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Sam Tektzby wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

Sam Tektzby wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

Sam Tektzby wrote:

Iam already out of this discussion.
Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character.
I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills.
Than just looking on them in wrong tier.

I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec.

I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol.
Nothing else.
And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them.
I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit.

Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this.

Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry.
(issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one)
And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie.
And this think really making me crazy.
Have something what is no longer have proper point.
Thats all.
Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection.
How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD.
Its something what really disturbs me.
And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel.
Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted.
Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself.

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Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 414	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:16:00 - [1171] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation... Im really intested why this decision too. There was voice of many. Hell we were like Legion from bible. But CCP somehow didnt agree with that. Im really intersted why this decision, even if majority was for something else. I dont know if its a big deal for them and i bet its not. Why if suit are fine, why not same with weapons. We talking here about special situation. And they made this "cut". I still cant avvept that decision. Its like trying to say something to deff person. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:18:00 - [1172] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Honestly, you guys need to give it a rest. The vast majority of the forum community agrees with you, but the decision has been made. The constant recurring whining will change nothing. So please, for the love of God, knock it off! You're allowing it to happen? God, this is why most of the government is taking your liberties, you can't let this crap happen, either if it's a company, corporation or government. I am? Man, I can't wait to hear this explanation... I don't need to explain to you on what the government is doing, unless you've been keeping up-to-date on what the heck is happing on our planet. But you obviously don't know how business works, if a customer doesn't like a decision that a company made, the company need to listen & revoke that decision, to gain respect from the community.
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 23	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:37:00 - [1173] - Quote Honestly ... I expected more of you could at least give us some reasonable explanation, which does not have to do with money ... What happened, technical problems? It's hard to do? Or it is just to make more money? It really is a big disappointment on your part do this to us, I do not, but there are many players who have been faithful to you since the BETA and do not want to return anything. I really lost respect for you CCP, did not think we would arrive to do besides that and we overcame the 50 pages of comments, all of them giving a reason to give us a refund. Regards and good lock "winning" money "honestly" Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 1993	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:41:00 - [1174] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So SP refund aside... WTF is tthe CPM??? They definately aren't listening, just some old angry vets ** blocking the game having a fresh start here. After all in the Dev blog; "After lengthy discussions with the CPM". Put your hands up if you see any CPM members playing the *** game. I sure as hell haven't. Saw IWS months back, he brought a crappy missile tank out, get roflstomped and left battle. This is all on CCP. I haven't seen a single CPM member that was not in favor of a full infantry respec. There might be one somewhere, but the CPM even made forum threads saying we needed respecs (Kane). CCP heard both the CPM and us ask for a respec, and called the partial thing they gave us "listening". Seems to me like CCP are scared of offending or upsetting the veterans of Dust514, lost protecting a past while the games future disintegrates. The drop suit refund does allow all players to try new suits. It does favor the vets due to the fact they have the core skills needed to run just about anysuit. They aren't worried their weapon will be ** in 1.8, due to the fact the have proficiency in several others. Maybe you've run snipers since you started a few months ago, and are now faced with being the laughing stock of the community, its very doubtful you have the weapons and core skills to pull of completely and efficiently switching roles.. Us vets really have no worries, we have had several refunds and plenty of time to understand where to put our points, and in a lot of vet cases, the only worry about SP placement is finding a skill you don't have yet. Meanwhile the newer players who are left to pick up the pieces of poor choice not through their own idiocy, but through the game's complete clusterf*ck of poor information. Look at the district locking hotfix, they managed to leave that one from being fixed just long enough for most vets to be beyond loaded. It's irreversible and will be the killer of the game. New corps will be elbow smashed in the ears before they could even dream of actually taking a real district, or fully competing in PC, Newer players will have no way to compete in a player market if one was ever placed in. or look at BPO's the took them out once all the vets got theirs.. This respec isn't an issue, but it sure does help outline CCP's priorities for the game, they are very short sighted, designing the game in the wrong order, with no care or knowledge of the games future. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 716	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:31:00 - [1175] - Quote Disappointed to not see additional refunds, especially with the link between weapons and many suits now. I can understand CCP not wanting people to do the "I am going Caldari Heavy from my Gallente Logistics because of the respec." The respec should be about letting people that couldn't be X or Y Heavy/Light Suits being able to change into that suit. However, there is a problem with the people that have five million SP or so. They may have wanted to go Minmatar Commando but couldn't so they are using an Amarr Commando. The are also using an Assault Rifle because it is what they liked. With the Dropsuit Command respec, can they really go Minmatar Commando like they were Amarr Commando before? Not really because they need Combat Rifle now. If they had thirty million SP it wouldn't nearly be as much of a problem but they don't; they have five million. Saying that the event makes up for the additional SP is kind of the wrong way of looking at it. If our Amarr -> Minmatar friend stays as a Commando, he he being 'punished for switching' because he has to spend the theoretical one million SP to really be a Minmatar Commando. Someone that isn't changing anything about themselves doesn't 'get punished' because they can use that theoretical one million SP on whatever they want. Yes, it is a bonus but think of it like this. If I give two people five thousand dollars and said "have fun", let's assume how they may spend it. One person is fairly well off already so they will use it for a booze and debauchery filled weekend in Vegas. The other person uses it to pay off their bills. One is being able to burn it however they want, wherever they want while the other is having to do a necessary purchase. If you are switching to a different race within the same role, you are probably going to have to do a necessary purchase. I think the risk of the Logistics -> Heavy was worth the risk of at least refunding weapons as well. Of course, this thread is probably not being read or moderated anymore as the decision was made so I could have better spent the time teaching my cat to juggle.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 225	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:42:00 - [1176] - Quote Fifty-nine pages of whine, and counting. Sorry for the interuption please continue. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12224	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:49:00 - [1177] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP might aswell close this thread It was pointless from the beginning LONG LIVE LEVEL R!!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1252	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:48:00 - [1178] - Quote "Hello echo!" A faint but angry set of voices resounds from the abyss: "FULL RESPEC.......Respec....respec......" You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 334	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:50:00 - [1179] - Quote HAHA, nearly 60 pages of this respect talk, can't see CCP going through all this and listening to us. DO A WEAPON RESPEC TOO, FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE FROM HEAVY TO SCOUT AND LOCKED IN HMG'S OR VISI VERSA IS JUST LAME CCP...... AS IF THEY'LL EVEN READ THIS FAR IN. LOL\ The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 415	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:13:00 - [1180] - Quote How i saw today thread in general about weapons and posible future inplements. Maybe there is a reason, because there is not full implements in weaponry. But if CCP just tell us something like:"There will be future implement around weaponry what will include weapon respec.", i will gladly shut up and wait. But till that time there will be just more and more posts and threads about. Why they just dont tell us something instead waiting behind closed doors. That secrecy is just contraproductive, nothing else. With better transparency and more open discussion with community, we can achieve better than this. Because this is just making bad blood here, between company and us, the player base and finaly even between us like players. Situation like these just making more and more trolls and bigger amount of "A-r-s-c-h-l-o-ch" type of persons here. With better responce will arive better feel between community and company. Without that there will be just feeling like CCP hiding somewhere from us, like other intentions and we will be just step from unhealthy paranoia. Just give us more info CCP, cooperate with us, hell we are community of your game, your baby. There is nothing bad on transparency and Kameradenship. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG

Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:35:00 - [1181] - Quote Everyone should stear clear of this game for a whole week after 1.8 drops .. the only way CCP will ever listen to the players is if there is a huge decrease in player numbers
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 419	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:37:00 - [1182] - Quote Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:55:00 - [1183] - Quote People seriously need to HTFU. I believe it was Pope John Paul II that said "Tough *******." If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 87	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:05:00 - [1184] - Quote Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? Proud Commando/ARC Instructor "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 424	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:30:00 - [1185] - Quote Thanjac wrote: Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? CPM i think Iron Wolfie boyo told me today this: #23 Posted: 2014.03.13 20:59 \| Report \| Edited by: Iron Wolf Saber "I don't think a full respec of weapons will ever happen though. Save some of your points for future guns, which should be a thing of constant. Lucky for us we CAN save SP over time. Eve Pilots don't get that luxury at all." It seem like its done. P.s.:there is original Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 68	Posted - 2014.03.14 05:27:00 - [1186] - Quote You guys should ask nicely: "Full infantry respec please~" After all you do catch more Devs with honey than you do with harsh sarcasm and death treats ^_^ *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1603	Posted - 2014.03.14 06:09:00 - [1187] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 488	Posted - 2014.03.14 07:22:00 - [1188] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Thanjac wrote: Hey CCP, have you decided if dropsuits are the only thing getting a respec, or are you still deciding on the dropsuit upgrades and weapons? CPM i think Iron Wolfie boyo told me today this: #23 Posted: 2014.03.13 20:59 \| Report \| Edited by: Iron Wolf Saber "I don't think a full respec of weapons will ever happen though. Save some of your points for future guns, which should be a thing of constant. Lucky for us we CAN save SP over time. Eve Pilots don't get that luxury at all." It seem like its done. P.s.:there is original IWS is possibly the most useless CSM of them all. He is constantly wrong about stuff over and over again, but never admits it. I can not wait until we actually have a CSM election. I will not be running, but I will definately campaign hard against IWS should he try to get re-elected. Anyway, eve pilots have and will always have racial parity. The moment something is released, it is released for all four races simultaneously. That is the reason why there is never any respecs there. Many of us have spent money on what is essentially a beta, in the hopes of seeing this game to fruition and beyond. To not allow us to respec when the full gamut of choices becomes available is a slap in the face, and a sure fire way to jade players. I mean why spend any sp on a role if your race doesn't have those tools yet. Like the amarr purists, I hope you enjoy 3 whole weapons (two light and one sidearm) for the next 6+ months, the same ones you have been using for the last year. Oh, and no skilling into grenades either because god knows if amarr will ever get one. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 29	Posted - 2014.03.14 12:49:00 - [1189] - Quote Hahaha if you give a mouse a cookie =ƒÿï=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 441	Posted - 2014.03.14 14:55:00 - [1190] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1969	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:35:00 - [1191] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 40	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:41:00 - [1192] - Quote Dropsuit respec only? R U joking? Why tankers could change whole skill tree and we can't. Please make full respec or forget about it. What about Swarms? Lock distance is quite ok but dmg is lame. I put sp on amarr logi because it's (was)best logi for tank killing. Now it's useless. Even wyrkomi swarms are so slow and low dmg that militia tank can easy escape. Dropship will even don't care as long recharger is on. LAV after first hit will escape until anybody could lock it again.I made heavy and forge gun because my role as logi av backup with swarms R over. I will change logi type because amarr bonus does not sat me. I don't need those plastic rockets on different logi. Many people spend sp on weapons or equpiment that were related with their fits. Now it brings more chaos than any good thing. Please think about it. U are giving me opportunity to change fit but if I will do that some of my stuff will be useless on different suit.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 443	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:09:00 - [1193] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry. (issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one) And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie. And this think really making me crazy. Have something what is no longer have proper point. Thats all. Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection. How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD. Its something what really disturbs me. And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel. Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted. Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 69	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:25:00 - [1194] - Quote Now that a Dropsuit Command refund is confirmed, we can work on other areas. A weaponry refund is needed. In 1.7 new guns were added, and more are coming in 1.8. The triple sp week was supposed to make up for the CR and RR and 1mil clone event is supposed to make up for the new sidearms. At the time i was saving for level 5 electronics and engineering and used that sp from the triple sp week and a few passive boosters and acquired the wanted skills. It was unfair that that event was supposed to cover the fact that the old place holder ARs were replaced with the proper racial variants. Also, come 1.8 proficiency is being changed. With those changes proficiency is not the same as it used to be, therefore we should have a choice to change those skills. Those are my reasons, please think about it CCP. -Open Beta Vet-15.5 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:42:00 - [1195] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. I dotn understand, i just dont want these points if there is already caldari pistol. Nothing else. And if there is no possibility for reskill on bolt, why i will have them. I basicaly dont want see this never more use points on my purist suit. Geez. I really can't compensate the entitlement in this thread. You rather delete skillpoints entirely instead of having them in something you might want to use later? I seriously can't wrap my head around this. Nope i will not use that again, i wnat to go for full caldari with is own weaponry. (issue was points in amarr scramble pistol what i wanted to put in the bolt pistol, like my racial one) And honestly i know im somehow different, because im aspie. And this think really making me crazy. Have something what is no longer have proper point. Thats all. Its basicaly that neverending aspie run for perfection. How one of boyos told before what really fits for it, its basicaly like OCD. Its something what really disturbs me. And thats was reason why i called for weapons aswel. Now when i know its imposible, i will rather see that points deleted. Its ame like if there is something really itchy on your skin and you just cant scratch yourself. Instead of trying to be a complicated arse about it just Scott Baiomass this character and start a new Sam Tektzby if you really want to be a purist. There had to be some point in time where you either had the Scram Pistol and decided to be all Caldari or were trying to be all Caldari and said "Ooooo! Scrambler Pistol, I guess you'll have to do." And just because you specc'd into something doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. Unless you foolishly bought 50 of them...... which I did for my commando... I bought 50 rep tools, so now I'm part Rep-mmando. If fists were food you'd be full right now.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 447	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:10:00 - [1196] - Quote Grow up boyo Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator/Logician BHD since MAG
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 15	Posted - 2014.03.15 14:13:00 - [1197] - Quote This is still going? Good lord.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 29	Posted - 2014.03.15 14:45:00 - [1198] - Quote Hahahahahahha he =ƒÖè=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÿ¥
Kaan Raskil Raskil Tribe 6	Posted - 2014.03.15 16:01:00 - [1199] - Quote For the sake of pitching in here's my take on the respec topic. (Sorry if I didn't read all 60 pages first hand, it's pretty long) I've created Kaan and got 4 starter kits. Minmatar militia medium frame Assault Rifle / Swarm Launcher / Sniper Rifle Scrambler Pistol / Submachine gun So, depending on your play style, you stick to one of those fits, learn to play, and fit it accordingly. As a Frontline type of player, I've spent LOTS of points in the Assault Rifle. As the game evolved and I got slightly better, I've started spending points in my Dropsuit. I went the way of the Minmatar Assault (5 pts). The bonus is that I have more shield regen and more SMG ammo. When the Combat rifles debuted, I've started skilling them up but, it's such a shame that I have like, close to 3 million SP invested in assault rifles and to know that I'd need a Gallente suit in 1.8 to truly optimize it. In my mind, a Respec should be given with every major skill changes. After the Vehicle respec, I've invested the bare minimum to be "efficient" with a LAV. 1 pt in LAV, and a few pts in Small Blaster turrets. I'm waiting for the Minmatar vehicles before I invest more.
Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:02:00 - [1200] - Quote 60 Pages and no DEV has explained why they came to their dumb decision .. And you expect us to believe that you listen to the community ...CPM= Useless DEVS = useless



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