DUST Search - Keyboard/Mouse

Nashor Arkkenclaid wrote:

Farson Thrask wrote:

A mouse and keyboard isn't a very expensive investment. Maybe some people can't use a mouse because they like to lay back in the couch while gaming, but then they are not really trying to be competitive. Either way CCP can't stop me from using a mouse to aim even if they did change their mind about it, I'd just get one of these:

http://shop01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=38491&agentCurrID=159

Or maybe a:

http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3

So isn't it better to just make it easier for everyone to use a regular mouse and keyboard? That way everyone can play at the same level if they wan't to.

There is also GIMX (Google search it) for people who happen to have a second bluetooth-enabled computer/laptop lying around that does the same thing as those devices. Needs Ubuntu, unless you're willing to do some breadboard work.

Honestly, CCP is blurring the line between two highly distinct cultures with DUST, and it's going to be very interesting to see how this interaction is going to pan out. Here's the problem though: EVE players who are also skilled at FPS are going to want to have a stake in DUST; there is no avoiding this. These people have gotten intimately used to the Keyboard + Mouse. Some of them might have never played a console FPS before and are either unwilling or unable to learn a control scheme just for one game. The smart ones WILL find a way around the controller, be it a device like the Splitfish, or GIMX. There is nothing you can do about this.

EVE players are competitive. Welcome to New Eden.

No matter what you do, no matter what you say, there are people who will use the KB/M anyway, especially since CCP promised official support for it. (http://www.dust514.org/home/item/dust-514-supports-mousekeyboard-and-controller) If you would rather have CCP go back on their promise, and end up with large groups of frustrated KB/M veterans simply GIMXing it up, DUST is going to be much less enjoyable for everybody. (Yes, this includes the DS3 players.)

A native scheme opens up the controls to everybody. You don't have to buy a spitfish, or set GIMX up (Not to meniton buy an expensive gaming mouse just to get it to work.) It's more effective to just let people do it rather then force people to find ways around it. (And these people will, and the DS3ers will complain more about something that can't be resolved. Bad times had for all.) It's not even that hard to find a nice lapdesk that you can put a keyboard and mouse on, or put a book and $5 mousepad on your armchair's armrest for the mouse, and keep the keyboard on your lap. It's not as bad as you think it is.

In short, no matter what you do, the KB/M is coming. It's a matter of embracing and letting the consoles use it natively, or mitigating it to an elite, who will cause more frustration then simply allowing it normally.

Take your pick. In New Eden, you adapt, or you die.

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Reefersmokintaz Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:03:00 - [241] - Quote I guarantee the THOUSANDS of controller players will trump the M&K users. I play EVE AND I play FPS on the PS3. Im not too bad on Dust with a controller but prefer M&K. Seems like some console gamers dont like us EVE players....Well you probably will be fighting in OUR space on OUR planets sometime and us EVE players will be ready to orbital strike ya with no remorse. In vice versa also as Ill be getting the thunder brought down on top of my head by other EVE players lol.
Farson Thrask Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space 13	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:06:00 - [242] - Quote A mouse and keyboard isn't a very expensive investment. Maybe some people can't use a mouse because they like to lay back in the couch while gaming, but then they are not really trying to be competitive. Either way CCP can't stop me from using a mouse to aim even if they did change their mind about it, I'd just get one of these: http://shop01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=38491&agentCurrID=159 Or maybe a: http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3 So isn't it better to just make it easier for everyone to use a regular mouse and keyboard? That way everyone can play at the same level if they wan't to.
steadyhand 08 orti Doomheim 43	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:14:00 - [243] - Quote damit going to need to buy a desk now -_-
flip freak Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:14:00 - [244] - Quote dude i got a splitfish and it sucks the dead zone messes every thing up im just wishing for keybord and mouse play but if not owell
Farson Thrask Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space 13	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:34:00 - [245] - Quote I've heard that the XIM compensates for that 'deadzone', though whatever the heck that is i have no idea. I think I'm gonna get one for those other games that don't support mouse/keyboard- http://xim3.com/
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:46:00 - [246] - Quote Driving a car with a steering wheel is too OP!!!! Im going to move the tires with an inferior pullie system. Waaah
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:51:00 - [247] - Quote Spushkin wrote: I guess the only thing is to wait and see. I have a usb M&K nearby, and will check how CCP deals with this. But I don't want to own people just because I have the hardware that is optional and is not used by 99% of PS3 population. That's far worse for me than the infamous "pay-to-win" potential that so many have cried about. I can't say with 100% certainty that the game WILL be fair with this, but I can say it's POSSIBLE and that it HAS been done well before. Hopefully CCP make it work. If not, I have the necessary USB-capable hardware too, so I should be fine... I'll just need time to get used to KB+M control again. It's been a LOOONG time. As you said, wait and see :) Hopefully all goes well.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.05 17:54:00 - [248] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: Driving a car with a steering wheel is too OP!!!! Im going to move the tires with an inferior pullie system. Waaah Cars come with steering wheels and are meant to be driven using the steering wheel. Consoles come with a controller and are meant to be used with a controller. The reason why people balk at kb/m is because there is a sever disadvantage to using a controller against kb/m players. A competitive game that requires you to purchase a kb/m in order to be competitive seems silly when the game is being developed on a system that uses a controller. You can say, that the controllers will have aim assist and will cancel out that disparity but then the playing field is artificially leveled where controller guys feel that their own personal skill doesn't matter when aim assist is present. I'm not sure how CCP intends to balance kb/m & controller while allowing everyone to play in a competitive environment. ...I'm not quite sure its possible but im anxious to find out.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:07:00 - [249] - Quote i play with ps3 control since the ps1 and its, an outstanding controller. i will still play with a controller against kb/m and still win because it makes it harder for me to play against them = makes me a better player. leave the heavy class as it is please because i like to think how to kill them when I'm up against them. dust 514 please don't pander to the people who complain a gun is to powerful.( people who pander about guns that are to powerful are losers " oh no he killed me again not because I'm **** ,it's because the gun is too powerful". it's getting to a point when all gun stats in games are going to be the same. the one thing i don't like in dust is the customisation for the gun is all wrong your going backwards . i think i should be able to put on any scope switch between auto/bust/single shot and magazine. and why do all assault class gun all look the same? let me colour my dropsuit.
cSRT4 13	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:20:00 - [250] - Quote CCP NEVER (repeat NEVER) said they were going to bring kb/mouse into DUST 514 for any purpose other than in chat. Period. And whoever said the kb/mouse is harder than a controller... you'd better start sharing what you're smoking cause you're outta your mind! (and stupid) frickin crybaby pansies

Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:22:00 - [251] - Quote cSRT4 wrote: CCP NEVER (repeat NEVER) said they were going to bring kb/mouse into DUST 514 for any purpose other than in chat. Period. Actually they have, many times in fact.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:24:00 - [252] - Quote Darkz azurr wrote: sorry ps3 owners. pc got there way again. i tried to defend us MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:27:00 - [253] - Quote Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be a PC gaming thing. Just like how playing on a gamepad isn't just a console thing. Mouse and keyboard can definitely be a PS3 thing too if more games decide to push it. In case you haven't noticed right now, AAA games are seriously stagnating. We need games like Dust 514 to help push the platform's shooters in favor of mouse and keyboard.
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:28:00 - [254] - Quote Reefersmokintaz wrote: I guarantee the THOUSANDS of controller players will trump the M&K users. I play EVE AND I play FPS on the PS3. Im not too bad on Dust with a controller but prefer M&K. Seems like some console gamers dont like us EVE players....Well you probably will be fighting in OUR space on OUR planets sometime and us EVE players will be ready to orbital strike ya with no remorse. In vice versa also as Ill be getting the thunder brought down on top of my head by other EVE players lol. Unless another dust player calls in an orbital strike and gives you the coordinates, you won't be able to do anything. Hammertime! Can't touch this... On a serious note, I don't mind EVE players one bit since they'll be the ones providing me with contracts and monaaaay!
Nashor Arkkenclaid Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:33:00 - [255] - Quote Farson Thrask wrote: A mouse and keyboard isn't a very expensive investment. Maybe some people can't use a mouse because they like to lay back in the couch while gaming, but then they are not really trying to be competitive. Either way CCP can't stop me from using a mouse to aim even if they did change their mind about it, I'd just get one of these: http://shop01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=38491&agentCurrID=159 Or maybe a: http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3 So isn't it better to just make it easier for everyone to use a regular mouse and keyboard? That way everyone can play at the same level if they wan't to. There is also GIMX (Google search it) for people who happen to have a second bluetooth-enabled computer/laptop lying around that does the same thing as those devices. Needs Ubuntu, unless you're willing to do some breadboard work. Honestly, CCP is blurring the line between two highly distinct cultures with DUST, and it's going to be very interesting to see how this interaction is going to pan out. Here's the problem though: EVE players who are also skilled at FPS are going to want to have a stake in DUST; there is no avoiding this. These people have gotten intimately used to the Keyboard + Mouse. Some of them might have never played a console FPS before and are either unwilling or unable to learn a control scheme just for one game. The smart ones WILL find a way around the controller, be it a device like the Splitfish, or GIMX. There is nothing you can do about this. EVE players are competitive. Welcome to New Eden. No matter what you do, no matter what you say, there are people who will use the KB/M anyway, especially since CCP promised official support for it. (http://www.dust514.org/home/item/dust-514-supports-mousekeyboard-and-controller) If you would rather have CCP go back on their promise, and end up with large groups of frustrated KB/M veterans simply GIMXing it up, DUST is going to be much less enjoyable for everybody. (Yes, this includes the DS3 players.) A native scheme opens up the controls to everybody. You don't have to buy a spitfish, or set GIMX up (Not to meniton buy an expensive gaming mouse just to get it to work.) It's more effective to just let people do it rather then force people to find ways around it. (And these people will, and the DS3ers will complain more about something that can't be resolved. Bad times had for all.) It's not even that hard to find a nice lapdesk that you can put a keyboard and mouse on, or put a book and $5 mousepad on your armchair's armrest for the mouse, and keep the keyboard on your lap. It's not as bad as you think it is. In short, no matter what you do, the KB/M is coming. It's a matter of embracing and letting the consoles use it natively, or mitigating it to an elite, who will cause more frustration then simply allowing it normally. Take your pick. In New Eden, you adapt, or you die.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:39:00 - [256] - Quote Nashor Arkkenclaid wrote: Farson Thrask wrote: A mouse and keyboard isn't a very expensive investment. Maybe some people can't use a mouse because they like to lay back in the couch while gaming, but then they are not really trying to be competitive. Either way CCP can't stop me from using a mouse to aim even if they did change their mind about it, I'd just get one of these: http://shop01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=38491&agentCurrID=159 Or maybe a: http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3 So isn't it better to just make it easier for everyone to use a regular mouse and keyboard? That way everyone can play at the same level if they wan't to. There is also GIMX (Google search it) for people who happen to have a second bluetooth-enabled computer/laptop lying around that does the same thing as those devices. Needs Ubuntu, unless you're willing to do some breadboard work. Honestly, CCP is blurring the line between two highly distinct cultures with DUST, and it's going to be very interesting to see how this interaction is going to pan out. Here's the problem though: EVE players who are also skilled at FPS are going to want to have a stake in DUST; there is no avoiding this. These people have gotten intimately used to the Keyboard + Mouse. Some of them might have never played a console FPS before and are either unwilling or unable to learn a control scheme just for one game. The smart ones WILL find a way around the controller, be it a device like the Splitfish, or GIMX. There is nothing you can do about this. EVE players are competitive. Welcome to New Eden. No matter what you do, no matter what you say, there are people who will use the KB/M anyway, especially since CCP promised official support for it. (http://www.dust514.org/home/item/dust-514-supports-mousekeyboard-and-controller) If you would rather have CCP go back on their promise, and end up with large groups of frustrated KB/M veterans simply GIMXing it up, DUST is going to be much less enjoyable for everybody. (Yes, this includes the DS3 players.) A native scheme opens up the controls to everybody. You don't have to buy a spitfish, or set GIMX up (Not to meniton buy an expensive gaming mouse just to get it to work.) It's more effective to just let people do it rather then force people to find ways around it. (And these people will, and the DS3ers will complain more about something that can't be resolved. Bad times had for all.) It's not even that hard to find a nice lapdesk that you can put a keyboard and mouse on, or put a book and $5 mousepad on your armchair's armrest for the mouse, and keep the keyboard on your lap. It's not as bad as you think it is. In short, no matter what you do, the KB/M is coming. It's a matter of embracing and letting the consoles use it natively, or mitigating it to an elite, who will cause more frustration then simply allowing it normally. Take your pick. In New Eden, you adapt, or you die. KB/M without limitations won't happen. You don't release a game that would play better using a kb/m on a console that is sold with controllers.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:51:00 - [257] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: KB/M without limitations won't happen. You don't release a game that would play better using a kb/m on a console that is sold with controllers. Why not? Because stubborn people might complain that others have better controls so you'll just dumb everyone down their level? That's bad design that leads to crap like Call of Duty.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:54:00 - [258] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: KB/M without limitations won't happen. You don't release a game that would play better using a kb/m on a console that is sold with controllers. Why not? Because stubborn people might complain that others have better controls so you'll just dumb everyone down their level? That's bad design that leads to crap like Call of Duty. No, because the game is sold on a system that is shipped with a controller. Players that don't play the game because they are being owned on their console means little chance for revenue. And lets be honest with ourselves, the almighty dollar is the reason for this all. It would not be smart for CCP to isolate the 90% of console users that don't play with a kb/m
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.07.05 19:57:00 - [259] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: KB/M without limitations won't happen. You don't release a game that would play better using a kb/m on a console that is sold with controllers. Why not? Because stubborn people might complain that others have better controls so you'll just dumb everyone down their level? That's bad design that leads to crap like Call of Duty. So your saying we should learn to use KB/M to play Dust 514? The game was designed for a console not PC they might as well just port it to PC then because this game wont last very long if KB/M doesn't have limitations.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:00:00 - [260] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: So your saying we should learn to use KB/M to play Dust 514? The game was designed for a console not PC they might as well just port it to PC then because this game wont last very long if KB/M doesn't have limitations. Supposedly it IS getting ported to PC in a year. Since we're all in the same universe in Dust 514, you'll have to be facing PC users eventually. And it'll do just fine on consoles if it has mouse and keyboard unhindered.

Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:00:00 - [261] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: KB/M without limitations won't happen. You don't release a game that would play better using a kb/m on a console that is sold with controllers. Why not? Because stubborn people might complain that others have better controls so you'll just dumb everyone down their level? That's bad design that leads to crap like Call of Duty. What, your shotput ball is 6 pounds? That's dumb, look how much farther I can throw this baseball. How come the Olympics are dumbing down ball throwing? They should let me compete in shotput with this baseball instead of dumbing it down with your clearly inferior shotput ball.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:02:00 - [262] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: What, your shotput ball is 6 pounds? That's dumb, look how much farther I can throw this baseball. How come the Olympics are dumbing down ball throwing? They should let me compete in shotput with this baseball instead of dumbing it down with your clearly inferior shotput ball. When this game's core design is based around fighting terrible controls, then your argument might hold weight. More like, in the olympics we should take away anyone who is physically fit to be fair to those who don't bother to exercise.
Farson Thrask Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space 13	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:04:00 - [263] - Quote So? My laptop didn't ship with a mouse but i'd be stupid to not get one anyway for FPS gaming. It's not like those 90% will be isolated, if they feel that the DS controller is holding them back they can just go and buy a mouse and keyboard. Limiting peoples choices is just a pain in the ass, let them use whatever type of controller that best brings their skill into the game.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:04:00 - [264] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: So your saying we should learn to use KB/M to play Dust 514? The game was designed for a console not PC they might as well just port it to PC then because this game wont last very long if KB/M doesn't have limitations. Supposedly it IS getting ported to PC in a year. Since we're all in the same universe in Dust 514, you'll have to be facing PC users eventually. And it'll do just fine on consoles if it has mouse and keyboard unhindered. lol its F2P so they need a lot of people to keep playing it for a while Just throw in KB+M and this wont happen
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:04:00 - [265] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: lol its F2P so they need a lot of people to keep playing it for a while Just throw in KB+M and this wont happen That's quite a claim, can you back it up with numbers? How do you know that the amount of people who come to Dust 514 because of the promise of better controls won't make up for the number?
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:06:00 - [266] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: lol its F2P so they need a lot of people to keep playing it for a while Just throw in KB+M and this wont happen That's quite a claim, can you back it up with numbers? Common sense Apparently you lack it
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:07:00 - [267] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Common sense Apparently you lack it I said numbers, not **** you made up in your head.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:11:00 - [268] - Quote Farson Thrask wrote: So? My laptop didn't ship with a mouse but i'd be stupid to not get one anyway for FPS gaming. It's not like those 90% will be isolated, if they feel that the DS controller is holding them back they can just go and buy a mouse and keyboard. Limiting peoples choices is just a pain in the ass, let them use whatever type of controller that best brings their skill into the game. Your argument is flawed if KB/M is better than the controller then people are forced to buy KB/M which limits my choice. If I can't use my preference of choice in a DS because KB/M owns I really don't have a choice but to play KB/M to stay competitive...
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:13:00 - [269] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: What, your shotput ball is 6 pounds? That's dumb, look how much farther I can throw this baseball. How come the Olympics are dumbing down ball throwing? They should let me compete in shotput with this baseball instead of dumbing it down with your clearly inferior shotput ball. When this game's core design is based around fighting terrible controls, then your argument might hold weight. More like, in the olympics we should take away anyone who is physically fit to be fair to those who don't bother to exercise. You really don't get it. The input method IS your interface with the game, and the SKILL is being better at inputting your commands than your opponent. Any natural limitations of a controller are limitations that everyone has, and normally on console is how you have an equal playing field. Unlike on PC where players openly discuss ways to get an EDGE from their hardware, program macros, etc, on console simply using rapid-fire or programmable controllers is looked at as cheap and will get you shunned from the community. On PC "guys, check out my $200 fully programmable gaming keyboard" will result in ooohs and aaaahs, on console "guys, check out my fully programmable 3rd party controller" results in a definitive "GTFO NOOB. " One of the big draws of console play is that everyone is using the same input device and thus pure SKILL separates the winners from the losers, not your ability to purchase an advantage off of newegg.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:15:00 - [270] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: So your saying we should learn to use KB/M to play Dust 514? The game was designed for a console not PC they might as well just port it to PC then because this game wont last very long if KB/M doesn't have limitations. Supposedly it IS getting ported to PC in a year. Since we're all in the same universe in Dust 514, you'll have to be facing PC users eventually. And it'll do just fine on consoles if it has mouse and keyboard unhindered. Well then fine why bring it to console in the first place. This game will bomb on the console side if KB/M support is added and then PC get's a port. So don't even release on console it's pointless they are shooting themselves in the foot with this.



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