My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base.

No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario.

Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method.

So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended.

My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base.

No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario.

Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method.

So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended.

dumbest argument ever: be wary because PS4 exists.
Most people didn't get it at launch, most people still don't have one. Hell, I didn't get my PS3 until 2010. Sony announced the PS5 is going to come out within 7 years. Or the new sony stream thing. Don't really need to care about getting a new system.

NO.

You do not represent the entire human race.
Over five million chose in a few months to buy a PS4.

And in June I will join them.
Why?
The BEST versions of the multiplat games are PS4.
And then theres PS4 EXCLUSIVES.

Versus.

Oh,hey theres Dust on this here PS3.

Ummm yeah.

Waiting for June.

Um guys.

I have this strange feeling that this thread is a trap and that CCP has a dreadnought in orbit ready to OB everyone in this thread.

Uhh.... did sony make a new rule that says you can't own a PS3 and a PS4 at the same time or something?

If I ran a business to business (b2b) company, and changed the software I released to a customer drastically, making their organizations planning go to hell, then I would be in no other position than to give that customer good will, or I would probably be fined and lose said customer.

Refunding infantry SP is a matter of professionalism and good will to the customers. Imagine if all employees at customer of you business would have to write several page long threads to your company about the issue at hand, without any official response for several weeks. Could you Imagine how pissed off the management of the customer company would be?

Maybe you cant understand the above, because you are 18 or younger and haven't had a real job yet. This is my only interpretation of the anti respec HTFU crowd.. Get a fking job

Extremely well put, kind of my same thought too. It's not about who does or does not deserve it, it's about goodwill and professionalism.

+1

Also, one important fact is that few peeps actually spend money on SP boosters. This furter complicates motivating not giving a full infantry respec, due to the fact that CCP may lose out on a business opportunity if the player cant see the value in buying SP boosters when their builds may change for the better or worst with every patch.

Im not even going to post goodbye if I dont get my infantry SP refunded. Ill just be gone ;)

So first you're for respecs, then you're against it.

First you state it's simply good will, that the should do it to keep as much of this dwindling playerbase as possible, then you stare that they shouldn't because it's better for their pockets?
I seem to have the other idea. If you keep shitting on your customers, demanding that they put up with what your changes to their decisions are, nobody with a budget would spend money to 'accelerate' their learning, because CCP will just curb stomp your decisions again and again. Less boosters, less money.
However if people actually have a feeling of customer worth, that when sweeping changes come by they'll be given fair treatment, they'll spend more BOOSTERS to optimize the setups they ACTUALLY want to run,not the nostalgic 'ahh, this thing used to have bonuses to hacking/profile dampeneing/armor repair/taco efficacy, now it's a reload bonus for nova knives.'

CCP said, NO MOR RESPECS! Can u read?
JUST SAY NO to respecs/refunds.
im happy with my choices.
fk the new garbage man suits. Im OP. Nerf me.
Ako heavy, packing Proto SCR :)

I think you've misinterpreted Spectral's post- I think he's saying exactly what you're saying, and what I said earlier this thread. If the skills I bought with Boosted SP no longer apply to my desired role, it is as though the booster and the money I spent on it has been wasted, and what's more, has been deliberately made a waste through CCP's refusal to allow respecialization.

I must thx Dust fiend and D legendary for awesome job with one totaly (i dont know how interpret that persona) person who is actually stuborn and selfish how human beign just can be. That was oawesome job boyos (honestly after that time i will be maybe push to do something really bad XD

Uhh.... did sony make a new rule that says you can't own a PS3 and a PS4 at the same time or something?

I've only just realised what a respec would actually mean - and I've got to tell you... I WANT IT!!

You know most people will take their new found sp and spec into the newest FOTM. Sure it would be great but will that bring more PPL to this game? We would both live without a respec. Would the time be better spent developing new mode for new players. I finally got a buddy of mine ,COD player, to play dust. After one day of playing NS, FA pub stompers he won't be playing anymore. He buys every update for that POS game. It would be nice to have PPL like him playing dust. Giving the proto stompers a chance to change up bad sp investments is not the answer.

I'm simply saying that if there is going to be any sort of a respect, it must be geared towards ONLY the affected items. And I think some of the wiser vets out there that have posted in this thread know where the other vets come from when they demand respecs beyond what they deserve.

That doesn't even enter my line of thinking. The FotM thing will be a result of a respec more than likely but it will not change my game at all. I don't have a problem with HAVs, the CR/RR will be nerfed and any other problems like that are trivial thing that I don't even notice.

I don't say things I don't believe in because that is for liars, cheats and pussies. I say what I think whenever I want to whomever I want. No exceptions. Here is what I believe. You are butt hurt about something that you want and can't immediately obtain or you are butt hurt that other players may make better choices than you. I will agree that refunding SP will add some diversity to what we see on the battlefield but other than that it is a way for players to make the game more fair because they don't like not winning every time.

People who want fair PVP games are pussies of the highest order

No, your "theory" is a stupid way to hide from the reality that some people actually have believes and opinions different from yours. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean everybody else is having it too and just is scared because of something.

Aikuchi, I take your lack of response to my post (Post #175) to mean that you have no valid counter-argument. Please respond or admit that respecs are justified.

The only thing you're doing now is trying to discriminate my answers with childish insults. Way to go.

Hint: If something you say is so common I could just say the same thing about your opinion then it isn't valid to say.

you are wrong. I beleive in Justice and I hold people to their promises. If you break a promise you are a liar. period. I dnt give a **** who you are, or what you beleive. Right is right and wrong is wrong, period. it doesn't matter what the hell you "feel".

Every thing is being changed. CCP needs to keep their promises. Thats it.




People who like unbalanced games are pussies of the highest order. Your the type of person who would **** a women because you "can", or pick a fight with a 7 year old becuase you have "advantage" forget about right or wrong. That is cowardice. You are scared of a fair fight and want as much advanage as possible. That is *****. period.

**** you and your beliefs.