Played literally a couple matches, but got enough kills and deaths to figure out it's "role".

Basically 1-10m you're main enemy is the shotgun. The HMG is effective in this range, and with concentrated fire, you'll get the kill. I faced Militia Assault all the way up to Proto Suits. Up close the proto assault poses a clear threat, but in most cases a good player would either run away, or kill you.

Shotgun? Allot trickier. Because of the optimal range on the HMG, which the numbers might say is 15m, it feels more like 10m, by the time the shotgun gets in HIS range, it might be too late to take him out. Especially if he's shield tanking.

MD's? Clear winner against HMG's. You can't get close enough, fast enough is basically the problem. The range on the HMG doesn't allow for keeping people's heads down.

Past 10m going into 15m is where things get hazy. At this range it takes ALLOT of bullets to take down Adv suits, even suits that have taken damage. Not because of damage, well tbh a little, but the BULLET SPREAD. Nerfing the range, but not buffing the horrible bullet spread makes it a tripple nerf imo. Dmg, range, and not touching the bullet spread.

15m-20m range, it's more like farting against thunder at this point. If you wanna feel like you're doing something or if someone is really weak, yeah. Spray in the direction and hope you get and assist or better yet a kill.

Now being a heavy myself, i try to be as objective as possible. I'm aware we got a buff in HP, and tbh, it's needed with the amount of bullets required to kill. We go down just as easy with team fire as we did before.. Nothing changed there. I'm also aware we got our prices reduced, but one can argue every class got their prices reduced.

Does the price drop make a difference? My Adv set up is 60k+ ISK. Adv suit + Adv HMG. + complex extenders. If you die more than 3 times, which is VERY LIKELY, your profit margin is slim to none. You can try running cheaper fits, but that means your killing efficiency and your chances of staying alive longer drops. It's looking like a high risk, low reward atm.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

Personally, I would like to see a buff in either range, dmg, or bullet spread. The effect of these things put together makes the HMG feels like a toy gun.

People always bring up the argument that HMG are suppose to be used as a supportive role. Well, how can we support with no range? How can we help with low dmg, and how can we keep people's head down with a bullet spread as bad as it is now?

As always, opinions, and arguments for / against are welcomed. Keep the trolling to a minimum please.

still cant turn for ****.......

look, the damage and range from b4 uprising was perfect for our supposed 'role' on the battlefield. a walking tank with a mini-gun, who is slow moving, able to hold objectives/tactical points, and DECENT at CQC

honestly, even if they bring one back (range or dmg) we still wont b as strong as we could, or SHOULD, be

How to fix heavies:
Little more range on HMG, 5+ even would up my KDR which has been steadily rising as of late past 4 (Pathetic I know)
Increase turn speed for "Doom" mode for HMG.
Increase turn speed for normal aiming for HMG.
Racial place holders - even just the basic frame. Amaar - I love you - but you blow.

Anything more and we'll be called OP again.

I'm not exactly sure how some of you heavies are dropping so quickly. The only way it's possible is if majority of shots land on you - which means you weren't using cover, your map, or your team.

Our survive ability would go up if we didn't need to get in close to kill. It's pretty ******** that we move so slow with this much HP trying to get into optimal. It's a very boring process and often a waiting game for the good heavies who know better then to rush.

I just... want some range... :(

Im against increasing the turn speed too much. If someone gets right up close to a heavy then they should have the advantage.
This also helps promote team work

Its another problem that negatively effects the heavy, true "logi's" are having a very hard time at the moment. Needles are very hit and miss, and rep tools stop giving rewards pretty quickly. Fix those and we may see more logi's and they might be willing to follow us around more

On a side note, try squading up with other heavies... its hilarious hitting up 5 other heavies and rolling together

??? A shotgun, or Nova knive is CQC. A HMG is short to Med range... and it is VERY good at those ranges. Its a factor of balancing it against everything else.



A pure 6 man Proto Heavy squad is a beautiful thing. Mix in some FG's and your golden

under normal circumstances i admit the heavy is 'manageable' right now, in pub matches.
if you are talking about PC battles (Currently) Proto or not, with the lag experiences in PC battles, this is just a swelled up Red Dot ready for the popping!

i got my ass handed to me yesterday, sentinel suit n all, in a couple PC battles. i was a noob to PC admittedly, but i think my main problem was the lag issue. had i not had to deal with that, in addition to the existing turning mechanics, i think my stats would have been better. however considering the above, they were downright awful!

so, unless you have a decent connection to the server id say stay away from PC if u r a Heavy. (unless you figure a way to decrease gravity in Eve/ or you are a bunny hop king)

I agree, we need a TINY (and I mean tiniest) increase in turn speed.
Obviously we need the other racial variants.
I think HMG will be fine once CCP changes the weapon range system from a HARD cap to a soft/tiered cap like BF3. They'll be able to keep HMG maximally effective in close/mid range, and minimally effective in the longer ranges.
(although we'll be able to actually do 1 or 2 dmg per round to finish off that guy that tends to get away now with a sliver of health)

agreed hard cap gone slight turn speed buff ... golden

i see what you mean. but i only have advanced lvl heavy suits. i have lvl 5 HMG proficiency, and lvl5 damage mods. i have points into shields and armor as well. i worked on my core. but the heavy weapons altogether eat up alot of SP, for very poor retunrs. with my std AR i can do much more. and since i can carry equipment im more useful to my team placing drop uplinks everywhere.

idk, maybe CCP should just get rid of heavies, i mean my std AR has better dps than an HMG, and i pwn pretty much any heavy i face 1v1. and i have no points in light weaponry at all...lol


P.S. for the others that said i provided no evidence. i have been spewing out facts left and right with statistics and first hand accounts that are easily verifible. just because you want to ignore the facts doesnt mean they arent there. if your only evidence is sarcasm then you can have, you win. because i sonly speak with people who are willing to accept fact. @ breakin stuff

anyways, im done with this thread. sorry if i ruined it for everyone. peace out

heavies have nothing to do in the game, right now except get raped or gang raped by everyone else

^^this is what im talking about.

well, although CCP doesn't always respond. they read most of the threads. so, i'm hoping they make a good judgement call. removing the hard range cap will fix alot of things.

a speed buff, and turning speed buff, will fix it more.

if they do impliment the armor plats that self heal that will do heavies some good. (i use armor repers as a heavy and can survive pretty well without a logi.)

im just saying anyone who puts 5million SP into a suit, weapon, gear and mods should have no problem keeping up with ppl in militia gear, im just saying. people with free dragon fly scout suits and free toxin SMGs just completely own my heavy. but when i run AR i win periond....lol

and is 30% resistance to small arms really alot? will that really make a heavy OP? they nerfed the TACs and they still own heavies at all ranges, especially close range. the TAcs are not as effective against faster armor but heavy suits are still easy targets.

Honestly. use logic and explain to me why this is always the case. i am a reasonable man. but i need facts.

(please dnt talk about using cover with a heavy. your not fast enough to peek out cover, and fire. your not accurate enoguh with an HMG to shoot over cover, and everyone else who weakens you can simply vault/jump over your cover and finish you off. cover + heavy doesnt work very well. in very specific situations i can use cover to great effect but for the most part, you have to have some decent movement speed to utilize cover.)

^^bro, if you read anything, anything at, you will see that i have answered you question and my statement remains unchallenged.

sounds like pubs...

jump in a competitive game where people spam contact nades... won't take many people to take down a heavy...

just 1-2...easily.

Judging a class based on pub experiences, lol...never gets old.

I agree. The M 134 minigun uses 7.62 mm rounds. This the standard ammunition for Most assault rifles is in the 5mm caliber ! So this M 134 Minigun does more damage per bullet an AR, with 6x higher RoF.

Dust 514: Minigun (HMG) does LESS damage per bullet with about 4x RoF compared to ARs

Yep, agains't everything and including EVERY factor, like reload time, dropsuit speed, hitbox, detectability and so on.

It isn't the case right now.

HMG is about equal to the AR when in 1 vs 1 at the HMG optimal range. But when you consider the other factor, like range, accuracy, suit speed, strafing speed, equipment, hitbox and so on, not sure where the heavy has to upper hand except for the eHP factor. So basically, agains't people going head first without evading bullets, heavys are good, for people using tactics, not that much.

I remember a few ambush where I kept fighting against Aldin Kan. First few games, he was a heavy with a boundless, he was doing ok, but I could still kill him in 50% of fight, (HMG vs HMG). Then he switched to the AR, doing crazy scores and out damaging me with is AR hipfiring+dmg mods+strafing like mad, I didn't killed him once then, even if I encountered if more than 10 times in various games. played about 8 ambush in a row, always against him.

It's really hard to balance things out when you got 90% of the player playing AR, and 50% of them aren't good at all for various reason, like coming right out of the academy, while 5% play heavies and 4% are not too bad. If they compare the KDR, heavy will be good, AR bad.

You're a pub heavy - come back when you're on me or Lance's level.