is a huge difference between the two.

And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules.

So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?

Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period.

regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else.

the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this...

minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem.

Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that.

GG bro no re.

so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy?

are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count.

face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute?


working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count).

who the **** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments

Answer my questions.

Why on Earth would you want to have two different heavy suits, or scout suits?

Who does that? What a waste of SP. I mean if that's what you really want to do then by all means, but don't force the rest of us to follow your failing.

no. he saw that you missed the point entirely, and failed to answer his question. Obviously, your a literate person, who thinks about what he is saying. problem here, which dust fiend noticed early, is that you don't read (as in take heed, or understand fully) the idea behind what anyone else is saying in response to you.

honestly, people play games for fun. this we can both agree on. common ground established.

now, with this in mind. would you have fun grinding on core gears for 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? 3 months? its annoying. its not exactly fun. especially with proto dudes pwning you left and right.


illustration 1
If you go to a resturant and the dish you want isnt served there, do you just get up and walk out, or do you order a substitute? Some people do get up and walk out (hence, low player count) others order a substitute. if you return to said resturant and they are now offering the meal you originally wanted, you no longer order the substitute.


illustration 2
you are taking courses in college. you pass your remedial or requiered none core subjects (core skills). you begin progressing in your desired feild was canceled after you finish your remedials (like heavies being belayed a whole fuking year). do you drop out of college? or continue on a substitute field? some drop out (hence low player count), others continue. now, your desired field courses are back, for whatever reason.
do you have the option to transfer credits? yes.
many colleges offer students the ability to switch majors and transfer credits.


application.
infantry and weaponry have changed so much since 1.1. and 1.8 is going to be for infantry what 1.7 was for vehicles. not offering a respec would be ludicrous.

And like I said, if you think that's worth wasting the SP for, then by all means.

But under no circumstances should we be forced to do that unless we so choose. Telling us to run MLT fits for a year just shows that you do not understand this game at all

didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question.

do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?

I just can't believe there are players who actually think that not playing the game while they wait for core material to finally be released is somehow legit.

I just.

I can't even begin...

if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get....

thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect

What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role.

There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese?

12 months of core skills?

im am just baffled at how you think that is fun or even possible without picking some sort of suit.

ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum?

My face hurts from hitting it against this brick wall so much.

I think my brain is bleeding.

Let's just agree to disagree, I think that's the best we're going to come to here.

And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning.

Period.

i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game.

also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM

they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.

You can tell yourself it's new content all you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that CCP lacked the resources to follow their own universes lore and give us full racial representation at "release"

Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument"

Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.

You're giving me diabetes

Cancer was implied, have you read his posts?

Again, you're not responding my point.
I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy?

Uh, no, I most emphatically do not agree that it isn't necessary.
I don't have maxed anything on my character, even within a single role, so to me, every point of SP is valuable. I can't just casually save SP and play at maximum efficiency like the veterans. A portion of the SP I spent working towards my current role will have to be outright chalked up as waste. I shouldn't have to take a hit to my character development due to CCP's fundamental suit changes. I spent real money to accelerate my development and that money is wasted if the skills I bought with that booster SP no longer apply to my role.

Just confirm the respec CCP.

You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi.

You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry.

With only a refund of dropsuit command, how am I like many others supposed to effectively change roles?

What use will I have for logistics equipment if I plan to go into scouts and heavy frames?

What use will Logistics have for heavy weapons if they choose to drop their heavy frames?

Why will I need armor modules if I plan to go into a shield based suit?

What use will I have for shield modules if I plan to play an armor frame?

I have certain commando classes that I want to use along with their race's assault suits. What use do I have for another faction's rifles, sidearms and secondaries?



I've made purchases to support a game I enjoyed playing. I will not spend another dime for this company if you continue to undermine every one of my decisions.


Give infantry a reason to stay. Vehicles had theirs. It's our turn.

[Strike 2] I'd prefer to wait until Dust is on ps4 to get one. If this keeps up, I'll just buy one anyway and forget about CCP.

Having maxed Armor Repair and Armor Plates on shield tanked suits isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having to use equipment that doesn't fall in line with your new logi bonus isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty" Having the wrong type of weapon for your new Assault bonuses isn't exactly what I'd call "without penalty"



I'll never grasp why this community is content with having wasted SP sitting around that you literally would never have spent in light of these new changes. It will actually never compute.

You say that SP is valuable, and in the same breath, dismiss its value.

I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol.
Nothing else.
And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them.
I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit.