Alldin is the best heavy It seems, you just want the HMG to be easier. Fatties don't like earning their kills? Lol fatties are so sensitive

Sorry that my buddy is better than you, you should ask for lessons

I've seen Alldin - the guy is insane. Does he use a mouse? Maybe I should consider it.

Nades feel odd to throw this build but Ill chock it to a matter of learning.

Nope a little buggy, but it's bearable

lol, everyone after zitro.


9 months and NOTHING has changed

No he doesn't play nice with others

no i don't, he's too predictable.

have yet to see any pulse nades

also, AV ones seem to have lossed their ability to track vehicles

My battle buddy!

Basically saying your opinion is the only one that SHOULD matter...is what you're telling us.

I read your reply, and saying the only problem is aiming, is lulzy. I'm having better games with Assault suit and AR than I did the first day of playing Heavy. Had decent games, killed people. Doesn't make the gun good, or doesn't mean the gun is "fine".

Good for you that you're sticking to heavy. Good luck.

I don't hate the Heavies. Or the HMG.

Well, actually, I hate everyone on the planet equally so technically I guess that means I hate no-one (we're all snowflakes!)

Good to see some intelligent debate and solid points in this thread, so thanks for that! Just wanted to jump in an explain the thinking behind some of the recent changes.

- The SS skill had to go. It should never have been there in the first place as it pushed all weapons well beyond their intended ranges and with more racial variants coming into the game (rail rifle, combat rifle etc.) it was more important than ever to have cleaner range profiles for all weaponry.
- The Sentinel was designed primarily as a point defense role. His speed and slow turn rate make him unsuitable for frontline combat. His presence should make anyone think twice before approaching a position. I'm not sure but it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about the ineffectiveness of the HMG stem from the fact that people want to use it to lead the charge into enemy territory. The HMG is not well suited for use in open areas but it comes into its own when used in outposts where targets are confined to narrow spaces. And at close range, the HMG is still very effective, I believe.

The HMG's optimal range is up to 30m and max. effective range caps out at 50m. (This is currently a hard cap - all weapons stop doing any damage beyond their max range - but we're going to be fixing this soon. Like soon soon, not SOON(tm).) What it needs is not a damage buff (it kills just fine) but a gentler damage falloff curve so that it can be used as an effective suppression weapon in the 50-70m range. As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG so that's something I'd like to address as soon as possible.

Other smaller tweaks like lessening kick (which gets pretty excessive as the weapon nears its heat threshold) and a modest improvement in how quickly the weapon reaches optimal dispersion should make it feel much better.

Anyway, thanks for the ten-page thread, guys. I look forward to the next ten pages!

I'm really happy that the HMG is getting tweaked though. Thanks to all the heavies that posted, and thanks to all the trolls for the free bumps

I've gone the Tac AR route just a few shots puts any other heavies down from giggle distance.

lol @ 71.6 dmg

Would need to be rebalanced concidering all other weapon got changed. Wouldn't bet as balanced as it was if exactly as before.

But, yes Let focus on HMG.

Maybe we should pull some numbers to help the devs. I will look at some stuff tonight and see if I can post something. Testing with blue mate let say for distances.

(when something ceases to be fun), then there's always stuff to do.

+1

I want my old HMG it did it's job

Just to be clear the friendship we showed here is now over I plan on decimating all you fellow heavies on the battelfield.

May you die gloriously at the hands of my meat grinder!

Major props goes to the legions of heavies for giving the constructive feedback that CCP needed to see, now you guys got some reasonable buffs out of it!

I look forward to being murdered just a bit more frequently by you guys soon enough. :D

Let me correct myself.

Heavies are lucky to have so many forum warriors AND passionate players.

I wish I was home to kill and kill with my fellow Heavies. Give those TacAR's a good beating for me.

already been doing so.

oh, and 6 heavies in a squad is hilarious


(need nano hives though)

And I apply logic to the situation and no bumps. I am guessing that most of the heavies in this thread were scrubs that got their jaws on the bone CCP just threw us and forgot all about this thread.

Depends, do you think that damage was the problem HMG had?

Depends, do you think that damage was the problem HMG had?

Well then that is because you weren't a heavy, or if you were, you weren't worth learning your name.

This is a range problem not a damage problem.

ALL weapons got a 10% dmg increase? WTF's your problem?

Oh, here we go. We got a live one here boss. "What is your KD scrub"... Well my KD is you are nothing and I have no idea who you are to even care about your opinion. Unless it coincides with mine and then we can be friends, until that time though you do not matter. Because what you obviously want is not what I want because you are stupid... D. U. M. B. stupid. So either jump onboard or I am going to run you over with facts and knowledge. Most people that get into this type of thing with me just stop posting, I suggest you do the same.

yea we all are. I don't get what this guy's problem is...

Is he the first legit person to be angry over the heavy buff?

#umadbroyolo

Schalac I know you have good intentions but pick your targets better.

Range buff is incoming btw. Shame it'll be like the damage buff and be for all weapons though :(

Sadly every weapon in this game needs a brand/character that defines it differently. CCP wants HMG to be an automatic shotgun that can reach a little bit so it can possibly defend an area half-well. Even with the buff the other weapons get we'll probably see the most benefit from it.


Sorry to ruin your fun xD

What's your KDR warlord? Mines like 4.15 now. Terrible I know :(

nvr run into him


i wanna fight him

Cause I'm too lazy to quit FF8 and go check - I've never researched you or played with you before yet we're in the same alliance.

Nope - I just don't know anything about you. Since we both prowl these forums together so often I thought I'd try to get to know you :D

6.01

top on the leaderboards, i wanna see him in action (even if it's against me)

Well i think all the heavies here would like to thank you Lance for making this awesome thread and for pushing so hard for our well needed buff.
very happy with my HMG now, just needs a little work with the turning speed, but everything is fine other than that for me.

costs roughly 50,000 SP - how do you not have that?

it is actually. You can now survive AV nades and a single forge/swarm shot. Giving you time to respond.

bumping this just bc sota and tiberius and lance and other heavies including myself have worked so hard to keep this afloat

heres to u, fatboys!!

I'm going to laugh so hard when everyone specs out of heavy, then they buff the crap out of the heavy.

"GIV 'NOTHER RESPACK CCP!1!1!! OR I KWIT 4EVAR!!11"!

It still lack range I guess ?

-heavies need base 30% resistance to small arms and explosives
-heavies need bass 500 shield and 500 armor
-heavies need at least 2 high power and lower power slots to begin with
-heavies need 15% increase to running speed, and 10% to turning speed
-HMG needs increase to range and accuracy after initial spooling


doing this will make the heavy a more versitile drop suit and lead to a more dynmic and fun game play. where players will need to think tacticaly and use skill. where goods are balanced with bads. in this way the heavy can actually participate in combat instead of just hoping enemies will come to him without sneaking up on him (CCP did a great job with the objectives having multiple access points. :) these are only slight buffs so scouts and assaults can still circle you and kill you. but they have to do so skillfully.

if you can't defend yourself how are you going to protect anyone else? logi's, scouts, assualts can all do it. its the heavies turn for a buff.

in short, area denial, squad defense, frontline support, and being a general contribution to the team will make the heavy playable. because really who has 6-7million sp to blow on a class that can only be used every few games. who has 100,000 isk to spend on proto gear and proto suits that arent any better than the militia gear. CCP we need these changes. help a brotha out!

Yeah, and every scrub in the game will go heavy too (not trying to say you are a scrub). The game will go from AR514 to HeavyScrubPackingAGLU/DTAR514. Heavies should be deathspitting bollards of Doom, not bulky Assault suits.

Not my fault that CCP is waiting for everyone to respec into DTARs before they beat them into the ICU with the nerf bat.

Heavies are Heavies, not bulky Assaults. They need to be buffed to reflect this, this would include a nerf to movement speed and a buff to Raw HP, resists and turning speed (IMHO).

@Warlord

I am guessing that you haven't noticed me refer to Heavies as "semi-mobile bollards". I really think CCP needs to look at making them react to LAV impacts the same way that bollards react to vehicle impacts.

I.E. If the driver is stupid enough to collide with a heavy, he deserves to be stopped dead in his tracks and take significant damage (if not blow up outright).

[quote=Alaika Arbosa][quote=XxWarlordxX97][quote=D legendary hero]-heavies need base 30% resistance to small arms and explosives
-heavies need bass 500 shield and 500 armor
-heavies need at least 2 high power and lower power slots to begin with
-heavies need 15% increase to running speed, and 10% to turning speed
-HMG needs increase to range and accuracy after initial spooling


doing this will make the heavy a more versitile drop suit and lead to a more dynmic and fun game play. where players will need to think tacticaly and use skill. where goods are balanced with bads. in this way the heavy can actually participate in combat instead of just hoping enemies will come to him without sneaking up on him (CCP did a great job with the objectives having multiple access points. :) these are only slight buffs so scouts and assaults can still circle you and kill you. but they have to do so skillfully.

if you can't defend yourself how are you going to protect anyone else? logi's, scouts, assualts can all do it. its the heavies turn for a buff.

in short, area denial, squad defense, frontline support, and being a general contribution to the team will make the heavy playable. because really who has 6-7million sp to blow on a class that can only be used every few games. who has 100,000 isk to spend on proto gear and proto suits that arent any better than the militia gear. CCP we need these changes. help a brotha out!



whell that wont happen because need to spec almost 5million sp into being heavy and even with the mitlita fit and the 30% one clip from an AR can still kill you. so, yeah if they want to be ARfops, then they might as welll keep the assualt suits

Now, please keep in mind that I am not talking about Heavies as they currently are. If they have their movement speed nerfed, their Raw HP buffed, get variable Armor/Shield Small Arms Fire resists dependant on Racial Variant and get their turning speed increased by roughly double; then they should behave the same as bollards for LAVs/Derpships (the more lightly armored of the vehicles).

I really think that Heavies should be the segue between dropsuits and MTACs and I think that the best way to represent this is detailed above.

Also, HMG should have its damage buffed, though keep its optimal between 10-15m. If you're infantry and you get within that range and you aren't a Heavy, you should be dead before you hear the HMG spinning up.

I can't shake the feeling that you are patronizing me.

why would you slow down a heavy, thats like speeding up a scout...

the heavy is already slow it needs to be faster (not as fast as any of the other suits, but definately much faster)

I'll agree that the turn speed should be increased, though I still feel that they should have movement speed of a stump.

Once they give us MTACs, then you can have your high-mobility Infantry (well as Infantry as a Mech can be) tank.

I do have to say that I really, really want the ability to collect helmets so that when we do get MTACs I can spend AUR on having a "grass skirt" for my MTAC that consists of steel cable with PRO helmets at the ends.

this is STILL ALIVE!?!?!

dude have you ******* seen caladri assaults shield tanking. some of them get more EHP than a heavy at 914 ehp.

so not only do they have 5 times the mobility of a heavy, but now they have the same or higher ehp. why would anyone use a heavy suit unless they have an hmg or forgun? and even at that those guns are laughable

lol

man you must be new around here. You're saying people gonna switch to heavy AWAY from the assault class??? Oh boy...

That will never happen.

Funny argument though, gave me a chuckle thinking about so many heavies running around

ikr

I'm really happy i spent some SP into getting a medium suit for pubs. I still bring out the heavy + hmg now and then in pubs but Assault suit is where my bread and butter is in pubs.

Heavies just need teamwork (Logibros still make them invincible)
However, the HMG is a joke, now that I've tried it.

sentinels are defensive.

Heavies are heavies.

Let's kick some doors in.

Edit: And D Legendary Hero's bad ideas are bad. He should feel bad.

that is all.

Send your tribute to me, (the King of Heavies), within the next week.

Hi - not only are they playable - there down-right mean when in skilled hands. (And I'm pretty sure Breakin Stuff would walk all over you in a heavy suit).

What's the secret to the heavy suit? Logi-LAV / Forge-gun with SMG side arm and flux nades. Nothing will stop you unless a couple of dedicated AV want to risk there lives tryin' to catch you ;) And I don't even use proto in pub matches because I got sick of mail sayin' I'm a proto pub stomper with the noob cannon. Lol

get good warlord. Maybe you're not eating enough bacon?

I'm always available when you're ready for your heavy whoopin' ;)

I'm always available when you're ready for your heavy whoopin' ;)

I have been doing really good with my Heavy in PC, in pub matches I am not quite as good as I was in Chromosome but that is to be expected with the range nerf, and the fact I still run std and everyone has proto. CCP is adding different armor plates so that will be very nice. The main thing I want to see atm is ccp adding 5-10m to my HMG, and a slight speed increase like type 2 suits used to have other than that they are good imo.

is this with/ without the lag issue?

as stated, i had issues with lag, when i tried PC. i usually have a decent (ie. positive) K/D ration when playing Pub matches, i just found that the usual handicaps were exacerbated by the lag in PC. if you dont have the Lag problem i suspect the game should run as usual, and u'd get the usual results.

Heavies need a faster tracking speed that's all.

The heavy is indeed at a low point that even I will admit. I have found and have video proof how easy it is to tank a heavy with hmg using assault and smg.

You're a pub heavy - come back when you're on me or Lance's level.

yeah all my points are in heavy suits. but the dren stuff is different. the HMG needs some fixes. when i speak off buffs im taking about slight buffs, that a heavy would notice immediately but most players wouldnt really notice (they die alittle more but would probably dismiss it as something else).

a slight range buff, a slight damage buff, a slight movement and turn speed buff, thats all im asking. do i want the HMg to be the i win button everyone thinks it is? NO. do i want the heavy suit to be the unstoppable juggernaut everyone is afraid of? NO.

i want a useful weapon not a a fully automatic water balloon cannon. i want a suit that is balanced for its purpose, not a pair of pajamas with pillows in it. is that too much to ask?