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Tallen Ellecon wrote:

Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs.

Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money.

Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything.

So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive.


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Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 20	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:32:00 - [1] - Quote Positives for Respec: -Possible Player Base returning. -Allow people to play what they are comfortable with (suit/wep combo) and enjoy -Give people something new to spark their interests -Allow mistakes to be corrected to make a more competitive community -Fix the "Flavor of the Month" Nerfs -Fair treatment due to the Vehicle Respec Negatives of Respec: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) -Players will have to redo everything they know (people fear change) -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them There are many positives and negatives to a respec. I for one am for a respec however, it is not my decision to make just request. As a game developer they can't just throw respecs out everytime the community demands it. We all earned our SP and CHOSEto spend it, not CCP although they did chose to change said spent skills. Everyone that spent their SP did so full well and knowingly that this type of game has updates that can change the very fabric of its well being. I truly believe CCP will make the right decision but the people acting like children demanding crap before their birthday isn't going to help the situation. I understand that CCP is the supplier and we're the consumer and the supplier has to attempt to make the consumer happy but it's time for people to attempt to be respectful. That's all i gots to say about all this hoop-lah. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 22	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:42:00 - [2] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) ^ 20M+ SP players do already have several weapons and suits to run. They will only get marginally better than the guy with 5M SP that has to focus getting that first suit up and running with core skills. Linky: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147023&find=unread The argument above failed. Lunatic Kota wrote: -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them ^ Flavor of the month will happen, not because there is a respec, but because of CCPs slow updates to balance weapons and dropsuits. Even without a respec, many vets might already have the OP suit/weapon (OP stuff can be buffed items as well), or they saved 3-5M SP to spec into new stuff when the patch hits, because they already have so many weapons and suits. This argument also failed. That leaves you with 6 pro-¦s for and 1 con against a respec. I was just trying to throw some random points together. I whole heartedly agree with you but my statements I suppose were very broad. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:59:00 - [3] - Quote I would remain hopeful of a respec. With a full reset of talents CCP knows some of the player base that left due to the lack of "shiny new things" will return. A bigger player base allows for more money and it makes the developers look good. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 34	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:26:00 - [4] - Quote I think most people are just simply disappointed. I am happy I am getting something. CCP didn't have to give us anything to be completely honest and people bashing DEVs on this forum page isn't going to help our situation. I think this community would be better if people would actually attempt to act like adults instead of walking around feeling like they are owed something. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:17:00 - [5] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. I honestly just believe people are mad that their Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles are getting nerfed and they want their points back for Mass Drivers and SCRs. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:46:00 - [6] - Quote I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:16:00 - [7] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: I understand. I know it sucks and it's a little disappointing but everyone knew the new suits would be implemented eventually and people spent their SP knowing they may never get it back. Cubs, for example, hasn't invested in the sentinel knowing he may never get that SP back ( I understand that we are discussing weapons.) With this event and all events to follow it WILL ALLOW for people to have a cache of SP for people to spend. CCP is doing their best to prepare people for the gamestyle they wish to play. People will end up using their invested SP. I have Prof 5 in SCR and I do not plan on using it much come 1.8. To be honest and as dumb as it sounds I will probably be investing in Cald Commando which has no grenade slot and I also have Gren 5 haha. I think this game has come a long way and still is moving forward, just not at the pace at which people are wanting (that's life freaking deal with it.) But there is people like me, the purists. I dont want stuff from other race on my suit. And spec in that because there wasnt other chance. Now with that ne implements and posibilities i can put points, what i grind in what i wanted before. Sadly i cant swap scramble pistol for bolt what honestly really pises me off. But i still believe there will be some chance. I can completely understand. You have two weeks worth of SP/Bonus SP and Event SP. You can't tell me you want have atleast 2-3 mil for the launch There's a message in my Cheerios!
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:24:00 - [8] - Quote I'm just trying to stay positive and hopeful for the game bud. Disappointment is a plague that must be checked before it spreads. There's a message in my Cheerios!