Pretty dark in here. I've brought extra torches. You guys want some?

Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough?

who the **** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments

so, you are encouraging people to leave this game?



illustration1

if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get....

thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect


also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them

Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary:

I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically.

That warrants a respec.

Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.

Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.

Again, you're not responding my point.
I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy?

It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick.

I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.

I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more.

I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design.

Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch.

Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;)

I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes.

Core skills can totally be wasted. Armor modules on my cal scout? No thanks. Proto nanohives for my sentinel? Also no. Shield modules for my Gal heavy? Again, wasted.

Yeah, sure, eventually- but if the point is that we're re-doing our SP choices due to drastic changes in suit functionality, upgrades need to be re-chosen too. I can change my suit to a Cal suit, but if I'm a month away from having proto shield extenders (because what armor tanker would even touch that tree?), that's a brutal wait. The whole issue could be avoided by just giving a core upgrade respec.
Also, my point about equipment stands.

why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy?

And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal

some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that?

It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick.

There's a difference between balance changes and what's going on in 1.8. I direct you to my post on page 1:

Reason why thread is here is just one (actually aprox hundred in general discusion) and that reason is great wave of threads in general discussion.
After aprox twenty pages we did not have any responce by devs.
And thats reason why im really dissapointed (and trust me its not first time here and im not the only one).

I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP......

Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want:

Cloak Scout with PRO knives
Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle
Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG
Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia

It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long).

I'll believe it when I see an official statement to that effect. Until then, I'm going to moan and whine and complain and make noise every single day.

Basically confirmed.

Just confirm the respec CCP.

You know there is an overwhelming case in favour, given that you are changing how pretty much every combination of suit, weapons, and upgrades works. Sometimes even the playstyle is changing fundamentally, as with the minlogi.

You can also see that there is a massive majority in favour, and that you'll lose a lot of players if you don't do it. After the vehicle-only respec and months of invincible tanks, no infantry respec really would the last straw for a lot of infantry.

The entire forums is only a loud minority, as is the subset of people who would take the time to fill out a poll on Dust. The fact is, players from every segment of the game's population have come out to support respecs, and that is as close to a majority mandate as we can come.

As for the players who don't care enough to ever read the forums, I can't imagine any of them would be disappointed to log in after 1.8 to discover that the role overhaul and introduction of racial parity for suits came with a full infantry respec.

If you want to get down to release we could argue that the weapons and suits are released in some type of lore way. I am not huge into lore so please forgive my blatant ignorance. Lets say we are the first few versions of clones and if the Amarr were the first to have this tech then they released the heavy suit, the other races developed suits to try to counter the heavy and that is why we only have a handful of tech and some have suits missing. They can make up any kind of lore they want as long as it goes with the main narrative. These new suits are the next generation of clone equipment and have new and different skill sets and attributes because the engineers of New Eden has seen the need for these suits in the past year.

Now that my BS is out of the way. I agree with a SP refund IF ALL THE SUITS are released at once or the skill is removed. If they are released or rebalanced one at a time then I don't think a refund is needed. A slow trickle and gradual change isn't that big of a deal but if they are going to change the entire bonus set and racial line up on one patch then they should give us the SP. It isn't fair that players wanted to play a race and couldn't but you know me, life isn't fair.

I just come to this thread to make people type because the amount of passion or the lack of thought amazes me. Don't get me wrong passion is good but we have to weed out passion from lack of thought. CCP reads all this splork and they will do what they want because it is their game. I really don't care if they give a refund or not, I just like arguing for NO RESPEC. It makes me smile. I like causing instantaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion. My friends either call me a pimp or the devil. I was called out by a palm reader in the middle of a Russian bizarre for being the devil when I was like 15 and was doing an exchange student kind of thing.

i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games.

I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk.