Oh wow a useful post from SoTa....of........PoP. What happen to SoTa PoP though lol

What things

Oh wow a useful post from SoTa....of........PoP. What happen to SoTa PoP though lol

This is quite similar to my experience.

Flanking doesn't work.
Murder taxi doesn't work.
Running with squad yield me nothing.
I simply can't keep up with them.

I do find mild success running solo in skirmish.
Enemies are easy to read there so it's easier to flank a strayed one.

Didn't realize we were ever at Odds Polish. :(


There's two types of game modes out basically: Zerg and Camp. In zerg - we have to stick as close as possible to the other zerglings. We need to read the map for player positions and have a knowledge of our terrain, all the while trying to find the best route so our speed isn't factored in so hard. This is cumbersome with reduced speed and range as it's already a trouble trying to keep up - so now only do I not keep up - my weapon can't reach. What's the solution? Flanking. But being a heavy who flanks on his own with this terrible HMG has lead to me getting laughed at as I pull back and wait for back up 75% of the time. It made me realize the gun was broken in Chromosome and in need of nerf - so I've gotten used to finding a way to get others to come with me, usually over comms. But this is usually like rolling dice - so a heavy being in solo so far - not viable.

What else can you do in a zergling match but try to steal kills? Murder Taxi. But using murder taxi requires luck since there's no way most of us have the SP to get a decent LAV and still call ourselves competitors. Even if you did the Hack AV nades shred 'em in two throws that happen within 4-5 seconds. So Murder Taxi - at least from my experience thus far - is not viable as most matches have squads of 6 and makes asking 1 person to carry AV nades very easy. So again - solo heavy - not viable. (No squads has been very rare)

So - we can't flank - we can't murder taxi - do we switch weapons? It would mean no proto - but I saw more success with Exile then Boundless. But **** that. The only true solution is camp areas where fighting is always the heaviest and don't be aggressive unless following zergs.

So I turned to Camp mode. We find far more success here. If you take a second after 3 minutes of the match has passed you can determine where the fighting will be focused by enemy behaviors thus far and just simply camp the objective they seem to desire so badly. Using LAV's for simple A to B Taxi's rather then murder vehicles will higher your KDR from earlier mentioned squads AV. (If your match has no squad tho - as happens once in a while in camp mode - murder taxi is hella fun).

Nodes themselves are our friends now. They even have peek holes we can shoot out of (not a new feature) to harass people and it being a circle we can run around assures us a spot to run from explosions and firearms. Luckily for us too - most objectives have boxes or some sort of cover for us to use and force players to come in closer. Baiting will be the only way you'll get kills here. Most people seem to understand heavies blow - and keep a good distance. Some flat out run without firing a shot then turn around and force me to run at them if they even see me.

TL;DR it's impossible to run solo now as a heavy with mild success in skrims - but I do not have a problem going solo as AR with an assault suit on an alt with 3.5 mil SP.

I wish I could test the HMG on a competitive level - I only know from the stats it'll fail. Without actual matches with coordinated teams I'll never really see where the drawback are showing now. Before it was that everyone elses speed meant they could escape and us chasing them meant trouble. Now I'm pretty sure they can charge us and LOLOLOL all over us.

We can be replaced in almost every circumstance by a scout now as well or any class. Remote Explosives (Once fixed from bug I hear) with SMG/SG do the HMG's role better for less SP.

The only benefit heavies bring is we force concentrated fire fights if we're any good and give our team mates a chance to bring in the pain. Which is awesome - but not what I expect from a class that's called Jugernaught.

Corp matches as heavy would be us spotting for the other team then holding people down - which also involves us trying our hardest not to get shot up by the ones we're trying to hold. Which also means we won't be holding them long SO GET OVER HERE QUICK GUNNER OR BLAZ OMFG SCRUBS. :3

I've tried just about every combination to make the hmg relevant. The HMG is only good in very specific situations. Because of this it is not enjoyable to play.

Without a huge buff to damage and range the HMG is Dead!

What concerns me the most is that the only hope we have is that turn speed may be increased-ok certainly will help
The other comment came in hey would new suits make you feel better? Hell no its the dam HMG that's the problem.

Then we get a comment oh I forgot that weaponry was taken out too so you did get a 20% damage nerf. O gee whiz -golly

No specific comment about fixing the HMG. Just a lot of look at the shiny things in my left hand.

On some things yes.

I can't stay mad at you

I've tried just about every combination to make the hmg relevant.

<3 u HDTT
*start creeper mode*

If adapt means abandon the class I want to play - that's not adapting - that's giving up and moving on to another class.

fixed it

Greatly increase range and damage for the HMG.

Greatly increase kick so its difficult for run-and-gun.


Suddenly weapon is fun.

Also serves purpose as badass point defense weapon with armor plated sentinel suits.

Just did some efficiency testing with corp mates tonight.

Here is the run down quickly:

%eff. ................Boundless HMG ............. HMG................. TAC Duvolle ............... Duvolle.................Shotgun
110.........................N/A..........................N/A ........................up to 70m....................up to 47m.....................up to 5m
100..........................N/A...........................N/A..............................70m..............................47m...........................6m
95......................up to 30m..................up to 28m.........................?............................... ?..................................?
75..........................40m.............................33m...........................80m..............................54m.........................8m
50...........................43m...........................38m............................90m............................62m.........................12m
25............................51m...........................46m.............................98m............................70m........................15m
0..............................55m...........................50m............................100m...........................71m........................18m


Big problem with the HMG (and shotgun) is that is as so much spread that you could multiply a % of missed shot which increase with distance to the %eff damage.

So let say at 40m, you hit with your boudless about 40% of the shoots, and your %eff. is 75. It give you 30% of your DPS, so 30%of 513, which is 153 DPS.

We have fired 33 bullets. 13 bullets have hit, with an average dmg per bullet of 4.63.

We tested the TAR at 80m, and when aiming, you can even get a headshot bonus if the target isn't moving. 112%eff. with 2 burst of 2 shoots deal 320 dmg in about 1 sec, at 80M

Just thought I would give some numbers since I don't enjoy playing the HMG at the moment

Just thought I'll share a little experience with the Codewish Duvolle tact.

All I can say is LOOOOOOOL

This thing is WAY superior TO ANYTHING in this game. No wonder you see all the "good" players using it. It's EASYMODE, and let's wait for all the modded controllers to come out. This gun is gonna rule everything.

Forget about the HMG guys. Lvl up AR's and get a Duvolle tact. on your heavy suit.

So adapting in this sense means... changing weapons to what everyone else is using.

Survival of the fittest indeed.

So adapting in this sense means... changing weapons to what everyone else is using.

Survival of the fittest indeed.

so tell me... what is the the heavy called? a sentinel yes that is correct! now does anyone know what sentinel means? anyone? yes it means a soldier or guard whos job is to STAND AND KEEP WATCH.

this means you sit in a room near a choke point door etc. and then you wait and keep flankers (like myself) from getting behind lines and wreaking havoc behind the enemies back.

or.... it is to get to an elevated point of high visibility and keep track of enemy vehicles and light them up with the forge gun.

this update was really telling heavies what there role is! not that they can tank around and mow down crowds.

if you look at it through this perspective it is a supporting role!

so are scouts by flank and logis by triage!

now you see what i am getting at? how every role on the battlefield must maintain and kill another specialty role...

Such a gentleman :P

so tell me... what is the the heavy called? a sentinel yes that is correct! now does anyone know what sentinel means? anyone? yes it means a soldier or guard whos job is to STAND AND KEEP WATCH.

this means you sit in a room near a choke point door etc. and then you wait and keep flankers (like myself) from getting behind lines and wreaking havoc behind the enemies back.

or.... it is to get to an elevated point of high visibility and keep track of enemy vehicles and light them up with the forge gun.

this update was really telling heavies what there role is! not that they can tank around and mow down crowds.

if you look at it through this perspective it is a supporting role!

so are scouts by flank and logis by triage!

now you see what i am getting at? how every role on the battlefield must maintain and kill another specialty role...

so tell me... what is the the heavy called? a sentinel yes that is correct! now does anyone know what sentinel means? anyone? yes it means a soldier or guard whos job is to STAND AND KEEP WATCH.

this means you sit in a room near a choke point door etc. and then you wait and keep flankers (like myself) from getting behind lines and wreaking havoc behind the enemies back.

or.... it is to get to an elevated point of high visibility and keep track of enemy vehicles and light them up with the forge gun.

this update was really telling heavies what there role is! not that they can tank around and mow down crowds.

if you look at it through this perspective it is a supporting role!

so are scouts by flank and logis by triage!

now you see what i am getting at? how every role on the battlefield must maintain and kill another specialty role...

Oh look - someone else telling us how everyone of the same class should play.

I guess that means CCP is also telling everyone Logi's are the prime slayers, too?

I hope CCP Remnant will read from where he left reading at the end of is day and analyse all our suggestion understand we dont want the be fat AR user, which is lame, but all would be really effective with a TAR(that would be area denial).

I'm just hoping that their team is not draconian to the point where such a massive demonstration of unsatisfied heavies gets waved off because our expectations do not conform to Commander Wang's "stats".

lolstats.

Judging balance by pub games! GG!