You really don't get it. The input method IS your interface with the game, and the SKILL is being better at inputting your commands than your opponent. Any natural limitations of a controller are limitations that everyone has, and normally on console is how you have an equal playing field. Unlike on PC where players openly discuss ways to get an EDGE from their hardware, program macros, etc, on console simply using rapid-fire or programmable controllers is looked at as cheap and will get you shunned from the community.

On PC "guys, check out my $200 fully programmable gaming keyboard" will result in ooohs and aaaahs, on console "guys, check out my fully programmable 3rd party controller" results in a definitive "GTFO NOOB. "

One of the big draws of console play is that everyone is using the same input device and thus pure SKILL separates the winners from the losers, not your ability to purchase an advantage off of newegg.

Well then fine why bring it to console in the first place. This game will bomb on the console side if KB/M support is added and then PC get's a port. So don't even release on console it's pointless they are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

My biggest concern is having a highly competitive environment where everyone is on a level playing field. If CCP can manage to provide that, then GREAT. The fact is, creating said envrionment has never been done before so you can understand our hesitation.

If they don't add it, they're going to lose a lot of customers who came to Dust 514 on the promise that they would do this.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I don't think it is going to fail though because the number will be made up for by people who like mouse and keyboard a lot.

Apparently YOU lack it, actually.

The number of PS3 owners with PCs that just happen to have a compatible mouse and keyboard attached is probably larger than you appreciate.

And the number of PS3 players willing to spend $20 or so on cheap peripherals so they can become more competitive in their otherwise-free FPS is also probably higher than you think.

As for myself, I have an old PC with USB KB+M, but I don't intend to use them, and will be disappointed if CCP can't balance the two control schemes. It's been done before, so I don't see a reason why it can't happen here. As long as the controller works competently, I intend to have fun and not care as much about competition.

As for myself, I have an old PC with USB KB+M, but I don't intend to use them, and will be disappointed if CCP can't balance the two control schemes. It's been done before, so I don't see a reason why it can't happen here. As long as the controller works competently, I intend to have fun and not care as much about competition.

Apparently YOU lack it, actually.

The number of PS3 owners with PCs that just happen to have a compatible mouse and keyboard attached is probably larger than you appreciate.

And the number of PS3 players willing to spend $20 or so on cheap peripherals so they can become more competitive in their otherwise-free FPS is also probably higher than you think.

As for myself, I have an old PC with USB KB+M, but I don't intend to use them, and will be disappointed if CCP can't balance the two control schemes. It's been done before, so I don't see a reason why it can't happen here. As long as the controller works competently, I intend to have fun and not care as much about competition.

How do you want them to balance it? Many people say autoaim is bad and gets in the way, but the only other way would be to impose ridiculous limitations on the mouse, like making the crosshair stutter or something like that. Or maybe I simply have a bad imagination.

Is it spam if I post this in every single kb/m thread? Oh well...

From Dust514.org February 13, 2012

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Broadcastorm: Well we should really go on with the interview right now. So Grideris, what's your first question and the official statement from CCP about the thing that people don't still believe us.

Grideris: Yes yes yes. Gentlemen, can you please for once and for all settle it: DUST will support the mouse and keyboard in-game when you're shooting. Can you please settle this for once and for all?

CCP Praetorian: Yes

CCP CmdrWang: Yes we can. Yes we will support the mouse and keyboard for DUST514 including in-game shooting. And I just want to add that you know we are aware of how critical this is to get it right because we've seen other games try to attempt this and there were some problems. But we are dedicated considerable amount of resources into this particular feature because we want to do it right and we want to make sure that our players when they use the mouse and keyboard they will have a very good experience comparable to what they're used to on the PC.

Grideris: Now another question that his revelation has brought up is what is the balance between the mouse and the keyboard versus the controller and by extension, against Playstation Move going to be like? Are you going to make sure that it's all balanced. Because we've had a lot of concern over this. Yes?

CCP Praetorian: We're learning a lot the difference between the three styles of control. And I mean obviously we're still developing it, still balancing, and our commitment is very high. It's supposed to be perfect. But we'll go into more detail on that later once we've you know, kind of hammered in all of the details.

Grideris: Sounds good.
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Maybe we should all put a little faith in CCP, accept that it's happening, and trust that it will be balanced.

But we are dedicated considerable amount of resources into this particular feature because we want to do it right and we want to make sure that our players when they use the mouse and keyboard they will have a very good experience comparable to what they're used to on the PC.


That's enough to say DS3 users are ****** lol!

From what little my brain is capable of picking out of this massive wall of FUD, one of the concerns appears to be that having a mouse will magically allow a heavy weapons guy to spin around and bring his weapon to bear faster than the platters in a hard drive

a feat which will be impossible on the controller but totally doable with a mouse because they think CCP is dumb and don't know how to limit mouse or turning speed I guess

am I on the right track

KB/M or DSC or even the Nintendo Power Glove itself, it all doesn't matter to me. As the way I look at it, I'm gonna be dominating everyone regardless what I use.

Hello everyone.

To keep you informed on this subject, KB&M support is coming. We currently plan to release it in the next major beta patch (build).

This is awful now people will use thier mouse to shoot super fast on weapons like the breach assault rifle therefor giving anyone with a mouse a HUGE unfair advantage

Even if you're against mouse support, I would think you'd be happy to test it sooner just so you can use test results to inform CCP that it is bad for the game.

seriously this stuff is getting boring now. this is why alot of forums have polls, so we can grasp popular opinion.

all i ask is a promise from ccp that they will support consolers if kb/m proves to much of an advantage.

Hi

Is there ever going to be options to be able to use mouse and keyboard on this game?

There's a thing called Eagle eye for ps3 it lets you play any ps3 game with KB/M or wait for the next build.

And Eagle Eye is far from the only one. Regardless if CCP changes their stance on the matter, some players will have the advantage of KB/M, so it's better to make it easier for everyone to use. If they don't officially support KB/M, we'll just have to buy such adapters to be competitive in addition to mouse and keyboard. It just makes it a bit more expensive to "pay to win" as some call it.

*Sigh* I guess.

But the worst thing that could happen is that they back out simply out of fan backlash because of conjecture.