CCP says there will be. I hope they don't back out.

They have already backed out. They just don't want to admit it so they can keep the player base that they have for testing. I mean look at it, they had months to implement it, the engine it's built on HAS IT BY DEFAULT, and they even added playstation move into the controller options. It's quite obvious they have little interest in actually putting in KB/M, and the devs have never actually responded to someone that pointed this out. The few times the devs ever mentioned anything was a few weeks ago when enough people bitched that they said "soon *tm"

**** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-)

Controllers are good for a lot of games. But SHOOTERS are not one of them. Mouse and keyboard is essential for optimal FPS gameplay.

I have a PS3 for games like SoulCalibre, Madden, and Ace Combat. Your post is now moot.

Controllers are good for a lot of games. But SHOOTERS are not one of them. Mouse and keyboard is essential for optimal FPS gameplay.

I have a PS3 for games like SoulCalibre, Madden, and Ace Combat. Your post is now moot.

Best suck it up and get training those thumbs because this IS a PS3 first and foremost. You can cry all you want about how it SHOULD have been PC based, but it's not and thats that. If the option for K/M is introduced, then cool, i hope that works well for you.. but There is no way hundreds of players are going to quit this game solely because they have to use an 'inferior' control method.

I've played with Controllers since I was a kid and always managed to master shooters. I'm not ad-versed to a Mouse either. KB-M is not a "necessity".[/b]

Good for you, and if there is an option, people that want to use keyboard and mouse getting that chance.
And you and everyone else realy know that mastering keyboard and mouse in this kind a game you have WAY more controll for better aming and feel in the game.

KBM requires more skill than controller does.

The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller.

Get your facts straight.

I will. Playing this game with a controller simply doesn't feel right. It's clumsy and awkward.

To put it another way: it's like if you were forced to aim with the directional pad.

KBM requires more skill than controller does.

The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller.

Get your facts straight.

What???!!!... Are you drunk or something? MORE skills to use a keybard and mouse then a controller???!! Wow, what planer "are" you from?

I am now convinced you never used KBM before.

Difficulty by fighting the controls is not good difficulty. Controls in a competitive game should be as smooth, sharp and intuitive as possible. So that it works with the player as much as the player works with the controls.

Gamepads are not well suited to first person shooters.

KBM doesn't have any aim assist. It's all you.

Well, you made my day today. I must say, you clearly dont know what you are talking about.

Look out guys, we've got a badass over hea.

Bottom line is, the PS3 is capable of using the keyboard and mouse. Just because people like the loud one in here isn't used to using them, doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. Being able to choose the best input for whatever your playing should have been implemented YEARS ago.

I really think that, if we want to continue focusing on shooters then it is only to the industry's benefit that we start pushing mouse and keyboard.

Then we can start coming up with mice and keyboards that work well on the couch.

Well, anyhow, i made my point, CCP deside if they are going to lose tons of players, gain more or just jurk around and dont dear to do anything. On the event on iceland they told Keyboard and mouse whas going to be an option. If that isnt the case anymore, i'm selling my PS3. Something i shoud have done ages ago, but kept it as i whas waiting for this game. Pc is and have always been the ultimate gaming machine, and think its a error that they aint making this game for PC, as Eve Online is a PC game, and Dust built on the same concept.

You consistently argue that this change will chase away players.

Yet that's what you're doing.

Do you have some sort of preference for console gamers over PC gamers?

There are many players here that are actually attracted to Dust 514 because of KBM.

Let me ask you this: Are you absolutely certain that the amount of console players who will get indignant over adding KBM will outnumber the players who came to Dust 514 because of KBM support?

So many uncoordinated kids crying that they might need to use a controller.

@ Lilianna Sentinel, all you do is whine and complain

Is this how all eve players behave????????

Thank you for changing the question.

I didn't ask how many PC players there are on PS3 versus how many PS3 players there are.

This change won't make ALL PS3 gamers angry like you seem to imply.

In fact, I am certain many PS3 gamers will be quite pleased that they can use a mouse and keyboard instead of a clunky old gamepad.

Thank you for changing the question.

I didn't ask how many PC players there are on PS3 versus how many PS3 players there are.

This change won't make ALL PS3 gamers angry like you seem to imply.

In fact, I am certain many PS3 gamers will be quite pleased that they can use a mouse and keyboard instead of a clunky old gamepad.

One of the big reasons I am even interested in Dust to begin with is because of Mouse and Keyboard support. I would be seriously disappointed if we all had to dumb down to playing with gamepads because a few people can't adapt to a better control scheme.

lmao what do you not understand? I play ps3 because I like those controls. PS3 players don't want PC controls or they would play PC!

I don't care how clunky they are in comparison I like ps3 controls.

Dust 514 isn't on PC though.

Enough with the kb/m thread spam already! If this game wasalso released on pc, then I'd say yes to balance it out but it's a ps3 exclusive so there is no good reason to do it other than the fact that some people don't know how to use a controller properly. This game was made for PS3 players who have no problem using a controller for FPS, not to atract whiny pc players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn without kb/m. If any of you decide to get rid of your ps3 because of this, good riddance, the rest of us are doing just fine.

Enough with the kb/m thread spam already! If this game was also released on pc, then I'd say yes to balance it out but it's a ps3 exclusive so there is no good reason to do it other than the fact that some people don't know how to use a controller properly. This game was made for PS3 players who have no problem using a controller for FPS, not to atract whiny pc players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn without kb/m. If any of you decide to get rid of your ps3 because of this, good riddance, the rest of us are doing just fine.

Well, I'll say the same thing to people who can't upgrade to a mouse and keyboard and quit as a result:

Good riddance. This is better for everyone. If you don't want to move forward, we're happy leaving you behind.

EVE players are so awful I wish they stayed on their PC all day instead of trying to turn a PS3 game into a PC game.

It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade since I prefer (and most ps3 players) a ps3 controller.

It is better for everyone? No it is better for PC players, who is this game trying to appeal to, pc or ps3 players?

For FPS? The only reason I can think of why that would be the case is if you can't aim without your aim assist.

Otherwise it is better in every other respect.

Well, I'll say the same thing to people who can't upgrade to a mouse and keyboard and quit as a result:

Good riddance. This is better for everyone. If you don't want to move forward, we're happy leaving you behind.

Just like when we move onto a new generation of hardware, just like when HD TVs come out, we can't stop and wait for those unwilling to upgrade. Except this upgrade is a decade late.

I do have mouse and keyboard for my PS3 but I don't want to use it because in prevents me from lying in my couch comfortably while playing. If they put in kb/m, I'll be forced to use it if I want to be able to compete with other kb/m users and then I'll either have to sit up or lie in an awkward position which is unacceptable because I'm too high for this shite!

there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )

I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.

Still not better.

Sounds like a personal problem. Harden the **** up.

This isn't like other games - Evetard

This isn't like other games - Evetard

So does the inability to use a controller, I assume you have opposable thumbs, use them.

This isn't like other games - Evetard

Then get into specifics: Why do you prefer gamepad over mouse and keyboard?

And your point is?.. LoL.. i have been in EvE online for 8 years, and i do realy know that this ISNT like any other game.. And will never be like any other games in the world.

Fits in my hand, easy to reach buttons, don't have to set it on a desk, can sit comfortly on my couch, I can easily move it, requires no cord or plug in,.

Good ergonomic mouse fits in your hands easily.
You have 153+ buttons to reach on a keyboard, all within easy access.
You can sit comfortably on your couch with a decent hard mousepad.
You can easily move a keyboard and mouse.
You can easily use/have a wireless mouse and keyboard.

Extra Pros:
You can use these devices on a PC or 360 as well.

You can buy adapters like eagle eye and others, who convert keyboard and mouse movements into controller commands. With them Dust feels like an PC-Shooter and yes, aiming is very acurate, if configured well.

A discussion is useless if there are such options. You can be against native Keyboard/Mouse support, but you can't prevent players from using what they like. And there is no way to prevent such adapters.

No native support of kb/m = advantage for players who use kb/m with an adapter
With native Support = equal opportunities for all

Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.

Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more.

Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.

Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more.

You're breaking our Emergent Gameplay by forcing Keyboard and Mouse in Dust!



Naw, see.. my thumbs are used for a number of purposes. First, the thumb on the left is used for crouching, jumping, and tertiary actions. I've also got four other fingers that can do a multitude of things.

My right hand, my thumb is bracing the mouse, and even better, it can hit Mouse Button4 and Mouse Button5 for reloading and a tertiary action.

It's actually not that bad. Since my PC broke down, I've been using my PS3 to browse the web from my couch. With the setup I have right now with my wireless mouse and keyboard, it's actually very comfortable. I'd actually argue that it is more comfortable than using a gamepad, but that's just me.

First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..

They don't.

Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move.

Ok I get that, but you can do all those things with a controller, except aiming might be a bit slower. So if they do get kb/m, which I think they will tbh, they should match the turning speed of the mouse to that of the controller. I'm sure you'll hate that idea because it's considered 'dumbing down' but otherwise you're putting controller users at a disadvantage and at the end of the day it's a console game so there'll always be people using controllers, wether you like it or not.

They suck so I could care less. I don't use them and I don't want to buy one.

Hypocrite.

I'll be fair here.

First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay.

Second, the argument against it is that mouse and keyboard being in common usage will make their preferred control method obsolete. Rather than it being limited to a handful of people who have it, now most players will have it.

The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it.

No one says that controller could beat kb/m, that's actually the whole point that kb/m users would dominate controller users which seems odd on a console system.

Hypocrite.

In short, they want it to stay as it is because they have the advantage. That's all this is. "I have the advantage because other people who play are having difficulties adjusting to an awkward control scheme."

The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it.

Would you like if you played pc, loved the controls, loved the system, then the next biggest game comes out and says they are adding gamepad support. But this gamepad is 100xs better and only a small group of players from a different game system use it. It costs 100$ and you don't like the controls or anything from it.

You will probably reply with yeah I'd adapt. Then why are you playing pc and not that game system?

I won't argue this issue anymore since you pc users are set on pc. Too bad for you guys this game is on ps3

KBM requires more skill than controller does.

The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller.

Get your facts straight.

If it bugs you, then you can always ask for an aim assist slider.

Would you like if you played pc, loved the controls, loved the system, then the next biggest game comes out and says they are adding gamepad support. But this gamepad is 100xs better and only a small group of players from a different game system use it. It costs 100$ and you don't like the controls or anything from it.

You will probably reply with yeah I'd adapt. Then why are you playing pc and not that game system?

I won't argue this issue anymore since you pc users are set on pc. Too bad for you guys this game is on ps3

thats the point why controller crusaders as you put it are protesting against kb/m because they have superiority. its un balanced. put it this way.

if ccp were to release a new game on PC but gave left handed players an unfair advantage. what do you think would happen? exactly the same as releasing kb/m support as is on console. some would learn to play left handed, others would just fight on right handed. but most pc players would be in uproar, and refuse to play. not giving it the player base it deserves and thus eventually dieing. as long as its balanced i dont mind.

i really really wish ccp could give us some offical word as to whats going on with it to stop these endless threads going on about it. starting to get boring.

That really depends: Is it actually better better than mouse and keyboard, as in more functional and precise, or is it artificially better by adding loads of aim assist and sucking all the skill out of the game?

If the former, I wouldn't mind much.

Also, mouse and keyboard doesn't cost 100 dollars so it isn't comparable.

See, the thing about PC gamers is that we don't mind change if it makes the game better. We're used to adapting to new things because one of the main selling points of the PC is that it is customizable to your heart's content.

Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.

It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal.

Well, CCP will lose a lot of its credibility if it goes back on its promise to include KB&M support.

We wouldn't be having this thread if they hadn't said they would.

But it's the fact that they DID say they were and that they have YET to do it is why so many of us are flustered. I know there are many people out there who bought Playstation 3 systems based primarily on this promise.


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Edit: This post is for you folks who think we are randomly demanding KB&M support. (We're not.)

It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal.

Cant be better written. :) Perfect points, and yes i have also friends that have got themselfe a PS3 and keyboard and mouse just as the rason CCP told that it will have support. But havent seen any more info on it. And today i finnaly tested the game, and there isnt any support yet. :(

But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say?

From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3"

But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say?

From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3"

KBM requires more skill than controller does.

The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller.

Get your facts straight.

Nope its the other way around KBM is easier and just simply better for fps games. Yet i hope they dont bring it to the game because it would unbalance this game into oblivion

I keep seeing people say this but I am puzzled as to what it means.

Is it that it will make certain weapons more powerful than it is designed to be or is just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users?

I wonder how many of these people here actually play any PC titles, let alone shooters.

I wonder if they're actually listening to themselves.

This is a change that benefits the console gamer. Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be exclusive to PC gaming. They're going to be given the chance to experience the ergonomic, sharp, smooth and intuitive controls of PC FPS and they're whining about it.

I wonder if they're actually listening to themselves.

This is a change that benefits the console gamer. Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be exclusive to PC gaming. They're going to be given the chance to experience the ergonomic, sharp, smooth and intuitive controls of PC FPS and they're whining about it.

I keep seeing people say this but I am puzzled as to what it means.

Is it that it will make certain weapons more powerful than it is designed to be or is just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users?

basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot.

Oh mighty PC super race enlighten us

The RTS market is non-existent for the PS3. Why's that? :P

Pfft. No. You've got aim assists and wider hitboxes so even if you are missing you're still "hitting".

so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity.

so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity.

Because people don't know any better, and for the most part people complain about the cost of running and maintaining a PC.



Players on PC (for games that y'know.. aren't given the one-size-fits-all treatment a-la Activision) don't get aim assist. They don't. Hitting a target on PC, is hitting a target. Those hitboxes are proper, and the mouse input is left alone.

"Analogue requires more dexterity". I'd argue against that considering more keys, more fine movements on the keyboard. Either way, this is a pretty stupid argument. Mice are better for shooters, everyone in here has pretty much agreed, therefore mice should be an option offered, despite people's fears of it being the "dominating input".

Only because it is so much more limited.

That's why mouse and keyboard aiming is so much better. It doesn't need to slow down your cursor over an enemy, it doesn't need to stick to an enemy. Its effectiveness is so much greater and precise. To a point where none of those artificial boosters are necessary.

that is exactly the point as to why the console players are getting irrate about it. because its better. now dust are introducing kb/m on to a console system meaning there putting a system in place that will effectly give an unfair advntage over analoge players.

please dont give me the adaopt or die thoery. ccp didnt have to make this on console. so they have to take care of the market they are putting the game too

Players on PC (for games that y'know.. aren't given the one-size-fits-all treatment a-la Activision) don't get aim assist. They don't. Hitting a target on PC, is hitting a target. Those hitboxes are proper, and the mouse input is left alone.

"Analogue requires more dexterity". I'd argue against that considering more keys, more fine movements on the keyboard. Either way, this is a pretty stupid argument. Mice are better for shooters, everyone in here has pretty much agreed, therefore mice should be an option offered, despite people's fears of it being the "dominating input".

Stupid people with technical backgrounds that research this ****.



It's on the PS3 because Sony paid for it.

and as for the analoge im mostly refuring to the targetting sytem. not over all movement.

and yes i agree mouse is suprior and that is why consolers are annoyed. they dont have anything against the use of the mouse as long as its balanced so them using there controllers isnt going to be a hinderance. its simple unfair to put a game on console, then shaft console players using analoge sticks. and yes you can go into the point of adapt or die, what if ccp released a new game on pc and said we will be nerfing kb/m users and giving pad users an unfair advantage. would that be fair?

so if it wernt for sony, and its millions of analoge stick users dust would never of happened under any circumstance ever? or no one would of funded it on pc at all?

Your scenario wouldn't work because on the PC everyone would have a keyboard and mouse. Would there be support for gamepads? Probably, but there wouldn't be any special treatment for it. Direct-Input (IE: No Aim Assist, no acceleration on input, no other fiddling with hit detection or hitboxes) is really the only way to have a true skill-based contest of dexterity. Forcing people to have to deal with an inferior control system, then to have it bolstered by what is essentially a fail-tastic design basically shows that it's the game that ends up playing a portion of itself for you.

The beta for Battlefield 3 was insane. Aim Assist was so strong that I could literally shoot and kill a target by not touching the right stick. Aim Assist would follow the target entirely. The Aim Assist for Dust is also pretty strong, again removing the need to be precise and to place your shots.



Dust would have happened anyway in one form or another. Sony just made it easier by providing money.

Back in my day we only had D-Pads. You know what a "D-Pad" was? It was a digital directional pad. It had four buttons, you may have seen one yourself. It was used for EVERYTHING. Movement, aiming, so on. Those analogue sticks of yours sure gives a huge advantage though, you shouldn't be allowed to use them.

so your saying the scenerio wouldnt work because all pc players use kb/m. all consoles users analoge sticks to the same regard.

and again the point of the situation wasnt to theorise the likly hood. it was to question how would you feel if they did, as that is what you are asking console players to accept. some would except it. most would be seriously pissed off rather then feel its a test to there skill. that is how console players feel. otherwise its double standards.

and yes im nearly 30 so i know what a d-pad was. and using analoge sticks present a new range of games and advantages. and they tried to introduce k/b into consoles but they just didnt sell. pads are simple. space effecient. alot easy to use anywhere. there are advantages.

as i say im not objecting to there use at all. far from it. but they have to be balanced, all inputs have to be on a level playing field. and fact is the mouse gives it an unfair advantage. its made on a console, love it or loathe it but there it is. so they have to consider there primary market. which is stick users.

this game has been funded to make someone money, wether it is sony by selling units. or ccp though aurum. if they dont consider the primary market the game will fail. and that means it will get shut down.

as i say im not objecting to there use at all. far from it. but they have to be balanced, all inputs have to be on a level playing field. and fact is the mouse gives it an unfair advantage. its made on a console, love it or loathe it but there it is. so they have to consider there primary market. which is stick users.

this game has been funded to make someone money, wether it is sony by selling units. or ccp though aurum. if they dont consider the primary market the game will fail. and that means it will get shut down.

That's like saying a Keyboard ought to be able to emulate analogue input so that it's fair between a racing wheel and a keyboard in a racing game.

A keyboard + mouse is cheaper then a dualshock controller.

Just sayin.


CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway.

Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be.

if the racing game is being "sold" to racing wheel users. but as you said earlier racing and fps are different interms of the input. racing wheel users dont have a noticable advantage over keyboard users. its more about the experience.

Yea because PC shooter market is bigger than console shooter market Roll

Why dont you wait till PC release instead of unbalancing the console version with KB+M then

Racing wheel users don't have a noti-- are you kidding me? That might be true for kart style racing but for others analogue input is a must. A steering wheel (hell, a gamepad) has a HUGE advantage versus a keyboard, even for racing games on the PC. End result, people are expected to adapt to either get a controller or a steering wheel. It should be no different here.

OT: Went and had food.. Mmm food.



Yeah 'cause modern day developers make shooters that are worthwhile on the PC these days. Naw, instead they take the console experience and just slap it on the PC with limited FoV, lackluster controls, and terrible textures.

http://www.gamesradar.com/valve-reports-seventh-year-100-sales-growth-steam/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.359829-Sliding-Game-Sales-Hammer-Best-Buy

Oh, I'm sorry. The PC market is small? Gee, that's well backed up :3

CoD on PC is bad because Activision can't charge $15 for maps they already sold you in previous releases of their games as easily. People on consoles are used to paying through the nose for next to zero content, PC players expect something substantial. As a result, CoD has a higher profit margin on the consoles because of the closed environment.

PC gamers had enough of the BS, and don't buy MW2/3/whatever now because they can't expect Activision, Sledgehammer, and in some cases even Treyarch, to do it right.

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

http://www.gamesradar.com/valve-reports-seventh-year-100-sales-growth-steam/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.359829-Sliding-Game-Sales-Hammer-Best-Buy

Oh, I'm sorry. The PC market is small? Gee, that's well backed up :3

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

Because CCP promised KB/M support, and also supposedly working on PC client for then the 1year exlusivity agreement is over. Why would PC players lag behind a year on their characters? We're forced to buy the PS3 (because many EVE players want to participate in the battles over THEIR planets), but don't worry, soon as the PC client is released...hello ebay! Some sucker will buy it.

Because CCP promised KB/M support, and also supposedly working on PC client for then the 1year exlusivity agreement is over. Why would PC players lag behind a year on their characters? We're forced to buy the PS3 (because many EVE players want to participate in the battles over THEIR planets), but don't worry, soon as the PC client is released...hello ebay! Some sucker will buy it.

thats the point why controller crusaders as you put it are protesting against kb/m because they have superiority. its un balanced. put it this way.

if ccp were to release a new game on PC but gave left handed players an unfair advantage. what do you think would happen? exactly the same as releasing kb/m support as is on console. some would learn to play left handed, others would just fight on right handed. but most pc players would be in uproar, and refuse to play. not giving it the player base it deserves and thus eventually dieing. as long as its balanced i dont mind.

i really really wish ccp could give us some offical word as to whats going on with it to stop these endless threads going on about it. starting to get boring.

i wonder if anyone of you have ever seen anyone asking for controller support for a FPS game on the PC

Hi

Is there ever going to be options to be able to use mouse and keyboard on this game?

HOW MANY OF THESE THREADS MUST THERE BE?!

I bet you'll be able to migrate your character over to the PC version.

Google-fu for a minute and you'll see people asking for 360 support in a number of games, especially during beta phases.

Yes for vehicle control, not shooting. I had a 360 controller hooked up to my PC just for flying in bf3.

why do pc users have to act all high and mighty, and why do console users have to throw there doll out the pram?

no one and i mean NO ONE can suggest that they shouldnt have kb/m support. as long as its balanced and fair. that is the FPS mantra. fairness and a level playing field so that we can all test our skill at shooting. sure dust adds a new twist in it also shows our skill at fittings the right kit, and picking the skills. but its all about show casing abilitys. and to do that you have to have a level field.

PC guys and gals, please understand consolers just want it to be fair.

Consolers please understand that pc users were promised a medium.

A keyboard + mouse is cheaper then a dualshock controller.

Just sayin.


CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway.

Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be.

If this game were supposed to be fair, then why are there pure power skills in the tree? An increase in weapon damage by 15% or 25% is pretty significant which skews the fairness argument out the window. Combine that with off-map support in live, and it's even more of a problem. CCP hasn't built this game to be fair, I don't see why Keyboard and Mouse versus Controller needs to aside from the nebulous concept (and frankly one I don't care for) of making sure that a controller does okay because everyone has one.

Everyone has a USB keyboard somewhere. Hell, people pay premium for PS/2 keyboards these days, same with mice. You can't really find ball-based mice, so as long as you have a decent surface you're fine.

I suppose the bottom line is: CCP isn't building a fair game. Use the best tools available, don't hold yourself back to inferior input and adapt instead. Adding Mouse support and throwing it in against the rest of the playerbase may shift the way people play shooters in the future, and may afford the possibility of making the mouse a dominant input system for shooters.

If this game were supposed to be fair, then why are there pure power skills in the tree? An increase in weapon damage by 15% or 25% is pretty significant which skews the fairness argument out the window. Combine that with off-map support in live, and it's even more of a problem. CCP hasn't built this game to be fair, I don't see why Keyboard and Mouse versus Controller needs to aside from the nebulous concept (and frankly one I don't care for) of making sure that a controller does okay because everyone has one.

Everyone has a USB keyboard somewhere. Hell, people pay premium for PS/2 keyboards these days, same with mice. You can't really find ball-based mice, so as long as you have a decent surface you're fine.

I suppose the bottom line is: CCP isn't building a fair game. Use the best tools available, don't hold yourself back to inferior input and adapt instead. Adding Mouse support and throwing it in against the rest of the playerbase may shift the way people play shooters in the future, and may afford the possibility of making the mouse a dominant input system for shooters.

Your argument is flawed. Sure there are certain skills that give advantages, but those advantages/skills are available to anybody with the inclination to build their character in any said appropriate manner. All games are fair provided that the same opportunities are provided to everyone. The current item-mall structure for example, would have great potential to unbalance the game. Because of the way CCP have designed it, it has not, which reflects quite aptly CCPs desire for a fair game.

Personally, I am against having KB/M introduced. It would be much simpler to have one platform for control and not worry about having to buy more hardware to be competitive in a console game.
Having said that I see no problem with it IF it can be made so that there is no advantage, other than a users personal preference.

CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway.

Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be.

Once CCP puts M&K in, you'll see the PS3 people leave in droves. It's that simple. Much too unfair, as we all know. Why have the game on PS3 if you're going to treat it like a PC game. They should have just started on PC if that was the case and not waste all of the console players' time.