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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.22 04:35:00 -
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Honestly don't care that much either way, I'm hoping for one but I won't be massively disappointed if CCP doesn't give one. Heck, I'll be on Dark Souls 2 for about two months, who needs respecs when you've got passive SP? Though I'll admit, it would seem a bit odd if vehicle pilots got a respec but infantry didn't. Kind of flipping the bird to a chunk of the player base there. I just want to ditch my logi and get my core skills maxed out My scout needs some boosts!
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:46:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Eldest Dragon wrote:After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset.
If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways)
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:45:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Eldest Dragon wrote:After all the new suits and weapons added we deserve a respec. Please. You deserve a respec because there is new free content? I don't get this mindset. If a respect is deserved for anything, it's because the choices the players made when picking these suits are no longer there. Changing the PG/CPU on a suit is one thing, but changing the bonuses and setting those suits into a completely different roll is another. I didn't spec into my Amarr Logi suit for drop uplinks, I did so because I wanted 20 armor repair rate a second. That being said, I still don't care that much either way, but I'm hoping for a respec simply so I can max out some of my core skills and ditch the logi suit. Scout suit and nova knives are more fun and I'd rather play like that than spending all my time dropping uplinks with a suit that's already much weaker compared to the other logi suits (Outside of the minmatar anyways) So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.* Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If yes, then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary. If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth. * I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. If you disagree with the changes to the extent that you'd rather switch your class than keep playing the class, then asking for a respec is just avoiding the underlying issue, not solving it.
In all honesty, no, I didn't really get it to be a logi, at least that wasn't my main intention when I picked the suit. I liked the idea of having such a high armor repair rate as well as a sidearm, though I eventually started moving a bit further towards the logi playstyle and have found it to be quite fun. As for switching my class, I'm not doing it so much because of the changes, but rather that I'm just tired of having a slow suit that not only will longer have the bonuses that I specced into it for, but will also be focused entirely on uplinks (Something I usually end up doing anyways, but not because I want to) I play this game to have fun more often than not, and while I like winning, I'd much rather be in my scout suit than a logi. *Shrugs* Basically at this point, what the new bonuses regulate me to is drop uplinks, something I find very boring as it usually involves taking a dropship up to some high place or staying further away from the action to ensure the team actually has somewhere to spawn.
Long story short, I'd rather be playing a scout, but if I have to and we don't get a respec, I'll eventually put more points into the logi playstyle to make it better than what it is.
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:50:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:So you chose a logistics suit for a bonus that didn't make any sense in the face of its intended role, of which there was a general consensus among players that it shouldn't have been there in the first place and that people have been waiting to be removed for almost half a year now.*
Was the logistics part of the suit even a central part of your decision making? If yes, then you still have your relevant core and EQ skills so that your suit will still fill its intented role decently and you can switch to your now preferred racial variant with minor hiccups. A respec would ease the pain but is hardly necessary.
If not, then I have very little simpathy for the emotional argument you bring forth.
* I'm not entirely happy with the specific changes to my logi suit either but that has no bearing what so ever on the wholly unrelated subject of respecs. If you disagree with the changes to the extent that you'd rather switch your class than keep playing the class, then asking for a respec is just avoiding the underlying issue, not solving it. In all honesty, no, I didn't really get it to be a logi, at least that wasn't my main intention when I picked the suit. I liked the idea of having such a high armor repair rate as well as a sidearm, though I eventually started moving a bit further towards the logi playstyle and have found it to be quite fun. As for switching my class, I'm not doing it so much because of the changes, but rather that I'm just tired of having a slow suit that not only will longer have the bonuses that I specced into it for, but will also be focused entirely on uplinks (Something I usually end up doing anyways, but not because I want to) I play this game to have fun more often than not, and while I like winning, I'd much rather be in my scout suit than a logi. *Shrugs* Basically at this point, what the new bonuses regulate me to is drop uplinks, something I find very boring as it usually involves taking a dropship up to some high place or staying further away from the action to ensure the team actually has somewhere to spawn. Long story short, I'd rather be playing a scout, but if I have to and we don't get a respec, I'll eventually put more points into the logi playstyle to make it better than what it is. Thanks for the level headed reply. I personally think that the drama we currently have, for the most part, could have been avoided and falls mainly under CCP's responsibility. Many players find themselves with the prospect of having millions of SP invested in gear they won't use, because the old bonuses often failed to define a clear niche for the play style they were supposed to encourage and there's little they could do about it besides using foresight in a rather volatile environment. With that said. The changes, while not perfect, pose a great leap in the right direction to give every frame the role it was supposed to promote all along. The roles have not so much been changed but rather fleshed out and the overall approach to fitting and playing the different classes, according to their intended role, has not changed on a fundamental level. While i wouldn't throw a fit if a partial respec happened, the extend of these changes alone doesn't seem to mandate one (let alone a full refund). Both because it would be a precedent for future cases of suit/vehicle+skill bonus changes which will inevitably happen and because there's no reason to refund whole trees that are not affected in any direct way. The only full refund i feel would be unequivocally for the better of Dust would be with the release of all missing racial variants. Doing this would help getting a balanced and diverse composition of suits/vehicles on the battlefield which should enrich the gameplay overall. Even the player market and economy would profit profit from a clean slate.* I dearly hope this will be the case with 1.8 so this ongoing discussion can finally end. i've been around for two full respecs now and i didn't feel either had improved the game in any meaningful way. Quite the opposite. The funny thing is: At that time i was the very kind of new player these respecs are supposed to help. *Note that i am not talking about any individual player but about Dust as its own ecosystem.
*Glances up at quote length* Well, this is getting long...
Honestly, I like the fact that CCP is trying to help the logi suit actually fulfill it's roll. The logi's right now are essentially better than the assaults in almost every way, more slots, more CPU/PG, and only at the cost of a few HP and hit points that can easily be surpassed with a single module or two. Plus they've got so many equipment slots, there's just not much of a reason to choose assault right now over a logi. The bonuses though just aren't really what I prefer. Not only that, but I can't help but think having the Amarr logi bonuses will actually discourage people from speccing into uplinks. After all, why get into something when militia and basic are all you need to be effective? 20 spawns for a basic uplink? Yes please. Advanced and proto? Who needs em.
I agree though, but I can't say I'm looking forward to waiting for CCP to release everything. I can't help but think that we're all basically play testers right now, paying CCP to test their game for them so they can work out the bugs. And yeah, I'm definitely one of those people who have a lot invested in things I don't use. A full respec would give me about 5 million to spare (possibly more) As for the respecs not really changing much... agreed. They really don't, it just allows players to specialize in the things they want a bit faster, regardless of whether or not they have 40 million SP. I know I only invested in things like the Minmatar logi originally and the assault rifles because there was nothing more fun to choose from at the time.
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:54:00 -
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I'm... just gonna avoid the quote to cut down on text walls... plus I've only really got one last thing to say on this, that thing being another agreement towards seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec. I remember the respec with uprising, it took people a few weeks to figure out what they wanted. I just went straight back into what I had and was happy with it, especially because no one had any AV unlocked and my tank could destroy everything. Then everyone got the proto swarm launchers and I couldn't survive long.
It's probably not the best thing though that my biggest reason for not wanting a full respec is so that the FoTM chasers will suffer for abusing certain aspects in the game that are/were unbalanced...
And I do enjoy being versatile, though at the moment, there's not much of a reason to choose an AR over a CR. The Tac rifle is okay I suppose, but until RR's get balanced, they're not really worth having. Same probably goes for a few other suits and items.
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:56:00 -
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Western Ways wrote:I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with this, but... It's very difficult to enjoy the game with some of these FoTM's. I don't need to say a thing towards tank spam but I will anyways. It's not fun. It's not enjoyable to always have to focus on dealing with a bunch of tanks AND the Gallente proto logis with their rail rifles sitting on top of their triage nanohives. (The second of which I don't care about as much as my Nova Knives know not of this thing called Armor Repair Rate) Also, I don't think tanks are OP, I just think there are too many of them. It's annoying having six tanks in a single match, and it guarantees that you can't play the way you want unless you want to get stomped into the ground.
[qoute=]Malkai Inos wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: ...seeing huge amounts of FoTM fittings after a respec...
Well, if items stay OP for a long time (which is the REAL FOTM PROBLEM) players will just grind SP to get that OP sh*t. Increase in FOTM builds might be correlated to a respec.
......but
The real FOTM problem is caused by game imbalance, not respecs.
David Hume wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation.[/qoute]
True, correlation doesn't equal causation, but it does allow everyone to jump on that bandwagon that much faster. Take the flaylock for example. I never got to the Core variant in the short time that it was labeled OP before CCP nerfed it into the dirt. Only reaching advanced level, I even thought it was fine the way it was. I didn't think it was OP because I'd barely specced into it. I know I'm not the only one who was in this situation either, my corp CEO got the core right on the day it was nerfed. Now... why CCP fixed the flaylock so quickly (Which had a number of severe limitations compared to other sidearms) and haven't had such speed with some of the other weapons, I'll never know.
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.27 06:51:00 -
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Buck Giroux wrote:Here is my opinion, and something everyone should think about. Of course I would like a respec, change some things and not spec into things that turned out to be bad or not fitting fir my play style, this problem however could be forever gotten rid of if there was a way to test out things before you bought them in some sort of training planet. As far as new things coming out or changing, or new variants of suits a respec shouldn't be given. New things come out all the time, take the last car you bought, when the new model comes out you don't get a full refund so you can go spend it on the newest and best model. You just have tosave up and then get the new shiny weapon or suit that you want. So keep playing and earn the new toys, stop looking for a free hand out.
Go ahead and troll me Dust Bunnies...
That actually brings up a good point... why the heck doesn't Dust have a test server where you can use all the gear with maxed out skills to see what you like? Eve does, so why not Dust?
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:57:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Respecs are like unlimited cake supply; it might taste good but you get fat and lazy.
Or you could use that unlimited regenerating cake to end world hunger.
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:19:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:hot dog! only 2 more pages till a full respect. the million clone event is supposed to be CCP's way of saying no respec, but here is enough SP to get any one new thing you want to proto.
I like the idea and event. but CCP your gonna have to give me at least 2 million SP to forget about a respec. lets barter
Omega booster
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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