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The Robot Devil
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Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. They are having a hard time with delivering rewards to everyone. I think CCP is doing a great job with the limited resources they have. You think you deserve a respec you say you would come back or stay if they do. I haven't left. I have spent hundreds of dollars in support of this game. Not to pay 2 win but because this is a business! If they can't turn a profit it won't go on. I would rather they spend their precious time developing PvE, different modes, and improved gameplay. Don't give me a respec because I have some useless suits and weapons, rather spend time on core gameplay and additional content!
This is the best post of the entire thread. All other posts should be ignored and his post put in its place. You are 100% correct and good job for putting it into words.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
First of all you get unlimited SP anyways, contrary to the limited amount of skillpoints you have in other MMOs. Meaning you can't waste SP. You spent 2 Million on a weapon you don't use anymore? Who cares? Might come in handy later. Core skills apply to every suit anyways and if you want to spec into some new shiny item it takes a week or 2 at max with capping out to get it to advanced level, allowing you to use proto gear from the LP store.
"Wasted" SP just give you more variety. More to chose from for your fittings. I don't see how you can even call that wasted. And as soon as you hit maybe 10 - 15 Million SP you start speccing into stuff you don't use all the time anyways.
Also allowing respecs would make the skillsystem obsolete. Because of the amount of SP you amass over time. A respec would mean that you can instantly reallocate all your SP yo you're always the best with the fitting you're using. Having maxed out all important things all the time.
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
Most people who want a respec are most of the time people who haven't been playing very long yet. Because when you have a certain amount of SP you just don't care that much anymore. You just start thinking: "What do I want to try out next time? This sounds nice! Let's see: I need x SP to max it out. This means I can use the proto stuff in Y weeks." Does this mean new chars should be able to respec? No. If you're uncertain you want a skill create a new char and try it out with your 500k SP.
I too have "wasted" SP how so many people call it. And I mean a lot. I have a few million in Assault Rifles I don't use. I have a few million in Caldari suits I don't use. Heck: I maxed out Caldari logistics and got Caldari assault to 3. I have an Amarr logistic on Level 3. I have several million SP in combat rifles which I don't use because I hate the Burst Fire variant and I only run Std gear most of the time. And I too would know places these SP would work better. But who the hell cares? In the next few months I hit the point where I wouldn't know how to spend my SP anyways and I would start spending it on stuff like other suits and so on.
And the typical argument "Yeah. They should give a respec because racial variants." and so on doesn't make any sense either. I mean yeah. They could do that and then you can finally use your Caldari Heavy suit instantly. But wouldn't that be unfair when new stuff comes out? Maybe I really want to use a Sisters of Eve suit which may or may not be introduced at a later point. I too want a respec then because it's unfair if I don't get one. I mean you got one for Racial suits too. And like you I didn't "Have the possibility to skill into that suit which is using a role that didn't exist." But that's just not how the game works. What kind of argument is that anyways? When Ewar is introduced with new special suits I want a respec too! I always wanted to sue Ewar but it didn't exist! So what? Deal with it. Save up your SP when it's announced. Spec into it when it gets released. As simple as that.
And I mean seriously: We know about the new suits and weapons which will probably introduced with 1.8 for how long now? A month? Or even 2? If you want to use them instantly save up. It's not that hard. What do you spend your SP on all the time when you know there's a suit coming out soon which you REALLY want? What are you doing with your SP you get all the time while you go to the forums and request respecs? I am REALLY wondering. Because I see people wanting respecs all the time but not a single one answers this question when I ask. Do you use these SP for skills you don't want anyways? I really don't have another answer. Because if you would just use these SP for the shiny new weapon you now really want then you wouldn't have any reason to demand a respec. My favorite are the people who start creating a new character because the "skilled the wrong skills". Seriously? It's easier for you to start a new character with 500k SP instead of capping out for 2 weeks?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:47:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:52:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea.
But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:53:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec.
It went by just fine with the vehicle respec
People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou.
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The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec
That doesn't mean it didn't waste resources. It just means that it wasn't all borked up when they released it.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:56:00 -
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Mahal Daj wrote:Secondary to the "yes or no" conversation: if there is a respec, can we opt out to maintain our current skill trees? Or possibly get an email/evemail with our current trees so we can rebuild accurately?
Daj
if they make it a support ticket respec then this wont be a problem. although for them blanket respecs are easier. if, there will be a respec CCP will give the date of the respec and you'll have time to notate what you have now.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou.
Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place?
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The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:59:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec.
I totally agree.
It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:01:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff
so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec.
if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost".
besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:01:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. I totally agree. It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different.
Not to mention that many people act like they can only spec into one suit and one suit only.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:03:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place?
Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time.
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost".
They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:04:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place?
because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder.
us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break?
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time.
So? You wanted Gallente Heavy. You wanted a scout suit. Why spec into assault then? Why spec into Amarr heavy? Why didn't you use your skillpoints on coreskills first? Why does that deny you speccing into Gallente heavy when he's available? Why didn't you spec into scout suits? because they were stomped? So what? It's more than obvious that the game will get even more balancing patches in the future. And this was also obvious before. You shouldn't spec into the FOTM, you should spec into what you want to play.
D legendary hero wrote:
because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder.
us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break?
YOu always have a choice and even if that choice is "I'll save up SP for when the stuff comes out." And yes: YOu knew they were coming for a year. It wasn't some kind of "I wonder if they will add them at some point."
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition.
Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff.
There is a huge difference between the two.
And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules.
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The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Personally I don't even see the need for a respec when all the missing racial stuff gets released. It's just new items. New items which will get added all the time in the future. If you didn't want that Assault suit you're currently using in the irst place, then why did you spec into it? Because you didn't have a choice? So what. You could've used all your SP to max out core skills first.
This is one of the few reasons that we should get a refund on dropsuit SP. If they had rolled them out one at a time then I wouldn't agree but if they do all at one time then I do think it would be a good idea. But why? We will get more suits later too. We will get Pilot suits. We even may get pirate faction suits later. If racial variety justifys a respec then why wouldn't that justify one? As I said: You want racial suits, then save up now. There is still enough time to get enough SP to instantly spec into proto level when the suits come out. New items don't justify respecs. And the addition of MAVs and VTOLs will also hardly justify another vehicle respec. I totally agree. It is perception, with all the racial suits out it makes us feel like we had choices. Faction suits make us feel like we have options. They could get away easier with faction stuff because it is not viewed as core gear by most players. But you are correct and I am not trying to do anything but define why faction may be viewed as different. Not to mention that many people act like they can only spec into one suit and one suit only.
I think I have four suits at advanced and none at proto. The price isn't worth it. I the only prototype things I use anymore is the rep tool and light damage mod. Everything else I use is advance or under.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:06:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place? Gallente Heavy wasn't in the game, and scouts were getting nerfed by performance fixes for the longest time. So? You wanted Gallente Heavy. You wanted a scout suit. Why spec into assault then? Why spec into Amarr heavy? Why didn't you use your skillpoints on coreskills first? Why does that deny you speccing into Gallente heavy when he's available? Why didn't you spec into scout suits? because they were stomped? So what? It's more than obvious that the game will get even more balancing patches in the future. And this was also obvious before. You shouldn't spec into the FOTM, you should spec into what you want to play.
You're talking out of your ass.
So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff. There is a huge difference between the two. And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules.
No there's no difference. New items get added. THat's it. Backlog or not. Pilot suits are also backlogged stuff. And CCP probably has at least ideas for new suits.
And that still doesn't change the way suits are played. Oh wait. It does: You can't use LOGISTICS as ASSAULTS that easily anymore. But if you specced into logistics because you wanted a slayer logi it was your fault to begin with.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:09:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition.
regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else.
the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this...
minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem.
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. Infantry isn't getting new stuff in 1.8, they're getting backlogged stuff. There is a huge difference between the two. And this of course ignores the sweeping changes to EVERY suit, and likely weapons, along with many equipments and possible even modules. No there's no difference. New items get added. THat's it. Backlog or not. Pilot suits are also backlogged stuff. And CCP probably has at least ideas for new suits. And that still doesn't change the way suits are played. Oh wait. It does: You can't use LOGISTICS as ASSAULTS that easily anymore. But if you specced into logistics because you wanted a slayer logi it was your fault to begin with.
Assume
That's all you seem to do
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DUST Fiend wrote:So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period.
Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills.
Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place.
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place.
Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that.
GG bro no re.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:13:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else. the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this... minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem.
No. There's a difference between losing SP because of a change and not using them anymore because it's your own decision.
This doesn't affect the skilltree. It affects the suits. And it doesn't change the suits intended role.
So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose?
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re.
Out of arguments already?
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General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
You're talking out of your ass.
So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
+1
They were told to suck it up from day one and play that particular style or get lost. I have to agree with scouts and heavies that they deserve a refund. They weren't offered a choice of core suit line up. I could and have argued the opposite but I think now is the best time to refund SP for suits if they are going to introduce the core racial line up. It may not be right but I do think it is what is best for the game at this particular time if they do release ALL the suits at once in the way in which we are speculating them be and with the changes we think are going to happen.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:stuff
so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy?
are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count.
face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute?
working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count).
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:15:00 -
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Nearly every player is in agreement that a respec should happen. What remains is CCP's feelings on the issue. And I doubt their feelings have changed.
Understand... if we don't get a respec this forces a number of people who want the new stuff to buy boosters to get it faster. CCP wants that. Especially since every major release is aimed primarily at increasing booster sales. This being probably the most major release since uprising itself, to give a respec now would be absolutely unacceptable from their marketing standpoint.
So basically, a thing needs to happen for the good of the game, and some of the devs probably agree, but it wont because marketing. Still a better love story than Twilight. |
Al the destroyer
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou.
I'm not holier than thou. I'm not trying to keep your I'll placed sp from you. If they just respec drop suit command I will have a ton of sp to spend. I'm a logi the first logi suit I had was a callogi prenerf. I do not use that suit at all anymore as I do not slay. I stand to gain way more from a respec than you I've seen your DS vids. I only want what is best for this game. I'm curious what is it that you would spend your freed up sp on, and how often do you think you deserve a respec? Every time something is added, or changed?
Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:18:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Nearly every player is in agreement that a respec should happen. What remains is CCP's feelings on the issue. And I doubt their feelings have changed.
Understand... if we don't get a respec this forces a number of people who want the new stuff to buy boosters to get it faster. CCP wants that. Especially since every major release is aimed primarily at increasing booster sales. This being probably the most major release since uprising itself, to give a respec now would be absolutely unacceptable from their marketing standpoint.
So basically, a thing needs to happen for the good of the game, and some of the devs probably agree, but it wont because marketing. Still a better love story than Twilight.
Or it forces smart consumers to realize that the money they're spending is being spent on things that will very likely be entirely altered without their consent, and they will have no option but to stick with CCPs decision.
It will more than likely reduce the sale of boosters because who spends money on something when they don't even know what they're getting?
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