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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:49:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question.
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then 12 months of core skills? im am just baffled at how you think that is fun or even possible without picking some sort of suit. 
And I ask again:
Was it fun playing with the suit you used? If yes. Then there is no problem. If no, then I wonder why you did keep playing.
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The Robot Devil
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D legendary hero wrote:so, you are encouraging people to leave this game? illustration1 if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them 
Only the vehicles have fundamentally changed. The skill and bonuses for infantry have changed little to none and they were all balance issues that needed to be done.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:51:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum?
Stuff that doesn't make sense isn't making sense in any other language.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:51:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Wow. Now that's childish. So you just don't want to spend your SP because you would have a suit you don't want to use anymore? I really... I really don't know what to say about that. That also doesn't make any sense at all. The stuff you want is there. You can use it. Instead you cry for a respec. I... really.... the **** are you thinking?
My face hurts from hitting it against this brick wall so much.
I think my brain is bleeding.
Let's just agree to disagree, I think that's the best we're going to come to here.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? Wow. Now that's childish. So you just don't want to spend your SP because you would have a suit you don't want to use anymore? I really... I really don't know what to say about that. That also doesn't make any sense at all. The stuff you want is there. You can use it. Instead you cry for a respec. I... really.... the **** are you thinking? My face hurts from hitting it against this brick wall so much. I think my brain is bleeding. Let's just agree to disagree, I think that's the best we're going to come to here.
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?
Yes it is right and yes it is fun.
It is right because time spent in game should come with rewards
It is fun because all games are just a repetitive grind to an end goal. People call it grind in a bad way because they want it all exactly when the want it. They don't like having to put forth effort and spend time playing a game to make the game better. They want a win button and they want to change it as soon as the next and better win button is released. It is laziness in its purest form.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum? Stuff that doesn't make sense isn't making sense in any other language.
to the contrary many expressions that dnt make sense when translated make perfect sense in the original language.
main point. You have commited youself to your ideas. they make sense to you.
You have presented me no reasons to beleive a respec would be unjust. therefore, i have not changed my mind. since any further input or response would clear waste time. out of respect for both your time and mine, i will no longer respond. I agree to disagree.
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Awry Barux
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:D legendary hero wrote:so, you are encouraging people to leave this game? illustration1 if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get.... thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them Only the vehicles have fundamentally changed. The skill and bonuses for infantry have changed little to none and they were all balance issues that needed to be done.
As I just said to Aikuchi, that's not true. I refer you to post # 175:
Awry Barux wrote:No, the roles are not the same, and more roles than slayer were lost. I went Min Logi for a scouty/speed-hacker suit, designed to get in, plant uplinks, hack, and keep moving. I had zero reason to think that this suit would be made the designated heavy-follower. I refer you to post #11: Awry Barux wrote:Time to reiterate one more time why I believe a respec is necessary:
I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically.
That warrants a respec.
The Min Logi bonus change (not the loss of armor reps, that's fine, I don't care about that) is a fundamental change in the suit's role, not a balance adjustment. |
Kody Cole
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:57:00 -
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vote yes to respect 1.8
it would help old and new players
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:57:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:[
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously.
And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning.
Period.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:01:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?
Yes it is right and yes it is fun. It is right because time spent in game should come with rewards It is fun because all games are just a repetitive grind to an end goal. People call it grind in a bad way because they want it all exactly when the want it. They don't like having to put forth effort and spend time playing a game to make the game better. They want a win button and they want to change it as soon as the next and better win button is released. It is laziness in its purest form.
there is a difference between grind and challenge.
people want a challenge. grind is repetative, and boring...
like using militia suits for 12 months while being proto stomped. this = repetitive.
regardless, I am going to use discernment here ot see the real reason you dnt want an infantry respec.
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
the problem with this is that regardless, there are people who will still specc into the next FoTM, actually you are promoting it.
having an infantry respec will lead to more diversity in the game. more people will specc into varying fields, and we will find more weapons on the battle field. many people will spec out of RR, and CR and into other light weapons like LR, MD, ect. people will specc into the new side arms, new suits. all around the game will becoem more well rounded. hence, balanced.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:[
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period.
Again, this is one of the few reasons that make a good case for a refund and only if they are ALL released at once.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too.
Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:[
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period.
You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:05:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
I can do that too you know?
You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping.
A nice way to hide from reality.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:09:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is.
they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:10:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping.
A nice way to hide from reality.
i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game.
also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:17:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping.
A nice way to hide from reality. i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game. also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM
No, your "theory" is a stupid way to hide from the reality that some people actually have believes and opinions different from yours. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean everybody else is having it too and just is scared because of something.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:18:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is. they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.
They did need because the skilltree was changed itself and skills removed.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:20:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice.
I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time.
People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order and that goes for people who spec into op gear because it is a win button. Fair is elementary children and old people, be a man and suck it up. Fair is boring and bland. This isn't the game for fair, this is a soap opera for men and a form of social media for egos. The sooner you learn that the sooner the game will be fun for you. I have never one time in almost two years of playing this game called it a grind, thought of it as a grind or anything similar to that. That is why I have fun, I don't see what I can't have and think "Oh man I have to grind out three and a half more games.", I see what I can't have and make a goal for myself and PLAY (not grind) till I get there.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:22:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:[
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be.
You can tell yourself it's new content all you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that CCP lacked the resources to follow their own universes lore and give us full racial representation at "release"
Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument"
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Awry Barux
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:22:00 -
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Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:[
I think you're brain started bleeding before that. You cry about 2 million SP you don't want to use anymore now that there are other suits. And you don't want to skill into the suit you want even though you have the SP. I mean seriously. And you ignore that these are NOT new suits. They are core suits that should have been in the game from the beginning. Period. You just think they should've been from the beginning. Yet it is very simple: Were they were when the game was release? No. They come out with a patch. They are new suits. Period. The announcement of something doesn't mean it should be in at the same time they were announced. That's just the reality. Dust 514 is a game that will change very often. And these suits are just new content like pirate faction suits would be. You can tell yourself it's new content all you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that CCP lacked the resources to follow their own universes lore and give us full racial representation at "release" Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument"
So what? It doesn't matter what could've been. It only matters what is. And it turned out the way that it is new content.
Logical players see that. You don't because you just want to use it to support your "argument"
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You're giving me diabetes
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:27:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.
I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:27:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.
New Eden changes like baby diapers, don't expect to have the exact same tools even six from now. It is not justified just because you can't do what you want in a suit or feel that it is. Things change and so does this game, if you want static gears then this isn't the game for you.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You're giving me diabetes
You can continue living your dream world where you are entitled to everything if you want. But there's a difference between what you believe should have been and what really is.
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The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You're giving me diabetes
Try this next time
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:33:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You're giving me diabetes Try this next time
Cancer was implied, have you read his posts?
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You're giving me diabetes Try this next time Cancer was implied, have you read his posts?
The only thing you're doing now is trying to discriminate my answers with childish insults. Way to go.
Hint: If something you say is so common I could just say the same thing about your opinion then it isn't valid to say.
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