How does it help the vet who's already saved a ton of SP to skill instantly into the new FOTM, or anything for that matter?

How does forcing newer players to keep incomplete builds that are now completely wrong help them?

lol everyone who asks for respec just wants to instantly have new PRO gear or doesn't have any sense of progression. I'm interested in new weapons, Scouts and other Assaults but you don't see me crying for respec.

lol everyone who asks for respec just wants to instantly have new PRO gear or doesn't have any sense of progression. I'm interested in new weapons, Scouts and other Assaults but you don't see me crying for respec.

I already have 3 proto-suits. I have 4 more advance suits- and enough LP and salvage from PC to run proto on them for the next few months. I have 8 prototype weapons (9 if you count explosives). I maxed out everything in Dropsuit Upgrades. A respec doesn't hurt me. A respec doesn't really help me as I already have too much crap to actually use. Denying a respec just hurts the other players that haven't been here as long as us. Aldin, you're a ****.

I hope that they don't give a respec so all of you can cry some more. If they do you will be crying for another in a few months because the suits they will release will be unbalance or just plain junk and they will be changed withing three months. You all drop more tears than a 2 year old.

Because you have 30 mil sp
Like it or not we are getting one
And I already have proto

This is because CCP was too dense to realize that their Battle Academy has a terrible WP limit to leave.

Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want:

Cloak Scout with PRO knives
Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle
Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG
Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia

It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long).

Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year

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Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it.

It is one thing to want a respec because you're just tired of the stuff you skilled into.

It is another thing to want a respec for new content since racial variants (especially for dropsuits) should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. This I think makes a respec completely justified, but its not the biggest reason.

Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying an expensive sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into an expensive tractor. The tractor may be a great tractor, but if you're a race car driver and not a farmer then you're screwed; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required.

The Minmatar logi is such an example.


I thought the idea that these big changes warranted a respec would be clear and obvious to CCP, but CPM member Hans Jagerblitzen has informed me that its not guaranteed yet. This should be a guaranteed thing, not a maybe.

For those worried about the favorite-of-the-month chasers, the respecs do not create the the problems, its poor balancing that leads to FoTMs; they will just get nerfed and re-balanced anyway.

The fundamental issue is our choices not being invalidated. Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true.

So yeah, respec for 1.8 please, for dropsuit command at the very least. Ideally all infantry skills. Here is why:

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Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want:

Cloak Scout with PRO knives
Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle
Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG
Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia

It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long).

'In Eve' it doesn't take an entire month to start to run 1 weapon type(shotguns, swarms, snipers) or to even get 1 dropsuit class (heavies)

everyone already knows CCP doesn't care about a market. Booster sales are the prime focus. Hence allowing FoTM every patch. Notice its never the same thing twice. Why make something OP if everyone already has skills in it?

small tech 2 rails 6 days
medium tech 2 rails 20 days
large tech 2 rails 48 days

24 days to fly a tech 2 frig with no support skills, it only gets you in the hull.

2 days for Damage control II

8 hours for Small armor repairer II
2 days for the medium armor repairer II
6 days for a Large

Jut to get into a tech 2 frig with only a T2 version of damage controls, railguns and armor repairs takes around 28 days. A weapon in dust can be skilled into in about 2 hours and an advanced within a day. I don't think you are 100% accurate.

Then the playerbase will die and this will be grind514 for a year

I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads.



There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it.

You don't have to fly everything at tech 2.....

Quit weighting the argument.

It doesn't take a year to get good gear.

Even this much SP isn't enough for me to go on other suits that I want:

Cloak Scout with PRO knives
Caldari Assault with PRO combat Rifle
Minmatar Assault with shotgun/SMG
Minmatar Logi for team support + Chromosome nostalgia

It truly is going to be sad to see CCP lower themselves further to accept unnecessary demands by its playerbase that doesn't play this game properly and have no sense of progression. If anything, players should be asking when is Player Market coming (crucial aspect of game missing for too long).

If you need more tinfoil I have an extra roll at the house.

Players are a whiners, we want it all right now the way we want it and it better be perfect. It doesn't matter that the noob didn't read or consider what they were doing when placing SP. It doesn't matter that people skilled into things that were OP for the simple fact that they were OP. It doesn't matter about anything but how the players feel. A lot of us should stop feeling and start thinking, it would stop a lot of problems.

Dropsuit command respec. That's it. No need to respec anything else.