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Salt Dog 76 wrote:

Alldin Kan wrote:

NK Scout wrote:

Because you have 30 mil sp
Like it or not we are getting one
And I already have proto

Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want:

Cloak Scout with PRO knives
Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle
Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG
Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia

It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long).

AMEN KAIN you are so right. SAVE up your SP like hundreds of us Vets do b4 every update.

Crap how many weapons, vehicles, BPO's, Officer weapons, exc... do most of us have and will never use.

Hell i have 123 Thales, Im a fricken hvy and hate all red dot (or line) snipers and will never use them.

Give us our market to trade and/or sell these thousands of items, it will give everyone extra Iskies or Aurum in some cases, to use better gear which in turn will make payouts in game better its a win win.

Why souldn't we be able to cash in our extra BPO's for some extra Aurum we dont need all these duplicate's,

CCP GIVE US A MARKET please with a cherry on top.

Awry Barux wrote:

I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.

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Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1304	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:26:00 - [391] - Quote Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Drop it like its hat.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 937	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:36:00 - [392] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. Take note, CCP employees reading this: That is not the case. The backlash will be large. Do the right thing here by providing a full infantry respec, and you'll inject quite a bit of life into the game. It's a matter of keeping the players who are on the fence about whether or not to abandon Dust- you need to hold their interest while you work on additional content. I wouldn't be surprised if a respec, combined with 1.8's new content, earns you a six-month high player count record. This is a win-win for the community and CCP.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1304	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:51:00 - [393] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. If that happens, people should just rapidly close their wallets to make a statement. I told myself that I will not be spending any more money until I get a respec, back in the beginning of uprising when my caldari assault bonus was changed. Drop it like its hat.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1305	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:41:00 - [394] - Quote Also, one very valid argument (warning, incoming irony) is to not refund infantry SP because it would cause tears on the forum. What company would seriously consider that? The people who write such things much be either drunk, high, or were dropped on the head when they were babies. Drop it like its hat.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:27:00 - [395] - Quote You know what? If CCP tells us their reasons are "lol, tears are delicious" for doing something the only thing to do is applaud them for showing some guts. Apparently "Haerr" means "Hare"... Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm a hunted wabbit!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 783	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:29:00 - [396] - Quote And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:32:00 - [397] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. Apparently "Haerr" means "Hare"... Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm a hunted wabbit!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 783	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:34:00 - [398] - Quote Haerr wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: And then starve their children by not paying them for thinking they can just 'lol april fools nubs' us all the time. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 11:02:00 - [399] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: My .02 ISK: Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing. Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits. how do you use a weapon without a dropsuit first?isn't tht impossible? A merc can get fairly far without skilling into a suit. Starter fits are prefit but customizable and spending SP in suit module and weapons upgrades is a smart thing to do and can save people some growing pains. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 185	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:41:00 - [400] - Quote Any input ccp? The sooner u tell ppl what's being respeced, the sooner ppl can experiment with different stuff intead of grinding away for prof 5. Giving ppl a better overall idea of different roles and what they want to specialize in long term. I realize everything is changing next update but I'm sure newer players especially would appreciate the chance to try something different. Please, talk to us. Less QQ more PewPew

Scheherazade VII 217	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:56:00 - [401] - Quote Half Life 3 confirmed.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2643	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:57:00 - [402] - Quote We got respec yet? Intelligence is OP
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 728	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:50:00 - [403] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: We got respec yet? Not yet but im praying for one. Actually lets just sacrifice CCP Logibro to the respec devil. That will give us all what we want .
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1661	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:15:00 - [404] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec. Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. Take note, CCP employees reading this: That is not the case. The backlash will be large. Do the right thing here by providing a full infantry respec, and you'll inject quite a bit of life into the game. It's a matter of keeping the players who are on the fence about whether or not to abandon Dust- you need to hold their interest while you work on additional content. I wouldn't be surprised if a respec, combined with 1.8's new content, earns you a six-month high player count record. This is a win-win for the community and CCP. well with the errors on psn preventing the purchase of aurum i can't see how they could possibly hope to get money off this. Besides, in Brasil their are PSN restrictions (another issue entirely) that prevent the purchase of aurum at this time (which is why brasilians make psn accounts using american addresses) Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 116	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:26:00 - [405] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: We got respec yet? Not yet but im praying for one. Actually lets just sacrifice CCP Logibro to the respec devil. That will give us all what we want . Could we sac him to the robot devil instead?
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 70	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:42:00 - [406] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). AMEN KAIN you are so right. SAVE up your SP like hundreds of us Vets do b4 every update. Crap how many weapons, vehicles, BPO's, Officer weapons, exc... do most of us have and will never use. Hell i have 123 Thales, Im a fricken hvy and hate all red dot (or line) snipers and will never use them. Give us our market to trade and/or sell these thousands of items, it will give everyone extra Iskies or Aurum in some cases, to use better gear which in turn will make payouts in game better its a win win. Why souldn't we be able to cash in our extra BPO's for some extra Aurum we dont need all these duplicate's, CCP GIVE US A MARKET please with a cherry on top.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:54:00 - [407] - Quote If I had a crystal ball and you put RR to my head and told me to tell you what the future holds then I would say that we are getting dropsuit SP back if all the suits are release. No sacrifice needed, it its going to happen. I just like to be able to debate people over it. I like a challenge and fighting for the team that is losing or is going to lose is fun to me. I like winning but there is nothing to be won here because I think the choice has already been made. I would be shocked if CCP didn't already know what they are doing, they aren't inept. They just do things differently than non CCP people. All sacrifices should be in the form ISK and addressed to The Robot Devil. No sacrifices are too large but any under 100K ISK could be consider an insult and are could cause your corp to be beshrewed. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 951	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:57:00 - [408] - Quote Salt Dog 76 wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Because you have 30 mil sp Like it or not we are getting one And I already have proto Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want: Cloak Scout with PRO knives Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long). AMEN KAIN you are so right. SAVE up your SP like hundreds of us Vets do b4 every update. Crap how many weapons, vehicles, BPO's, Officer weapons, exc... do most of us have and will never use. Hell i have 123 Thales, Im a fricken hvy and hate all red dot (or line) snipers and will never use them. Give us our market to trade and/or sell these thousands of items, it will give everyone extra Iskies or Aurum in some cases, to use better gear which in turn will make payouts in game better its a win win. Why souldn't we be able to cash in our extra BPO's for some extra Aurum we dont need all these duplicate's, CCP GIVE US A MARKET please with a cherry on top. God I can't believe I have to trot this argument out again. You would think it would be obvious... would you save your SP if you hadn't yet unlocked advanced suits or weapons, or your proto gear? Not everyone is a beta vet. Awry Barux wrote: I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1682	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:58:00 - [409] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Any input ccp? The sooner u tell ppl what's being respeced, the sooner ppl can experiment with different stuff intead of grinding away for prof 5. Giving ppl a better overall idea of different roles and what they want to specialize in long term. I realize everything is changing next update but I'm sure newer players especially would appreciate the chance to try something different. Please, talk to us. This is how CCP rolls and it is one way they troll us. We need to get all this pent up respec energy out before they tell us anything. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1851	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:59:00 - [410] - Quote I just want a timetable for the rest of the racial hulls and turrets, and a timetable for the pilot suits. My SP will be 100% pilot. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:01:00 - [411] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I just want a timetable for the rest of the racial hulls and turrets, and a timetable for the pilot suits. My SP will be 100% pilot. I wouldn't hold my breath for any type of public time table because it induces too much rage and speculation. They may confirm it to be on a one or two year road map but they will probably never give us a time table. We can't handle the truth. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
THE WOOKIE 72 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 6	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:08:00 - [412] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: I would post my replies from other respec threads here but the topics were subjugated out of existence. Basically what it boils down to is, we were promised racial heavies forever ago. During the time between said promising and when 1.8 drops, we heavies have been forced to put SP into Amarr heavies if we wanted to play as heavies. For some of us, all we do is heavy, so the choice was "Amarr" or "don't play Dust at all". Since I wanted to play Dust, I went with Amarr. However, if I can't pick the suit I've wanted since I started when 1.8 drops, I will be picking "don't play Dust at all". I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. CCP, do you think you can afford to alienate the playerbase any further? Do you want more than 1/2 the heavies to leave when you're finally giving us what we've been waiting years for? im with this guy only reason I specced into other things than heavy suits/ sry suit and weapons/ sry again one infantry specific weapon is because there wasn't any other things for me to get
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:12:00 - [413] - Quote Wouldn't it be funny if 1.8 was all back end changes and they didn't release any suits till 5/14. I would fall over dead laughing. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11249	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:17:00 - [414] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Wouldn't it be funny if 1.8 was all back end changes and they didn't release any suits till 5/14. I would fall over dead laughing. ESO will have been out for over a month at that point, so I wouldn't notice as I wouldn't have logged in for a bit over a month at that point. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:19:00 - [415] - Quote ESO? I am not getting it, sorry. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:22:00 - [416] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: ESO? I am not getting it, sorry. Elder Scrolls Online
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:26:00 - [417] - Quote I totally forgot about that one. Thanks. Skyrim made me so mad I said I would never play a Bethesna game again. They took my money and knowingly handed me a complete piece of crap. I knew the game would be buggy but never imagined it to be that bad. So I seriously doubt I will mess with it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:27:00 - [418] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I totally forgot about that one. Thanks. Skyrim made me so mad I said I would never play a Bethesna game again. They took my money and knowingly handed me a complete piece of crap. I knew the game would be buggy but never imagined it to be that bad. So I seriously doubt I will mess with it. Yeah I agree entirely, I'm a Morrowind purist. Any Elder Scrolls game after that cannot possibly live up to Morrowind's legacy.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:40:00 - [419] - Quote Bethesda makes fun games but they are very buggy. Fallout and The Elder Scrolls are good games but they are frustrating to play but the Skyrim thing is pretty unforgivable to me. They knew, hid it and then sold it while collecting money. I put my hours into it and got my money's worth but I am still mad. I understand that the PS3 is difficult and I can see how just by looking at the CPU architecture that it would take practice to write good code but they didn't even seem to try. Lots of developers write decent enough code to put out a PS3 title and they could have at least went to Sony and asked for help. Oh yeah, they did and it was fixed in a couple of months (I don't actually remember how long but I am thinking is was under three) Some of you may ask why do I play DUST when it has as many problems as it does. There are a lot of reasons why they are different and I will list them if you like. Just ask, I apparently have no problem splorking my junk opinions or incorrect assumptions on these forums. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 735	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:28:00 - [420] - Quote The only con I can see to having a respec is it rewarding "FotM" players, perticularly the bastard slayer logi who have made life more difficult for us real logis. However, there are far more pros than cons. Reasons for a SP reallocation: 1. It benefits the 3-6 month player more than the Beta vets. We Beta vets already recieved on respec at the beginning of Uprising and many of us are already at proto for a couple different suit classes and at least a couple weapons. We have enough SP to cover any "mistakes" 2. It will increase the diversity of infantry seen on the battlefield because not only do we have new racial suits, but the development team is tweaking stuff to make all dropsuits more viable and have overall done a good job of most of it (at least on paper) 3. It will entice some vets to return and increased player count is god for everybody. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.



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