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Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 147	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote Respec is right and only way to progress and for players. Its Easy if CCP implement something new (new implements, patches or techniques what making things different), we like players should have a chance to react anyway we need. Thats mean if CCP ruin something to player A, palyer A should have chance to put his spent point somewhere else. Changes were decision of CCP not ours, thats mean we should have chance to improve something else if things dont works for us anymore. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 150	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:09:00 - [2] - Quote I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD ). But otherwise. RESPEC is NEEDED i didnt see argument what is properly good call against WHOLE RESPEC idea. CCP already did many MANY wierd or maybe crtitical CHOISES/CHANGES and WE like community just cant be pushed through THEIR failures and misstakes. I-¦ll not be only one who REMEMBER their stepbacks and whole that nerfing/patching/implementation stuff. BASICLY there should..NO WAIT..there must be a RESPEC. How MANY told before, it will not concern the VETS, because they already have their PLAN done an jus waiting for new implements. But it will HELLPS to player, that players, players who are the PART of community aswell. Who was PUSHED to make a choices just basicaly for SURVIVAL or choices what was think like push them NEAR to their ROLES. No with new implements and changes, THESE players should have that CHANCE, these player should have that possibility to TAKE points and with all new implement BE what they WANT TO BE on battlefield. Many of them higlighted heavies or scout (pilots still pending like many other implements) where they were pushed to MAKE a choise what wasnt in their HEARTH but it was necceasity for THEIR gameplay and their feel be THAT role. Its easy, just give them a RESPEC CCP. You will SHOW player, whats mean your COMMUNITY, a RESPECT and your needs to have them HERE. If not it WILL be just another one SETBACK in CCPs already BIG sea of setbacks, wrong decisions and FAILURE. SHOW the community..the PLAYERS your respect and just give them a RESPEC. Implements/Patches/Your decissions/Failures were not their, there were YOURS CCP. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 150	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:39:00 - [3] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer. Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be? Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism. +1 And respect +1 Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 154	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD I'm just gonna go ahead and take that as a compliment You take it right, it was a compliment. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 158	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:15:00 - [5] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Hi, I'm a vet. I have 28 mil SP. I have proto CALLOGI/ASSAULT, tanks shields/rails, equipment, MD, CR, and RR. I can save SP for months and not be affected. I newb saving is losing a lot more than I do BC I already have more gear than I use in a day. No respec hurts the new players, not vets, and respects always bring back old players. There is no way, from a business standpoint, that respects can be a bad thing. First of all its RESPEC, in old MAG game it was from re-specialization, what was realocating point what you spend. With CCPs decissions patch/implements/changes, the palyersbase should have this option. And youre wrong, newbie who sawed his SP for something what works for him and after limited time CCP make decission to change that, what can be gamebreaking for someone who start in game is not a hurt for newbie?! Wrong terribly wrong, it is actually pain and nobody can fell that more than someone who just spent his firts SP thousands. Try to give me more accurate reasson why Respec is bad idea. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 158	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: The only people who do not want a respec are the ones with enough SP in reserve to go proto in the new suits and weapons, which represents about 3% of the entire community. There are many who have thought out their choices in suits and weapons just to have them change or become obsolete. With the new bonuses and changes to equipment, changes to everything really, there needs to be a full respec of , well, everything. Again the only people who do not want a respec are those with massive amounts of SP. I do not see any players returning if they are skilled into a suit and weapon and equipment that does not mesh well together. After reading the majority of the forum posts, had I not already been playing, I would not want to come and play this game. I already am playing less and less on all my accounts due to nothing being delivered and this SoonTM becoming a serious offence to me. Agree basicaly with everything boyo. I cant understand why some "people" here declined this idea. Its like i dont know, game cant profit on selfishness of some "SP milionares". Proper game profiting from relationship between palyer base and devs. Its simple and easy. If they lost connection with players through their stubbornness, that day they will lost everything. In that time i will want to see eyes and faces of that "three procents", when they will lost contenders and finally game itself. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:35:00 - [7] - Quote Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote low genius wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Honesty i really starting think this is just phantom thread for US and CCP have peace in front of ALL new players at general discussion. Why?! BECAUSE NO RESPONCE BY CCP CCP can you kindly gave us some info, maybe just something like:"Yeah boyos we thinking about it.", or something?! You have here really big responce by YOUR COMMUNITY. Honestly that "discussion" (how dev boyo named it) is aprox twenty pages long monolog, how COMMUNITY want RESPEC, nothing else. it's being discussed, and that's why this thread is here. more than likely we'll get dropsuit skills back, and perhaps dropsuit upgrade skills? maybe just the equipment skills? Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion. After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs. And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one). Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:27:00 - [9] - Quote There were arguments since patch one, but CCP policy cancel every voice about it. Now after pretty long time their pyramid finaly broke and with falling pieces our, the community eyes are on only one proper way to progress what finaly raised its fist and was named again. The time of respec, there is no another option and self prouded CCP must agree after whole that failure before. Because their implements and new techniques are on treshold of gamebreak righ now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 171	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:42:00 - [10] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'd be fine with the 'no moar respecz' people getting their way, IF there weren't so many damn sweeping changes this patch. Say, 3-4 months from now, when they add pilot suits, that's not respec worthy. Say, 4-5 years from now, when racial tanks come in, your only re-allocation would be in turrets and (maybe) upgrades(say going from caldari to minmatar, you would need nitrous instead of damage mods) Those wouldn't need full respecs, because you're not getting changes to any and all existing equipment. However 1.8 IS bringing super game changing, racially aligned changes. You CANNOT run Gek+ cal assault anymore. You CANNOT run a Laser rifle galScout anymore. You CANNOT run Minlogi with dampeners/uplinks/code breakers anymore Respec. Edit: imagine if in EvE they made Rails and Blasters not use the same skill. Imagine if you could no longer viably run a Caldari battleship with blasters, or a gallente cruiser with rails. Would this NOT deem a refund in SP? That actually great point. I can see now the vawe of rioting EVE players against CCP right now. But honestly they cant do this to them, what is actually really big discrimination if you take a look on OUR community. Thats quite sad, how they swabing with us here in DUST. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 172	Posted - 2014.02.20 04:12:00 - [11] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community. Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish. Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter? It SEEMS like CCP waiting now how situation will ESCALATE. Its quite sad how small respect WE like COMMUNITY have by THEM. Even with something like:"We working on RESPEC.", or "We talking about RESPEC.", just NOTHING by them. Its just WIERD how we talking and SUPPORTING here idea of RESPEC and CCP still not MAKE any step forward, or even TRY to comunicate with US. More and more its SEEMS just like phantom THREAD to wipe ALL our pleas from GLOBAL general discussion. What is REALLY not nice by them, CCP should stay and communicate with US and not hiding themselves SOMEWHERE. This SITUATION is quite RIDICULOUS. Waiting for just some info, for me like part of our PLAYING community i feel THAT like somekind of DECEIVE, honestly. Where is that DISCUSSION, what was HIGHLIGHTED in original POST. There is just our CONSTRUCTIVE talk how RESPEC is IMPORTANCE for upcoming events. Im really insterested if CCP try something like THIS on EvE players and their COMMUNITY. I bet they NOT. Im quite INTERESTED when someone start with ANOTHER sparkling threads in GENERAL talks AGAIN. Because this really SEEMS just like thread to make US silent. This is just SAD nothing else THAN dissapointing and SAD. Im really INTERESED if we, COMMUNITY of dust will some day have CLEAR a proper RESPONCE by CCP till newest patch and IMPLEMENTS with number 1.8 ARIVE. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 178	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:08:00 - [12] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. So what you're saying is. You guys have no intention to actually speak on the topic so you're moving it out of sight and out of mind so that it completely dies out. What a joke. Exactly what i told before, just hide it from general. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 179	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:22:00 - [13] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: i dont know why everyone is requesting respecs... iether CCP are going to give or not simple.. players dont have any say in the matter just letting you all know.. like just becuase everyone wants jetpacks doesnt mean CCP is going to implement them.. they do what the **** they want. You dont know are you?! Do you know there will be another suit?! Do you know new implements will be in?! Do you know there will be changes to mechaniques of weaponry?! The community need RESPECs just because there will be new things, heavies, arms and more decissions by CCP. Its logic way and to be honest, there in just one proper way how people can improve their roles by their needs and their racial predisposition and thats RESPEC. You just reminds me every one who was against RESPEC, everyone without reason and proper point. Everyone who just call in to the wind his nonsence. Look how many people here, how many parst of OUR COMMUNITY just right now, or days before RAISED their fists and start this LOGICAL figt for RESPEC. Answer is MANY and everyone put their proper POINTS in to it. EVERYONE is RIGHT. And now take a look on yourself, without reason, without point just saying this nonsence. That ridiculous, nothing else. WE the community of DUST just told HOW we see it, how IT IS and what is NEED. And what is need by COMMUNITY its NEEDED by GAME. That the whole POINT. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 180	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:31:00 - [14] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: We need to make a good pro and con list real quick Pro Helps noobs Helps everyone Everything changed - suit SP Everything changed - IRL $ spent Diversity Attract and keep new blood Vets come back and stay Choices don't matter "I made bad choices" "I want to try something new" Con Noobs don't have enough SP to matter Players can FotM Suits are changing but can still be used You got what you paid for if you have already used the weapon or booster FotM is not diversity SP isn't to blame for NPE, content and training is CCP releases borked gear and the vets will flock to the new OP and still quit b/c borked Lore Respec doesn't help igornace /stupidity Try doesn't mean proto, trying is level 1 or 2 Add to the list, I can be swayed either way. Someone told me once that a lawyer never asks a question that they don't know the answer to. There is no cons, how you can put decission of CCP put in cons. Their Fault are their faults and fais. That not about RESPEC. RESPEC itself is help in big implements and changes to game. If they make bad decission and players ergo COMMUNITY are damaged by it, there should be ..wait there MAY be a chance to overcome that by respec. COMMUNITY cant be PUSHED to something what wasnt their IDEA. Thats pure nonsence. BTW dividing playerbase only on Vets and Noobs is not good at all, thats frst thing. Second one FOTM is again a CCPs fault (they made issue in balacings not the players). Suits will have different Impact with new implements, what is another reason VOTING for RESPEC. And finally. ONLY IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY IS AGAINST RESPEC Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 181	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:59:00 - [15] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, it's going to happen. I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day. Its not a whining, they told its full release with all that POMPOUS celebration and now they have BACKSLASH for their faults. Its easy if its beta, name it beta. If its a full release, they should give COMMUNITY a chance to RESPEc after their IMPLEMENTS or CHANGES. Its only logical way, COMMUNITY needs equal GAME needs. Without US like community, there is no GAME. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:37:00 - [16] - Quote Oki after some time WE have here approx 96proc. of COMMUNITY supported RESPEC. And CCP is STILL silent, its easy this was just PUSH from GLOBAL by CCP. Whats mean they DONT care at all. And i though logibro is for community, another dissapointing thing about DUST. By the way, i saw another duo who dont like idea and they still DONT sent some proper cons of OUR support for RESPEC. What is mean that four procents are just ignoration/trolling/selfishness. Quite sad, Quite SAD. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:59:00 - [17] - Quote Loki Noveau wrote: Personally, I'd like a refund come 1.8. If we don't get one, well, so be it. Just means I still have more SP to save up. Another solution is to make an Aurum-based Respec. Charge like 25,000 AUR or whatever to have a characters SP reset. If people REALLY want that respect they will just have to pay for it otherwise they will have to save up for their goals. Either way CCP makes money and we, the players, have the option of a respec if we want one....we'll just have to pay for it....in cold hard Aurum. Only downside is for people who can't purchase Aurum. I think if CCP could come up with an ISK to AUR converter that would solve that but yer...idk. Just a thought. No at all, i dindt made DECISSIONS what make game different. Thats RESON why im for FULL RESPEC for everyone from COMMUNITY who want RESPEC. Its easy, COMMUNITY ask for it and HONESTLY after whole that TRYING by CCP was mostly CONTRAPRODUCTIVE. Now they should faces THEIR faults and listen to US, the COMMUNITY of dust. They already lost my TRUST and i think iam NOT the only one, who FEELING it like this. WHY we should pay for CCPS decissions and faults. WORD NEVER works LIKE this. If i make mistake its my fault and NOBODY will pay for it, just ME and my DIGNITY. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 191	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:15:00 - [18] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME!!! Rikaato Hako Suuolo Kirjuun This is the SIMPLEST and most TRUE axplenation. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 228	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:46:00 - [19] - Quote Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 234	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:39:00 - [20] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. No one has even implied that this thread would do anything but streamline the discussion. You should re-read the OP and manage your expectations. Crushing majority is for full respec, that seems like MONOLOG for me. Not a DISCUSSION what was anounced by logibro. DISCUSSION, just by oratorical measures, CONTAINS two sided conversation ergo DIALOG. Without any CCP responce its just yelling to the wind, nothing else. No discussion at all. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 234	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:41:00 - [21] - Quote Dravok Silverblood wrote: I don't want a re-spec personally. EVE and DUST 514 should be cold and cruel like space. I do see a reason to allow for players to do a re-spec but make them pay for it. Literally First re-spec 20.00 USD Second re-spec 30.00 USD Third re-spec 40.00 USD And keep that going at 10 USD increase till a cap out or maximum per year. I think one respec per month would be max. Also i think anyone that respects starts with a new KDR. Life time war-points, and win-loss ratio. So people on the leader boards earn it by keeping there toon the same. not taking a cheaters short cut.. And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game. I' ll NEVER put money, for someone elses DECISSIONS. If i run over someone, do CCP pay for it..NO. Thats reason why will not pay for anything in unfixed/unfinished game. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 236	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:09:00 - [22] - Quote There is MANY about FoTM/FoTD, but HONESTLY is that FAIL of COMMUNITY?! NOPE this is BASICALY CCPs failure, POOR balancing is not, like OTHER desions MADE, COMMUNITY failure. They made many MISTAKES, but pushing players, the COMMUNITY what playing THEIR game to something what WE do NOT want. Thats BIGGEST mistake what CCP already made. WE ask them about FULL one and WE have REASONS, really IMPORTANT ones. COMMUNITY already SPOKE already NOW its CCPs turn. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 236	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:02:00 - [23] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec... Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just *grind SP to get that OP sht*. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated* to a respec. ......but The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs. David Hume wrote: Correlation does not imply causation. Bascially correct but note the bolded statements. FOTM chasing currently requires both time and effort. Since both could be spend otherwise, an opportunity cost is attached to the practice. Additionally, right now some things can theoratically be fixed before they ruin the soonGäó economy and everyone's game experience along with it. Respecs make FOTM easier and thus more prevalent, worsening overall perceived balance. This has already been observed two times now, no matter the monocausal/polycausal/correlative relation. FOTM is not issue around RESPEC, FOTM is issue implemented by CCP by they "balancing". RESPEC is MOSTLY about COMMUNITY, what was pushed (by CCP) to CHOOSE something close to their WANTED role on battlefield. Now if, US the COMMUNITY of dust, WE can choose from ne the PROPER suits for our ROLES we should HAVE chance to CHOOSE it. Second REASON is about balance/implements by CCP. If THEY (CCP) cut something on SOMEONES role and that MECHANIQUE doesnt work anymore PROPERLY, the player (part of our COMMUNITY) should have a chance to use it on something WHAT actualy works. Third REASON, why RESPEC should be for now DIRECTLY optional mechanique in GAME. Dust itself STILL mostly under construction, whatever CCP told BEFORE logicaly need some backstep mechanique. There is still implementation and tinking with all stuff and mechaniques INSIDE game ITSELF. We ALL were MANYTIMES witnesses of their actions, what were mostly nad sadly SETBACKS and be blind fan NEVER works. OUR constructivism should be ORE than just somekind of REBEL YELL for them, we are the COMMUNITY of DUST and we should be TAKEN like that. Because OVERALL its feels like CCP taking US like some COTRAPRODUCTIVE voice, what is firts of all BAD and just really SAD sigh. If is true what "Saberwing" told before, we should have SOME answer or just DIRECTION is our reasons was HEARD. For NOW its just ANOTHER post from MANY, but in these hands of this "MANY" is FUTURE of dust game. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 249	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:06:00 - [24] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I'm against respecs because I read "If you give a mouse a cookie" and there are enough people who specced into Caldari Logis with TARs and Flaylocks after 1.0 asking for one. Luckily this isn't a democracy and I'm a grown man and can buy my own cookie. Let's not create a culture of respec dependency, you'll only find disappointment. Or what about do not be ingorant to COMMUNITY needs and help to make a better game without any silly pushes to something what PLAYERS dont want. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 255	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:43:00 - [25] - Quote I told it before FoTM is not players fault, its basicaly CCPs because they cant do properly balancing of arms. Real reasons for RESPEC are new mechaniques in game due new suits and from that relating new possibilities for plazers what was pushed to choosed something "near" their wanted roles. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 257	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:23:00 - [26] - Quote Im for FULL RESPEC anytime its needed (new implements, pacth, changing of mechaniques). And with whole that changes upcoming with 1.8 its just only logical way, everyone can spec FINALY in what he really WANT to spec and no something what is near to his ROLE like BEFORE. How MANY already put points in something what wasnt their really wanted skill, but it was neccesary in time, when there was here this technique/suit/implement?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 260	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:26:00 - [27] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. I say the vehicle one counts as a complete transformation. 1.8 appears to be a large amount of different non respec worthy things at once. If they had a respec I wouldn't have a problem if it was the last one, but 1.8 just doesn't change enough for me to believe that it would be. New content doesn't warrant a respec. Weapon and module tweaking doesn't either. The only argument can be made for suit bonuses, but that affects everyone. The Caldari medium suit changes weren't enough to warrant a respec, nor were the Amarr medium buffs. The prime example of why people say there should be one is the Minmatar Logi bonus change. They're losing a built in complex repper and codebreaker for a fitting cost reduction and a rep tool bonus. This means to compensate they have to use two lows, but the fitting cost is offset by the equipment bonus, assuming it's an equipment logi and not a slayer logi. It still doesn't change the fact it has 4 highs 4 lows 4 equipment a high base logi speed and inherent lower HP. It's not completely transformed. Like I said though, if they gave a respec I'd be fine being able to move around about 3 mil SP, but I don't want the community to make the assumption that respecs should be a regular game mechanic. Completely wrong. Players should have chance to play for what they want to play. If there was boyo who wanted to be amarr scout and due that imposibility he was push by CCP to spent the points for some time in something similar. He should have logicaly have chance to put his OWN point in that suit if its came. Nothing else. Its his points and if there is a role what he really want he should be able NOW to invest his ALL points in new content ergo in what he wanted spent points before. Hell i want be a HEAVY caldari only for AA, but now i grinding for better point in other suit. By your logic thats mean to leave points in something what i never wanted to be, but it was near to it?! No Caldari heavy arive and i want put all my points to what is exactly my CHOSED role. Everyone here told, they want just whole respec everytime if something really improtant arive and with 1.8, that situation is here. BTW MAG respec idea was great but we can use it here, because game basicaly have another mechanique in leveling. Dont get me wrong i really love MAG, so far i have MAG for real MASSIVE game and king of multiplayer shooter on PS systems. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 264	Posted - 2014.02.27 13:26:00 - [28] - Quote lordeh42 wrote: I stopped using/buying AUR when they nerfed the caldari logi ages ago, if no respect on this round of nerfs I`ll probably just quit. From a business point of view its not the greatest decision to annoy your client base to this extent. I had no problem using or buying AUR before, and probably wouldn`t again if the respect happened. before you lot ask, NO you can`t have my ISK, I have none...lol Dont worry boyo CCP actualy dont have many changes, just two. I there will be no RESPEC i'll just wait in GTAV for DESTINY in Autumn. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 266	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:02:00 - [29] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. A respec would be nice, but it's unnecessary, and people begging for them here is almost as annoying as people on the EVE forums asking when Dust is going to be put on PC. I'd rather CCP not indulge them. Most annozing people is ignorant ones who thinks:"if something is not neccessary to me, its not neccessary for others", there is basicaly majority FOR respec and that important for game. I still wainting till some of antirespec boyos arive with some proper reason why RESPEC should not be made. But its still same story:"What i think i want.", nothing else and what is more important, nothing productive. And honestly how long you will sit back and laugh, if that majority just leave and you will be pushed to play game with smaller numbers and after some time game will be lost, servers close and all that just by no people in?! Respec can revamp community, if you are agains that you basicalz want to play dust alone and trust me, there is big amount of games on sigh. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 267	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:42:00 - [30] - Quote Already did, you should put this respec on you sign too. There is bigger impact right now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 270	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:42:00 - [31] - Quote You can give respecs all day long and it doesn't make the game better. If you want to grab new players and hold on to the ones you have then you need good content. Not constant respecs and tiny balance tweaks. Claiming that a respec will save the game is about as good as saying a respec will kill it. People want content to have fun with and the SP is one of the few pieces of content we have.[/quote] Nope at all. Respec is just only logical way if there is implements what finaly can make game better for players. Game is good how players making it. There is nothing like game is good by itself. The RESPEC can finaly give us a role what we want to play, not just something what is near. Do you really thing, its a great idea to push players to choose something just near to they roles and leave it be like that, like really?! Boyo honestly, if you will be in shoes of boyo who want be Minmatar heavy with racial gun and he speced to amarian just because there WASNT any other choise, do you really want to leave SPs in something what you will never use again?! There is finaly chance for EVERYONE to make his own ROLE on battlefield, the WANTED ONE, and by your words this possibilities cant improve overal reception on players ingame already or the newbies who joined few weeks ago?! Hell it will even take some boyos and gals back, for try or for comeback even. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:33:00 - [32] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Just say no to respecs. And why?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:39:00 - [33] - Quote Why i just never achieve the proper con of RESPEC by anyone who is against it?! For now its mean there is basicaly nothing what is bad on RESPEC. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:15:00 - [34] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. ^This The huge pendulum swing of mechanics in Dust needs to stop. We need consistent graduated tweaks and polish not massive overhauls that untimely introduce new problems in the place of the old. Everyone remember when the TAR could be used for AV? Now even Proto AV struggles to be used for AV against Militia HAVs and an OB won't even scratch the paint when their hardeners are active. There are a host of examples like the one above and that's the heart of the problem. A respec won't solve the problem and offering them consistently (even 1-2 times a year) will have many negative impacts on the game, a big one being making it vastly more grind-fest/repetitive as 'everyone' migrates into a single role/fit following the trend of excessive re-balances. The lack of diversity will hurt the game, the massive swings in who's spec'ed into what will cripple the implementation of a true player economy, and the NPE will be essentially shot in the face as new players will lack the game knowledge to Proto the current FotM OP build... and even if they have a friend who can show it too them they won't have the SP so they'll still have to spend months with minimal fighting chance before they get to actually try and play the game. Respecs are not a solution to a problem, they are a symptom of a much lager problem, and that's what needs to be addressed. 0.02 ISK Cross And that's all well and good, I want the game to achieve a state of balance too, I think we all do. No one likes these constant back and forths. However. Until CCP can show us that they are dedicated to providing a persistent experience, respecs are necessary and do no damage to the game. Your choices have no meaning when they are altered for you on the most fundamental level. Until CCP can commit to their own rhetoric, they need to put customer satisfaction before roleplaying appeal. I don't disagree with the fundamentals of what you're saying here, however it's also "chicken and the egg" because offering consistent respecs is just a band aid obscuring, and feeding into, the larger problem(s) which create this situation. I play support, which means that if the preliminary numbers/changes hold I'm getting double (or triple, depending on how you look at it) nerfed when 1.8 comes out. As a support player I have over 20 million SP into dropsuit upgrades for my equipment fittings etc, 20 mill and I don't even have any points into damage mods yet, and now some of my support fittings are going to be crippled by the changes to the point where I'll need another frame, or proto in each race (or both) just to provide the same supporting roles I do currently and I won't be able to do it as well even then. Meaning it'll take me months of grinding SP just to be able to almost provide the same support on the field that I do now... and even then it's going to come at a higher average per match cost. So am I happy with the upcoming prospect, am I content with how things stand, was I able to make a meaningfully informed decision regarding the investment of my SP? No to all of the above. That being said a respec still has negative impacts on the game, it homogenizes the meta for one thing and that reduction in diversity is also a reduction in fun factor on several fronts. We don't need less content in Dust (and effectively it is less content if fewer types of suit and build are being deployed). What we do need is a better balance method from CCP, more Dev Blogs providing solid information, more transparency, and a stronger focus on the NPE (PvE wouldn't hurt either, but that's another matter). You're right, we're not able to make informed meaningful choices right now, not as much as we should be, and that is what needs to change. Until it does, respecs or no, the frustrations et al will remain. 0.02 ISK Cross From the other side, without RESPEC you will create more frustrations just by new mechaniques in suits and banned possbility to finaly spec in what community wanted before. If RESPEC will be achieved, there will be less frustratuion about implemented new mechaniques and suits. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:25:00 - [35] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Why i just never achieve the proper con of RESPEC by anyone who is against it?! For now its mean there is basicaly nothing what is bad on RESPEC. The answer to that is far to large for a single post, but here's a quoted one with links that will make a good start on the subject. Cross Atu wrote: Quoted from a long time ago. Cross Atu wrote: See this thread for all the reasons why an unlimited or 'pay to play" respec system is bad for Dust and bad for New Eden. There are quite a few points raised in that thread, but if you can work out a way around those drawbacks then by all means lets discuss it. Cheers, Cross ps ~ there is however another thread which provided a possible alternative that solves many of the issues raised within the first link, perhaps starting there would be more desirable. There wasnt any proper reason why its bad. Not only the one. Players were pushed to chose something what theydidint before and now they finally can spec in something what they wanted. Its really sad how someone thing:"No i dont like that idea and thats reason why i dont support it, even if i dont know why.", thats just ignorant nothing else. We, the COMMUNITY behind RESPEC, already state many arguments why there should be this option. From CCPs decissions (more often stepbacks) to implementation of new suits and changes in game mechaniques. Respec is only possible and only logic way to improve the gameplay and make community pleased. Its the only way how players who wanted be a for example caldari heavy, but pushed by unimplemented CCP to skill in amarrian suit, now have choise to put skill in they wanted asset. Game is that good, how pleased are players with it. If players are frustrated, game is not good, thats simple logic. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 276	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:54:00 - [36] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit. Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec Why, he/she want have finaly his/her choosed suit. That is actually good reson for respec, finally play ROLE what is wanted. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 277	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:24:00 - [37] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit? I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time. And there is another contra by me. If game will be finaly balanced and whole great. Do you will want had spent SP in something in what you was pushed to choose, just because there wasnt your wanted suit and you tried to make something near to what did you want?! I know my english is pretty crappy, let me tried that again. If you will be heavy, now only possible way spec in to Amarian one. And CCP arived with for example Gallentean Heavy what you wanted before. Do you really just left spent SPs in suit what you will never use again?! Because if it will be about me, no i will not leave any skill in something in what i was pushed to spent before, if there is possibility to put that in role what i wanted from day one in DUST. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 285	Posted - 2014.03.04 13:38:00 - [38] - Quote Oki boyos and gals. For some time (i pressume till 1.8) i go in to passive mode. Im really sorry if someone from our community will be sad (maybe for my support of his idea or just for my roleplay here on forums), but i have some problems with spin of mine and i cant participate. Sorry (but from other side, the game itself is in horible state and i pressume i' ll not lose anything). Till that time seeya, maybe here, much possibly in TLoU multi (where im really big noob btw) or maybe after some time in DESTINY. I pray for our full community RESPEC, i really think we can ACHIEVE this. Till some time Good games and good fights. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 285	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:16:00 - [39] - Quote Hello all i sending you all greeting from hospital. Im here just for few, to observe how situation goin (due my healt issue with neck spin). Oki i have this idea, since CCPs no responce im pretty sure we made big YELL. (f.c.u.k. i feel really sick after that painkillers, that neck killing me and now stomach XD ) I'll sent here and on their support NEED RESPEC with link on this thread. And maybe we wll have some answer, i know its just try but what ican lose :P Who try with me?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 322	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:53:00 - [40] - Quote Whole respec. Basicaly i was, like many many boyos here pushed to make something temporary and now i have a chance to put SP to proper suit. If i want to make my "final" suit i need to respec point in skill, what are obsolete for me and i will not use them anymore. There is basicaly no other chance and honestly if respec will not come, iam prepared to leave game finaly and forever. There will be Destiny, where my clan will migrate, on autumn and basicaly from this clan im already in dust alone. Whats mean no strings here. It sad, i saw DUST like son of MAG, but it was terible mistake. Mag was one and only proper MASSIVE game in this genre and i love it, sadly dust is not like that and never was. There was time, chromo time, but from that time game itself went flater and flater, no canyon anymore No place for tactical thinking, just buy the best weapon, with best suit and best hardened wehicle and you win. I was in army and its not working like this, never. I know many of boyos here can tell me:"This is not real world and its just a game.", but hell game should be fun and right now its fun for just sort of people. Look on this thread and on threads before, there is already community in dust community who is for respec. Other side just didnt gave us (community for respec) any reason, why respec shouldnt be here. I know there were respecs and i plead for them, but i didnt received any of them, just the vehicle i pressume. That was reason why i started once again and once again. But this isnt about me only, i tell you what i see in dust already. In dust i see many potential, but really c.r.a.p.y. core mechnics, mediocre playability and TOOOO MANY broken promises. What i dont like is lying, there is too many lies in game what basicaly already make me negative, when i start play. That negativness is with me everytime, when CCP announce something. I dont know if thats because Iam ASPI, but its really really f.cu..ed up. Another nail to DUST coffin i can imagine, than another missleading by CCP and this thread, where they basicaly dont say/answer anything from it foundation. For me Respec can revive already really divided game, it can bring back people and show them respect by ccp for time, what they spent with and for it. But for now i feeling whole this just like trolling by their side. I think this is all. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:45:00 - [41] - Quote I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:57:00 - [42] - Quote I know, dont tell me, but thats not a proper reason. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 350	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:48:00 - [43] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever. I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern. IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. Still repeating same story. Example, f i was by ccp pushed to put point on heavy by amarr and now i will have posibility to put that point in what i wanted, caldari/gallente/minmatar, then you telling me i should left that MY SP left in something what i will never use again?! If that so, then thats mean you are basicaly selfcentered beign. Because if you dont need, nobody dont need. Thats nothing else than just really selfish thinking. Nothing else. Hell i grind that points and i should be a person who can put it FINALY in what i wanted long time ago. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:27:00 - [44] - Quote COMMAND ONLY Like really?! Thanks to our asociatives in CPM we have just command only, even if PURE MAJORITY here asked for FULL one. Oki CCP you customer support is fine, but everything else is just rubish withou any kind of listening to community. Congratz. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:47:00 - [45] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AWSOME CCP and the CPM Respec in the DP comand is great. I can live with my guns and equipment even if I wanted a full respec. It's a realy nice compromise guys I comend you for it Regards Nope its not, we wanted pie, ot just its cut. Honestly is community want full, why they gave a part. This is nothing else than another setback. Whole thread and whole community discussion and just for this. I taking this like insult, pricipe was broken again. Community wanted more than only this. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 372	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:38:00 - [46] - Quote Im siply DISGUSTED by this DECISION. CCP just showed once more, how THEY respecting our COMMUNITY. Thins is just NOTHING what we WANTED. We were ALL open to discussion, but right NOW they LIED once AGAIN. No discussion was STARTED between COMMUNITY and ccp. This is just OUTRAGEOUS. Why they OPEN this THREAD, just because THEY wanted to put US like STRONG voice, LIKE the RAISED FIST of COMMUNITY from global DISCUSION. And now thez want to GIVE us just another UNFINISHED thing. CCP you did this REALLY really WRONG. There is REASON why INFANTRY wanted full RESPEC anfter whole bunch of YOUR bad steps. This is NOT over, there WILL be more and MORE VOICES from us, from a PLAYERS. How CCP can do this to US to COMMUNITY, to the CUSTOMERS. If they WANT to repeat SAME deblacle like monocle in EvE just go AHEAD, you are just FEW steps from TRESHOLD. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:06:00 - [47] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: BARDAS wrote: Looks like a dropsuit command respec is all we are getting. Filed a support ticket and got a less than favorable response. Riding in the same boat... More players will leave. Fewer players will come back to check. Nobody will regret their decision(except CCP). Same boat here, dont worry boyos Destiny is on the corner. I still pray the will change thir mind, right now i basicaly have them for nothing else than liers. They told there was communication, no there wasnt. Andi basicaly dont buying story with CPMs, no CCP just Bshate with our COMMUNITY once more. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:12:00 - [48] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Went straight to pure QQ on this thread, guess I am done here. I am so tired of hearing you all cry for something and then crying more when you got it. Yeah I am going to say it...HTFU and don't bother with replying because I will not even know you did because I am un tagging this thread, my job here is done. Thank you and good night. Just go Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 373	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:26:00 - [49] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: Seriously no weapons respec? Why? Vehicles got their turrets respeced -_- and weapons were changed more than ever ....-_- no forward motion here Exactly CCP just made another mistake. I STILL dont understand who ARIVES with this BSHATE. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 374	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:34:00 - [50] - Quote Mell caneva wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. Us have 1.072 comments on that post and you have 20.300 visits. You know all the players and money us will lost if only give us a dropsuit respec? They dont care about players or community. They know what we, the community of dust wanted. But they made just this, nothing else than just spit on our faces. Its pretty sad they dont even gave us a chance to give them a resons why the respec should be full. These whole things just showed us, how they want fixing things. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 376	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:12:00 - [51] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: CCP Logic: People had to put SP into off-race suits in order to use certain types of suits CCP Answer: Respec for dropsuit command CCP Logic: People had to put sp into off-race weapons in order to use certain types of weaponry CCP Answer: No Respec for weaponry You guys are horrible and you should feel horrible. Basicaly thats is. They had poll by community where majority was for full. They have thread, where we (community) want full or dropsuit/arms. And even with all this info, they made this. I just still cant believe how totaly stupid decision they made. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 376	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:24:00 - [52] - Quote Community wanted something else, end of story. We told that here, we made a poll and they basicaly didnt listen. Majority was for full or dropsuit/arms RESPEC and thez gave us just cut of it. Hell even if there is new implements. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 385	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:51:00 - [53] - Quote They like EA and Randy Pitchford together. Just nothing else, than disapointing. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:07:00 - [54] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Mwhahaha the tears are so wonderful! If you crybabies want a new role then pull the trigger and go earn that sp or quit I don't care one way or the other. Honestly people like you are disgrace for the human race, you parents should be really proud. But we all know this is issue of sensible upbringing. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:08:00 - [55] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. container without content loosing on name Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 387	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:17:00 - [56] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Good job CCP, you made all these kids cry. It probably means nothing to you but I appreciate the dropsuit respec and the unfathomable tears of rage. They're unfathomable because I have no clue why people are butthurt about getting something. You're not seing far these 2 weeks i suppose ? 1.8 is the Full Racial Line Up. Actually we can't have a better moment to have a Full respec. You know what it means ? No respec now means we're NEVER going to have a respec. (When i'm saying never it means NEVER.) So we're all stuck with the same role for the 3 next year...... You were dying because of water lack, someone threw you an empty water bottle and you're happy..... It might be an empty water bottle but at least now I have a bottle. container without content loosing on name It's already full. All these tears, soooo refreshing. There is no tears, there is just rage. Tears are from filth or sadness not from rage. I thing your trolling is somehow wrong here. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 395	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:03:00 - [57] - Quote I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 398	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:23:00 - [58] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I never told they didnt and i already apreciate that on other threads. But honestly do you boyos think its great thing to troll people who dont feel same?! Because graze on someones rage is not too kind. Im glad for what we achieve today and im honestly proud, but talking here about bshates and childish things like these "delicious tears" and other stuff if someone trying to make a point. Thats not right at all. If there is people who dont agree with respec, oki but makig bad blood and spaming thread what is here for reason is quite unpolite. Im not brat who crying here about something, point was there should be some conpensation for any changes and thats all. All that crying babies and delicious tear thingies will not aprove this discussion. I was here to support people who thinks same and i will not be blind, how some others just making fun and bad blood here. I was never bring up in idea be a childish brat who likes to making bad blood or stubborn egoist who like to making fun from other. Im supporting human beign and if i see good idea i will gald to help with it. Even if i dont need it personaly. Thats reason why i start this defence. Nothing else. This thread was made to stop the respec thread spam on the forums. While that was the intention it doesnGÇÖt mean a discussion couldnGÇÖt be had. So people who are against, neutral or for respecs are welcome in this thread. So donGÇÖt be surprised if people donGÇÖt agree with you. You downright insulted another forum goer with GÇ£youGÇÖre a disgrace to human raceGÇ¥ and their parents by insinuating they had failed at their job. I donGÇÖt agree with you, and I pointed out why, but I did agree that he had been rude too. At no point did I say youGÇÖre a brat. I did not name you personally, or say it outright. I merely said that GÇ£most peopleGÇ¥ on this thread seem to be just that. I wish more people used actual arguments of why a full respec is in order. Most of the posts have been about peopleGÇÖs personal feelings and how they are disappointed and leaving forever if they donGÇÖt get what they want. I didnt talk about people who dont agree. Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:01:00 - [59] - Quote I still pray, there is still time. But i already dont trust in any improvement by CCP. Its really sad what they did to us. And they had it here in front of their eyes. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:16:00 - [60] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. Unproductive, thats actualy really funny. There wasnt anz QQ before, when the thread starts. People basicaly put out point why it should be full. Nothing else. Major community showed CCP why full is needed. How it ends we know. Now community is mostly furious and we all know why. They just make it by themselves nothing else. We were productive, CCP not. Im glad we have something but iam sad aswell and from proper reason. Thats reason is community wasnt listened. And whole that point what we taked up were just swept from CCP table. I honestly thinking whole day about that decision. I was angry, i was sad, one while i was fine, but after i was sad again. Just pure principe of things. I think i'll just start again from scratch. This is just ..meh, i really cant wit till destiny will be here. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 400	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:26:00 - [61] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. Read whole this thread from start, thats not about nerf. The whole story s about new implements. I using rail and i basicaly dont cae how much it was nerfed, because i sucks in shooting anyway. Im support i leaving shooting for assaulters. The whole madness is about thing from what we received just part. Im glad for that, it still better than nothing. But we was so close to achieve proper repsec. Not just small cut. And thats the whole story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:12:00 - [62] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:23:00 - [63] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. I can completely understand. You have two weeks worth of SP/Bonus SP and Event SP. You can't tell me you want have atleast 2-3 mil for the launch Nope you dont, this is not about SP itself. This is about stuff what isnt caldari ad i will be glad i there will be posibility to make it caldari. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 403	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:27:00 - [64] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: I'm just trying to stay positive and hopeful for the game bud. Disappointment is a plague that must be checked before it spreads. Me too. Btw if disappointments is plague why they sent us that placebo before in form of respec thread. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 408	Posted - 2014.03.13 15:23:00 - [65] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs? Basicaly it seems like something went wrong. I dont know whos fault it is, because we told them how it will be. But from some wierd reason suits are changable and arms not. Even they both are just on same level. I dont get logic, where is Racial suit more than Racial weapon. Stats was changed, ne suits and weapons implemented. Why their decision is like this i just dont understand. Its really seems like few boyos just dont like chance to make a change. Nothing else i really dont see. I really pray for change, CCP should rethink their decision, honestly. Till that time i will be off game on passive. Hell i wanted just pure racial suit and invest poits finaly to proper caldari tech. Like this i will have crapy noncaldari stuff on my suit for ever, just because i must before. Tank driver had respec n their machines with all. Why i like infatry can have same thing. I pressume i'll just wait for destiny beta and game itself. I dont want grind time what i put in game again. Hell they really need to rething this, i like this game but this is just another setback, nothing else. With full respec there can be gig wave of player back and we all can have what we wanted. With this there will be nothing, just another sad story in dust 514 epitaph. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 412	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:47:00 - [66] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Plenty of wrong things done with this respec decision that CCP has made, It should have been an infantry Respec because: 1. New Weapons Coming out 2. Damage & Range on weapons have nerfed (Apart from the LR Range, which gets buffed) 3. New Suits 4. Equipment Stats Changed Plus others which i've forgot... To be honest i think CCP were drunk when making this stupid decision, what's the point of us contributing if they're only going to listen to those stupid CPMs? Basicaly it seems like something went wrong. I dont know whos fault it is, because we told them how it will be. But from some wierd reason suits are changable and arms not. Even they both are just on same level. I dont get logic, where is Racial suit more than Racial weapon. Stats was changed, ne suits and weapons implemented. Why their decision is like this i just dont understand. Its really seems like few boyos just dont like chance to make a change. Nothing else i really dont see. I really pray for change, CCP should rethink their decision, honestly. Till that time i will be off game on passive. Hell i wanted just pure racial suit and invest poits finaly to proper caldari tech. Like this i will have crapy noncaldari stuff on my suit for ever, just because i must before. Tank driver had respec n their machines with all. Why i like infatry can have same thing. I pressume i'll just wait for destiny beta and game itself. I dont want grind time what i put in game again. Hell they really need to rething this, i like this game but this is just another setback, nothing else. With full respec there can be gig wave of player back and we all can have what we wanted. With this there will be nothing, just another sad story in dust 514 epitaph. I agree with you, to be honest the choice is obvious a full infantry respec & if it were me at CCP i would make that choice final & optinal for Vets & Newbies, but CCP went full ******** & went with Dropsuit Respec. CCP obviously doesn't know what they're doing & they're asking for help from us to make a decision, which they don't need help because it's obvious that 1.8 needs a full infantry respec, just like 1.7 with vehicles... Derp CCP Derp... Yup they asking but they everytime just make it somehow worst. Everytime when they listen to community they make it by themselves. And we know how its mostly ending. We can see that right now. I really dont know if they were shortsighted or if there were voices from some sour CPMs. I dont know and i dont want pointing by my finger. But overal this is just "cut" and ist basicaly not enought. Why a cant manage my poit finaly how i want with whole my caldari purism. Hell i had whole last week talk with customer service about racial quarters. But there is difference, GM scottsman fix whole problem. Devs somehow make this just meh. I still pray for some suprise, for some welcome sight by CCP. This patch should be a influx gate for players who left. And help for people who want to grind just purism in game. But for now whole that sound, wha we made was suffocated by this "overcuted" decision. CCP you can do more than just this. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 413	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:55:00 - [67] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the ***** game. I sure as hell haven't. Saw IWS months back, he brought a crappy missile tank out, get roflstomped and left battle. This is all on CCP. I haven't seen a single CPM member that was not in favor of a full infantry respec. There might be one somewhere, but the CPM even made forum threads saying we needed respecs (Kane). CCP heard both the CPM and us ask for a respec, and called the partial thing they gave us "listening". Thats not listening. Honestly i see that more like shortsighted decision. Because i really dont thing they wanted to troll us. In state what game is right now. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 414	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:16:00 - [68] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation... Im really intested why this decision too. There was voice of many. Hell we were like Legion from bible. But CCP somehow didnt agree with that. Im really intersted why this decision, even if majority was for something else. I dont know if its a big deal for them and i bet its not. Why if suit are fine, why not same with weapons. We talking here about special situation. And they made this "cut". I still cant avvept that decision. Its like trying to say something to deff person. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 415	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:13:00 - [69] - Quote How i saw today thread in general about weapons and posible future inplements. Maybe there is a reason, because there is not full implements in weaponry. But if CCP just tell us something like:"There will be future implement around weaponry what will include weapon respec.", i will gladly shut up and wait. But till that time there will be just more and more posts and threads about. Why they just dont tell us something instead waiting behind closed doors. That secrecy is just contraproductive, nothing else. With better transparency and more open discussion with community, we can achieve better than this. Because this is just making bad blood here, between company and us, the player base and finaly even between us like players. Situation like these just making more and more trolls and bigger amount of "A-r-s-c-h-l-o-ch" type of persons here. With better responce will arive better feel between community and company. Without that there will be just feeling like CCP hiding somewhere from us, like other intentions and we will be just step from unhealthy paranoia. Just give us more info CCP, cooperate with us, hell we are community of your game, your baby. There is nothing bad on transparency and Kameradenship. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 419	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:37:00 - [70] - Quote Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 424	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:30:00 - [71] - Quote Thanjac wrote: Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? CPM i think Iron Wolfie boyo told me today this: #23 Posted: 2014.03.13 20:59 \| Report \| Edited by: Iron Wolf Saber "I don't think a full respec of weapons will ever happen though. Save some of your points for future guns, which should be a thing of constant. Lucky for us we CAN save SP over time. Eve Pilots don't get that luxury at all." It seem like its done. P.s.:there is original Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 441	Posted - 2014.03.14 14:55:00 - [72] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 443	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:09:00 - [73] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry. (issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one) And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie. And this think really making me crazy. Have something what is no longer have proper point. Thats all. Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection. How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD. Its something what really disturbs me. And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel. Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted. Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 447	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:10:00 - [74] - Quote Grow up boyo Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG

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