yeah, and every scrub in the game will go heavy too (not trying to say you are a scrub). The game will go from AR514 to HeavyScrubPackingAGLU/DTAR514. Heavies should be deathspitting bollards of Doom, not bulky Assault suits.

Keep it up, maybe CCP will FINALLY realize that the heavy really is UP vs medium suits. CCP could just remove some of the high and low slots of the medium suits. That would might fix the whole problem. Give medium suit a max of 5 high and low medium slots per top tier suit. That might at least make the heavy as weak as in Chromosome when heavies weren't great but definitely not as bad as now. Then again, we had an HMG with good enough range to shoot someone from 20m out as well.

I'm not understanding what you want...

Heavies are slower now than they've EVER been. If you got ran down by a heavy, then the joke's on you tbh. You didn't run far enough.

People should be free to use the suit as they want. Playing a heavy shouldn't be a "DEFEND ALONE! NO ATTACK FOR YOU!" role. The speed of the heavy, and the range of the HMG is what determines the limits of the class / role. People need stop pigeon holing the class.

Heavies are slow enough, and tbh, they SHOULD be a little quicker, especially in the turning department, but all we have is the Amarr suit, so maybe another race will be faster with less HP.

They lowered the dispersion by 5%, which made a world of difference. 1-10m is no problem, 10-20m is where you'll notice the spread. Tbh, I like where the HMG is now compared to the start of Uprising.

If CCP would remove the range hard cap, then HMG would be allot better. Hopefully the spread doesn't increase as range increases. The dmg should drop off, not the spread increase + dmg drop off.

But we'll see.

When there are no more Assaults running around because they're all in Heavies, don't say I didn't warn you.

I guess you'll all enjoy it when this game is nothing but scrubs running around in Heavy suits claiming they're good when they'd suck without those crutches under their arms.

What tiers are you comparing?

PRO Assault to STD Heavy?

I also think you mean PRO Caldari Logi, I've seen tons more of them than the Caldari Assaults, though still not as many as I have seen Heavies (any tier) followed by free suits (usually tweaked starter fits). You're also exaggerating the mobility gap.

@Lance

No, I'm not new around here, been here over a year now.

Yes, I am definitively stating right now that if the Heavies are buffed the way D legendary hero keeps asking for in his thread as well as everywhere else that he's able, EVERYONE able to will stop using other suits for even just the basic heavy frames. I actually do want the Heavies to be something unique and worthwhile to play, however I don't think that making them the uber-assault suit that you all apparently want is the way to do it.

BTW, I'm done arguing about this, I hope you get what you want and then I'll laugh as you all realize how ****** this makes the game.

It's playable now.

you are D Legendary Hero, please teach me how to play heavy

My main concern is that there is no incentive for anyone to want to be a heavy. Anybody want to be slower, weaker, and less damage inducing while costing more sp and ISK? I think not.

Heavies are Danny Devito in that movie Twins compared to assaults being Ahhhnold...

Im not worried about the movement speed so much. We are heavy for a reason. But turn speed and that spread are ridiculous. There shouldn't be assault and scout suits surviving 15m CQC fights with heavies unless somebody is proto'd one way or the other.

Just mho...

thank you for the enlightenment. take me on as pupil and raise my children as your own

You don't pay attention well.

I play heavy exclusively, and I use the HMG, not an AR.

My specialty is Forge Guns though. I'm very good at removing vehicles from the map.

I only run an assault fit when I feel like tooling around pretending to be one of the cool kids. But I use militia fits for that.

and your math failcascades when you start claiming that an assault can match my standard fatsuit's EHP. They cap out 300 HP behind me at best. Hint: I don't have 800 EHP.

I have no problem massacreing proto in close with an HMG. I just have to be close.

what you're demanding is to make heavies so powerful they are the ideal platform for solo play. I object to this agenda. Heavies should shine in team play, and be balanced to support and be supported by a combat squad.

Further your modifying my posts is pathetic. Learn to use grammar and spelling properly. I demand a higher class of troll.

You don't pay attention well.

I play heavy exclusively, and I use the HMG, not an AR.

My specialty is Forge Guns though. I'm very good at removing vehicles from the map.

I only run an assault fit when I feel like tooling around pretending to be one of the cool kids. But I use militia fits for that.

and your math failcascades when you start claiming that an assault can match my standard fatsuit's EHP. They cap out 300 HP behind me at best. Hint: I don't have 800 EHP.

I have no problem massacreing proto in close with an HMG. I just have to be close.

what you're demanding is to make heavies so powerful they are the ideal platform for solo play. I object to this agenda. Heavies should shine in team play, and be balanced to support and be supported by a combat squad.

Further your modifying my posts is pathetic. Learn to use grammar and spelling properly. I demand a higher class of troll.

Well there's your problem right there guy.

I have about 5.5 mil in my heavy. While I can run proto guns I choose not to. I haven't even specced into suits at all! I run in the MLT. (mostly because I do not want amarr which is another topic altogether.)

You have the flashy suit, and the fancy gun, you see, but you have no backbone to hold it all up!

Invest SP into shield upgrades and armor upgrades. lvl 5 for both those skills takes about 1.3 mil.

Then get some complex reppers/armor plates.

Then mabey a complex damage mod or shield extender.

Get your HMG proficiency skill to lvl 5. then start rounding it out with rapid reload.

You cannot depend on the suit bro.

I currently run MLT suit with Standard HMG, Comp. repper and Comp. Damage Mod.

I consistently get a 3 KDR in FW with something like 21 HMG kills. I have gotten 28 kills without an Orbital Strike. This in an MLT Suit with like 850 total HP and only 1 High slot/1 Low slot.

I do agree that the turn speed needs to be tweaked up just a bit though.

imo what they need to do is not buff heavy or HMG. They should nerf (yes nerf - thats the only balancing tool that does not run the risk of balance inflation) assault and especially logi HP - logi HP should not be able to match Heavy HP which it currently can. This will make those suits more killable by HMG. If you increase turn speed or make Heavies buffer you would totally screw scouts over. As is whatever meager existance that scouts have in the game is in large part owed to scouts being able to sneak up on heavies, since both logi and assault outright own scouts no matter what. If you make heavies buffer - yes you would make them better againts assault and logi but that would mean that scouts will have nothing to do in the game period.

Agreeing with me will never lead to me acknowledging you as a good player, good heavy, or even a good person.

But very limited range high DPS is exactly the place heavies should be in. Bring the OHSHI- factor back to the suit. The dispersion makes range almost ******** and the heat build up is a joke.
A proto HMG should do 25 dmg a shot base.

the freedom assault does have nice range but its seriously way too weak,,dont waste your time/isk fella's,,or,,simply try it out and see for yourself,,good luck lol. Try the six-kin,,rips'em in half but not as effective against other heavies using boundless UNLESS U GET THAT DOT ON THEIR HEADS. LUVIN THE SIX-KIN TBH. TRY,,HAVE FUN

It is my opinion that the original nerf to the HMG dmg output is the echo that started the rockslide that lead to the fail avalanche that is this game's balance right now.

Looks at the smg mag and the HMG Belt, the rounds in the belt are way bigger than those tiny little rounds in that stick magazine.
Bigger rounds equal bigger damage I thought a HMG would do more damage than a smg, this "HMG"is a faster firing smg with weaker rounds and a bigger mag.

Real life =/= Game

The power needed to force a laser through an atmosphere and have enough energy to warm up your brain cells is HUGE! laser rifle would need its own reactor.

A rail gun of the size on a tank, would have enough kinetic energy to fling ITSELF across a map. Ignoring the Forgegun lol

Balance First. Then Lore

actualy the g.e. vulcan mini gun uses a 5.56 nato or .223 with a max range effective of over 500 m after that the bullet drop become exponatial .. played with a few of those in iraq and afgahn thats why they mostly put them on doors on heli's

There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks?

actually i haven't bumped the thread once... at least not after the dev commented in it. It keeps coming back now and then lol

Should rename it to "Heavies post here!"

Yeah, the suit is fine, it's the weapon that needs work. Without other heavy weapons for the HMG to be balanced amongst its class with, it winds up getting watered down to the standards of light weapons because it's the only anti-infantry heavy weapon.

Please don't take this as me being snarky, but you guys do know that the HMG dispersion get tighter the longer you fire it, right?