Alldin is the best heavy It seems, you just want the HMG to be easier. Fatties don't like earning their kills? Lol fatties are so sensitive

Uhm - We heavies in the Imps already have? Why do you need to go Zitro to something we've loaded in several threads already.

Well - the heavies amoung us who stayed heavies anyways - most switched to logi.

Well you got to like Zitro

no i don't, he's too predictable.

I don't hate the Heavies. Or the HMG.

Well, actually, I hate everyone on the planet equally so technically I guess that means I hate no-one (we're all snowflakes!)

Good to see some intelligent debate and solid points in this thread, so thanks for that! Just wanted to jump in an explain the thinking behind some of the recent changes.

- The SS skill had to go. It should never have been there in the first place as it pushed all weapons well beyond their intended ranges and with more racial variants coming into the game (rail rifle, combat rifle etc.) it was more important than ever to have cleaner range profiles for all weaponry.
- The Sentinel was designed primarily as a point defense role. His speed and slow turn rate make him unsuitable for frontline combat. His presence should make anyone think twice before approaching a position. I'm not sure but it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about the ineffectiveness of the HMG stem from the fact that people want to use it to lead the charge into enemy territory. The HMG is not well suited for use in open areas but it comes into its own when used in outposts where targets are confined to narrow spaces. And at close range, the HMG is still very effective, I believe.

The HMG's optimal range is up to 30m and max. effective range caps out at 50m. (This is currently a hard cap - all weapons stop doing any damage beyond their max range - but we're going to be fixing this soon. Like soon soon, not SOON(tm).) What it needs is not a damage buff (it kills just fine) but a gentler damage falloff curve so that it can be used as an effective suppression weapon in the 50-70m range. As an attacker, right now it's too easy to shrug off the hits and close the gap between yourself and the person wielding the HMG so that's something I'd like to address as soon as possible.

Other smaller tweaks like lessening kick (which gets pretty excessive as the weapon nears its heat threshold) and a modest improvement in how quickly the weapon reaches optimal dispersion should make it feel much better.

Anyway, thanks for the ten-page thread, guys. I look forward to the next ten pages!

That's odd.

Is that 20m as seen from the target intel info on-screen? I double-checked the curves like five minutes ago and they're definitely 30m for optimal range.

I'll investigate further.

proto HMG lost two high slots for complex mods, lost weaponry bonus, lost over 20% base damage.

Wait... a dev actually read our suggestions, and a slight fix is coming?

Tbh, I didn't expect this, but thanks.

I'd appreciate a scientific breakdown or images if possible. phone shots accepted.

Has anyone tried the heavy suit with a laser. Im just curious about that and trying to find a way to continue to play dust. Cause I'm not even turning my ps3 on to play under the current conditions.

I think with the current maps design, we should have received another race for the heavy, a shield, fast version for "running" around and turning at reasonnable speeds so we can track the guy running and jumping in minmatar logi using their 4high,4low,4equip setup and duvolles.

This patch was indead bad for the heavys since you either use what is available and run the sentinel that you don't want, or you do like me and don't upgrade the dropsuit and use the militia one to save your SP.

Jesus - I walk away from this thread and come back and it's on page 26.

And what's worse - so little mention of competitive level heavies. You vet heavies makin' me sad.

Has CCP mentioned at all about the data they farmed from Corp Battles? I'd really like to know what the statistics for the Boundless KDR were.

*start creeper mode*

I hope CCP Remnant will read from where he left reading at the end of is day and analyse all our suggestion understand we dont want the be fat AR user, which is lame, but all would be really effective with a TAR(that would be area denial).

I can't wait too

are you calling me a scrub?

What is your KD scrub

What is your KD scrub

We'll be scrubs together

That's fine - I don't post for likes it's just a consequence of my appeal.

And Chicagocubs is a beast. One of the few heavies I can honestly say is better then me.

are you mad or something?

What? It got buffed but that didn't fix the weapon.

Stop being half satisfied. We're still sentry guns that can do little else but camp - which was more then half the complaints.

Although ever since I got my Saga my murder taxi is back :D

What? It got buffed but that didn't fix the weapon.

Stop being half satisfied. We're still sentry guns that can do little else but camp - which was more then half the complaints.

Although ever since I got my Saga my murder taxi is back :D

By 50,000, you mean grab a saga alone and run everything else in militia ?
I'm not sure if that is a good idea, or is it ?

it is actually. You can now survive AV nades and a single forge/swarm shot. Giving you time to respond.

You guys don't want to see my HMG