That without counting the lose of 1 high slot in the sentinel class we could use to put a complex damage mod, thats another 10%

"CQC" is a funny thing...

The only CQC i've seen thus far typically goes as follows:

-Close distance
-Bunny hop circles around heavy
-Win, Next

So in total it was a 20% dmg nerf.

Jesus - I walk away from this thread and come back and it's on page 26.

And what's worse - so little mention of competitive level heavies. You vet heavies makin' me sad.

Has CCP mentioned at all about the data they farmed from Corp Battles? I'd really like to know what the statistics for the Boundless KDR were.

Jesus - I walk away from this thread and come back and it's on page 26.

And what's worse - so little mention of competitive level heavies. You vet heavies makin' me sad.

Has CCP mentioned at all about the data they farmed from Corp Battles? I'd really like to know what the statistics for the Boundless KDR were.

everyone is upset about the extra 10% damage nerf to the HMG....

and yeah, lose internet connection for 3 hours, and have to play catch up

I'm not upset about the damage nerf to HMG, what gets me though is why they had to nerf the range even further after SS was taken away. That was uncalled for.

Also the new glare effects on FG and HMG need to go.

i'm an ar guy from day 1 and from my point of view heavies have become some what weaker. last build i had to pick and choose when to engage a heavy in a confined space 1. make sure there are boxes around to take cover behind for when they spooled up. 2. a take picked head shot to at leashed back them up a little til i could lay a long burst. 3. then back to cover repeat. I skilled up my AR's just to take them out and it was fun now after uprising it's way to easy now my average distance is 40 to 50 meter and half a clip of a gek 38, not counting using an exile with a basic dam mod. there's nothing fun about going up against a heavies now. please ccp give them back the range and close the spread at max distances they need it to make it fun again tearing them down. from the milita suit wearing guy who like eating heavies like bannanas

i liked being a lumbering heavy, list i could hit **** back then

I totally accept the *normal* drawbacks of an HMG:

-Difficult Maneuverability (normally due to weapon weight, in DUST weapon and suit weight)

-Difficult Handling (Kick)

Range and power are simply not HMG drawbacks.

As much as I dislike agreeing with SoTa, he has a point in bringing up heavies in the context of the upcoming Planetary Conquest.

Let's make one thing clear: the big name corps will attack/defend planets with the best gear they have, which is likely to consist of proto-everything.

Now, looking at the state of HMGs, there is really no point in bringing one to attack/defend anything. You've effectively, with Uprising, made the only place that the HMG (even at the prototype level) is viable public matches. They don't area deny so much as area-annoy.

bump

Do you really think a thread with 27 pages needs a bump? Haha. This is the heavy hangout, bruh. It did work though...

try heavy AR. its pretty beasty, use the toxin on pesty scouts. i dont even bother aiming. fire a full clip reload. repeat til ur outta ammo. uprising blows

Didn't realize we were ever at Odds Polish. :(


There's two types of game modes out basically: Zerg and Camp. In zerg - we have to stick as close as possible to the other zerglings. We need to read the map for player positions and have a knowledge of our terrain, all the while trying to find the best route so our speed isn't factored in so hard. This is cumbersome with reduced speed and range as it's already a trouble trying to keep up - so now only do I not keep up - my weapon can't reach. What's the solution? Flanking. But being a heavy who flanks on his own with this terrible HMG has lead to me getting laughed at as I pull back and wait for back up 75% of the time. It made me realize the gun was broken in Chromosome and in need of nerf - so I've gotten used to finding a way to get others to come with me, usually over comms. But this is usually like rolling dice - so a heavy being in solo so far - not viable.

What else can you do in a zergling match but try to steal kills? Murder Taxi. But using murder taxi requires luck since there's no way most of us have the SP to get a decent LAV and still call ourselves competitors. Even if you did the Hack AV nades shred 'em in two throws that happen within 4-5 seconds. So Murder Taxi - at least from my experience thus far - is not viable as most matches have squads of 6 and makes asking 1 person to carry AV nades very easy. So again - solo heavy - not viable. (No squads has been very rare)

So - we can't flank - we can't murder taxi - do we switch weapons? It would mean no proto - but I saw more success with Exile then Boundless. But **** that. The only true solution is camp areas where fighting is always the heaviest and don't be aggressive unless following zergs.

So I turned to Camp mode. We find far more success here. If you take a second after 3 minutes of the match has passed you can determine where the fighting will be focused by enemy behaviors thus far and just simply camp the objective they seem to desire so badly. Using LAV's for simple A to B Taxi's rather then murder vehicles will higher your KDR from earlier mentioned squads AV. (If your match has no squad tho - as happens once in a while in camp mode - murder taxi is hella fun).

Nodes themselves are our friends now. They even have peek holes we can shoot out of (not a new feature) to harass people and it being a circle we can run around assures us a spot to run from explosions and firearms. Luckily for us too - most objectives have boxes or some sort of cover for us to use and force players to come in closer. Baiting will be the only way you'll get kills here. Most people seem to understand heavies blow - and keep a good distance. Some flat out run without firing a shot then turn around and force me to run at them if they even see me.

TL;DR it's impossible to run solo now as a heavy with mild success in skrims - but I do not have a problem going solo as AR with an assault suit on an alt with 3.5 mil SP.

I wish I could test the HMG on a competitive level - I only know from the stats it'll fail. Without actual matches with coordinated teams I'll never really see where the drawback are showing now. Before it was that everyone elses speed meant they could escape and us chasing them meant trouble. Now I'm pretty sure they can charge us and LOLOLOL all over us.

We can be replaced in almost every circumstance by a scout now as well or any class. Remote Explosives (Once fixed from bug I hear) with SMG/SG do the HMG's role better for less SP.

The only benefit heavies bring is we force concentrated fire fights if we're any good and give our team mates a chance to bring in the pain. Which is awesome - but not what I expect from a class that's called Jugernaught.

Corp matches as heavy would be us spotting for the other team then holding people down - which also involves us trying our hardest not to get shot up by the ones we're trying to hold. Which also means we won't be holding them long SO GET OVER HERE QUICK GUNNER OR BLAZ OMFG SCRUBS. :3

Didn't realize we were ever at Odds Polish. :(

On some things yes.

I can't stay mad at you