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The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:51:00 - [91] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Players are a whiners, we want it all right now the way we want it and it better be perfect. It doesn't matter that the noob didn't read or consider what they were doing when placing SP. It doesn't matter that people skilled into things that were OP for the simple fact that they were OP. It doesn't matter about anything but how the players feel. A lot of us should stop feeling and start thinking, it would stop a lot of problems. You are right, usually there are people whining for a respec just because they made mistakes. But this is different. The scale of the changes being made to suits means that, without a respec, plenty of people who have made good decisions would be forced into totally uncompetitive suit/weapon combinations, and in some cases, totally different playstyles (e.g. Min logi going from being the speed hacker to the chubby chaser). Either of these options is fine: 1. Everything stays as it is, choices stand (no respec). or 2. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, everyone gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus respec). This really is not: 3. Everything changes, choices no longer stand, but no one gets to make their choices again (suit lottery plus no respec) Changes in the skill tree, to me, is the only reason to give any SP back. They change stuff in EVE all the time and it isn't that bad. I think they have painted themselves into a corner and almost have to have to give back SP but at the same time we have had plenty of time to save SP for the upcoming changes that aren't even official yet. I completely understand if they decide to refund SP for suits but if they don't it isn't the end of the world. I like that CCP does things their own way, EVE would totally suck if they did what the players want. The new deployables are a prime example. People want the code rewritten and new stuff. They rewrote parts of the code to allow for deployable structures and then released them to see how they work. These structures are EVE2.0 but people are whining about them sucking or being pointless yet they provide content and are the foundation of the code all players want. CCP can't win no matter what they do. If they release the best content of all time the players ask why wasn't there more, if it sucks the players rage quit and if it is largely back-end changes and small stuff they are called inept and stupid even if the things released are fun and provided content. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:52:00 - [92] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 765	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:56:00 - [93] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. I am not, he said it takes a month to do anything in DUST and that EVE isn't the same way. If you are going proto then yes it does take a month but it isn't out of line with EVE. Standard and advanced gear is easy and inexpensive to get into. I am just showing that it does take time to get the best equipment because I don't think he is talking about skilling into basic or advanced gear. In EVE you don't need maximum SP into a specialization to be able to fight an assault frig. You could use a Thrasher(destroyer) or a Rifter/slasher. You can get a lv3 all skills Rifter in about 3 days.(gun, afterburner, shield booster, stasis web, Gyro.) In DUST if you want to run a moderately decent shotgun scout you need Biotics V, kincats 1, weaponry 3, lw op 4, and shotgun op 1. That's 1-2 mill SP right there, not to mention the sp for profile dampening and a STANDARD remote. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 420	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:58:00 - [94] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: respec has to happen all infantry skills i.e weapons, upgrades and dropsuits i have 2 mil sp in armor upgrades, i want out 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 780	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:16:00 - [95] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. Refer to post #3 of this thread for the primary argument for upgrade and weapon respecs. To add to it, what if I was a Min RPer who went Min Assault to wait for the Min Heavy? Light weapon skills, while not 100% useless, no longer fit my role. Similarly, an Amarr heavy who was waiting to go Amarr scout probably has millions tied up in heavy weapons that are unusable on the scout suit. Again, similarly, someone who went with their racial medium, say, Min Logi, to wait for the Min Heavy, probably has millions tied up in equipment skills that are literally unusable in a sentinel suit. I can come up with 1000s of similar examples, but you get the idea. Weapon and dropsuit upgrade skill choice are not separable from dropsuit command- everyone skills into them with their dropsuit in mind, and if dropsuit choices are changing, the other trees must be re-chosen as well.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6870	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:18:00 - [96] - Quote Um guys. I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10986	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:31:00 - [97] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Um guys. I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread. It better be filled with Respec ammo or the negative word of mouth Orbital Artillery just might deal a crippling blow Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:41:00 - [98] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: 'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies) small tech 2 rails 6 days medium tech 2 rails 20 days large tech 2 rails 48 days 24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull. 2 days for Damage control II 8 hours for Small armor repairer II 2 days for the medium armor repairer II 6 days for a Large Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate. You don't have to fly everything at tech 2..... Quit weighting the argument. I am not, he said it takes a month to do anything in DUST and that EVE isn't the same way. If you are going proto then yes it does take a month but it isn't out of line with EVE. Standard and advanced gear is easy and inexpensive to get into. I am just showing that it does take time to get the best equipment because I don't think he is talking about skilling into basic or advanced gear. In EVE you don't need maximum SP into a specialization to be able to fight an assault frig. You could use a Thrasher(destroyer) or a Rifter/slasher. You can get a lv3 all skills Rifter in about 3 days.(gun, afterburner, shield booster, stasis web, Gyro.) In DUST if you want to run a moderately decent shotgun scout you need Biotics V, kincats 1, weaponry 3, lw op 4, and shotgun op 1. That's 1-2 mill SP right there, not to mention the sp for profile dampening and a STANDARD remote. Edit: in DUST the quickest way into PC is proto basic, which costs 6-9 mill SP just to do, which is about 3-4 months. Now tell me, does EVE keep newbies from joinin the fray until they've grinded for 3-4 months to get 1 suit to even mediocre levels? Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:16:00 - [99] - Quote Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:20:00 - [100] - Quote Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:22:00 - [101] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 789	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [102] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only What about switching from shields to armor, or armor to shields? Or into/out of EWAR skills?
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:25:00 - [103] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Dropsuits and weapons respec is all that is needed. Core upgrades are fine as is. If your a logi, and you made a mistake in equipment, you can just use points from your weaponry to get the level equipment you need. the goal is to respec as little as possible. the dropsuit upgrade is obvious, i mean i have been a heavy since chromosome waiting for my minmatar heavy to drop. weaponry because, all weapon stats are changing, and this will lead to more diversity in weapon choices. period. in short. dropsuit skill tree and weapons skill tree only What about switching from shields to armor, or armor to shields? Or into/out of EWAR skills? all your core skills should be high by now anyways. you can always grind and get your core shields and armor up. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 20	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:25:00 - [104] - Quote Secondary to the "yes or no" conversation: if there is a respec, can we opt out to maintain our current skill trees? Or possibly get an email/evemail with our current trees so we can rebuild accurately? Daj Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel! I provide training: 1M isk: 90 Minutes of Basic Command
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 375	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:36:00 - [105] - Quote OK so once again I will reiterate the importance that CCP grants the players a repec. 1. This will help new players in that they can properly skill suit their suit of choice where they might have made mistakes in the skill tree. 2. Some people have been forced to spec into other roles because the roles they wanted to fufill did not exist. 3. There have been too many changes all at once to the suits and equipment, so some may not want to play the role they currently play. 4. The value of granting the respec will mean that more people will see value in buying boosters to finally skill further into their role CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 68	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:40:00 - [106] - Quote A respec would be fair for people who liked a playstyle or role that his/her race of choice didn't have. Fortunately for me, i'd basically spec into the same things i have now. Maybe i would invest better the SP for a couple lvl1 weapons i never liked but other than that i won't be leaving my current proficiency skills and dropsuits, only adding the new Gal Commando and maybe Sentinel plus new weapons.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 766	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:41:00 - [107] - Quote At the VERY VERY least, refund SP into heavy weapons, heavy/light tree, and equipment(nanocircuitry, uplinks, scanners) Current logis need to be able to take their current logi choice and be given the chance to 'spec' back with their racial choice. Heavies who are tired of being shortended need to be able to spec out, assaults/commandos/slayer logis need to be able to redistribute the SP they were given to be able to spec properly into the bew foundation CCP has laid out. 'No respec/refund' shafts scouts, logis(true ones), sentinels, and commandos. You simply CANNOT shaft 90% of the minority and expect to get away with it, just look at the american segregation. True, '90%' of the game is Fotm slayer logis and assaults, but just because they can live with spending 2.3 mill SP into their 1 new OP weapon is different than a Sentinel who wishes to go Caldari who's just spent 6-15 million SP into their 1 role that will be null: Armor upgrades, armor plates, repairers, HMG operation/proficiency, FG operation/proficiency, Sentinel operation. Refund those if you're deadset on only having a 100 player max like Armored Core V/VD. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:41:00 - [108] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:43:00 - [109] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else. Care to respond to any of the several compelling arguments as to why that's not enough? I will all day long. This is a fun topic to me. Ask away. Refer to post #3 of this thread for the primary argument for upgrade and weapon respecs. To add to it, what if I was a Min RPer who went Min Assault to wait for the Min Heavy? Light weapon skills, while not 100% useless, no longer fit my role. Similarly, an Amarr heavy who was waiting to go Amarr scout probably has millions tied up in heavy weapons that are unusable on the scout suit. Again, similarly, someone who went with their racial medium, say, Min Logi, to wait for the Min Heavy, probably has millions tied up in equipment skills that are literally unusable in a sentinel suit. I can come up with 1000s of similar examples, but you get the idea. Weapon and dropsuit upgrade skill choice are not separable from dropsuit command- everyone skills into them with their dropsuit in mind, and if dropsuit choices are changing, the other trees must be re-chosen as well. Don't get me wrong, CCP has made it where a refund is almost 100% needed. The point of my entire diatribe is that most skills we skilled into are needed for all suits and only a hand full of skills dictate minute to minute fighting. Anything more than a dropsuit refund isn't needed only wanted. Most items can be skilled into in a short amount of time. All gear doesn't need to be prototype to be able to play the game. I agree that we are going to get the shaft in suits. I skilled into Amarr assault for the weapon bonus and if they take it I will never use it again. I skilled into Amarr logi for the rep bonus so yes I do see the problem but at the same time we have had ample time to save our SP. Like the song says, you got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. We shouldn't let our feelings dictate the direction of the game, we need to think about what is best for the game not what is best for the individual. I have said many it many times and I'll say it again. All of our problems stem from a lack of content and not much else. One year from now I will almost bet my next years pay this will topic will still be here because it is based on emotion not thought. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10990	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:44:00 - [110] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2038	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:44:00 - [111] - Quote I'd support a refund for the dropsuit command tree. I'd love to see more people in the new suits right away instead of the slow trickle of people earning SP to skill into it. I know most of us vets are sitting on a pile of SP, but I want to see a more varied battlefield sooner rather than later. I mostly hope they change the drop suit tree to be closer to the new vehicle tree. It'd be great to have the newbies just put points into one skill to give access to all the racial variants of a certain type, but then give a skill that lets them get the most out of their favorite. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 68	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:46:00 - [112] - Quote I support a Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades respec. Not Weaponry. A nerf never meant respec before.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 766	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:47:00 - [113] - Quote Refuse a respec and the vets will still stomp the newbies. It's the way this game rolls: my Min scout will still hit at 400 knife damage a slash. My Cr will still melt nearly any single person within my clip. My amarr commando will still have a reload bonus to Combat rifles. My minmatar assault will get a bonus to my Mass Driver/flaylock. Go ahead, refuse me a refund, i'll simply play Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate more, i'll buy that 'Super niche' 300-400 playerbase game that treats it's players the way the want to be treated. I'll just return in half a year, with even more SP to blow than i have now, and i'll be twoce as powerful as i would be without a refund. And god help us, if CCP hasn't added PVE or corp contracts... I will simply stomp people all day long in my newly acquired Min Commando. I might even stomp the academy, just to test new suits on alts. T E S T M E . Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:52:00 - [114] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. news flash they won't need a respec then! Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2221	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:55:00 - [115] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10999	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:01:00 - [116] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Quick answer would i love to have a respec, yes. Do I think there should be a respec, no. CCP can't give in any time some sack starts to whine. A respec would give players like me too much of an advantage over the noobs. With the rampant proto stomping going on new players would be even more inclined to quit. You a- holes who insist on pub stomping aren't helping this game. You deserve to have your proficiency V rail rifle nerfed to death and live with the SP sinkhole it was lol! I have many weapons that I don't use anymore. One being the rail rifle! You want to show off your skill use a BPO suit and a BPO gun then go 50-0 I'll bow to you then. NO RESPEC FOR US over 10 mill sp. You want to help the new berrys under 10 mill sp gets a respec. To all you threatening to leave if you don't get a respec: YOU WONT STAY EVEN IF YOU GET ONE!! Change what you want CCP I'm staying!! its one thing to nerf a single weapon. or change a singe stat. Its another thing to change completely the way infantry operate and not give a dropsuit and weaponry respec. they did one for vehicles. they should do it for infantry too. You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer. News flash Proto stompers don't have bad investments, they have maxed out builds. Respecs do not, in any way, change this nature. What you're upset with is CCPs fault, not the players. news flash they won't need a respec then! Is DUST a video game, or real life? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 68	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:11:00 - [117] - Quote Does everyone understand how many man hours would be eaten up with a respec. They are having a hard time with delivering rewards to everyone. I think CCP is doing a great job with the limited resources they have. You think you deserve a respec you say you would come back or stay if they do. I haven't left. I have spent hundreds of dollars in support of this game. Not to pay 2 win but because this is a business! If they can't turn a profit it won't go on. I would rather they spend their precious time developing PvE, different modes, and improved gameplay. Don't give me a respec because I have some useless suits and weapons, rather spend time on core gameplay and additional content! Why don't you show how good you are, camp a high point, or run with a group of protos, and slaughter noobs gg!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:21:00 - [118] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead. So should they have given a frig respec when they tiericided the frigs? Lots of players would return and some would stay. Is it worth going back on their mantra or ideals to gain a small percentage of players? I agree that refunded SP would bring back and keep players but with CCPs track record of releases I honestly don't think it will help in the long run. They will give a respec, people will dump SP in OP weapons/suits or make stupid choices, like they do now, and in 5 months we'll be right back here because of the nerf/buff cycles that we will have till the the game shuts down. Content, content, and more content is what we need. Refunds are a band aid. If/when HAVs get re-rebalanced they will be begging for a respec because it isn't the win button they skilled into. Should they get one then or wait till medium vehicles or speeders are released? When will it be enough? "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:35:00 - [119] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Your are comparing being able to fight with endgame stuff. Any merc can fight in PC day one just like any EVE pilot can fly out to null day one. With out the support skills or a large fleet then it takes 3-4 months to be good enough to do what your are needed to do. Fly out to null in a month old toon and see what happens. There are months of support skills needed to do PC level things and null things. Don't compare PC to a a 100 ship fleet because they aren't the same. Time needed to be at the upper levels and in the hardcore areas of each game are around the same. There lies a difference though. The open world nature of EVE allows for very large groups of players to join together in a 'fleet' where new players are less of a hindrance when they are 1/100+ ships. Dust is 16v16 capped and 1 new player is a severe hinderance. Even then, SP refund isn't about protostomping, it's about newer and potentially returning players feeling better about massive sweeping changes that are happening and feeling more inclined to return or keep playing. There shouldn't be too many more reasons for people to justifiably ask for an SP respec if CCP can start to find some sort of balance in 1.8's line up of suits and weapons. New content won't justify a respec so hopefully they can reach a point where each patch doesn't actually justify a respec in the minds of a large portion of a playerbase. Whether or not a refund happens for 1.8 should NOT be about who does or does not deserve it. It should be about player retention and potentially bringing people back (like myself). CCP needs to decide which path leads to higher player count. I have my opinions about it, and so does everyone. CCP has more info on what they think will work better for the bottom line in the end, I'm sure that is what their choice will mostly be based on. Maybe that is where the discussion in this thread should lead. In the scope of the game it is the same, I don't have a proto suit (I have never even used a prototype suit), I use bpo weapons and advanced mods almost 100% of the time. The amount of SP needed to build one of my suits is very low compared to some guy running full prototype gear. In a good squad I have no problems what so ever in doing my job. Put me in a bad squad and I get rolled, fly in a good fleet and a pilot will do well and put the same exact pilot in the same setup in a bad fleet and they won't get past the gate. My point is that if you look at the amount of time needed to do end game things in EVE and then compare them to DUST then Dust is a cake walk when time is compared. Being a noob sucks in both games, getting into the game and developing experience and friends will mean more than almost any amount of SP. My EVE toon is around two years old and has 31M SP, my DUST toon is less than a year old and has 16M. I don't have the money or time or the skill to have 30M SP, that doesn't mean that I can't play or should be given special treatment. Yes I can go to PC, do my job and walk away happy but it doesn't have as much to do with SP as it does personal skill and the squad I run with. Low SP players have a place in DUST and in EVE and we shouldn't count them out. I am a horrible shot and a new player with good personal skill will own me every time, SP isn't all we make it out to be. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:37:00 - [120] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Is DUST a video game, or real life? Haven't you heard, EVE is real? Come on now this is as close as it comes to having a life that some of us will get. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke



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