Isn't there a skill to reduce bullet spread?

I too have been playing with this build I have my cataluzers to advanced as well this helps with mobility ut still not enough to really close the gap. A new problem is developing is that it is very hard to turn in close quarter combat. I have adjust my settings o 100 but I am getting massively out straifed in my close quarter role. Logies do circles around me.

Obviously the range was hit hard but I'm ok with that if that was all that is going on but less damage and poor straife speed on top of the range is making this suit not much fun to play anymore.

I too have been playing with this build I have my cataluzers to advanced as well this helps with mobility ut still not enough to really close the gap. A new problem is developing is that it is very hard to turn in close quarter combat. I have adjust my settings o 100 but I am getting massively out straifed in my close quarter role. Logies do circles around me.

Obviously the range was hit hard but I'm ok with that if that was all that is going on but less damage and poor straife speed on top of the range is making this suit not much fun to play anymore.

Isn't there a skill to reduce bullet spread?

Damage is fine, the range does need to be looked at. I don't want to be able to snipe people with it but at over 10 meters Red's can take you out with out any fear.

Not looking for a massive increase in range, but it really does need something done with it.

Yea I facepalmed when I saw the speed of strafing, but that's another matter altogether lol. Just trying to give people a view from an HMG user in an honest way.

So lance, just by this first look into the heavy, how do you see us in PC? are we going to be useful or make a difference like before?

Copying and pasting from another thread:

It's pretty pathetic what they've done to the heavy this build. I can't imagine what was going through CCP's head when they decided that nerfing the damage on proto to below standard was a good idea. It also seems they haven't done anything about our horrible bullet spread. The description of the heavy is the exact opposite of what they've done to it. How fair is it that I'm now restricted to sitting on an objective worrying because some shotgun scout might get into my optimal range. I shouldn't have to worry about anyone being in my optimal range, I should just be able to pull the trigger and be done with it. The fact that I even have to worry AT ALL about someone being in my optimal range is... well, a joke. Oh no, that person got to close to me, too bad I can't run away.

I'd also like to add that I shouldn't have to use a forge gun 24/7 to remain proficient. The fact that the forge gun is the only proficient heavy weapon in the game just reinforces the fact that the suit is becoming nothing more than an under-equipped camp machine. They are now useless in what a heavy is supposed to dominate in, CQC.

What about the reduced scan radius' of all suits? Do you find that's helping you keep off the radar?

Isn't there a skill to reduce bullet spread?

/me jots this issue down as hands on testing required urgent.

Has anyone played with the 'assault' variant HMG's? MO-4? To compare their range to that of std? I had been carrying one with a complex DM and a submachinegun as cqc backup.. I plan to have a logibro with tool and stick with my squad. No lone wolfing..

+1

I hope CCP looks at the HMG again. They making allot of Heavies change roles to a more viable one. This is suppose to be a game of variety.

I felt sorry for the heavies in the game I was in earlier...all of them went negative...ON A CQC MAP.

Pretty much summed it up Lance.

I was going to do this thread but no need.

Once I got used to the aim and feel again. I realised it wasn't me that sucked so hard. It was my boundless.

I actually might QQ!

I thought about using the Assault version, but I wanted to see how the normal one worked in CQC...

After seeing how it performed, I was scared to see the Assault version in action.

I am just saying normally the CPM wouldn't bother with most balance issues unless its broken. From the sounds of it, the HMG is not fun to be shooting ergo thus broken.

At least there seems to be no cries of getting shot by something being totally unfun yet.

Either way uprising just came out and its going to be a while before bearings are set and feeling of the battlefield is tuned to see things as a whole picture.

I didn't want to use the boundless... it's not worth it man. I have allot of ISK to spend, but I'm not gonna waste it on something like that. May as well run Adv suits and HMG's and hope you don't die 3-4 times.

Right, so you're basically agreeing that the heavy is ****** and that we just have to "wait it out." How fair is it that we have to wait for another build just to be able to do something BESIDES armor tanking? How can you talk about the whole picture when CCP is obviously focusing on a single part of it? It's more than just broken, the class has been completely destroyed.

Fixing crap by the numbers doesn't require a new build and can and should be hot fixable.

However it does require a developer and the most I can do is shove input on balance priority.

The reason why I require hands on by myself and other cpm is to verify the issue instead of being blindly told its broken.

Fixing crap by the numbers doesn't require a new build and can and should be hot fixable.

However it does require a developer and the most I can do is shove input on balance priority.

The reason why I require hands on by myself and other cpm is to verify the issue instead of being blindly told its broken.

Fixing crap by the numbers doesn't require a new build and can and should be hot fixable.

However it does require a developer and the most I can do is shove input on balance priority.

The reason why I require hands on by myself and other cpm is to verify the issue instead of being blindly told its broken.

The range can be fine, but the bullet spread makes it hard to judge. Same with damage. The damage can be fine, but when your bullets is shooting at and AROUND the target, it's hard to judge what the problem is, and THAT'S where CCP went wrong with the nerfing.

The nerfed damage AND range the same time. So what's the problem now? How can you judge progress when small steps is not taken?

This I respect. Much more approachable than Mr. Jagerblitzen.....

Please do check out the HMGs yourself and let us know if you agree or not. I'd like to hear from someone who is not normally a heavy and see what they have to say about it.

I am just saying normally the CPM wouldn't bother with most balance issues unless its broken. From the sounds of it, the HMG is not fun to be shooting ergo thus broken.

At least there seems to be no cries of getting shot by something being totally unfun yet.

Either way uprising just came out and its going to be a while before bearings are set and feeling of the battlefield is tuned to see things as a whole picture.

I will I been shot and shot plenty of people with HMGs last build as an Omni-soldier, if my gimped self cant be effective on the field with it nor could I see it being feild capable you're going to have someone fighting in getting that fixed.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

/me jots this issue down as hands on testing required urgent.

I know for a fact many heavies have switched over to light infantry and it saddens me.

Personally after using all classes and finding my niche, i can't see myself playing this game if I'm not a heavy.

This is a team game?!?!? Who knew?!?

I actually agree with you about the range thing, though. I remember CHICAGOCUBS4EVER had his HMG tweaked to nearly Tactical Assault Rifle range, and I thought that was a little extreme. However, most of the time I found the range of the HMGs prior to Uprising was perfectly acceptable, and this is coming from someone who's only played as assault.

2.7mil SP into SS and yes the HMG had insane range. I have never denied that nor have I disputed any claims that it was a bit excessive.

but the range at SS 6 or 7 was realistic, provided viability and made the game fun. Perhaps even fixing the broken percentages where everything rounded up would have resolved this on its own.

instead, lets just make the HMG and the shotgun the same range.

I'm actually fine with the damage nerf... needed? no not at all, but with the HP buff (and in honesty its not much of a buff compared to the shield variant before, its just now SLOWER and has 1 more slot on the right) it creates more imbalance.

the range is what made the heavy fun. was it a little over the top before? sure... and so was the laser, AR and pretty much everything... but their was BALANCE

honestly if they had a sharpshooter skill for heavies that increased range, i would be interested to see where it would max out with the current effective range...

The thing about the SS skill is it was available to everyone so if you didn't have it IMO yo were slipping. I can't count the number of times I was taken out by a dot on the horizon wielding a Duvolle in about 1.5 seconds.

If they had only removed everyone's SS the game would still be balanced just like it was in Chromosome

The thing about the SS skill is it was available to everyone so if you didn't have it IMO yo were slipping. I can't count the number of times I was taken out by a dot on the horizon wielding a Duvolle in about 1.5 seconds.

If they had only removed everyone's SS the game would still be balanced just like it was in Chromosome

few realize that cause no one in their right mind would skip over at least a couple levels of SS as early as possible

Yea I took SS to lvl 3 asap not even gonna lie

I had mine at SS Prof 3. It was beautiful.

Sweet i was working on it but alas *sighs*

If you're still running heavy after a day, I feel for ya..

Yea I was on 4. I worked on that before working on HMG Prof. Range was more important to my playstayle than damage.

:( CCP nerfed both lol

I actually put all of my close to 10 mil into the heavy class, even though knowing what had been discussed before this build... and what can I say, after playing several hours, I can't change my class now, Im stuck with the heavy, so I guess I will just... wait for better days? =P

OK, Heavies are fine to the average VET
I have not had too much additional troubles pwn'in faces as before uprising.
EXCEPT the stupid slow turning speed. Now when scouts get in my face I **** my pants as I try to keep up with them (maxed sensitivty). This was originally boner city as ne one within 10meters would die in less then 2 seconds.
Heavies can no longer show off their dancing skills with strafing, BOOO!
Aside from that, heavies are still quite formidable. Ya we got a nerf but so did everything else practically.

I will say that forges guns are coming out more often than they used to.
75% of the time I would rock HMG and melt faces, now role has almost switched with the forge gun.
HMG can still poop in peoples mouths (within its new range) you just need to be more accurate.
See what happens when you hit someone on the dot of your reticle with a Burst machine gun (I was getting 1 shot burst last night, on ADV suits!). HMG can no longer be utilized as spray and pray, the DMG just isn't there.

NOW for newberts starting out in the game, they will ultimately get pwnd. Its almost not worth speccing heavy unless you have good amount of SP already. (~6mil sp). As a 1012eHP PROTObear, I am already having some trouble keeping up with top end assualt/logi players in advanced suits. There is no incentive for newbies to play heavy currently, without a CCP hotfix that will never come, the heavy population will plummet.

This game is a hard game to commit to with all its current trouble and bugs, but ultimately needs a bigger player base so that CCP wont be so desperate to empty our wallets and might be able to budget a bigger/better team for development.
NOOBS are super frustrating, but are necessary for our beloved game to thrive.

Nonetheless we are ultimately gambling that this game with be amazing 6months-1yr down the road.
So really, ENOUGH QQ MORE PEW PEW.
If you can no longer stand this game after a couple weeks into this Uprising build then find another game, the constant bitching and whining does not make our game better.

SIDENOTE: Ever since Uprising came out, my PS3 no longer suffer constant hard freezes (w/ PS3s IP set in DMZ in router).
I used to freezing everything ******* game and hadn't hit cap in the past two weeks. Lots of homos like me have this trouble stil, try this DMZ option if you have done the PS3's restore database and file system, unistall/restal dust clientl, game data deletion.....etc.

The HMG from Fanfest had other Stats completely different from uprising? thats shocking to say the least, how come they changed to uprising.

Hey IWS, in uprising we can barely take 2 people down before reload where is chromosome we could take between 4-6 people or more if we were in the right position like in a hallway.

The HMG from Fanfest had other Stats completely different from uprising? thats shocking to say the least, how come they changed to uprising.

Okay finally got the game to download....

First off, heavies are okay they seem to take a metric tonne of firepower to kill vs other suits. Even the militia fits.

The heavy machine gun however...

I don't know wtf happened between here and fanfest but whoever replaced the HMG with a water hose needs to be sorry.
Overall the range of the gun works still it can engage across the road just like before in chromosome, its just the damage is so badly tuned down its incapable of killing only 2 people pre reload as to opposed to 4-6 people in the previous build. I am not sure about how many people you guys normally down on a reload but I am speaking as a basic HMGer from Chomosome.

To further my belief the game is absolutely broken ran into a sentinel full proto suit and gun 3 yards.
By all accounts I should have died. Not only did I survive but i out-survived him and two of his other buddies trying to kill me. Unfourtunately the HMG vs HMG match had to end with me swapping to SMG and downing his two friends and a grenade. He then came back around the corner with more guys and finished my squad off.

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Okay finally got the game to download....

First off, heavies are okay they seem to take a metric tonne of firepower to kill vs other suits. Even the militia fits.

The heavy machine gun however...

I don't know wtf happened between here and fanfest but whoever replaced the HMG with a water hose needs to be sorry.
Overall the range of the gun works still it can engage across the road just like before in chromosome, its just the damage is so badly tuned down its incapable of killing only 2 people pre reload as to opposed to 4-6 people in the previous build. I am not sure about how many people you guys normally down on a reload but I am speaking as a basic HMGer from Chomosome.

To further my belief the game is absolutely broken ran into a sentinel full proto suit and gun 3 yards.
By all accounts I should have died. Not only did I survive but i out-survived him and two of his other buddies trying to kill me. Unfourtunately the HMG vs HMG match had to end with me swapping to SMG and downing his two friends and a grenade. He then came back around the corner with more guys and finished my squad off.

and whoever is bishing about the Plasma Rifle range needs to STFU, they're capable of reaching 50% of some maps and that's decently far.

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Dude THANK YOU!!!!!!

I for one am extremely grateful for just simply being heard. On top of that you tested out what we were all saying and confirmed it for yourself. Awesome dude just awesome!!! It is good to know that all the efforts all of us Heavies put in were not in vain.

Alldin Kan says heavys are fine, maybe you guys need lessons

So he got a proto heavy already and checked us out on higher tiers? Great - now that Aldin said so - it must be true.

Alldin only complains when something is wrong, he only complains about input lag which every gun has. Maybe you should ask alldin for the special deal on lessons for corp members

Alldin only complains when something is wrong, he only complains about input lag which every gun has. Maybe you should ask alldin for the special deal on lessons for corp members

He only complains about what he KNOWS about. Since you didn't confirm his suit or gear I can assume he pub stomped and then pretended to understand the entire classes doom 'n' gloom.

Hell I went 10 and 2 with the HMG in possession. How many of those kills have been melee, grenades and smg? probably 60%

Suits are fine.

The Heavy Machine Gun... something's wrong with it. Either way I cannot make any promises guys what CCP does is their business that includes ignoring all of you guys as well as me, but know I have validated that there is an issue with the gun. Shot guns I am investigating to see if its just a bug though. Apparently shotgun shots disappear but I need more sampling.

I will say this though on behalf of all teh fucktarding you did with MY class!... did notice that dom mode while kneeling i can go past 35m while shooting but that makes me no better than a very weak statonary gun.

Played literally a couple matches, but got enough kills and deaths to figure out it's "role".

Basically 1-10m you're main enemy is the shotgun. The HMG is effective in this range, and with concentrated fire, you'll get the kill. I faced Militia Assault all the way up to Proto Suits. Up close the proto assault poses a clear threat, but in most cases a good player would either run away, or kill you.

Shotgun? Allot trickier. Because of the optimal range on the HMG, which the numbers might say is 15m, it feels more like 10m, by the time the shotgun gets in HIS range, it might be too late to take him out. Especially if he's shield tanking.

MD's? Clear winner against HMG's. You can't get close enough, fast enough is basically the problem. The range on the HMG doesn't allow for keeping people's heads down.

Past 10m going into 15m is where things get hazy. At this range it takes ALLOT of bullets to take down Adv suits, even suits that have taken damage. Not because of damage, well tbh a little, but the BULLET SPREAD. Nerfing the range, but not buffing the horrible bullet spread makes it a tripple nerf imo. Dmg, range, and not touching the bullet spread.

15m-20m range, it's more like farting against thunder at this point. If you wanna feel like you're doing something or if someone is really weak, yeah. Spray in the direction and hope you get and assist or better yet a kill.

Now being a heavy myself, i try to be as objective as possible. I'm aware we got a buff in HP, and tbh, it's needed with the amount of bullets required to kill. We go down just as easy with team fire as we did before.. Nothing changed there. I'm also aware we got our prices reduced, but one can argue every class got their prices reduced.

Does the price drop make a difference? My Adv set up is 60k+ ISK. Adv suit + Adv HMG. + complex extenders. If you die more than 3 times, which is VERY LIKELY, your profit margin is slim to none. You can try running cheaper fits, but that means your killing efficiency and your chances of staying alive longer drops. It's looking like a high risk, low reward atm.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

Personally, I would like to see a buff in either range, dmg, or bullet spread. The effect of these things put together makes the HMG feels like a toy gun.

People always bring up the argument that HMG are suppose to be used as a supportive role. Well, how can we support with no range? How can we help with low dmg, and how can we keep people's head down with a bullet spread as bad as it is now?

As always, opinions, and arguments for / against are welcomed. Keep the trolling to a minimum please.

SMG's > HMG's tbh

Ok maybe not really, but I had more fun using SMG's than I did using the HMG.

He only complains about what he KNOWS about. Since you didn't confirm his suit or gear I can assume he pub stomped and then pretended to understand the entire classes doom 'n' gloom.

1 guy's opinion over 70+ people..

HE MUST BE RIGHT CUZ HE'S THE BEST EVER EVER MADE IN NEW EDEN

Whatever man. Seems allot of people switching class, and seems to think the HMG is broke. 1 man's opinion means nothing when there's allot saying otherwise.

He's welcome to express it here on the forums. It'll be interesting to see what other heavies have to tell him...or ask him.

Alldin has spec every suit and vehicle and dominated, it just happens that you aren't that good with a heavy so sad. Lets just say his gear is black and his gun should say Alldin's Gastun HMG. Lol at how sensitive heavy players are

Alldin has spec every suit and vehicle and dominated, it just happens that you aren't that good with a heavy so sad. Lets just say his gear is black and his gun should say Alldin's Gastun HMG. Lol at how sensitive heavy players are

Could you be more of a fanboy? Jesus Christ. We get it. He does well. The issue is you shouldn't have to run a 180k ISK suit to be effective in the game. HMG and MH82 are useless. If you don't use the Boundless or better, you're going to die. They dropped the price, but made it so you had to use expensive fits to be worth anything.

Regardless, HMGs are broken and it has been tracked and confirmed by IW and Hans. A buff will be coming hopefully sometime soon.

I still can't believe how hard you're riding Alldin...

Alldin is my battle buddy, you sound a bit mad. Maybe you should play with friends who don't suck... Just a suggestion. All weapons are bad that aren't proto, tough luck. So 2 below average players suck with a weapon, but yet a god like alldin dominates with it but its the weapons fault? Sounds like a lack of personal skill

Let's see him do so in a corp battle. I'll even set one up with SyNergy hopefully.

Let's see him do so in a corp battle. I'll even set one up with SyNergy hopefully.

Alldin is my battle buddy, you sound a bit mad. Maybe you should play with friends who don't suck... Just a suggestion. All weapons are bad that aren't proto, tough luck. So 2 below average players suck with a weapon, but yet a god like alldin dominates with it but its the weapons fault? Sounds like a lack of personal skill

Alldin is my battle buddy, you sound a bit mad. Maybe you should play with friends who don't suck... Just a suggestion. All weapons are bad that aren't proto, tough luck. So 2 below average players suck with a weapon, but yet a god like alldin dominates with it but its the weapons fault? Sounds like a lack of personal skill

So you won't consider that even howdidthattaste one of your best heavies has stated there's a problem with the HMG?

I'm not mad, lol. And I don't play the game solely to be competitive. It's a game.

There is a reason he uses Proto gear. It's the only gear that is effective for HMG-using heavies. You can argue with me all you want, but that is a major issue. You shouldn't have to use high tiered gear in public matches to kill low-leveled assault players.

I think you should ask him for lessons, just and idea

Lol only major issue is the lack of skill of some players, everyone is pretty much in basic frame proto gear. Arguing would imply that you point out reasons but all I see is I'm bad. Lol

You heavies who ditched HMG will one day come to regret. CCP ****** us - but only for now.

Have .0000001% faith guys!

I like how 1 guy's opinion seem to outweigh the majority. Only in your world that might happen...whatever rock you live on.

Pretty sure 80 people's opinion > 1 guy saying the HMG is "fine"

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041&find=unread

^ you can check the list for yourself. Some pretty well known heavies and HMG users there. Also if you lolread you'll see how many people changed class. Only poor schmucks that invested all their SP into heavy HMG are stuck using it.

HMG is fine and working as intended.

Learn how to play your suits role and stop crying.

To help you overcome this burden I will continue in verse:

Accept me for who I am
I'll do the same for you
Don't try to change at all
Just to yourself be true

We all have faults and failings
It's what makes us all so real
No one can be perfect
With this we have to deal

I love you with your weaknesses
I've learned that I have mine
We all learn to deal with change
It just takes a little time

So be patient with yourself
And I'll be patient too
You've given me the greatest gift
The perfect gift of you

Alldin is the best heavy It seems, you just want the HMG to be easier. Fatties don't like earning their kills? Lol fatties are so sensitive

lolskill. I switched over to Assault and find it far easier than HMG.

I switched to HMG and patted my kd, so heavy is easier but that requires you to have an IQ over 10 sorry
Edit: assault takes an IQ of 15 to be effective

nah I think you hiding in your tank PADDED your KD (dafuq you patted your KD? it's a pet?). Assault players have the best KD's on the ground... I wonder why that is???? SKILL!!! lol

And they still having the best KD's. I guess tanks are fine too right? I mean, if one says it's fine, then yeah. That's all that matters.

You really wanna bring in IQ into this? Really? hahahaha

Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this?

Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this?

Assault don't die cause they can run, fact! Fatties can't run proof your IQ is below 10

All I see is crying and a circle jerk with fat kids, till you bring something that other players(non scrubs of course) that aren't heavies agree on. This is a pillow for you heavies to cry on and I'm poking you

Uhm - We heavies in the Imps already have? Why do you need to go Zitro to something we've loaded in several threads already.

Well - the heavies amoung us who stayed heavies anyways - most switched to logi.

lmao, your heavies are WEAK

and zitro only trolls....badly


why would anyone go to him for info of anysort

All I see is crying and a circle jerk with fat kids, till you bring something that other players(non scrubs of course) that aren't heavies agree on. This is a pillow for you heavies to cry on and I'm poking you

You JUST said you pet your KD...YOU STILL talking about IQ?

Ok bro.

What can I expect from someone who thinks 1 guy's opinion > 80 people opinions.

Curious what IQ dictates this logic of yours. Can't be as high as you might think

My problem is Nades and less Damage on the HMG for me and I guess 6,7 SP in to the heavy is a problem too

lmao, your heavies are WEAK

and zitro only trolls....badly


why would anyone go to him for info of anysort

Alldin is the best heavy It seems, you just want the HMG to be easier. Fatties don't like earning their kills? Lol fatties are so sensitive

So Hollow, in other words he can't. He's too busy talking through his arse to actually give solid feedback cuz all he has is hearsay, on what his buddy said

Alldin has 11mil in SP right or more

Sorry that my buddy is better than you, you should ask for lessons

I've seen Alldin - the guy is insane. Does he use a mouse? Maybe I should consider it.

I've seen Alldin - the guy is insane. Does he use a mouse? Maybe I should consider it.

Troll so bad but get the most responses

lol, because you **** people off.

Nades feel odd to throw this build but Ill chock it to a matter of learning.

Nades feel odd to throw this build but Ill chock it to a matter of learning.

Nades feel odd to throw this build but Ill chock it to a matter of learning.

Troll so bad but get the most responses

Why do you think i take care of my KD so well?
IQ is my age 16, but I failed school so you take away how many years I was in school and passed. That makes it 8. But Zitro that makes your IQ below the 10 need to be good at heavy. Correct but you forgot I have golden hands Cool that makes it x2 so it's back to 16

Nope a little buggy, but it's bearable

lol... your "trolls" are your excuse for sounding like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. "Oh ****, that guy made me look like an idiot!...how should I reply to this?..."

"TROLOLOLOL!!! i was only trolling! ha! idiot scrubs with low IQ's"



You might wanna start "patting" your IQ though...

lol, everyone after zitro.


9 months and NOTHING has changed

He's not going to give me 3mil in SP is he

lol, everyone after zitro.


9 months and NOTHING has changed

Well you got to like Zitro

No he doesn't play nice with others

Pretty sure 80 people's opinion > 1 guy saying the HMG is "fine"

no i don't, he's too predictable.

When the 80 are the ones who claims the earth is the center of the universe and the ONE is Copernicus, ill go with the one.

Thats what happens when CCP gets their gameplay balance fixes from bad players; playing a role and being good at it are 2 different things.

Little lady, I have played this game long and better than you. Lectures me when you get good but I don't seen that happening so stay in your fridge eating all the ice cream fatty

no i don't, he's too predictable.

I did predict Zion was going to be nothing more than a NPC corp so correct!

oh! You know he getting mad when he start calling people names and saying stuff like "better than you"

Must be hard work sitting in your tank or using an AR! Man, that must take some SERIOUS skill. Please sell me your book. I wanna know the secrets of farming kills on Ambush oh great one.

meh 2/10


try hard

have yet to see any pulse nades

also, AV ones seem to have lossed their ability to track vehicles

meh 2/10


try hard

He's got you there Lance xD

"What can I expect from someone who thinks 1 guy's opinion > 80 people opinions."

It's about the quality not the quantity.

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Ok, I'll try to keep this short simply because I'm beginning to feel tired and I'm not writing a college essay.

*The basic HMG as it is now is enough to take down most dropsuits quickly with the exception of Caldari Assault/Logi where its shieds become bothersome.

*Assault Variant needs a slight damage buff to make the user consider replacing the AR for it.

*Burst Variant is still deadly when used at close range with good aiming.

*Heavy Sentinel is only worth using if the person truly wants a 4th low slot as there aren't any "decent" passive bonuses like the other dropsuits.

*Sensitivity is recommended to be increased for CQC, but might get confusing if the player uses other dropsuit types.


The real problem me and many others are having is the Input Delay for aiming, on HMGs and and other high RoF weapons this is downright annoying. Whenever I shoot someone that is always mobile, I'm unable to properly place the crossharis on the dropsuit and shoot. I'd say I've missed about 77% of my shots against those that know how to play whereas on previous build I would normally miss 22% of shots fired.

I think I might have missed something (again tired), if I did then I'll make the edits or make another post.

My battle buddy!

"What can I expect from someone who thinks 1 guy's opinion > 80 people opinions."

It's about the quality not the quantity.

Basically saying your opinion is the only one that SHOULD matter...is what you're telling us.

I read your reply, and saying the only problem is aiming, is lulzy. I'm having better games with Assault suit and AR than I did the first day of playing Heavy. Had decent games, killed people. Doesn't make the gun good, or doesn't mean the gun is "fine".

Good for you that you're sticking to heavy. Good luck.

So If it had tighter spread it may fix it

Basically saying your opinion is the only one that SHOULD matter...is what you're telling us.

I read your reply, and saying the only problem is aiming, is lulzy. I'm having better games with Assault suit and AR than I did the first day of playing Heavy. Had decent games, killed people. Doesn't make the gun good, or doesn't mean the gun is "fine".

Good for you that you're sticking to heavy. Good luck.

LOLOLOLOL

Lance you need chill out brah. Everyone on my Skype channel is laughing at you now. I thought things would have settled down, but guess what, you're still crying.

Like Zitro said "Takes some notes from Alldin", you could learn something other than crying

Lance you might need to call for some back up! Perferablly ARs because they are better

Well that's one thing I'm not gonna argue about AR's lol

started out with great info, then zitro commented and it all went to hell

I don't hate the Heavies. Or the HMG.

Well, actually, I hate everyone on the planet equally so technically I guess that means I hate no-one (we're all snowflakes!)

Good to see some intelligent debate and solid points in this thread, so thanks for that! Just wanted to jump in an explain the thinking behind some of the recent changes.

- The SS skill had to go. It should never have been there in the first place as it pushed all weapons well beyond their intended ranges and with more racial variants coming into the game (rail rifle, combat rifle etc.) it was more important than ever to have cleaner range profiles for all weaponry.
- The Sentinel was designed primarily as a point defense role. His speed and slow turn rate make him unsuitable for frontline combat. His presence should make anyone think twice before approaching a position. I'm not sure but it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about the ineffectiveness of the HMG stem from the fact that people want to use it to lead the charge into enemy territory. The HMG is not well suited for use in open areas but it comes into its own when used in outposts where targets are confined to narrow spaces. And at close range, the HMG is still very effective, I believe.

The HMG's optimal range is up to 30m and max. effective range caps out at 50m. (This is currently a hard cap - all weapons stop doing any damage beyond their max range - but we're going to be fixing this soon. Like soon soon, not SOON(tm).) What it needs is not a damage buff (it kills just fine) but a gentler damage falloff curve so that it can be used as an effective suppression weapon in the 50-70m range. As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG so that's something I'd like to address as soon as possible.

Other smaller tweaks like lessening kick (which gets pretty excessive as the weapon nears its heat threshold) and a modest improvement in how quickly the weapon reaches optimal dispersion should make it feel much better.

Anyway, thanks for the ten-page thread, guys. I look forward to the next ten pages!

As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG

I don't hate the Heavies. Or the HMG.

Well, actually, I hate everyone on the planet equally so technically I guess that means I hate no-one (we're all snowflakes!)

Good to see some intelligent debate and solid points in this thread, so thanks for that! Just wanted to jump in an explain the thinking behind some of the recent changes.

- The SS skill had to go. It should never have been there in the first place as it pushed all weapons well beyond their intended ranges and with more racial variants coming into the game (rail rifle, combat rifle etc.) it was more important than ever to have cleaner range profiles for all weaponry.
- The Sentinel was designed primarily as a point defense role. His speed and slow turn rate make him unsuitable for frontline combat. His presence should make anyone think twice before approaching a position. I'm not sure but it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about the ineffectiveness of the HMG stem from the fact that people want to use it to lead the charge into enemy territory. The HMG is not well suited for use in open areas but it comes into its own when used in outposts where targets are confined to narrow spaces. And at close range, the HMG is still very effective, I believe.

The HMG's optimal range is up to 30m and max. effective range caps out at 50m. (This is currently a hard cap - all weapons stop doing any damage beyond their max range - but we're going to be fixing this soon. Like soon soon, not SOON(tm).) What it needs is not a damage buff (it kills just fine) but a gentler damage falloff curve so that it can be used as an effective suppression weapon in the 50-70m range. As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG so that's something I'd like to address as soon as possible.

Other smaller tweaks like lessening kick (which gets pretty excessive as the weapon nears its heat threshold) and a modest improvement in how quickly the weapon reaches optimal dispersion should make it feel much better.

Anyway, thanks for the ten-page thread, guys. I look forward to the next ten pages!

I don't hate the Heavies. Or the HMG.

Well, actually, I hate everyone on the planet equally so technically I guess that means I hate no-one (we're all snowflakes!)

Good to see some intelligent debate and solid points in this thread, so thanks for that! Just wanted to jump in an explain the thinking behind some of the recent changes.

- The SS skill had to go. It should never have been there in the first place as it pushed all weapons well beyond their intended ranges and with more racial variants coming into the game (rail rifle, combat rifle etc.) it was more important than ever to have cleaner range profiles for all weaponry.
- The Sentinel was designed primarily as a point defense role. His speed and slow turn rate make him unsuitable for frontline combat. His presence should make anyone think twice before approaching a position. I'm not sure but it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about the ineffectiveness of the HMG stem from the fact that people want to use it to lead the charge into enemy territory. The HMG is not well suited for use in open areas but it comes into its own when used in outposts where targets are confined to narrow spaces. And at close range, the HMG is still very effective, I believe.

The HMG's optimal range is up to 30m and max. effective range caps out at 50m. (This is currently a hard cap - all weapons stop doing any damage beyond their max range - but we're going to be fixing this soon. Like soon soon, not SOON(tm).) What it needs is not a damage buff (it kills just fine) but a gentler damage falloff curve so that it can be used as an effective suppression weapon in the 50-70m range. As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG so that's something I'd like to address as soon as possible.

Other smaller tweaks like lessening kick (which gets pretty excessive as the weapon nears its heat threshold) and a modest improvement in how quickly the weapon reaches optimal dispersion should make it feel much better.

Anyway, thanks for the ten-page thread, guys. I look forward to the next ten pages!

I don't usually play heavy but I put an alt's 1.5m SP into it, focusing on heavy frame, advanced HMG, maxed armor passives.

Other than the SP sink issue which is covered in more detail elsewhere, the main issue is that nobody is intimidated by the HMG anymore. A major part of the HMG user's survivability, in my opinion, was that the HMG scared the kitten out of people. Firing an HMG into a crowd would break up the crowd, making it possible to pick off the individuals. Firing an HMG down a hallway emptied the hallway.

I tear into a crowd of guys with the HMG now (and I don't rambo in, I'm typically a support player and an experienced nova knifer, so I understand the cautious approach) and they respond by murdering me. Hell, I fire at once guy and he'll still have a shot at taking me on with his AR by sprinting out of range (he has time to do this because my gun is awful) and firing at me. Is he backing up faster than I can approach? It seems that I can be quite effectively kited like this.

I've been on both ends of an HMG since Uprising started and there are horrifyingly few situations where the HMG user comes out on top.

That's odd.

Is that 20m as seen from the target intel info on-screen? I double-checked the curves like five minutes ago and they're definitely 30m for optimal range.

I'll investigate further.

You cant do that. Your effectivly restricting an entire playstyle. As a heavy i dont want to be stuck defending the whole time, i put forward that charging the breach is just as much our job. We cant even try to do that. we havent got the range to put down damage, we have to much spread to concentraight fire, we dont have the damage to hurt a target. putting those three together hurt just too much.

We do do damage at close range its true... if our target stands still, you hit our tracking and movement speed too. We cant track anything at close range.
You made us a close range fighter and then made it impossible to target anything close