I had mine at SS Prof 3. It was beautiful.

Sweet i was working on it but alas *sighs*

If you're still running heavy after a day, I feel for ya..

Yea I was on 4. I worked on that before working on HMG Prof. Range was more important to my playstayle than damage.

:( CCP nerfed both lol

I actually put all of my close to 10 mil into the heavy class, even though knowing what had been discussed before this build... and what can I say, after playing several hours, I can't change my class now, Im stuck with the heavy, so I guess I will just... wait for better days? =P

OK, Heavies are fine to the average VET
I have not had too much additional troubles pwn'in faces as before uprising.
EXCEPT the stupid slow turning speed. Now when scouts get in my face I **** my pants as I try to keep up with them (maxed sensitivty). This was originally boner city as ne one within 10meters would die in less then 2 seconds.
Heavies can no longer show off their dancing skills with strafing, BOOO!
Aside from that, heavies are still quite formidable. Ya we got a nerf but so did everything else practically.

I will say that forges guns are coming out more often than they used to.
75% of the time I would rock HMG and melt faces, now role has almost switched with the forge gun.
HMG can still poop in peoples mouths (within its new range) you just need to be more accurate.
See what happens when you hit someone on the dot of your reticle with a Burst machine gun (I was getting 1 shot burst last night, on ADV suits!). HMG can no longer be utilized as spray and pray, the DMG just isn't there.

NOW for newberts starting out in the game, they will ultimately get pwnd. Its almost not worth speccing heavy unless you have good amount of SP already. (~6mil sp). As a 1012eHP PROTObear, I am already having some trouble keeping up with top end assualt/logi players in advanced suits. There is no incentive for newbies to play heavy currently, without a CCP hotfix that will never come, the heavy population will plummet.

This game is a hard game to commit to with all its current trouble and bugs, but ultimately needs a bigger player base so that CCP wont be so desperate to empty our wallets and might be able to budget a bigger/better team for development.
NOOBS are super frustrating, but are necessary for our beloved game to thrive.

Nonetheless we are ultimately gambling that this game with be amazing 6months-1yr down the road.
So really, ENOUGH QQ MORE PEW PEW.
If you can no longer stand this game after a couple weeks into this Uprising build then find another game, the constant bitching and whining does not make our game better.

SIDENOTE: Ever since Uprising came out, my PS3 no longer suffer constant hard freezes (w/ PS3s IP set in DMZ in router).
I used to freezing everything ******* game and hadn't hit cap in the past two weeks. Lots of homos like me have this trouble stil, try this DMZ option if you have done the PS3's restore database and file system, unistall/restal dust clientl, game data deletion.....etc.

The HMG from Fanfest had other Stats completely different from uprising? thats shocking to say the least, how come they changed to uprising.

Hey IWS, in uprising we can barely take 2 people down before reload where is chromosome we could take between 4-6 people or more if we were in the right position like in a hallway.

The HMG from Fanfest had other Stats completely different from uprising? thats shocking to say the least, how come they changed to uprising.

Okay finally got the game to download....

First off, heavies are okay they seem to take a metric tonne of firepower to kill vs other suits. Even the militia fits.

The heavy machine gun however...

I don't know wtf happened between here and fanfest but whoever replaced the HMG with a water hose needs to be sorry.
Overall the range of the gun works still it can engage across the road just like before in chromosome, its just the damage is so badly tuned down its incapable of killing only 2 people pre reload as to opposed to 4-6 people in the previous build. I am not sure about how many people you guys normally down on a reload but I am speaking as a basic HMGer from Chomosome.

To further my belief the game is absolutely broken ran into a sentinel full proto suit and gun 3 yards.
By all accounts I should have died. Not only did I survive but i out-survived him and two of his other buddies trying to kill me. Unfourtunately the HMG vs HMG match had to end with me swapping to SMG and downing his two friends and a grenade. He then came back around the corner with more guys and finished my squad off.

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Okay finally got the game to download....

First off, heavies are okay they seem to take a metric tonne of firepower to kill vs other suits. Even the militia fits.

The heavy machine gun however...

I don't know wtf happened between here and fanfest but whoever replaced the HMG with a water hose needs to be sorry.
Overall the range of the gun works still it can engage across the road just like before in chromosome, its just the damage is so badly tuned down its incapable of killing only 2 people pre reload as to opposed to 4-6 people in the previous build. I am not sure about how many people you guys normally down on a reload but I am speaking as a basic HMGer from Chomosome.

To further my belief the game is absolutely broken ran into a sentinel full proto suit and gun 3 yards.
By all accounts I should have died. Not only did I survive but i out-survived him and two of his other buddies trying to kill me. Unfourtunately the HMG vs HMG match had to end with me swapping to SMG and downing his two friends and a grenade. He then came back around the corner with more guys and finished my squad off.

and whoever is bishing about the Plasma Rifle range needs to STFU, they're capable of reaching 50% of some maps and that's decently far.

Recommendations:
Increase Damage to fan fest build levels.
Bring back Fan Fest blap effect
Increase Speed to Accuracy Cap
Add sharpshooter skill (lower dispersion)

Dude THANK YOU!!!!!!

I for one am extremely grateful for just simply being heard. On top of that you tested out what we were all saying and confirmed it for yourself. Awesome dude just awesome!!! It is good to know that all the efforts all of us Heavies put in were not in vain.

Alldin Kan says heavys are fine, maybe you guys need lessons

So he got a proto heavy already and checked us out on higher tiers? Great - now that Aldin said so - it must be true.

Alldin only complains when something is wrong, he only complains about input lag which every gun has. Maybe you should ask alldin for the special deal on lessons for corp members

Alldin only complains when something is wrong, he only complains about input lag which every gun has. Maybe you should ask alldin for the special deal on lessons for corp members

He only complains about what he KNOWS about. Since you didn't confirm his suit or gear I can assume he pub stomped and then pretended to understand the entire classes doom 'n' gloom.

Hell I went 10 and 2 with the HMG in possession. How many of those kills have been melee, grenades and smg? probably 60%

Suits are fine.

The Heavy Machine Gun... something's wrong with it. Either way I cannot make any promises guys what CCP does is their business that includes ignoring all of you guys as well as me, but know I have validated that there is an issue with the gun. Shot guns I am investigating to see if its just a bug though. Apparently shotgun shots disappear but I need more sampling.

I will say this though on behalf of all teh fucktarding you did with MY class!... did notice that dom mode while kneeling i can go past 35m while shooting but that makes me no better than a very weak statonary gun.

Played literally a couple matches, but got enough kills and deaths to figure out it's "role".

Basically 1-10m you're main enemy is the shotgun. The HMG is effective in this range, and with concentrated fire, you'll get the kill. I faced Militia Assault all the way up to Proto Suits. Up close the proto assault poses a clear threat, but in most cases a good player would either run away, or kill you.

Shotgun? Allot trickier. Because of the optimal range on the HMG, which the numbers might say is 15m, it feels more like 10m, by the time the shotgun gets in HIS range, it might be too late to take him out. Especially if he's shield tanking.

MD's? Clear winner against HMG's. You can't get close enough, fast enough is basically the problem. The range on the HMG doesn't allow for keeping people's heads down.

Past 10m going into 15m is where things get hazy. At this range it takes ALLOT of bullets to take down Adv suits, even suits that have taken damage. Not because of damage, well tbh a little, but the BULLET SPREAD. Nerfing the range, but not buffing the horrible bullet spread makes it a tripple nerf imo. Dmg, range, and not touching the bullet spread.

15m-20m range, it's more like farting against thunder at this point. If you wanna feel like you're doing something or if someone is really weak, yeah. Spray in the direction and hope you get and assist or better yet a kill.

Now being a heavy myself, i try to be as objective as possible. I'm aware we got a buff in HP, and tbh, it's needed with the amount of bullets required to kill. We go down just as easy with team fire as we did before.. Nothing changed there. I'm also aware we got our prices reduced, but one can argue every class got their prices reduced.

Does the price drop make a difference? My Adv set up is 60k+ ISK. Adv suit + Adv HMG. + complex extenders. If you die more than 3 times, which is VERY LIKELY, your profit margin is slim to none. You can try running cheaper fits, but that means your killing efficiency and your chances of staying alive longer drops. It's looking like a high risk, low reward atm.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

Personally, I would like to see a buff in either range, dmg, or bullet spread. The effect of these things put together makes the HMG feels like a toy gun.

People always bring up the argument that HMG are suppose to be used as a supportive role. Well, how can we support with no range? How can we help with low dmg, and how can we keep people's head down with a bullet spread as bad as it is now?

As always, opinions, and arguments for / against are welcomed. Keep the trolling to a minimum please.

SMG's > HMG's tbh

Ok maybe not really, but I had more fun using SMG's than I did using the HMG.

He only complains about what he KNOWS about. Since you didn't confirm his suit or gear I can assume he pub stomped and then pretended to understand the entire classes doom 'n' gloom.