I see you haven't answered my question what you're doing with the SP you're getting since the suits were announced. That must mean you ave no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs aren't justified.

New Eden changes like baby diapers, don't expect to have the exact same tools even six from now. It is not justified just because you can't do what you want in a suit or feel that it is. Things change and so does this game, if you want static gears then this isn't the game for you.

Again, you're not responding my point.
I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy?

they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.

So basically you agree that a respec isn't necessary. Because it doesn't matter if a respec happens or not: You can use the suit you want to use.

Yes they did need to refund the skillpoints because of the fact that they more or less deleted skills and rolled them into a different bunch. They are not deleting infantry skills, or obsoleting them, you are simply getting more dropsuits.

I don't think you understand what the word mandatory means and are just ranting with inanities like "they should have taken 4-7m skillpoints away from tanks". This is no longer an intelligent debate it is merely you whining and insinuating that the rest of the player base should have been harmed over a perceived slight, you are refusing to concede any points that don't support your views and are deliberately avoiding answering things that would force you to make any concessions or admit that you might be in any way wrong or making deliberate fallacies.

Uh, no, I most emphatically do not agree that it isn't necessary.
I don't have maxed anything on my character, even within a single role, so to me, every point of SP is valuable. I can't just casually save SP and play at maximum efficiency like the veterans. A portion of the SP I spent working towards my current role will have to be outright chalked up as waste. I shouldn't have to take a hit to my character development due to CCP's fundamental suit changes. I spent real money to accelerate my development and that money is wasted if the skills I bought with that booster SP no longer apply to my role.

But here's the point: You respec now but sooner or later you get to the point where you could spec into another suit anyways. So it doesn't really matter. So you could also just wait a little longer to spec into the stuff you need now and instead you have the possibility to use a second suit.

Again, you're not responding my point.
I'm saving my SP in case there isn't a respec, but that has nothing to do with whether or not respecs are warranted. Happy?



It's not a matter of not having the same tools, it's a fundamental role shift for the suit. I picked a role and CCP is planning to rip that role out from under me with a bonus change. A hacking speed bonus and a repair tool bonus are completely different, and it has invalidated the choice I made months ago, before any of these changes were announced or hinted at. Forcing me to stick with a completely different dropsuit than the one I carefully selected is essentially wasting the weeks of SP I poured into said suit, or equivalently, making that amount of SP's worth of boosters disappear from my account.

It's one thing to make balance changes, I would happily accept any rebalancing, like a removal of the intrinsic armor repair. It's something else to fundamentally change where the suit fits in the larger game flow- what was once a suit meant for speedy equipment use is now meant to stick behind a heavy with a repair tool. I couldn't care less what the name or race of my suit is, but I picked a specific role, and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that I should still be able to play that role in 1.8. CCP's failure to finalize roles is theirs to bear, not mine to suffer through.

It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick.

I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.

The booster part of the equation is where CCP stepped in it. You are correct and I empathize with you and if it weren't for that then I would take a more firm stance but you did pay money "to get there faster" like the War Barge lady says and therefore I am more apt to side with you. However, it is only for a total change like we think is going to happen, in any other situation I would tell you to suck it up.

It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes

I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec.

Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out.

Planetside 2, Destiny, I'm already playing Blacklight: Retribution & Warframe. I've put a LOT of money into Dust, but if giving us a full respec is a problem, !@(& CCP. I have a ps4.

I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more.

I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design.

I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more.

I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design.

If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess.

Waiting for Destiny so hard.

If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess.

Waiting for Destiny so hard.

If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess.

Waiting for Destiny so hard.

I'm confused- why would a respec make you leave? IMO it's the best possible thing CCP can do to mitigate the pain of the Dust's constant state of flux.

I also want to destroy DUST 514, so go ahead with the respec.

The call for a discussion for a respec, whether warranted or not, by CCP only puts in my mind how out of sync the game is to where they expect it to be. Since I started playing this game, I've lived through I -believe- 2 respecs. This would be the 3rd though it feels like more than that. (The full respec from beta, the vehicle one, and I feel like there was one more in the middle but I could be wrong)

Either way, at this point, I don't feel like CCP has their sh*t together at all and with all their black box of 'our hands are tied and we just can't tell you the direction we *think* we're going', I think only gives them further liberty to not have to admit that their roadmap is no where in the works. I feel like its a game of guessing instead of actual calculated progression into a real vision of something. I'd rather get the respec and sit on it then spend the sp to yet again have it given back to me for another glaring overhaul. I'll just wait a few years and see if anything meaningful between dust and eve exists yet.

Ya know, I'm ok with them not having a road map. EVE was the same way, in some ways still is, but it's a good game now. It doesn't bother me when they unexpectedly change directions. It bothers me when they do and I don't have the chance to change my heading.

I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more.

I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design.

It is a trap by design, much like the lottery. I have enjoyed the money I have spent on DUST. If nothing else this crazy ass forum is worth the money spent.