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Aerius Corius
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:41:00 -
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+1 for Infantry Respec - you did it on vehicles after they were radically changed, why not here where 90% of the gameplay is?
EvE would indeed be horribly broken if this happened, but DUST is not EvE. We don't run the risk of ever industrial 5 year alt transforming into yet another super-cap pilot to add to the masses. This is not a 'break down once, break down always' argument either. DUST is still early in its development into a 'stable' shooter game. (Reference: plasma cannons, dropship costs, installations, one heavy suit set, only one set for a whole race (Caldari), proto-stomping...you get the idea.
Getting new players - and keeping the current ones - is ever so important right now to ensure continued development and polishing. The more people raging about X is broken or Y is OP, the more help the game gets. It's hard to try out all the new crap about to hit in 1.8 when our skills are locked into such a relatively small portion (the original gear) of the game.
A respec in DUST (especially with all the new suits coming for racials) is critical. Also, I think you'll see a fleshing out of play styles and suit types and even more vehicle users who can use any wasted sp there instead.
With the suits all fleshed out across all races, all that's left is fleshing out the racial vehicles. Once all races are on an even field in terms of available options, you end sp resetting forever - hence why you don't do it in EVE. Every new ship EvE gets is available to ALL races at the same distance. I imagine when vehicles get added to finalize the initial 12 (4 LAV, 4 HAV, 4 Drops - each race) you'll need another vehicle sp reset. Stat changes don't warrant a respec because they affect all racial variants or are targeted to maintain balance - not break it. If your xyz gun gets nerfed, too bad! It was OP but the nerf didn't break it - no respec. Likewise, if 123 gun gets buffed and you're not skilled for it, tough luck - its users needed the buff. No respec.
Get all four races on even footing - all suit variations and vehicle variations. 1.8 solves the suits, so respec for a clean restart - any new suit types will be added for all four races (EX: I doubt CCP will launch just the gallente pilot suit - it will do all four at once.). Then (maybe 1.9?) add the missing vehicles (Min/Amarr) and do one last vehicle reset. Done!
Remember: racial will matter even more after 1.8 for Faction Warfare because the loyalty stores are racial specific weapons!
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2014.02.23 21:08:00 -
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Brian LaFleur wrote:
Really? Every time, huh? Yeah, I can't recall the last time they changed dropsuit functions. I've been around since 1.4 and this is the first time it's happened to me.
You said changes in meta. Every balance change or content addition, by definition, will change the meta, if even slightly. Brian LaFleur wrote:Also, I've never had a full respec so I see no reason why I shouldn't get one since my allocation of skill points no longer do what they did when I applied them. This will happen all the time. You are free see this as a crippling issue. Others are free to not share this notion or beg to differ. Also balance is balance. Brian LaFleur wrote: A pointless power bring? That's exactly what I would call not having any say in what you spec into. It's like making a Mage character then midway through the game they make you a priest. Whenever major changes occur, they either let us change with it or deal with the backlash. It's simple, really. Yet another time: Bad balance is bad balance. You keep tieing balance into the discussion as if it had anything to do with respecs. It has not. Respecs merely both mask and at the same time amplify an issue that exists regardless. Also "major" is a useless term without a proper definition.Brian LaFleur wrote:There's no down side to a respec, period. There are only pro's. That's a bold assertion to make when I just explained some in detail a few posts earlier.Brian LaFleur wrote: I think an annual respec should be standard. Let's people optimize and correct their mistakes. You guys arguing against a respec make absolutely no sense. They totally can already. No skill is ever locked away under the current system.
Lastly, hardly anyone here is arguing against "A" respec. You are not arguing in favor of "A" respec right now either.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1790
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:30:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Basically confirmed.
Kinda.
Sorry CCP, but you don't put up a "Discussion Thread" on a topic without really putting your mind to the idea.
And your minds are a sticky as glue when it comes to ideas.
I wouldn't turn down a respec, but I don't think its necessary.
Translation- If you give me respec you make me extremely happy, but if you don't then it won't make me want to kill your Company Kitten.
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Egypt Musk
RisingSuns
145
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:28:00 -
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I have been waiting for the Cladari Heavy for along time +1 to an infantry respec I would give my pros and cons and effect of this happening but I am lazy and there valid arguments are all over this thread already do the right thing CCP allow the infantry the same curtsey you gave tank ds and lav users
ps .... 31 mill sp maxed all core skills ...I just want my suits and gun sp back due to new racial skills |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Proficiency V.
750
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:31:00 -
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HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED,
RESPEC CONFIRMED!
Buying all BALAC's SOONGäó (P2P Market PLEASE CCP)
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VonSpliff
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
45
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Posted - 2014.02.24 02:26:00 -
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F it! Let start at Zero! Everyone can cry all at once. Simple and easy fix. And I promise the vets will still stomp the poop out of your fits. Plus the heavies can be on top for a short while.
"Long live the Empress, unless you have some isk"
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
228
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Posted - 2014.02.24 03:46:00 -
[547] - Quote
Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2014.02.24 04:01:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. No one has even implied that this thread would do anything but streamline the discussion.
You should re-read the OP and manage your expectations.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1713
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Posted - 2014.02.24 04:23:00 -
[549] - Quote
Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1714
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:02:00 -
[550] - Quote
Necandi Brasil wrote:HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED,
RESPEC CONFIRMED!
vc quer comecar um novo filo sobre esse assunto no portugues? eu quero um respec. E o CCP nao querem dar-nos a justica mesmo. nos tinha desrepeitado.
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1714
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:05:00 -
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28 pages later and no response. Im starting a REAL respec discusion thread in general discusion. As long as people don't spam the general discusion forum with these threads it won't get locked. Since, CCP doesn't want to discuss it with us, we should be able to discuss it among ourselves in a free environment.
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Proficiency V.
760
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:07:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Necandi Brasil wrote:HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED,
RESPEC CONFIRMED! vc quer comecar um novo filo sobre esse assunto no portugues? eu quero um respec. E o CCP nao querem dar-nos a justica mesmo. nos tinha desrepeitado.
Nem se preocupe amigo, eles v+úo nos dar um respec 
Buying all BALAC's SOONGäó (P2P Market PLEASE CCP)
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1130
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:09:00 -
[553] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:28 pages later and no response. Im starting a REAL respec discusion thread in general discusion. As long as people don't spam the general discusion forum with these threads it won't get locked. Since, CCP doesn't want to discuss it with us, we should be able to discuss it among ourselves in a free environment. CCP Logibro wrote:Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted You too should re-read the OP, it seems.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2014.02.24 07:01:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage.
And you cant fix stupid
2 exile assault rifles,
Skinweave cal. frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame
Caldari Master Race
One day shields, soon.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1131
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Posted - 2014.02.24 08:49:00 -
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Just a little food for thought
This poll by CPM Jenza asked participants to order several features according to their own priorities, among which an aurum respec feature could be found.
It goes without saying that online polls are generally prone to selection bias and methodological flaws, like double voting.
Here's the current results, representing the average position (n=289):
3.8 PvE
4.1 Player Market
5.3 Racial Suit Parity
7.3 Enhanced new player experience
7.4 More Heavy Weapons
7.6 Planetary Conquest 2.0
7.8 Minmatar & Amar Vehicles
9.8 More Light Weapons
10.1 Private Matches
10.4 More Sidearm Weapons
10.4 Tieracide
10.8 VTOL Jets
10.9 Dust on PS4
11.2 Paint Bucket (custom suit/vehicle colours)
12.2 Stealth Module
13.7 Dust on Computer
13.8 EVE - Dust Unified forums
14.1 Aurum Respec Item (with restrictions)
Another poll by Ghost Kaisar asked specifically what, if any, kind of respec should happen with the release of 1.8
Here are the results (n=436):
26 No Respec
15 Dropsuit Command Respec
8 Dropsuit Command, AND Dropsuit Upgrades Respec
101 Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, AND Weapons Respec
286 Full Respec
Personal conclusion: While participating users expressed a general concensus in favor of a singular respec, come 1.8, probably due to the upcoming suit changes and the prospect of major content additions, a similar consensus seem to exist against respecs as a AUR game feature.
Again, due to the nature of both these polls, taking these results with a 1m-¦ brick of salt is recommended.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Dravok Silverblood
Tight Crew
6
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Posted - 2014.02.24 11:22:00 -
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I don't want a re-spec personally. EVE and DUST 514 should be cold and cruel like space. I do see a reason to allow for players to do a re-spec but make them pay for it. Literally
 First re-spec 20.00 USD
Second re-spec 30.00 USD
Third re-spec 40.00 USD
And keep that going at 10 USD increase till a cap out or maximum per year. I think one respec per month would be max.
Also i think anyone that respects starts with a new KDR. Life time war-points, and win-loss ratio. So people on the leader boards earn it by keeping there toon the same. not taking a cheaters short cut..
 And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1079
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Posted - 2014.02.24 13:02:00 -
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Dravok Silverblood wrote:And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game.
And that is how you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, since booster sales fall through the floor. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11500
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:15:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage.
This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion
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Kody Cole
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
59
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:37:00 -
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the only reason ppl don't want respecs is because they have 30 to 40 mil sp and have saved 3-5 mill sp for this 1.8 action.
they don't want all the new players and ppl who didn't save sp to compete with them because these ppl like to feel OVERPOWERED probably because there real life sucks and them feeling OVERPOWERED is the only joy in there life
I have 37 mill sp and i have saved 3 mill sp witch is enough to get a good start to 1.8 and im not worried about it at all il be fine. but all the new players that have like 12 mill sp cant afford to save because there still working on drop suit upgrades and maxing weapons and getting proto suits. new players will have even a bigger gap to cross to be able to compete with all these 30 mill plus toons and thus new players will just stop playing.
i think the fact that ppl are saving points to spend in 1.8 should q a respec in its own. you cant save points to spend for future eve skills(and you wouldn't have to because all the base ships are out unlike dust with missing drop suits and weps)
if i started this game and all the suits were out my skill points would be distributed very differently let alone changing stats and bonuses witch is a key reason why ppl spec into certain suits in the first place.
A respec would help the new players more then the old (mainly because most ppl screw up and spend points in skills they dont want) new players would be able to spend there points more wisely
but if they don't il be fine with it because il have such a superior toon to wipe the floor with all these 12 mill sp noobs and i guess ccp roles like that. |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
116
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:08:00 -
[560] - Quote
Yes, I would like a respec. It just seems like a given with all the changes to suits, bonuses, and equipment.
I would love a respec and I'm sure everyone that's specedd into swarms would love the chance to wield a forge gun now.
CCP fix PC your core game mode
Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1134
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:12:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion Lord Neckbeard does not seem pleased Argumentum ad popolum. A popular idea isn't necessarily a good idea. Inversely, being the minority does not mean someone's wrong, especially when we're talking about several, superficially similar but really completely different positions that are falsely lumped together.
I also wrote up a post that highlights some of the issues I see wirth recurring respecs and would appreciate your musings regarding them.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1478
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:46:00 -
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Kody Cole wrote:the only reason ppl don't want respecs is because they have 30 to 40 mil sp and have saved 3-5 mill sp for this 1.8 action.
they don't want all the new players and ppl who didn't save sp to compete with them because these ppl like to feel OVERPOWERED probably because there real life sucks and them feeling OVERPOWERED is the only joy in there life
I have 37 mill sp and i have saved 3 mill sp witch is enough to get a good start to 1.8 and im not worried about it at all il be fine. but all the new players that have like 12 mill sp cant afford to save because there still working on drop suit upgrades and maxing weapons and getting proto suits. new players will have even a bigger gap to cross to be able to compete with all these 30 mill plus toons and thus new players will just stop playing.
i think the fact that ppl are saving points to spend in 1.8 should q a respec in its own. you cant save points to spend for future eve skills(and you wouldn't have to because all the base ships are out unlike dust with missing drop suits and weps)
if i started this game and all the suits were out my skill points would be distributed very differently let alone changing stats and bonuses witch is a key reason why ppl spec into certain suits in the first place.
A respec would help the new players more then the old (mainly because most ppl screw up and spend points in skills they dont want) new players would be able to spend there points more wisely
but if they don't il be fine with it because il have such a superior toon to wipe the floor with all these 12 mill sp noobs and i guess ccp roles like that.
lol
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1478
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:52:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please.
You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
234
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:39:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Guess what boyos, Logibro was on forum, but he completely ignore this thread. Im done with CCPs ignorance. No one has even implied that this thread would do anything but streamline the discussion. You should re-read the OP and manage your expectations.
Crushing majority is for full respec, that seems like MONOLOG for me. Not a DISCUSSION what was anounced by logibro. DISCUSSION, just by oratorical measures, CONTAINS two sided conversation ergo DIALOG. Without any CCP responce its just yelling to the wind, nothing else. No discussion at all.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
234
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:41:00 -
[565] - Quote
Dravok Silverblood wrote:I don't want a re-spec personally. EVE and DUST 514 should be cold and cruel like space. I do see a reason to allow for players to do a re-spec but make them pay for it. Literally First re-spec 20.00 USD Second re-spec 30.00 USD Third re-spec 40.00 USD And keep that going at 10 USD increase till a cap out or maximum per year. I think one respec per month would be max. Also i think anyone that respects starts with a new KDR. Life time war-points, and win-loss ratio. So people on the leader boards earn it by keeping there toon the same. not taking a cheaters short cut.. And thus everyone is happy and CCP gets a pay check for an underfunded game.
I' ll NEVER put money, for someone elses DECISSIONS.
If i run over someone, do CCP pay for it..NO.
Thats reason why will not pay for anything in unfixed/unfinished game.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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Western Ways
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Agreed, this thread is for stubborn know it alls and whiners. It is only here to vent and stop RESPEC threads. It is a good place to keep all this garbage. This thread isnt for you, though I am sorry youre the clear minority in the discussion Lord Neckbeard does not seem pleased
lol
That was funny as ufck. You sir, have definitely made my afternoon.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
105
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:46:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Eldest Dragon wrote:After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset.
If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) 
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
758
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:53:00 -
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Quote:all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respect.
So does that mean that all other respect threads are invalid?
If that's true...then you could have also stickied an existing thread because everything that was and needed to be said is already been said for over half a year already. That and just LOCK other threads instead of taking these stupid measurements because CCP can't keep up with keeping the forum in line with their own rules.
Just shows that giving feedback is useless and that the following phrase mouthed by CCP means jack ****: "We do read and take into consideration any feedback that you guys give us".
Not that it's anything new, it's going to be painful to read the 1.8 feedback threads after you guys listened to that too, but what do you guys care, you never really read or respond to these kind of threads. |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1138
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:15:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Eldest Dragon wrote:After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.*
Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If, yes then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary.
If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth.
* I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1717
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:37:00 -
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The only thing good to come out of this thread.
Great video. It really cracked me up.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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