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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:20:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Alldin Kan says heavys are fine, maybe you guys need lessons So he got a proto heavy already and checked us out on higher tiers? Great - now that Aldin said so - it must be true. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:34:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Alldin Kan says heavys are fine, maybe you guys need lessons So he got a proto heavy already and checked us out on higher tiers? Great - now that Aldin said so - it must be true. Alldin only complains when something is wrong, he only complains about input lag which every gun has. Maybe you should ask alldin for the special deal on lessons for corp members He only complains about what he KNOWS about. Since you didn't confirm his suit or gear I can assume he pub stomped and then pretended to understand the entire classes doom 'n' gloom. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:52:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:DS 10 wrote:
Could you be more of a fanboy? Jesus Christ. We get it. He does well. The issue is you shouldn't have to run a 180k ISK suit to be effective in the game. HMG and MH82 are useless. If you don't use the Boundless or better, you're going to die. They dropped the price, but made it so you had to use expensive fits to be worth anything.
Regardless, HMGs are broken and it has been tracked and confirmed by IW and Hans. A buff will be coming hopefully sometime soon.
I still can't believe how hard you're riding Alldin...
Alldin is my battle buddy, you sound a bit mad. Maybe you should play with friends who don't suck... Just a suggestion. All weapons are bad that aren't proto, tough luck. So 2 below average players suck with a weapon, but yet a god like alldin dominates with it but its the weapons fault? Sounds like a lack of personal skill Let's see him do so in a corp battle. I'll even set one up with SyNergy hopefully. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:15:00 -
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You heavies who ditched HMG will one day come to regret. CCP ****** us - but only for now.
Have .0000001% faith guys! |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:23:00 -
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I want it stated that we heavies still rock pubs - if you don't you really are a scrub.
My gripe is what happens when we enter a corp match against proto skilled players who know how to take down a heavy - we will be nearly useless if we're not holding choke points. In fact - why did you take a heavy? Scout with SG and RE works better.
My niche is better handled by the scouts.. fml |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:33:00 -
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Hollow M Ling wrote:Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this? Uhm - We heavies in the Imps already have? Why do you need to go Zitro to something we've loaded in several threads already.
Well - the heavies amoung us who stayed heavies anyways - most switched to logi. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:34:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Hollow M Ling wrote:Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this? All I see is crying and a circle jerk with fat kids, till you bring something that other players(non scrubs of course) that aren't heavies agree on. This is a pillow for you heavies to cry on and I'm poking you Does that pillow come with a copy of Mr Zitros book of Get Good? |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:35:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Hollow M Ling wrote:Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this? Uhm - We heavies in the Imps already have? Why do you need to go Zitro to something we've loaded in several threads already. Well - the heavies amoung us who stayed heavies anyways - most switched to logi. lmao, your heavies are WEAK and zitro only trolls....badly why would anyone go to him for info of anysort I'm better then any heavy in ZTCD.
:) |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:42:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I like how 1 guy's opinion seem to outweigh the majority. Only in your world that might happen...whatever rock you live on. Pretty sure 80 people's opinion > 1 guy saying the HMG is "fine" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041&find=unread^ you can check the list for yourself. Some pretty well known heavies and HMG users there. Also if you lolread you'll see how many people changed class. Only poor schmucks that invested all their SP into heavy HMG are stuck using it. Alldin is the best heavy It seems, you just want the HMG to be easier. Fatties don't like earning their kills? Lol fatties are so sensitive Alldin has 11mil in SP right or more I've seen Alldin - the guy is insane. Does he use a mouse? Maybe I should consider it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:47:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Hollow M Ling wrote:Zitro can you give any actual feedback here or at least get some of your heavies to talk about how they feel about all this? Uhm - We heavies in the Imps already have? Why do you need to go Zitro to something we've loaded in several threads already. Well - the heavies amoung us who stayed heavies anyways - most switched to logi. lmao, your heavies are WEAK and zitro only trolls....badly why would anyone go to him for info of anysort Troll so bad but get the most responses lol, because you **** people off. To be fair - pissing the emos off in ZTCD is annoyingly easy. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:59:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
Pretty sure 80 people's opinion > 1 guy saying the HMG is "fine"
When the 80 are the ones who claims the earth is the center of the universe and the ONE is Copernicus, ill go with the one. Thats what happens when CCP gets their gameplay balance fixes from bad players; playing a role and being good at it are 2 different things. He's got you there Lance xD |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:25:00 -
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Jesus - I walk away from this thread and come back and it's on page 26.
And what's worse - so little mention of competitive level heavies. You vet heavies makin' me sad.
Has CCP mentioned at all about the data they farmed from Corp Battles? I'd really like to know what the statistics for the Boundless KDR were. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:10:00 -
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Didn't realize we were ever at Odds Polish. :(
There's two types of game modes out basically: Zerg and Camp. In zerg - we have to stick as close as possible to the other zerglings. We need to read the map for player positions and have a knowledge of our terrain, all the while trying to find the best route so our speed isn't factored in so hard. This is cumbersome with reduced speed and range as it's already a trouble trying to keep up - so now only do I not keep up - my weapon can't reach. What's the solution? Flanking. But being a heavy who flanks on his own with this terrible HMG has lead to me getting laughed at as I pull back and wait for back up 75% of the time. It made me realize the gun was broken in Chromosome and in need of nerf - so I've gotten used to finding a way to get others to come with me, usually over comms. But this is usually like rolling dice - so a heavy being in solo so far - not viable.
What else can you do in a zergling match but try to steal kills? Murder Taxi. But using murder taxi requires luck since there's no way most of us have the SP to get a decent LAV and still call ourselves competitors. Even if you did the Hack AV nades shred 'em in two throws that happen within 4-5 seconds. So Murder Taxi - at least from my experience thus far - is not viable as most matches have squads of 6 and makes asking 1 person to carry AV nades very easy. So again - solo heavy - not viable. (No squads has been very rare)
So - we can't flank - we can't murder taxi - do we switch weapons? It would mean no proto - but I saw more success with Exile then Boundless. But **** that. The only true solution is camp areas where fighting is always the heaviest and don't be aggressive unless following zergs.
So I turned to Camp mode. We find far more success here. If you take a second after 3 minutes of the match has passed you can determine where the fighting will be focused by enemy behaviors thus far and just simply camp the objective they seem to desire so badly. Using LAV's for simple A to B Taxi's rather then murder vehicles will higher your KDR from earlier mentioned squads AV. (If your match has no squad tho - as happens once in a while in camp mode - murder taxi is hella fun).
Nodes themselves are our friends now. They even have peek holes we can shoot out of (not a new feature) to harass people and it being a circle we can run around assures us a spot to run from explosions and firearms. Luckily for us too - most objectives have boxes or some sort of cover for us to use and force players to come in closer. Baiting will be the only way you'll get kills here. Most people seem to understand heavies blow - and keep a good distance. Some flat out run without firing a shot then turn around and force me to run at them if they even see me.
TL;DR it's impossible to run solo now as a heavy with mild success in skrims - but I do not have a problem going solo as AR with an assault suit on an alt with 3.5 mil SP.
I wish I could test the HMG on a competitive level - I only know from the stats it'll fail. Without actual matches with coordinated teams I'll never really see where the drawback are showing now. Before it was that everyone elses speed meant they could escape and us chasing them meant trouble. Now I'm pretty sure they can charge us and LOLOLOL all over us.
We can be replaced in almost every circumstance by a scout now as well or any class. Remote Explosives (Once fixed from bug I hear) with SMG/SG do the HMG's role better for less SP.
The only benefit heavies bring is we force concentrated fire fights if we're any good and give our team mates a chance to bring in the pain. Which is awesome - but not what I expect from a class that's called Jugernaught.
Corp matches as heavy would be us spotting for the other team then holding people down - which also involves us trying our hardest not to get shot up by the ones we're trying to hold. Which also means we won't be holding them long SO GET OVER HERE QUICK GUNNER OR BLAZ OMFG SCRUBS. :3 |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:44:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Didn't realize we were ever at Odds Polish. :( On some things yes. I can't stay mad at you What things |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:46:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:Oh wow a useful post from SoTa....of........PoP. What happen to SoTa PoP though lol
I stopped giving proper feedback a long time ago - sorry if I appear overly trollish. Just passing time.
SoTa PoP - my main - is banned for a month from the forums. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:04:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:I've tried just about every combination to make the hmg relevant. It just seems no matter what we do - limited mod choice's - no equipment - ****** variants - no high slots - PG used up too quickly - SP extensive... CCP wants us to leave the fat suit. "You want to be a killer with a big gun? TOO ******* BAD." Seems to be what I get these days.
"Adapt or die." Sure - In the heavy suit. How can I adapt in the heavy suit? Give me numbers and show me if you need too to the people who love to quote these damn lines. In fact - go stream a video where 10 games in a row you go 25/2 because you're so good at adapting.
If adapt means abandon the class I want to play - that's not adapting - that's giving up and moving on to another class. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:46:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Just thought I'll share a little experience with the Codewish Duvolle tact.
All I can say is LOOOOOOOL
This thing is WAY superior TO ANYTHING in this game. No wonder you see all the "good" players using it. It's EASYMODE, and let's wait for all the modded controllers to come out. This gun is gonna rule everything.
Forget about the HMG guys. Lvl up AR's and get a Duvolle tact. on your heavy suit. So adapting in this sense means... changing weapons to what everyone else is using.
Survival of the fittest indeed. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:19:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:so tell me... what is the the heavy called? a sentinel yes that is correct! now does anyone know what sentinel means? anyone? yes it means a soldier or guard whos job is to STAND AND KEEP WATCH. this means you sit in a room near a choke point door etc. and then you wait and keep flankers (like myself) from getting behind lines and wreaking havoc behind the enemies back. or.... it is to get to an elevated point of high visibility and keep track of enemy vehicles and light them up with the forge gun. this update was really telling heavies what there role is! not that they can tank around and mow down crowds. if you look at it through this perspective it is a supporting role! so are scouts by flank and logis by triage! now you see what i am getting at? how every role on the battlefield must maintain and kill another specialty role... Oh look - someone else telling us how everyone of the same class should play.
I guess that means CCP is also telling everyone Logi's are the prime slayers, too? |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:53:00 -
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How does CCP look at CB data and completely miss how easy it was to avoid HMG/Boundless? Now it's even easier with the added bonus of it not packing the same punch... |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:11:00 -
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I think HMG's suck.
This is not a bump - just an opinion. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:34:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:
oh dear, we did it again
I played with your heaaaart! Got lost in the game! Oh baby baby
Ops, you think I'm in love? That I was sent from abooooooooove?! I'm not, that, interested in using HMG anymore :( |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:05:00 -
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I just want to know why just because the SUIT is defensive the WEAPON has to be the same thing - they're two different items.
HMG = Big gun with big bullets. AR is a small gun with small bullets. Why does one beat the other? Because AR users QQ the hardest.
Just because the suit says it's for defensive reasons doesn't mean that's what's explained in the weapons details. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:38:00 -
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30 pages of heavys crying out
1 years worth of HMG data
0 good responses from CCP.
Remnant seems completely confused. Maybe if he and the rest of CCP actually TRIED there game on a real server and not a local connection they could of gotton proper feedback.
You release a build with obviously broken things - how? Why? Why did this build get pushed through? Really - I used to help maintain a Minecraft server - if we changed a mod and didn't explain it to the people who used our server we'd expect outrage and no excuses we give them would suppress that we arbitrarily decided how they were going to enjoy a game they've already been enjoying for some time. They were already asking for changes to the server - if we ignored them for our own ideals we'd be taking a dump on the people who support us and helped donate to keep the dedicated server paid for.
Guess what you just did CCP? |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:38:00 -
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I think it's time they gave heavies grappling hooks. :D |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:45:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:they should just let me strap an HMG on to an assault suit already tbh. Why would they with SMG around? It's the same weapon - but SMG actually gets kills. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:01:00 -
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Scouts suits flaws are workable with your speed. But I understand if you have any frustrations - the vets around here who do use scouts don't unite like heavies and tankers do. So I can only assume the class isn't in a bad shape.
But eh, Heavies are lucky to have so many forum warriors on there side. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:14:00 -
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Hollow M Ling wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Scouts suits flaws are workable with your speed. But I understand if you have any frustrations - the vets around here who do use scouts don't unite like heavies and tankers do. So I can only assume the class isn't in a bad shape.
But eh, Heavies are lucky to have so many forum warriors on there side. Or people like me who come once in a blue moon. Let me correct myself.
Heavies are lucky to have so many forum warriors AND passionate players. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 04:56:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: What is your KD scrub
Oh, here we go. We got a live one here boss. "What is your KD scrub"... Well my KD is you are nothing and I have no idea who you are to even care about your opinion. Unless it coincides with mine and then we can be friends, until that time though you do not matter. Because what you obviously want is not what I want because you are stupid... D. U. M. B. stupid. So either jump onboard or I am going to run you over with facts and knowledge. Most people that get into this type of thing with me just stop posting, I suggest you do the same. Schalac I know you have good intentions but pick your targets better.
Range buff is incoming btw. Shame it'll be like the damage buff and be for all weapons though :( |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:17:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:
And that is what is sad. The other weapons do not need a range buff. I feel that every weapon as it stands today is good for what it is doing. Minus the HMG. The HMG should have the range of the assault HMG and the assault HMG needs to go back to it's range it had in chromozone. Take away the damage buff that was really just a hotfix to placate the masses and let us compete with the ARs. If we can't compete with the ARs then we as HMG wielders are worthless. I'm not even saying to give us the range the AR has, just what we had in chromozone, which was slightly shorter than the AR range, but it let us be competitive.
Sadly every weapon in this game needs a brand/character that defines it differently. CCP wants HMG to be an automatic shotgun that can reach a little bit so it can possibly defend an area half-well. Even with the buff the other weapons get we'll probably see the most benefit from it.
XxWarlordxX97 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Schalac 17 wrote: Oh, here we go. We got a live one here boss. "What is your KD scrub"... Well my KD is you are nothing and I have no idea who you are to even care about your opinion. Unless it coincides with mine and then we can be friends, until that time though you do not matter. Because what you obviously want is not what I want because you are stupid... D. U. M. B. stupid. So either jump onboard or I am going to run you over with facts and knowledge. Most people that get into this type of thing with me just stop posting, I suggest you do the same.
Schalac I know you have good intentions but pick your targets better. Range buff is incoming btw. Shame it'll be like the damage buff and be for all weapons though :( I was having some fun Sorry to ruin your fun xD
What's your KDR warlord? Mines like 4.15 now. Terrible I know :( |
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General Tiberius1 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: What is your KD scrub
Oh, here we go. We got a live one here boss. "What is your KD scrub"... Well my KD is you are nothing and I have no idea who you are to even care about your opinion. Unless it coincides with mine and then we can be friends, until that time though you do not matter. Because what you obviously want is not what I want because you are stupid... D. U. M. B. stupid. So either jump onboard or I am going to run you over with facts and knowledge. Most people that get into this type of thing with me just stop posting, I suggest you do the same. We'll be scrubs together but.....but....i thought we were scrub buddies! You guys should be scrub buddies.
Let the real heavies handle the battlefields. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:31:00 -
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That's fine - I don't post for likes it's just a consequence of my appeal.
And Chicagocubs is a beast. One of the few heavies I can honestly say is better then me. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:54:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Why do you want to know
Cause I'm too lazy to quit FF8 and go check - I've never researched you or played with you before yet we're in the same alliance. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:58:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Why do you want to know
Cause I'm too lazy to quit FF8 and go check - I've never researched you or played with you before yet we're in the same alliance. are you mad or something? Nope - I just don't know anything about you. Since we both prowl these forums together so often I thought I'd try to get to know you :D |
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It just got buffed though, so there's no need for this anymore. What? It got buffed but that didn't fix the weapon.
Stop being half satisfied. We're still sentry guns that can do little else but camp - which was more then half the complaints.
Although ever since I got my Saga my murder taxi is back :D |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:44:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It just got buffed though, so there's no need for this anymore. What? It got buffed but that didn't fix the weapon. Stop being half satisfied. We're still sentry guns that can do little else but camp - which was more then half the complaints. Although ever since I got my Saga my murder taxi is back :D LMAO i hate those things /me gets assault FG I no longer fear MLT forges! Takes you two shots and I'll be gone before you know it! :D |
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote: What? It got buffed but that didn't fix the weapon.
Stop being half satisfied. We're still sentry guns that can do little else but camp - which was more then half the complaints.
Although ever since I got my Saga my murder taxi is back :D
I don't have nearly enough sp for that. Since infantry and vehicle don't share passive anymore, that would cost me tons of SP I also need to work my way toward assault FG first. After use it for so long, I simply can't get use to the normal one lol. costs roughly 50,000 SP - how do you not have that? |
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote: costs roughly 50,000 SP - how do you not have that?
By 50,000, you mean grab a saga alone and run everything else in militia ? I'm not sure if that is a good idea, or is it ? it is actually. You can now survive AV nades and a single forge/swarm shot. Giving you time to respond. |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:24:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote: costs roughly 50,000 SP - how do you not have that?
By 50,000, you mean grab a saga alone and run everything else in militia ? I'm not sure if that is a good idea, or is it ? it is actually. You can now survive AV nades and a single forge/swarm shot. Giving you time to respond. Now I'm going to try it lol, they still die pretty easily so long as the person shooting you isn't using militia AV stuff Which - considering the SP sinks - means they were dedicated AV to begin with. |
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like you have to have your target dead center of your reticule to get any hit detection now? You actually have to go a little a head of them, just a tad, if they're moving. Otherwise if they're not mostly in your circle your going to miss a lot. |
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:33:00 -
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Doom mode is mostly un-usuable. CCP needs to buff turning speed asap. |
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