It's a video game, let people use their SP how they want in relation to all these new changes

I for one will just collect passive for a good long while if they deny us a full infantry respec.

Tons of nice games already out and soon to be out.

I've only put in a little over $100, which is still a lot for a free game. If I had money that could be wasted I would have spent much more.

I for one am looking at ESO right now since my brother said he'll buy me a years time. I have no problem setting this down for a good long while, though I would definitely suggest different games to people, and explain to them why paying for DUST is a trap by design.

If we get a respec, I'm setting this game down for a good long while. Since 1.7 dropped, I've just run silly suits and honestly hung in there for my corp. They are a great bunch of folks, but this topsy turvy game flip flopping changes every.single.fuking patch is getting too much to bear. I've been here about a year now...maybe longer, I honestly don't know how to tell, but since then all my local friends have left and I refuse to recruit a new player into this hot mess.

Waiting for Destiny so hard.

The call for a discussion for a respec, whether warranted or not, by CCP only puts in my mind how out of sync the game is to where they expect it to be. Since I started playing this game, I've lived through I -believe- 2 respecs. This would be the 3rd though it feels like more than that. (The full respec from beta, the vehicle one, and I feel like there was one more in the middle but I could be wrong)

Either way, at this point, I don't feel like CCP has their sh*t together at all and with all their black box of 'our hands are tied and we just can't tell you the direction we *think* we're going', I think only gives them further liberty to not have to admit that their roadmap is no where in the works. I feel like its a game of guessing instead of actual calculated progression into a real vision of something. I'd rather get the respec and sit on it then spend the sp to yet again have it given back to me for another glaring overhaul. I'll just wait a few years and see if anything meaningful between dust and eve exists yet.

It is a trap by design, much like the lottery. I have enjoyed the money I have spent on DUST. If nothing else this crazy ass forum is worth the money spent.

My argument would be not if just the majority of the player base wanted it, but if the CPM agreed with the player base.

No matter how many reasons we come up with, for why there should be a respec (although many arguments in this thread are valid in themselves with little need for explanation, yet are also explained) we elected a CPM to be our voice of reason, no matter how delirious or drunk we got, it was a democratic decision, that we elected mayors that would stand beside the people, with an authority, and say "yes, or "no", to our developers, who you could say are like the president and his secretaries in this scenario.

Sure a president and the secretaries could say "no", even thought his people and their representatives say "yes", but isn't that the french revolution in a nutshell? Don't get me wrong "viva la revolution!" but, we elected to have a CPM to avoid this issue instead of having a "monarchy" that completely looses support of the majority of people, which proceeds to crumble and fall apart? Sure, we can't go cut off the CEO's head, but we can sure as hell ditch the game, and if you lose 51% of a player base, or more, you're not going to be able to sustain this game and its f2p+transaction method.

So cast your vote, contact your CPM of choice with your opinion (not just " 'cause I want it! " but include a short valid argument why) and let democracy work as design intended.

i think we whould get 1 last respec (being warned that is the last). Also the respec option with aur is a good idea 4 days to come as it is a name change (is not like u cant get an identity change in the EVE univers blackmarket ) and personalization features like those on eve, these r good ways to get incomes on free to play games.

Because your definition would lead to a respec every single patch, leaving the skillsystem with basically no worthwhile function beyond a pointless powergrind.

At that point just gutting the SP system altogether and going with ordinary character levels would be more sensible as that is effectively what the progression would boil down to.

The market is full of games that do just that.


Again. Bad balance is bad balance is bad balance! Respecs have nothing to do with it.

Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7.

1.8 may well become the time I set the user free never to return to the digital realm of New Eden ..

no respec confirmed link

No no no! We want a Respec just for 1.8, not consistent ones. Consistent Respecs destroys Dust since none of your choices give meaning! All that is needed is this one respec so we can clear the air and refresh ourselves. I do not support consistent respecs however that can be done at will, even if for money.

Full Respec for this second to last time or until Dust has another MASSIVE (This does not mean the introduction of the Pilot suits) overhaul

NO PAID RESPECS

Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8.

Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side.

Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice.

Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets.

Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter.

What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for newer players than for older ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game.

So you're against any respecs ever again? Cool, even better. You finally get New Eden, it's fair because we're all equally fuc*ked.

Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time.

Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects?

Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice.

CCP dont 'do a Sony' please.

Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple.

Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum.

FOTM won't go away because there's no respect. There will always be FOTM chasers. Why punish people who are getting their suits changed because some people will chase whatever is OP?

This works with me. I plan on going all Minmatar anyway, for better or worst, along with Core Dropsuits. So many people have SP they wish they didn't spend.