Things that are drastically needed:

• Higher turn speed for heavies
• Higher movement speed for heavies
• Drastic changes to HMG damage and range
• More slots for heavies (I mean come on, its a giant heavy suit, yet scouts get more module slots...?)
• The complete removal of speed penalty on armor plates (works in Eve, but its a terrible mechanic in an FPS)
• Potentially a decent amount of passive reps on heavy suits as well, at least the armor variants. Bring the Amarr logi bonus to the heavy suit. 1HP/s passive reps +5% bonus to all incoming repair sources (not quite logi bonus there)

hell yes, i loved that bit, run into a group of enemies with your squad and everyone primaried you as you did insane damage up close. might only get one if they focus fire effectivly, but you go down knowing your assault budies will mop the floor with the enemies blood.


now? everyone ignores you and goes after the AR guy that can actually hurt them at a decent range

yay! somebody commented! does the highlited bit also mean we will be getting our base range put back where it originally started at?

an HMG shouldn't be confined to a defensive role in the way this build has forced it to be. as a base heavy, i find it extremly hard to play defence when the person i am shooting at can move faster than i can move my gun, completly defeats the purpose as i tend to end up dead every time.

and if the sentinal was designed as a guardian role, what are the basic heavies role? as it sucks just as badly at leadin a charge

There is a misconception here,
if they want us to be a CQC defender they need to give us tools to perform that job, these tools are more damage, more turning speed but less range and less walking and sprint speed.
If they want us to be a suppression class, they need to give us more range and more walking and sprint speed but less damage and turning speed, so we can suppress at long range.

The heavy suit right now does not have the appropiate tools to perform his job of a defender because we have short range, low damage, low speed and low turning speed so we are no where an effective class in the role we are suppose to be.

If the HMG is changed how Remnant is describing, it'll be fine.

The problem now is that it's crap at mid-range and only bruises up close where you miss plenty.

If we can do reliable damage further into mid-range, we can lay down more damage when the target is either advancing or retreating. Fits my door-kicking playstyle fine, and also makes us better at holding an objective.

(You need to be able to make them duck their heads at mid-range, otherwise the assaults will just take pot shots at you until you're dead.)

With regards to suoerhero rawdon:

Agree
Disagree. Making heavies faster doesn't obsolete logis unless we can carry our own equipment too.
Agree
Agree
Agree, but smaller penalties. We are slow enough already :(
Agree.

Having more choices in suits is always a good thing. Having said that, I didn't really have a problem with the current suits other than being forced to spec into only 1 race.

Slower mobility is a pain, but it becomes even more of a pain with the limitations of the current HMG. If we had more range / dmg / tighter spread / something that improves the HMG in general, then adapting to a slower suit becomes easier. Like if I had this suit in the last build but with the old HMG stats, it would have been a matter of changing playstyle, to a more defensive role due to lack of mobility and speed.

Faster suits encourages a more aggressive heavy playstyle...at least for me!

I still run the HMG despite its current state, and I know there are some who stand with me (you know who you are).

I think that this would be a good idea, a few different variants as you stated it might be a while until the rest of the suits arrive

My suggestion would be shield variant, (400-550 hp)
Less armor - (around 200- 280 hp should be in line with the overall buff)
2 hi slots
1 low
And the rest stand ard for heavys


A heavy suit with dual light and heavy weapon slot
Comes with equal armor and shield (300-400 each)
Only 1 hi and low slots
And the grenade slot
However has lower cpu/pg overall as well, even after maxed circuitry and other cpu/pg enhancing skills (this is to help balance this suit so two proto weapons pretty much takes all of the cpu /pg for the suit, or can run a advance secondary weapon and fit a high/low mod)

Not sure what else, but I think it would be a good idea to at least have some variety even if only for it gets taken away when the racial suits get here, in I'm assuming 6months - ish

Also I didn't mention how to fix the hmg as enough ppl have giving you good/great advice already,

Also thanks for engaging in the thread CCP Remnant

Yeah, we had to skill into SS otherwise we werent be able to shoot anyone with the insane range of AR and laser rifle, i think the range withour SS was ok for the HMG in Chromosome and the damage was more than good, in fact no one complain about the damage of the HMG in the forums back in chromosome

This ^

They QQ so much about heavies beign a defender or a support class, when the only way we have to get WP is to kil that means by no choice we are killers

Let's look at what the Dev said:



It sounds like he was looking at the Damage value on HMG's based on Chromosome's Weaponry lvl 5, which was needed to get HMG's.

So that right there added 10% dmg to the base dmg of HMG's. So instead of taking away 10% (weaponry 5) it looks like he took away 10% from the base value (without weaponry 5)

So in total it was a 20% dmg nerf.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276


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they are "listening"

but next week before we hear anything.......so heavies are screwed till AFTER pc comes, oh joy.....

CQC Scout was the most efficient Heavy murderer there was last build, second only to skilled Mass Driver users.

Just to be clear the friendship we showed here is now over I plan on decimating all you fellow heavies on the battelfield.

May you die gloriously at the hands of my meat grinder!

Scouts suits flaws are workable with your speed. But I understand if you have any frustrations - the vets around here who do use scouts don't unite like heavies and tankers do. So I can only assume the class isn't in a bad shape.

But eh, Heavies are lucky to have so many forum warriors on there side.