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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1461	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote I'd say save the respec for 2.0 in May. No one NEEDS one now. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1466	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:59:00 - [2] - Quote Let's have a respec every time something changes. That way us vets can do whatever they want without worrying about SP grind, new players benefit little, and decisions mean nothing. It will do wonders for balance because everyone will flock to the most OP thing every time there is an update so it can be immediately nerfed. We are also totally entitled to one because we shouldn't be responsible for our decisions or having the forethought to realize in a game evolving as fast as this one things might change. Also a game that gives me free passive SP should allow me to be entitled to dictate what is done with it. Screw those guys in EVE who have to pay for theirs, have to update it every 24 hours and still don't get repecs (or SP refunds.... semantics) every time things change or are added. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1469	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes. Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used? We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Again, changes will happen, things will be added, respecs have only been issued for skill tree changes. Your stuff is changing......... but you're still using it now, why should you get a refund for something you've used? We all take the same risk, just learn to expect things to change. There's a difference between balance changes, for which I would not expect a respec, and complete infantry overhauls. If, for example, they were simply removing logis' intrinsic reps, I would not expect a respec at all. However, 1.8 is going to kill my current playstyle and stick me with a suit meant to perform literally the opposite role. I was an uplink-dropping speed hacker with great mobility, a sort of scout-logi hybrid. In 1.8 I'm going to be the designated suit to sit behind a heavy with a rep tool. There was no possible way for me to predict or expect such an incredibly drastic change, and it's crap for you to tell me to "expect it". Such a colossal change to the functions of skills is no less major than a rework of the skill tree structure, as happened with vehicles in 1.7. The point of a persistent, permanent skill system is for your earlier choices to matter as you work towards your eventual goal. The changes in 1.8 will effectively make a large portion of my SP no longer relevant to the goal I've been working towards for more than 6 months. I should receive a refund because SP isn't meant for things that you use for a bit, then abandon- it's about making permanent choices about character development, choices which are made invalid when roles get outright swapped during subsequent patches. That's why instead of speccing into a bunch of suits or a bunch of weapons I specced into core skills. Gear changes only affect a small portion of my total SP and anything new only takes about a month or two worth of grinding to be another top notch suit. I've started saving since they announced the new suits in January and I have over 5 mil SP. Can no one else do that? My **** got changed, it'll still work, I've still used it, why should I be entitled to reallocate all my infantry SP because they are changing the bonuses? The bonuses aren't why the Gal and Cal Logi have been the go to suits for try hards, it's the slot layout and base stats, these changes barely even touch that. It's not about how big the change is, it's about the fundamental fact that they don't give respecs unless they have to, and that means skill tree reworks. These changes have all happened, added content, changed bonuses, changed slot layouts, and those didn't warrant respecs. Don't get me wrong though I understand why people want them and people aren't necessarily trying to jump onto FOTM, and a respec wouldn't be totally unwelcome by me, if it were the last, but this forum culture of "respecs should be a regular mechanic" and the reasoning behind it go against the way New Eden works. I mean FFS EVE characters can't respec at all, and they have to pay for every damn account. People here can create a dozen PSNs to make characters to spec into what they see fit or have backups in case, heavens forbid, CCP changes something. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:44:00 - [5] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: FOTM will happen no matter what. It is inevitable. So what does it matter. its not "inevitable" its just down to poor game machanics and balancing on CCPs part... yes CCP the whole ****-ing company is to blame as none of them came up with the idea to pay DICE to make this game, CALLOGITAR514 after the second respec was far worse than addition to this game since. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote Vakki Yuki wrote: I reiterate, we wanted doughnuts and they're giving us bagels. We chose everything that we chose because of how we play. To change these things without some sort of compensation is simply unfair. End of arguement. You can't put cream cheese on a donut, they are two totally different things, and no bonus changes a suit so much that it's totally different. Unfair is the name of the game we all take the risk, it's a rough world HTFU. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1473	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:21:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Sneaky Fletcher wrote: *EDIT.- not to get your panties in a bunch, thou. am just guessing that tallen is only here to collect the tears I mean cuz damn man you be hatin real hard on this SP refund thingamajig I have no tears, only the blinding and all-consuming fire of internet rage. Delicious tears..... Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1478	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:46:00 - [8] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: the only reason ppl don't want respecs is because they have 30 to 40 mil sp and have saved 3-5 mill sp for this 1.8 action. they don't want all the new players and ppl who didn't save sp to compete with them because these ppl like to feel OVERPOWERED probably because there real life sucks and them feeling OVERPOWERED is the only joy in there life I have 37 mill sp and i have saved 3 mill sp witch is enough to get a good start to 1.8 and im not worried about it at all il be fine. but all the new players that have like 12 mill sp cant afford to save because there still working on drop suit upgrades and maxing weapons and getting proto suits. new players will have even a bigger gap to cross to be able to compete with all these 30 mill plus toons and thus new players will just stop playing. i think the fact that ppl are saving points to spend in 1.8 should q a respec in its own. you cant save points to spend for future eve skills(and you wouldn't have to because all the base ships are out unlike dust with missing drop suits and weps) if i started this game and all the suits were out my skill points would be distributed very differently let alone changing stats and bonuses witch is a key reason why ppl spec into certain suits in the first place. A respec would help the new players more then the old (mainly because most ppl screw up and spend points in skills they dont want) new players would be able to spend there points more wisely but if they don't il be fine with it because il have such a superior toon to wipe the floor with all these 12 mill sp noobs and i guess ccp roles like that. lol Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1478	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:52:00 - [9] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1482	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:48:00 - [10] - Quote I'm against respecs because I read "If you give a mouse a cookie" and there are enough people who specced into Caldari Logis with TARs and Flaylocks after 1.0 asking for one. Luckily this isn't a democracy and I'm a grown man and can buy my own cookie. Let's not create a culture of respec dependency, you'll only find disappointment. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1482	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:23:00 - [11] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Or what about do not be ingorant to COMMUNITY needs and help to make a better game without any silly pushes to something what PLAYERS dont want. I'm assuming you're disagreeing with me. I don't usually troll, but when I do, I prefer respec threads. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1487	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:14:00 - [12] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1487	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote GhostSoldierX wrote: @ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books You must be new here. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1489	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:58:00 - [14] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform **... not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level. or scanner being rebalanced or weapons being tweaked just when ** is completely transformed. I say the vehicle one counts as a complete transformation. 1.8 will just a large amount of different non respec worthy things at once. If they had a respec I wouldn't have a problem if it was the last one, but 1.8 just doesn't change enough for me to believe that it would be. New content doesn't warrant a respec. Weapon and module tweaking doesn't either. The only argument can be made for suit bonuses, but that affects everyone. The Caldari medium suit changes weren't enough to warrant a respec, nor were the Amarr medium buffs. The prime example of why people say there should be one is the Minmatar Logi bonus change. They're losing a built in complex repper and codebreaker for a fitting cost reduction and a rep tool bonus. This means to compensate they have to use two lows, but the fitting cost is offset by the equipment bonus, assuming it's an equipment logi and not a slayer logi. It still doesn't change the fact it has 4 highs 4 lows 4 equipment a high base logi speed and inherent lower HP. It's not completely transformed. Like I said though, if they gave a respec I'd be fine being able to move around about 3 mil SP, but I don't want the community to make the assumption that respecs should be a regular game mechanic. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1490	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:25:00 - [15] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered. I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk. Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed.... To be fair the Gallente ones are staying pretty much the same. So is the Amarr Assault. The Minmatar Scout is getting an even bigger bonus. The Amarr Commando isn't changing much. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1490	Posted - 2014.02.27 09:55:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Things change so I must be refunded, the fact I've used it for 3 months be damned. I can do math therefore I'm right. Condensed that for you. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1492	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:28:00 - [17] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to. I still hope they don't just so I can sit back and laugh. A respec would be nice, but it's unnecessary, and people begging for them here is almost as annoying as people on the EVE forums asking when Dust is going to be put on PC. I'd rather CCP not indulge them. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1497	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:18:00 - [18] - Quote Dust Fiend, loved your video. Let me get one thing straight, I'm not against an infantry respec, I just don't think we need it now. Balance in a game like this will never be fully achieved. EVE is a perfect example, the top fighters always flock to the most powerful thing, and then it get's nerfed, and they go to the next. Whole game styles get constantly shifted, and people who devote months of game time maxing something out lose that edge they spent so long for. It sucks, but it works both ways too. Minmatar scout will now be more useful than ever. Assault suits has a niche and the opportunity to carry proto sidearms easily, inevitably though it was at the expense of logis. If something is nerfed to uselessness, it will come back eventually. Oh and the argument that it helps noobs more than vets isn't true. If I had 40 mil SP I could respec 20 mil into cores, and then 5 mil into the OP weapon and suit, I could save the other 15 mil to be ready to jump on the next thing. The 2 mil SP player in the long run doesn't have that much to move. The 7-15 mil SP characters are the only ones who can make the most of a respec, but once they spec into the next best thing how better off will they be when something else takes over and the vets are still the only ones able to get into it? Instead of demanding respecs demand balance on all fronts first, because unless there is balance a respec is a very short term fix.......... to a problem that will remain in this game for the foreseeable future. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1498	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote A respec gives a signifigant gain to vets over new players. If a new player poorly spends more than 1 mil SP... I honestly have little sympathy, it's how we learn make better choices. Did CCP do a **** poor job of preparing them? Hell yeah, and they should be held accountable, but a respec is a temporary fix, give it a month and people will demand another and another. Taking a slow build up approach over straight into proto gives everyone the opportunity to see if they really like what they're skilling into. If CCP gives a respec now, assuming there are no skill tree changes, these respec requests will never end and people will come expect them. Bonuses will continue to change, new content will be added and rebalancing will continuoly be done. If someone knows they can't ever spec out of something, they'll spend less time bitching about how useless it is and spend more time giving constructive feedback to balance it out. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1498	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit. Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1499	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:01:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If CCP would just do slight balance passes, none of this would be an issue. But, they aren't. They're going on 2 years now of not knowing what they want from their game. I agree. I've said countless times on the forums that the way they balance things is ridiculous, but a respec doesn't change that or solve the problem. EVE has gone through rebalances constantly, its part of the world and we all take the same risks when skilling into things. Afraid of the risk? Invest in core skill, save up SP, EVE players don't even have that option and they pay for all their SP. Why do so many feel entitled to dictate what CCP should do in a free to play game? They make their money off the grind, Aurum gear and boosters are how they keep the lights on. If it's too much for you leave. Life isn't fair, and half of what makes EVE and DUST interesting is that they aren't either. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1499	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:06:00 - [22] - Quote Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit? I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1503	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:57:00 - [23] - Quote They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1504	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:41:00 - [24] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Marc Rime wrote: If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM. I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in. Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;). If I want to be a Caldari scout or Caldari heavy, I won't need complex armor plates. Oh how terrible, someone give this guy a full respec. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1504	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:43:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over. It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions. If it's not valuable,then why do you want them to give it back to you? Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1508	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:30:00 - [26] - Quote Kairos Nitak wrote: I just want to throw my two cents into the mix. I sit on the fence on the respec issue, but i lean somewhat towards supporting a limited respec. Not for my own selfish wants. I would be fine and happy with my choices even though some of the changes wouldn't exactly favour my play style, but they wouldn't change the role of my suit so drastically as to make me change my mind. However I know there are certain people out there who deserve a respec, namely the Heavies who have devoted countless hours and SP to a heavy suit that they chose out of necessity rather than a premeditated decision. I have somewhere around 17mill SP invested in a few different roles, specificly Gal Assault and Logi, but I like to dabble in other roles including Heavy suites (especially recently due to the awesome event you are currently putting on). I personally think the respec should be limited to the Heavy and Scout suit trees. These roles are most effected by the coming changes and deserve the choice they should have been presented with in the first place. I don't think the other suits are changing drastically enough to warrant a respec. For the most part, the suits still cater to a specific play style which isn't being altered to a large degree in the coming update. If you are an armour tanking kind of person you will still want to stick with Gallente. If you are more of a hide and go shield-regen kinda player than you will stick with Caldari. Dropsuit Upgrades on the other hand will (for the most part) benefit anyone no matter the role they chose. Even if you are changing from a Armour tank to shield, it doesn't hurt having the choice to use armour in the future. As for the other upgrades, unless you're completely altering the way you will play the game, from electronics to equipment these skills will always come in handy. Therefore I believe they should be left alone. Weapons should not be touched either (except for heavy weapons if you are adding the new racial heavy weapons). There is not enough benefit to matching racial suits to weapons to warrant a change. The way I see it, if you are a lover of the CR, you are not going to switch to an AR just for a slightly faster reload speed (unless you over nerf some of the weapons). Besides, it only take like 600k sp to proto a weapon anyway. If you really want to change then save up for a couple weeks! Not here to push any buttons, just wanted to share my two cents with CCP. Cheers Slow Clap, this is as far as I'll support a respec in 1.8 and these are some very good points as to why. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1513	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:48:00 - [27] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners) It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. smh But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR. I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>smh Support Lgosi's were screwed the second they gave us more CPU/PG and slots than any other suit, in a game where mods make a suit. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1515	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:27:00 - [28] - Quote Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want to not give out a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1525	Posted - 2014.03.05 06:04:00 - [29] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8. Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side. Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice. Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets. Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter. Ya know what? That's a pretty decent point. A respec once they finalize the core game would appease me, though by that point I doubt I'll be gaming for the arthritis in my hands and my battles with Alzheimer's. It took them something around 10 years to get eve fairly balanced, and that's their flagship title. It seems CCP has the dust devs operating on a skeleton crew and a piggy bank for financing. The changes are too slow, too minute to inspire awe. I mean jeeesus, entire species evolve faster than this game. Darwin sits in awe. I understand the whole FotM argument, but they are forcing me to be a full time rep guy(min logi) when the versatility and survivability of the suit is why I spec'ed into it. No more assault logis? Fine, gimme back my points so I can go where I wanted to be to begin with. They really need to focus on balance because the FotM stuff is a huge turn off. Also, here's to our corps! Hope we make that thing happen! (Either ya know or ya don't) =ƒÿÄ So you're against any respecs ever again? Cool, even better. You finally get New Eden, it's fair because we're all equally fuc*ked. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1528	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:35:00 - [30] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz WAKE UP!!! GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT A LITTLE MAKEUP!!!!! Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1536	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:48:00 - [31] - Quote People try to tell me FOTM won't be a big deal if there is a respec while simultaneously scream about how their thing is nerfed and that other thing is buffed, and that's why they need a respec. So where is it you plan to move your SP if they give you a respec? From the nerfed thing to the buffed thing? I'm sure no one else will have the same idea. They're nerfing my AR further into the ground, it's my most skilled into weapon, I'm still not asking for a respec. I will fight ever harder to bring it back to balance, instead of running from it to the newest OP thing. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1544	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:08:00 - [32] - Quote SS different page..... Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1548	Posted - 2014.03.06 05:01:00 - [33] - Quote When the game first came out everyone wasn't given a large pool of SP to instantly spec into whatever they wanted. Now that new suits are here why should they do that now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, respecs don't create balance, and they don't help anyone who starts playing after they are given. Nobody NEEDS a respec, they just really WANT one. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1549	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:31:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Unfortunately we didn't get a chance to redo the slots and PG/CPU for all the medium frames in Uprising 1.8. Expect those changes to come in a future update. So if we have a respec in 1.8, we should get one a month later as well? A slot layout change is a big deal. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1549	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:34:00 - [35] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Only seven more pages We can be the kings of this post. DUST Fiend, come join us. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1552	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:50:00 - [36] - Quote Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1555	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:11:00 - [37] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Open market can't work with respecs. We can't have a respec everytime they change stats. They should give them out when they change the tree or remove a skill. We all take the same risk. Invest in cores, and as I've always said "spec into something as if it was balanced". Wait until they change the medium suit slots, fix AV, and add Matari and Amarr vehicles, then I'll be on board with a respec until there is an open market. Respecs don't bring real balance, they just allow everyone to go FOTM. After FOTM is nerfed people demand another, the cycle never ends, there is no stable market, there can be no EVE integration, then the game just becomes another bland shooter. Vets go FoTM anyway No 1.8 respec just allows the vets to monopolise and dominate even further .. the people it hurts the most are intermediate players with 5-16m SP I'm a vet with 0 SP in Flaylocks, tanks, or the Caldari Logi. 2/3 of my SP is in dropsuit core upgrades. I'm only proto in one suit and my most maxed weapon is the AR. Not having the option to respec means I'll fight harder for reasonable balance and diversity. A respec can only help anybody until the next update reshifts the balance. Vets will have an upper edge regardless, but having respecs doesn't encourage people with less SP to spend wisely. We should be demanding tiericide and balance before demanding respecs. I've stated it countless times it's a temporary fix that has long term negativr repercussions. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1557	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:09:00 - [38] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: RayRay James wrote: Please, no respec. One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released. I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game. I TOTALY agree on this however when your choices are made mute buy a patch then a respec is in order. Like the mini logi that is going from fast ninja hacker to the fatty hugger that a mother will be proud of. There is more stuff like this in 1,8. Al those that state what you are saying fail to come up with any solid argument against that what soever. Me I have swayed from total respec to a respec only on the dropsuit command part. Regards Now I am done with this thread =ƒÿÆ Minny Logi is still going to have a wicked fast hacking speed. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1558	Posted - 2014.03.08 18:45:00 - [39] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack. Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4) In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking. Assuming you stack all the lows with codebreakers, your point? Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1574	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:09:00 - [40] - Quote The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1575	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:22:00 - [41] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1577	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:38:00 - [42] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Oh man was not to type in here again You are kidding me right ? Only adding ! Yeah you must be kidding me I better go and break my fingers so I can't type anything that will get me banned 4 life I don't understand you just repeated what I said without telling me what they are removing from the skill tree. This is all in relation to the skill tree, not the skills themselves. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1578	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:38:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Not saying I would uninstall, though I will certainly be taking a break if they stonewall us on this issue. Like a respec will fix their problems, it will just hold people off until the next build where they'll demand another respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1579	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:03:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever. I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern. IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1585	Posted - 2014.03.11 19:57:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things. I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme" A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game. I think we just have different views on what is necessary. For me, player enjoyment and satisfaction is necessary, and showing us that they finally want to provide racial parity is a very good time to get everyone on the same page. One way or the other, another respec is in the future, whether it's now or later on when racial vehicles and weapons are added. I simply argue that holding off helps nothing because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Letting people have fun in the mean time does nothing but let people have fun. If CCP wants to kill legit respec concerns, they provide racial parity, and leave it alone aside from occasional % passes here and there to better smooth out balance. Most players leave this game after the first hour. Two respecs didn't stop the huge drop off of veteran players when Uprising was released. If a respec can help make current players happier for more than just a couple of weeks what can it do for a player who starts the day after it's given? They still deal with a terrible NPE, poor tutorials, and are completely outmatched by all the vets. Those that stay eill see the only effective FOTM on the field, spec what little SP they first get into, and be left in the cold when it gets nerfed. Us vet will weather on regardless. It's a short term fix. Skill removal, tireicide, skillpoint cost reduction, or a complete skill tree reconfiguration all completely reasonable grounds for SP refunds, and it's not unlikely there will be plenty of opportunities for those in the future and I'll support them, but one for 1.8 as it stands I will not. I still await all the racial vehicles, weapons, and medium suit reconfiguration, and would rather wait for a "lots of new things and changes respec" then. People assume there will be a day where there will be no more grounds for a respec, everything is perfectly balance and we have all the content, but that day will never come, they will keep rebalancing, keep changing stats, and keep adding new things. Respecs can't be a regular mechanic, and this particular update shouldn't be an exception. 1st Respec: Complete Skill tree changes, skills taken away. 2nd Respec (by request): Skill tree cost changes. 3rd Respec: Complete vehicle tree changes (vehicles only) things taken away. 1.8: Skill tree gets more stuff and bonuses change. As far as we know, nothing is being taken away. Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have stand against that every time it comes up. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1588	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:33:00 - [46] - Quote More arguments don't necessarily make better arguments. As for myself I'm a fully specced Gallente Logi with maxed cores and my weapon of choice is the AR. Even if I was given a respec I'd keep what I have. Would I move around a million or two? Probably, but I would eventually skill back into what I had before, I skilled into nothing that I didn't enjoy at standard. I've always been a "if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto" kinda guy so the cost to get in a new suit are minimal and if it's worth taking to 5 I'll take the time to do it, using LP or AUR gear in the meantime. I always wanted to be a Gallente Heavy and seeing as how it was unreleased content that should have been there I just saved up. It wasn't even hard, we've had countless events that offered more than enough SP since the announcment of the new suits, I just didn't spend it on anything I wasn't sure about, same reason why I still won't spec into the CalLogi despite having the SP for it, and an interest in having it. It's not CCPs fault if I spec into the CalLogi and have none left for the suit I wanted more. For anyone who thinks it's unfair for me to be against respecs because I have so much SP, I've capped out almost every week for over a year, with boosters running most of the time. I've paid my fair share in both hours and dollars into this F2P game. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1588	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:24:00 - [47] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit. Speccing into the Amarr heavy was everyone else's personal decision, it's not like it was wasted SP, they used it, and just because something they want more finally comes doesn't mean they have any more right than anyone else to take a big chunk of SP out of one thing and put it into another. It doesn't take that much SP to take a suit to advanced if you know you are eventually going to stop using it for another suit. You can argue that we could have a respec just this one because of that reason, but then to be fair you'd have to do it every time they added new things, and I've already stated why you can't have constant respecs. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1590	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:38:00 - [48] - Quote Page 50 Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:49:00 - [49] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:57:00 - [50] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1594	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:07:00 - [51] - Quote POST #1000 Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1594	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:15:00 - [52] - Quote The post respec announcment QQ is exactly why I'm against respecs all together. If the CPM really wanted respecs and only got us this it's safe to assume CCP doesn't want to give us respecs unless they absolutely have to. As much as I was against having any respec now, I can live with the compromise. We still have the matter of the medium suit slot layouts, so I expect endless QQ and a call for another dropsuit respec when that comes out. This thread was never intended to be a place where CCP did what we wanted. It was intended to consolidate spam. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1596	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:31:00 - [53] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: We've reached over 1000 post for a Full Respec. WE DESERVED IT. Anyway no respec, will makes lot of player give up this game, since losing 6 months of playing everytime you release new things start being REALLY annoying. We finally have the Full Racial Line Up, this was the PERFECT opportunity to have a full Respec. It's not going to happen twice. I was 1000 and I was against having a full respec. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1599	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:06:00 - [54] - Quote Seriously when people threaten to leave because of how the devs make this I say "go". Take a break, most of us who've been here for a year or more have done it. Play other games, go outside, read a book, if this game gives you so much stress than for your own health and happiness please go. If you decide to come back, great, the next update is a great time to check in on the game. I mean you'll have half the potential SP with no grind. Keep the toxic and unproductive QQ out, it makes it hard for anything of value to get to the devs. Let me make one last point in CCPs defense. They are one of the few game developers who shape their games based on player input. They interact, have global gatherings, and their support team has to be one of the most responsive and reasonable I've dealt with. In the end though, it's there decision on what is done to this game, they are a company that needs to make money to support it's employees, and this F2P game monetizes on the grind. I will point out imbalances and give them ideas, but I will never expect them to do everything I say, because in the end they see the numbers, they know the stats, they have the plan, and they need to make money. Take a step back and just be happy there is a respec, they are almost doubling the suits, and they have given us countless events to make enough to try the new stuff. The largest complaint is not that people want SP for new things, but that they don't like having SP in things they don't use anymore. Trust me if you play this game long enough you'll find out that there is a use for everything, and if you're afraid of change, don't invest too much in anything. So to reiterate, if you're still pissed, and still think this is all unreasonable, just take a break. If not, lets try to be productive. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1603	Posted - 2014.03.14 06:09:00 - [55] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Iam already out of this discussion. Today i made a ticket for DELETE unwanted skill from my character. I will have rather deleted that unwanted and for me never again used skills. Than just looking on them in wrong tier. I don't usually say HTFU, but when I do, it's because someone filed a support ticket over not getting a respec. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1609	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:11:00 - [56] - Quote This thread is still here. The self entitlement is overflowing. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1614	Posted - 2014.03.23 08:30:00 - [57] - Quote Popping back in just to remind everyone that repsecs are not given to us by democratic votes and no amount of begging will make it so. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1632	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:56:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. Proof that CCP is listening to us and reading this thread. This is not a democracy. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1651	Posted - 2014.04.08 22:56:00 - [59] - Quote Psycho Sangers wrote: Being an EVE player as well, they get a respec once a year. Do you even play EVE? You can remap attributes to make you skill faster in certain skills at the cost of skilling slower in others. Once SP goes into a skill you never get it back. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

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