17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue.

Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things?

17 pages, and this is so far a player monologue.

Can you have a discussion with us CCP? Or are you busy doing other more important things?

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They just made this thread so they no where to look when making arguments for and against a respec. Also the forums were being spammed by repsec, hiding other threads in the midst. They aren't commenting in order to keep hopes down in case they decide against it.

More like they made this thread to get the respec spam away from General Discussion.

If they wanted our input they would have made this thread weeks ago, and the devs would be replying to it.

Now lets put it in other terms. Lets say I bought a plane because I wanted to fly, but then you switch my plane and give me a boat. Both are vehicles but both vehicles have different purposes and that is what has happened with the suits. It's not that I bough a jet and you switched it for a cesna to make it fair because it's a cesna game. It's because I bought a plane to fly with and you gave me a boat that is used for a completely different purpose.

Hmm. If I had done that, I would consider it a waste. Or, not a waste, but a huge opportunity cost- that SP could have gone other, more useful places, like electronics/engineering.

I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of?

the content not being delivered

Maxing both has the added benefit of making you somewhat more resilient to balance changes. I did it for that very reason. It would appear that a lot of people chose not to, and instead dumped all their SP into whatever the forums said was best at the moment, that's their choice -- a choice they, for some reason, now wish to undo.

Yes to a respec. Reasons being:

1. People have been witing years forcontent, but were forced to allign with other gear. Case and poijt: Minmatars running Amarr heavies. I am a major fan of Lore and this bugs me. A Respec will allow me to fufill my Raciql Inventory

2. People will always skill into FOTM, but to survive. Some say tyey did this with the Flaylock, and now everyone runs RRs? Guess what, the description of the RR says it is thr best rifle to date. All we want CCP is the choice to Spec ijto what we want

3. We refuse to wait for our new, very likely buggy suits when we are wwiting for this update, and years before that. A respec will sait us

4. So what if we cry in the future.If people scree this up, you at least know you gave us the opporutuniity. It hasbeen very long since we lived with those mistakes.

5. A full Respec can allow Avrs to change if thry have given up on it, allow Gallente to spec iinto We mor fully instead of shieldd, and more. Dont beat around thr bush

6. If I get a full 13 million is SP respec, I will go Proto. Not to stomp players thoigh, but to have a viable suit to counter those who would tty and stomp me. Many ppl cant geneate billions of Isk in PC. Please allow us to at least have thr capacity to fight back.

7. It's a nice thing to do considering 15 of these 17 current pages are good arguents for a Respec, and the rest are weak.

8. "CCP never gIves Respecs" They are givin me all my suits now along with new equipment and weapons. Also, respecs have been given before.

9. "Proplr knew thr Flaylock pistol was OP and skilled into it anyway" Thry did it in hopes of killing thr other guy before they died. Also, CCP doesnt release OP weapons that people csn tell by. I will happily atgue about How the weapons of Dust fit together in trrms of Countering, start up another thread. Full respec for all who do what it takes to survive, and lose what they are in thr process. Ex: HMG use to beweak. Heavies use AR. People cty about a problem thry caused, along eith lack of Anti Infantry HWs.

10. You have a majoritg of players that want a respec, and a rrfudal will alienate thrm. Majority rules CCP, so please appease hs. Or I assure you thr next big Update will have your biggest ultimatum: Repec now sincr you didnt give us one in 1.8 or I rrfuse ti play this gam.

There's 10 points why to give a respec. Any disputers? And yes, I will debate you on this. Sorry about Spelling mistakes, typing this onthr Vta :)

I want a respec of dropsuit commands and upgrades. Why? Because the Amarr was the only heavy available so I had no choice. Also many suits are getting new bounuses changing my play style.

In all fairness you might want to give up all the progress you earned while wearing that suit too, in that case.

why should someone have to be stuck with the amarr heavy if they want the gallente heavy?

And also because it really won't hurt the game that much, if people use their respec to skill into the "fit of the month" it will only be good for a month, or until the next update, really not that big of a deal

some people may want to trim some fat or change into a playstyle that suits them better, what's wrong with that?

This game is so far from complete.

Until we have a stable foundation, arguments against respecs are emotional and nothing more. They do NO damage to ANYTHING but your own roleplaying and imagination.

Period.

What the other guy runs is HIS / HER business, not mine, and even if it changed drastically every 5 minutes, it NEVER effects me unless I allow it to.

Basically: get over yourselves, and play the game.

And before anyone regurgitates any FoTM crap, news flash: SP rich players are sitting on millions of unallocated SP so that THEY benefit from no respec. So, before you spout off that it hurts newer players, it does exactly the opposite, and if you can't see that then you clearly haven't played enough DUST

Accurate depiction of anti respec people

But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill.


Yeah, because surely noone will requestdemand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now.


With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to.

It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick.

I won't quit if there's no respec, but you can be damned sure that I won't be spending another cent on the game.

No one said the service was forever and ever. You received your service for the money you spent. The phone company changed from unlimited data to anything over 4GB is slowed down. I didn't want that service, ask for that service or even like what it has to offer but I have to take it. It is called life. Also, I am pretty sure somewhere in the agreement you agreed to there is a sentence that states that CCP has the right to change anything they want at anytime they want without notice. That sentence makes any and all monetary validated repecs null and void. You agreed and therefore they have your money and can do what they want. There is no legal issue here, it is all up to CCP.

It DOES matter when this game's major monetization route is items that increase the rate at which you gain SP. I paid good money to wait less, and by making me wait more by changing what skills I need to do what I want to do, CCP is essentially telling me that the money I spent earlier was a waste. Not just that, but that they deliberately made it a waste, by moving the goalposts after I kicked the ball and refusing to allow me to re-do the kick.

But they aren't stuck with it. Well, yes, they will have that skill, but having it doesn't prevent them from skilling into whatever they want today. People seem to be stuck in the mindset of games with a maximum level, where points in one skill meant they could never get some other skill.


Yeah, because surely noone will requestdemand respecs next time something is added or changed. Especially not if there is one now.


With a constant influx of SP, nothing prevents anyone from changing their playstyle as it is. Also, hanging on to your old skills means that when you grow tired of the new stuff, or it gets nerfed, you have something to fall back to.

I guess that's where we differ. I don't consider points dumped into skills I no longer use wasted. Back when I bought the skill, I apparently wanted it, and I may want to use it again in the future. Furthermore, I don't find it the least surprising that they change things, in fact, I've picked my skills based on the presumption that things are going to change.

I skilled in to the Min Logi for the hack speed bonus. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and spent my SP on something I was absolutely sure I liked. I've never once used a repair tool in my entire mercenary career, and have 0 SP in them. If you had asked me six months ago "Would you skill in to a suit that gave a bonus to repair tools?", I would have said no, and I will still say no today. My opinion and desired playstyle hasn't changed, but the effects of my carefully considered choices have changed drastically.

That warrants a respec.

lol
When i see some of the arguments against a respec, i can't help but think of those douchebags that don't want to raise the minimum wage.
"I have no need for it, and it doesn't benefit me at all . . . so why should i give a ufck about what these broke bastards want"?

Queue the BS about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and having to deal with the choices you made instead of helping to bring about a change that could be mutually beneficial for everyone. Sound familiar?

Look . . . I'm fairly new to this game and i love it; even with all it's flaws, and I'd like to see it thrive. And even though there may be some negatives to a respec I think the pros far outweigh the cons.

Yes for respec

Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules.

Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it.

I have noticed that most people against a respec are those that drive tanks. What are you afraid of?