Heavies don't use lasers. Heavies use HMGs or FG (REAL Heavies)

Cowardly CoD and Halo players who want to get as many kills as they can before they die step into a Heavy suit and strap on a LR and sit somewhere near their max rang and pick targets.

lol, real heavies are broke SoB's


as i don't intend to throw my money away on a broken PoS, i am now using my skinweave heavy with basic **** till something is done to improve said heavies

lol, real heavies are broke SoB's


as i don't intend to throw my money away on a broken PoS, i am now using my skinweave heavy with basic **** till something is done to improve said heavies

Why not just temporarily give all races the ammar heavy model, just edit their colors, and stats to reflect what the actual heavies are supposed to be like.

Use it as a place holder so we atleast have a few more toys to play with, while your art team fleshes out their final design?

I doubt anyone would mind if you did that. That way you can make a complete game "content wise" and then just stream in the completed models later.


Hell you could do this with all of the missing racial vehicles, and weapons if you wanted. just copy what you did when you created all of the racial logies.

Just throw in a small blurb in the item a description that would tell the avarage Joe that this particular piece of equipment is just a place holder.

Content now, visuals later.

Thank you, but no thank you.

I can't wait for the Heavy Variant Suits, however making corrections to the HMG must have top priority where the class is concerned. No suit will benefit a gun that we cannot use for any type of roll in the battlefield.

I understand you wanted to make the Heavy play the role of point defender. To me this means being able to take on at least a full squad of 6 by myself as is often the case. In order for this to happen HMG needs either:

category a.) Longer range, tighter bullet spread, less kick/heat build up, smaller targeting reticule, wind up upon ADS, suppression effect: stopping power (-__% movement speed per landed round), more damage

or

category b.)Faster turning speed, more damage, faster wind up when AFH, suppression effect: blur (-__% visibility per landed round), longer range, tighter spread, wind up upon ADS, less kick/heat build up

I wouldn't mind seeing a category a.) HMG(point man assaulter) and a category b.) HMG(point defender) in each tier for the HMG in order to add more diversification for the Heavy's role. Either one of these categories would work for point defender, however.

These are my suggestions please note under each category suggestions are listed in order of importance for intended purpose.

These suggestions are based off of my own experience, other players' suggestions, and the DEVs'/players' communications.

I have to say, I'm really glad I'm waiting for more variety on Heavy/Sentinel suits at the moment. Although I am missing my AV possibilities very much so, I've found that even in an Advanced Minmatar Assault suit with Militia modules, equipment, and grenades, I go toe-to-toe with Heavies too easily. I remember a match of Skirmish where I took out two HMG-wielding Heavies trying to hack an objective, simply because I hit them by surprise and their weapons were practically useless. It took another Assault to kill me instead of the heavies themselves.

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

Is it possible to simply use the Amarr heavy model but apply the racial stats and slot layouts you might already have planned? Including the required racial skills to train them so people are not wasting SP on Amarr heavy when they will switch to another race later. Leave out the Racial Sentinel variants, just go to the Heavy Basic proto level of each race.

I think this would help CCP get early feedback and usage statistics on each race's heavy suits. Giving you the option to tweak the suits and bonuses before adding them to the game.

You could even write a neat lore story about vicious corporate espionage resulting from the arms race created by the Immortal mercs. "Blah blah blah stolen Amarr heavy BPOs blah blah blah reversed engineered by each race blah blah provide good foundation to build racial suits blah."

You could even use this same technique to add additional racial heavy weapons with the suits. Use the HMG model paint it gold use the laserrifle beam effect and let us test that Heavy Pulse Gatling Lase you guys are working on.. you are working on that right? RIGHT?!?

(^assuming coding a game is easy^)

Is it possible to simply use the Amarr heavy model but apply the racial stats and slot layouts you might already have planned? Including the required racial skills to train them so people are not wasting SP on Amarr heavy when they will switch to another race later. Leave out the Racial Sentinel variants, just go to the Heavy Basic proto level of each race.

I think this would help CCP get early feedback and usage statistics on each race's heavy suits. Giving you the option to tweak the suits and bonuses before adding them to the game.

You could even write a neat lore story about vicious corporate espionage resulting from the arms race created by the Immortal mercs. "Blah blah blah stolen Amarr heavy BPOs blah blah blah reversed engineered by each race blah blah provide good foundation to build racial suits blah."

You could even use this same technique to add additional racial heavy weapons with the suits. Use the HMG model paint it gold use the laserrifle beam effect and let us test that Heavy Pulse Gatling Lase you guys are working on.. you are working on that right? RIGHT?!?

(^assuming coding a game is easy^)

If the HMG is changed how Remnant is describing, it'll be fine.

The problem now is that it's crap at mid-range and only bruises up close where you miss plenty.

If we can do reliable damage further into mid-range, we can lay down more damage when the target is either advancing or retreating. Fits my door-kicking playstyle fine, and also makes us better at holding an objective.

(You need to be able to make them duck their heads at mid-range, otherwise the assaults will just take pot shots at you until you're dead.)

With regards to suoerhero rawdon:

Agree
Disagree. Making heavies faster doesn't obsolete logis unless we can carry our own equipment too.
Agree
Agree
Agree, but smaller penalties. We are slow enough already :(
Agree.

Having more choices in suits is always a good thing. Having said that, I didn't really have a problem with the current suits other than being forced to spec into only 1 race.

Slower mobility is a pain, but it becomes even more of a pain with the limitations of the current HMG. If we had more range / dmg / tighter spread / something that improves the HMG in general, then adapting to a slower suit becomes easier. Like if I had this suit in the last build but with the old HMG stats, it would have been a matter of changing playstyle, to a more defensive role due to lack of mobility and speed.

Faster suits encourages a more aggressive heavy playstyle...at least for me!

I still run the HMG despite its current state, and I know there are some who stand with me (you know who you are).

The whole smoke trail does one thing, the actual projectile does another (actual projectile has greater range)

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

still cant turn for ****.......

look, the damage and range from b4 uprising was perfect for our supposed 'role' on the battlefield. a walking tank with a mini-gun, who is slow moving, able to hold objectives/tactical points, and DECENT at CQC

honestly, even if they bring one back (range or dmg) we still wont b as strong as we could, or SHOULD, be

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

lol @ 71.6 dmg

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

I think that this would be a good idea, a few different variants as you stated it might be a while until the rest of the suits arrive

My suggestion would be shield variant, (400-550 hp)
Less armor - (around 200- 280 hp should be in line with the overall buff)
2 hi slots
1 low
And the rest stand ard for heavys


A heavy suit with dual light and heavy weapon slot
Comes with equal armor and shield (300-400 each)
Only 1 hi and low slots
And the grenade slot
However has lower cpu/pg overall as well, even after maxed circuitry and other cpu/pg enhancing skills (this is to help balance this suit so two proto weapons pretty much takes all of the cpu /pg for the suit, or can run a advance secondary weapon and fit a high/low mod)

Not sure what else, but I think it would be a good idea to at least have some variety even if only for it gets taken away when the racial suits get here, in I'm assuming 6months - ish

Also I didn't mention how to fix the hmg as enough ppl have giving you good/great advice already,

Also thanks for engaging in the thread CCP Remnant

I think that this would be a good idea, a few different variants as you stated it might be a while until the rest of the suits arrive

My suggestion would be shield variant, (400-550 hp)
Less armor - (around 200- 280 hp should be in line with the overall buff)
2 hi slots
1 low
And the rest stand ard for heavys


A heavy suit with dual light and heavy weapon slot
Comes with equal armor and shield (300-400 each)
Only 1 hi and low slots
And the grenade slot
However has lower cpu/pg overall as well, even after maxed circuitry and other cpu/pg enhancing skills (this is to help balance this suit so two proto weapons pretty much takes all of the cpu /pg for the suit, or can run a advance secondary weapon and fit a high/low mod)

Not sure what else, but I think it would be a good idea to at least have some variety even if only for it gets taken away when the racial suits get here, in I'm assuming 6months - ish

Also I didn't mention how to fix the hmg as enough ppl have giving you good/great advice already,

Also thanks for engaging in the thread CCP Remnant

We are forgetting the most important part here, is that the HMG is not fixed, we need the HMG to be able to perform our job, be it as a defender or as an attacker.

We need the HMG restored to Chromosome stats, that was really balanced

Would need to be rebalanced concidering all other weapon got changed. Wouldn't bet as balanced as it was if exactly as before.

But, yes Let focus on HMG.

Maybe we should pull some numbers to help the devs. I will look at some stuff tonight and see if I can post something. Testing with blue mate let say for distances.