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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.17 23:20:00 -
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Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed.
Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need.
the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop.
weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period.
in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.17 23:22:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then.
NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!!
its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec.
they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.17 23:25:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed.
Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need.
the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop.
weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period.
in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only What about switching from shields to armor, or armor to shields? Or into/out of EWAR skills?
all your core skills should be high by now anyways. you can always grind and get your core shields and armor up.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:56:00 -
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Mahal Daj wrote:Secondary to the "yes or no" conversation: if there is a respec, can we opt out to maintain our current skill trees? Or possibly get an email/evemail with our current trees so we can rebuild accurately?
Daj
if they make it a support ticket respec then this wont be a problem. although for them blanket respecs are easier. if, there will be a respec CCP will give the date of the respec and you'll have time to notate what you have now.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:01:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff
so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec.
if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost".
besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:04:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. It went by just fine with the vehicle respec People who say to save up for new (old) material are saying that it's perfectly ok to waste SP since you will no longer use it once you get what you actually wanted in the first place. This is silly, and is an emotional response on their part, feeling that denying players this choice somehow makes them holier than thou. Why spec into something you didn't want to use in the first place?
because their was no other choice. Many heavies thought that racial heavy suits would be coming out after uprising launched. We held onto the amar heavy as a place holder.
us heavies have been waiting 12 months for these new suits. we had the concept art almost 6 months ago. why cn't we get a break?
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:09:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition.
regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else.
the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this...
minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:14:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:stuff
so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy?
are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count.
face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute?
working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count).
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:18:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". They did need a respec because the skilltrees themselves were reworked. The amount of SP necessary to get certain skills. Old skills were removed (skills people had used SP on). New skills were added. This wasn't just "We add new stuff." This isn't the case with 1.8. The infantry skills just get an addition. regardless, vehicle users should have just lost the SP they put in the skill tree when things were removed. because, they have "infinite SP build up" like everyone else. the infantry are not just have "new stuff added" the skill tree is affected as well. the bonuses for almost every suit are being drastically changed. changed to the point that they completely change what he intended playstyle was before this... minmatar logi's now get a bonus reps, when before it was to hacking. Weapons profiles are being completely changed. And the heavy suits that heavies have been waiting for since chromosome have finally arrived! you can't seriously be saying that heavies should be shafted for some self-righteous excuse that SP is infinate when vehicles got SP refund with no problem. No. There's a difference between losing SP because of a change and not using them anymore because it's your own decision. This doesn't affect the skilltree. It affects the suits. And it doesn't change the suits intended role. So what? new stuff gets added. Stuff you knew for a year it would come. Stuff you know for at least a month will be in 1.8. What the **** are you doing with your SP you get until 1.8 gets released? Do you waste it on purpose?
who the **** knew the bonuses for every dropsuit in the game was gonna change a year in advance? sir, if you have clear boyance i need your help with some stock investments
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:20:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions.
Answer my questions.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:33:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So if someone wanted to play Heavy they should have just leveled core skills and used started suits for the past 2 years? Do you even read what you type?
Telling the former Prometheus pilot not to choose FoTM. So ******* classic. You don't know what I've skilled into, so don't even act like you do. Believe it or not, FoTM is NOT an issue, at all. It's only a problem for bads who can't compete with good builds, period. Yes I read what I type. And yes: They should have. Because obviously they didn't want to play Amarr heavy. And Std suits are actually pretty good with maxed out core skills. Because it's not necessary to exactly know what you specced into. You obviously specced into something you didn't want in the first place. Wow. I'm just gonna leave it at that. GG bro no re. Out of arguments already?
no. he saw that you missed the point entirely, and failed to answer his question. Obviously, your a literate person, who thinks about what he is saying. problem here, which dust fiend noticed early, is that you don't read (as in take heed, or understand fully) the idea behind what anyone else is saying in response to you.
honestly, people play games for fun. this we can both agree on. common ground established.
now, with this in mind. would you have fun grinding on core gears for 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? 3 months? its annoying. its not exactly fun. especially with proto dudes pwning you left and right.
illustration 1
If you go to a resturant and the dish you want isnt served there, do you just get up and walk out, or do you order a substitute? Some people do get up and walk out (hence, low player count) others order a substitute. if you return to said resturant and they are now offering the meal you originally wanted, you no longer order the substitute.
illustration 2
you are taking courses in college. you pass your remedial or requiered none core subjects (core skills). you begin progressing in your desired feild was canceled after you finish your remedials (like heavies being belayed a whole fuking year). do you drop out of college? or continue on a substitute field? some drop out (hence low player count), others continue. now, your desired field courses are back, for whatever reason.
do you have the option to transfer credits? yes.
many colleges offer students the ability to switch majors and transfer credits.
application.
infantry and weaponry have changed so much since 1.1. and 1.8 is going to be for infantry what 1.7 was for vehicles. not offering a respec would be ludicrous.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:39:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:stuff so, your telling me that instead of actually playing the game for 12 months, i should have bought 12 passive boosters and used them back to back, while trlling the forums waiting for a minmatar heavy? are you serious? why not just play another game entirely then? that is what many people did, then they forgot about dust entirely. hence the extremely low player count. face it your reasoning is flawed. What is someone supposed to do when their favorite suit isnt in the game besides use a substitute? working on core skills can only hold you so long and by no means is entertaining. Meanwhile someone in full militia gear isnt going to get into good corps nor have fun getting proto stomoped for 12 months (hence the low player count). Apparently the game couldn't offer you the playstyle you wanted. Why play it then? And once again I ask you: What are you doing with your SP now? What stops you from saving them up now so you can instantly use the new heavy suit coming out in 1.8? It's nice that you can say my reasoning is flawed yet you only pick out some points from my argument, ignoring completely legit questions. Answer my questions. I did. And you don't even answer mine.
didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question.
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:42:00 -
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so, you are encouraging people to leave this game?
illustration1
if they changed the ingredients and its really bad then yes i will vomit that meal up. you can do that in any resturant, in the inner cities at least the more country you get....
thats besides the point. You can actually, order a different meal again if the one you originally wanted was not good. (you cant do that continuously or they will call the police). Same here. most of what people specced into changed fundamentally over the past 12 months. we have a right to a respect
also illustration 2 still holds and is true in almost every college. College credits are the closest thing to SP in real life because they never disappear and accumulate with time, are transferable and you can pay real money for them
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:47:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:didn't i make it painstakingly clear i am a heavy? regardless. no you did not answer my question.
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months? You need Core Skills anyway. And apparently you think the suit you specced into isn't fun to play with. Because if it were you weren't so eager to get rid of that skill. So why did you play the game then
12 months of core skills?
im am just baffled at how you think that is fun or even possible without picking some sort of suit.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese?
ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum?
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:55:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:And I asked first: What are you doing with your SP you're getting since the 1.8 suits were announced? Please tell me. I really want to know what keeps you from saving them up for the suit you REALLY want. What keeps me for saving for a new suit is the thought that I'll be forced to keep the suit that I don't want, but needed in order to fulfill my (at the time) desired role. There are only so many ways we can explain this to you, would you like us to type it in Chinese? ask thomas mak, isn't he starting a chinese forum? Stuff that doesn't make sense isn't making sense in any other language.
to the contrary many expressions that dnt make sense when translated make perfect sense in the original language.
main point. You have commited youself to your ideas. they make sense to you.
You have presented me no reasons to beleive a respec would be unjust. therefore, i have not changed my mind. since any further input or response would clear waste time. out of respect for both your time and mine, i will no longer respond. I agree to disagree.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:01:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
do you think it is FUN or RIGHT to grind on core skills for 12 months? 6months or even 3months?
Yes it is right and yes it is fun. It is right because time spent in game should come with rewards It is fun because all games are just a repetitive grind to an end goal. People call it grind in a bad way because they want it all exactly when the want it. They don't like having to put forth effort and spend time playing a game to make the game better. They want a win button and they want to change it as soon as the next and better win button is released. It is laziness in its purest form.
there is a difference between grind and challenge.
people want a challenge. grind is repetative, and boring...
like using militia suits for 12 months while being proto stomped. this = repetitive.
regardless, I am going to use discernment here ot see the real reason you dnt want an infantry respec.
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
the problem with this is that regardless, there are people who will still specc into the next FoTM, actually you are promoting it.
having an infantry respec will lead to more diversity in the game. more people will specc into varying fields, and we will find more weapons on the battle field. many people will spec out of RR, and CR and into other light weapons like LR, MD, ect. people will specc into the new side arms, new suits. all around the game will becoem more well rounded. hence, balanced.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:09:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Respecs in Dust are not necessary.
...stuff so, why did vehicles need a respec? if you agreed with the vehicle respec then you automatically agreed for an infantry respec. if, you don't, then all the vehicles should have their SP returned to their prexisting categories, and anywhere a category was removed the SP that was their should just be "lost". besides, I highly doubt you actually believe in what your saying. Otherwise, you'd have dropsuit operation to level 5 even though there is no reason too. Vehicles didn't 'demand' a respec - it was mandatory because of what they did with the tree. An infantry respec/refund at this point is optional not 'mandatory' as so many scream that it is.
they didnt need to refund SP for vehicles. You accumulate SP endlessly, you potentially can have everything to level 5. so... that was optional too. tankers were crying so hard ccp gave it.
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:10:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping.
A nice way to hide from reality.
i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game.
also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM
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D legendary hero
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:47:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice. I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time.
you are wrong. I beleive in Justice and I hold people to their promises. If you break a promise you are a liar. period. I dnt give a **** who you are, or what you beleive. Right is right and wrong is wrong, period. it doesn't matter what the hell you "feel".
Every thing is being changed. CCP needs to keep their promises. Thats it.
Quote:
People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order
People who like unbalanced games are pussies of the highest order. Your the type of person who would **** a women because you "can", or pick a fight with a 7 year old becuase you have "advantage" forget about right or wrong. That is cowardice. You are scared of a fair fight and want as much advanage as possible. That is *****. period.
**** you and your beliefs.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:49:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
You nor the other dude comenting here beleive in what your saying. your both just afraid that people will save their refunded SP until they find the next FoTM and then spamm like crazy.
I can do that too you know? You don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to spec the next FOTM to be better at stomping.
A nice way to hide from reality. i thought i made it clear that I want to be a minmatar heavy, and as you can see from the stats CCP released it will be the worst heavy, possible the worst suit in the game. also, you just confirmed my theory, stop being scared of FoTM it will happen. but no respec will ensure that fewer people explore with their SP and that more specc into FoTM No, your "theory" is a stupid way to hide from the reality that some people actually have believes and opinions different from yours. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean everybody else is having it too and just is scared because of something.
this is something YOU are failing to understand. Our opinions are different. I will not change what I think because of how you "feel" because what i am saying is based on fact. period.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:50:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.
^^this. 
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:52:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You're giving me diabetes Try this next time Cancer was implied, have you read his posts? The only thing you're doing now is trying to discriminate my answers with childish insults. Way to go. Hint: If something you say is so common I could just say the same thing about your opinion then it isn't valid to say.
that is pretty much the basis of your entire argument. lol pretty much everything your saying and said is exactly that...lol
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:06:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer.
Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be?
Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job
very nice analogy.
For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario.
if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:17:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:D legendary hero, leave it alone man. The Robot Devil came down on our side for this one instance after a lengthy discussion, let's not pick fights when we all want the same thing from CCP in 1.8. Aikuchi stopped posting, he gave up because he got out-debated, don't provoke him again. We as a player base must be unified if we're going to get CCP to do right thing here.
indeed. Its time for justice and unity to reign supreme.
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Posted - 2014.02.19 03:05:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer.
Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be?
Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job very nice analogy. For anyone who hasn't had a job yet. just remember, REAL MONEY is involved in this scenario. if your in college, its like taking courses in a given major then having the course canceled and the school debates over whether to transfer your credits... then having to plead with the chancelor's of the school to get your credits (SP) transfered to another school. College credits don't always transfer. I spent almost two years getting certified in networking and then the job market was flooded with networkers and I couldn't find a job. I had to go back to college and get a degree in electronics. It then took me almost a year to find a job because no one will hire someone straight out of college with no experience. I was turned down for jobs because I was over qualified or had no experience. I took classes for electronics that I didn't have to have because the standards changed half way through my time at the school. I took classed in public speaking to become an electronics tech.
i can identify with this. I too have studied electronics. and every job i have had since college has been stuff i taught myself...
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Western Ways wrote:lol
When i see some of the arguments against a respec, i can't help but think of those douchebags that don't want to raise the minimum wage.
"I have no need for it, and it doesn't benefit me at all . . . so why should i give a ufck about what these broke bastards want"?
Queue the BS about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and having to deal with the choices you made instead of helping to bring about a change that could be mutually beneficial for everyone. Sound familiar?
Look . . . I'm fairly new to this game and i love it; even with all it's flaws, and I'd like to see it thrive. And even though there may be some negatives to a respec I think the pros far outweigh the cons.
Yes for respec
real life social issues... it hurts... *escapes into the game8 its here too *shivers*
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CCP Logibro wrote:Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules.
Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it.
Logibro I know your receiving all these notifications. Since you aren't the one to either confirm nor deny a respec for 1.8. At least confirm that someone is receiving this information and attempting to make an informed decision.
most like a decision making committe or body is in charge of deliberating such matters. Has any of this information reached them?
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:My .02 ISK:
Only dropsuit fitting skills (dropsuit command and the skills branching from it) need to be refunded, because their entire functions are changing.
Weapons, even with nerfs and buffs, still function the same way as they did before, so they should NOT be refunded. It's not a matter of nerfs and buffs, it's a matter of achieving weapon-suit synergy. You have your weapon of choice and the play style that goes with it. Now you can choose your dropsuit based off of that. Nobody picks a dropsuit first before trying to base a play-style off of it, besides people experimenting with underpowered suits.
how do you use a weapon without a dropsuit first?isn't tht impossible?
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tadaaaa!!! page 20 and not even so much as a troll post from a dev. looks like we have been abandoned. I want this game to survive... but part of its survival is the communication line between the devs and community.
Indeed, what really separates dust from other games is that the devs actually communicate with the gamers. That is the only reason gamers stick with dust and some comeback after leaving. If this line of communication were ever severed or were the community to feel its voices were not being heard, dust would immediately shrivel and parish.
Whether there is a respec or not, what gamers ultimately want to know is, where are the dev responses, and what do the devs think, and what does CCP think on this matter?
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Awry Barux wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Its a won argument for respecs. Noone is motivating why a respec is bad, other than with comments regarding 'live with your choice', HTFU, or some new eden BS that doesn't make sense because we are playing dust on the same server cluster as EVE, but we do not play in the same universe yet. Hence beta. Hence respec.
Yup. The community has spoken quite clearly. At this point, I can think of only one reason why we wouldn't see a full respec in 1.8: the marketing team thinks they can absorb the good-will hit and still sell more boosters without one. Take note, CCP employees reading this: That is not the case. The backlash will be large. Do the right thing here by providing a full infantry respec, and you'll inject quite a bit of life into the game. It's a matter of keeping the players who are on the fence about whether or not to abandon Dust- you need to hold their interest while you work on additional content. I wouldn't be surprised if a respec, combined with 1.8's new content, earns you a six-month high player count record. This is a win-win for the community and CCP.
well with the errors on psn preventing the purchase of aurum i can't see how they could possibly hope to get money off this. Besides, in Brasil their are PSN restrictions (another issue entirely) that prevent the purchase of aurum at this time (which is why brasilians make psn accounts using american addresses)
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Awry Barux wrote:echo47 wrote:No respec.
With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote:
I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
sweet jesus man, this is like the 7th time you had to repost it.
these guys just don't understand everything is changing utterly. The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game.
- its the logi with the lostest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armro plates to have any actually ehp.
- now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway.
- galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools.
all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke, and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself.
The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills.
the minmatar commando may be useful. the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, and slower speed.
The game is changing entirely. a respec is deserved.
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echo47 wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Awry Barux wrote:echo47 wrote:No respec.
With the SP events advanced notice of changes we have all had plenty of time to save up skill points. Ohhh my god let's play a game called "how many times can I repost answers to arguments I've already dealt with?" Awry Barux wrote:
I've said this 1000 times before and I'll say it again: it is NOT the same thing for you proto-ed vets to save SP as it is for all of us <15mil plebes to save SP. You can perform your role at maximum efficiency while saving SP. For everyone else, we have to directly suffer in the short term (the short term being multiple months) in order to save for CCP's wild changes. So quit playing the holier-than-thou game.
sweet jesus man, this is like the 7th time you had to repost it. these guys just don't understand everything is changing utterly. The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game.
- its the logi with the lostest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armro plates to have any actually ehp.
- now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway.
- galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools.
all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke, and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself. The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. the minmatar commando may be useful. the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, and slower speed. The game is changing entirely. a respec is deserved. These are the changes people asked for. Thread after thread complaining about slayer logis. Thread after thread complaining of lack of diversity and meaningful roles. Thread after thread complaining about equipment spam. If you do not like the changes skill into another suit, buy earning warpoints. Yeah there are changes but a respec will not prevent the changes from taking place. The stats for dropsuits will be the same wether you get a respec or not. If there was a thread this long asking for a removal or increase in the skill point cap you guys might be on to something.
no one ever complained about MINMATAR SLAYER LOGI's. and since when was a minmatar logi ever good at equipement spam... it'd have to have only 500 ehp at proto...
besides equipement spam isn't the true source of all the lagg, but the maps with all the extra textures that when combined with equipment cause a measure of lagg.
no duh, bro respecs do not prevent changes. but they give the gamer a choice. and making choices is what MMO's are all about.
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25 pages with 95% support for respec. it's only been 3 days since this thread started. and it was placed in features and discussion a location many gamers avoid entirely...
yeah. respec is pretty much confirmed. Not to make the desicion for CCP, but with this much support even after relocating to a dead area can't be ignored.
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Necandi Brasil wrote:HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED,
RESPEC CONFIRMED!
vc quer comecar um novo filo sobre esse assunto no portugues? eu quero um respec. E o CCP nao querem dar-nos a justica mesmo. nos tinha desrepeitado.
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28 pages later and no response. Im starting a REAL respec discusion thread in general discusion. As long as people don't spam the general discusion forum with these threads it won't get locked. Since, CCP doesn't want to discuss it with us, we should be able to discuss it among ourselves in a free environment.
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CCP 33 pages of support. with only 4 people against a respec. DUST fiend even made a video for god's sake. just confirm it. we all know you want to.
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common 35 pages here we come. if we break 50 pages. repec is garunteed. robot devil can help with that. lets argue some more
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DUST Fiend wrote:What it boils down to is this: If CCP feels it's alright to withhold basic content, as well as randomly switch around the roles and usefulness of things we've long since spec'd into, then it only seems reasonable to allow players to use their accumulated SP how they want when the backlogged content is released, and major changes are made. For me, it's a business decision. Do I want to support a company that takes my money, then alters the product I pay for? Or do I stay with a company that takes my money, and honors that investment when they alter what I purchased? Worst case, no respec and I take a few months away from DUST. It doesn't bother me, I barely even play anymore as is. For me, this entire thing is about principle and little more. For now, I'm done with this "topic"
Lord Neckbeard awaits.
we are on page 37. if we make 50 pages, i want $10... paid in aurum
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750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it
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7 more pages of support and we get a respec... common community you can do it
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hot dog! only 2 more pages till a full respect. the million clone event is supposed to be CCP's way of saying no respec, but here is enough SP to get any one new thing you want to proto.
I like the idea and event. but CCP your gonna have to give me at least 2 million SP to forget about a respec. lets barter
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