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sys Ghost
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:36:00 -
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The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:37:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote: First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..
They don't. Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move. They suck so I could care less. I don't use them and I don't want to buy one.
Hypocrite. |
Wicked-The-Croatian Sensation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:38:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote: First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..
They don't. Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move. They suck so I could care less. I don't use them and I don't want to buy one. Hypocrite.
Nobody uses the move derp derp |
Carl Krieg
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:41:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Carl Krieg wrote:You can buy adapters like eagle eye and others, who convert keyboard and mouse movements into controller commands. With them Dust feels like an PC-Shooter and yes, aiming is very acurate, if configured well.
A discussion is useless if there are such options. You can be against native Keyboard/Mouse support, but you can't prevent players from using what they like. And there is no way to prevent such adapters.
No native support of kb/m = advantage for players who use kb/m with an adapter With native Support = equal opportunities for all I'll be fair here. First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay. Second, the argument against it is that mouse and keyboard being in common usage will make their preferred control method obsolete. Rather than it being limited to a handful of people who have it, now most players will have it.
I can say it works very well. For example as an heavy i can rotate much faster and can kill nearly every scout that tries to run around me. And second is: As an sniper i can move my gun much faster and more exact to my target than a controller guy. In options the sensity is set to 92 and it's still acurate enought to kill someone in 250m. If you know how, you can kill someone from the other side of the map, i've done that several times. I'm currently place 20 in K/D-Ratio of all Dustplayers Now hate me!
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Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:42:00 -
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sys Ghost wrote:The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it.
No one says that controller could beat kb/m, that's actually the whole point that kb/m users would dominate controller users which seems odd on a console system. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:43:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:sys Ghost wrote:The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it. No one says that controller could beat kb/m, that's actually the whole point that kb/m users would dominate controller users which seems odd on a console system.
In short, they want it to stay as it is because they have the advantage. That's all this is. "I have the advantage because other people who play are having difficulties adjusting to an awkward control scheme." |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:44:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote: First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..
They don't. Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move. They suck so I could care less. I don't use them and I don't want to buy one. Hypocrite.
Would you like if you played pc, loved the controls, loved the system, then the next biggest game comes out and says they are adding gamepad support. But this gamepad is 100xs better and only a small group of players from a different game system use it. It costs 100$ and you don't like the controls or anything from it.
You will probably reply with yeah I'd adapt. Then why are you playing pc and not that game system?
I won't argue this issue anymore since you pc users are set on pc. Too bad for you guys this game is on ps3 |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:45:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:sys Ghost wrote:The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it. No one says that controller could beat kb/m, that's actually the whole point that kb/m users would dominate controller users which seems odd on a console system. In short, they want it to stay as it is because they have the advantage. That's all this is. "I have the advantage because other people who play are having difficulties adjusting to an awkward control scheme."
That's a learning disadvantage, that's fair. We don't want the ceiling raised by KB/M support so high that controllers can't reach it.
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Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:47:00 -
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sys Ghost wrote:The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it.
thats the point why controller crusaders as you put it are protesting against kb/m because they have superiority. its un balanced. put it this way.
if ccp were to release a new game on PC but gave left handed players an unfair advantage. what do you think would happen? exactly the same as releasing kb/m support as is on console. some would learn to play left handed, others would just fight on right handed. but most pc players would be in uproar, and refuse to play. not giving it the player base it deserves and thus eventually dieing. as long as its balanced i dont mind.
i really really wish ccp could give us some offical word as to whats going on with it to stop these endless threads going on about it. starting to get boring. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:48:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Would you like if you played pc, loved the controls, loved the system, then the next biggest game comes out and says they are adding gamepad support. But this gamepad is 100xs better and only a small group of players from a different game system use it. It costs 100$ and you don't like the controls or anything from it. You will probably reply with yeah I'd adapt. Then why are you playing pc and not that game system? I won't argue this issue anymore since you pc users are set on pc. Too bad for you guys this game is on ps3
That really depends: Is it actually better better than mouse and keyboard, as in more functional and precise, or is it artificially better by adding loads of aim assist and sucking all the skill out of the game?
If the former, I wouldn't mind much.
Also, mouse and keyboard doesn't cost 100 dollars so it isn't comparable. If it was like 20 dollars then I wouldn't mind much. You know, how much mouse and keyboard costs.
See, the thing about PC gamers is that we don't mind change if it makes the game better. We're used to adapting to new things because one of the main selling points of the PC is that it is customizable to your heart's content. |
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Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:51:00 -
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If you get KB/M we're gonna get more aim assist and we don't want that bullshit either. |
Wicked-The-Croatian Sensation
11
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:51:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good.
KBM requires more skill than controller does. The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller. Get your facts straight.
No it doesn't. Now where is the link I asked for like 20 post ago? |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:53:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:If you get KB/M we're gonna get more aim assist and we don't want that bullshit either.
If it bugs you, then you can always ask for an aim assist slider.
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Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:54:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:If you get KB/M we're gonna get more aim assist and we don't want that bullshit either. If it bugs you, then you can always ask for an aim assist slider.
No, from now on i'm walking on to PC gaming forums and demanding controller aim assist 100% and **** balance I don't care if you KB/M players are disadvantaged because that's how I want to play. |
Lavender Fields
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:55:00 -
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Well, CCP will lose a lot of its credibility if it goes back on its promise to include KB&M support.
We wouldn't be having this thread if they hadn't said they would.
But it's the fact that they DID say they were and that they have YET to do it is why so many of us are flustered. I know there are many people out there who bought Playstation 3 systems based primarily on this promise.
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Edit: This post is for you folks who think we are randomly demanding KB&M support. (We're not.) |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:55:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Would you like if you played pc, loved the controls, loved the system, then the next biggest game comes out and says they are adding gamepad support. But this gamepad is 100xs better and only a small group of players from a different game system use it. It costs 100$ and you don't like the controls or anything from it. You will probably reply with yeah I'd adapt. Then why are you playing pc and not that game system? I won't argue this issue anymore since you pc users are set on pc. Too bad for you guys this game is on ps3
A controller, or gamepad works for specific game types. I wouldn't be upset if a gamepad works better in say.. a racing game compared to a mouse and keyboard. (I'd actually plug one in!) Why am I not playing on the PC for Dust? Because it isn't on there.
Phantomnom wrote: That's a learning disadvantage, that's fair. We don't want the ceiling raised by KB/M support so high that controllers can't reach it.
Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Vetis Cato wrote:thats the point why controller crusaders as you put it are protesting against kb/m because they have superiority. its un balanced. put it this way.
if ccp were to release a new game on PC but gave left handed players an unfair advantage. what do you think would happen? exactly the same as releasing kb/m support as is on console. some would learn to play left handed, others would just fight on right handed. but most pc players would be in uproar, and refuse to play. not giving it the player base it deserves and thus eventually dieing. as long as its balanced i dont mind.
i really really wish ccp could give us some offical word as to whats going on with it to stop these endless threads going on about it. starting to get boring.
The more appropriate analogy would be that the game was designed to be left-handed in the first place, but people were playing right-handed because "it's been that way for years on the platform". Screw that, let the people that can play the game left handed as it was intended.
Lilianna Sentinel wrote:That really depends: Is it actually better better than mouse and keyboard, as in more functional and precise, or is it artificially better by adding loads of aim assist and sucking all the skill out of the game?
If the former, I wouldn't mind much.
Also, mouse and keyboard doesn't cost 100 dollars so it isn't comparable.
See, the thing about PC gamers is that we don't mind change if it makes the game better. We're used to adapting to new things because one of the main selling points of the PC is that it is customizable to your heart's content.
Making the game better overall is the name of the game here. Adding mouse and keyboard support would improve the shooter aspect enough to where it would fit in with other shooters and hopefully set a precedent that it's OKAY to use a mouse and keyboard on a system like the PS3 and/or the 360. People are artificially limiting themselves by sticking to controllers only, and in the end it's hurting the games they love, and their capabilities.
Still love how the Move is acceptable because it sucks. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:56:00 -
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If they can patch in KB/M support but maintain a status quo then by all means you should have the right to use it. If not, it's bull. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:58:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:01:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on.
It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:03:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal.
It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others. |
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Mr514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:04:00 -
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Lavender Fields wrote:Well, CCP will lose a lot of its credibility if it goes back on its promise to include KB&M support.
We wouldn't be having this thread if they hadn't said they would.
But it's the fact that they DID say they were and that they have YET to do it is why so many of us are flustered. I know there are many people out there who bought Playstation 3 systems based primarily on this promise.
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Edit: This post is for you folks who think we are randomly demanding KB&M support. (We're not.)
Cant be better written. :) Perfect points, and yes i have also friends that have got themselfe a PS3 and keyboard and mouse just as the rason CCP told that it will have support. But havent seen any more info on it. And today i finnaly tested the game, and there isnt any support yet. :( |
Pepachu
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:04:00 -
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Cant wait for KB/M support along with its defaulted "smooth" gameplay experience cant stand doing the Robot dance with this Controller LOL beep bloop beep beep |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:05:00 -
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Here's a proposition no one can refuse:
Let's put it in testing. This is just the kind of thing testing is for. If it's put in and everyone hates it, it can be nixed and we'll move on. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:06:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal.
Actually it should, to keep a level playing field. We don't want your kind around here! Just kidding, I'm pretty convinced that there will be kb/m considering the demand. The rest of us will just have to adjust or become controller masters, which is fine. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:06:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others.
as long as its balanced i doubt anyone has an issue with it. being a pc player as much as console i struggle to see this happening. you either dont balance it and **** off your primary player base. or balance it and the kb/m wont feel right for pc players and **** them off. damned if you do and damned if you dont. |
Lavender Fields
65
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:07:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
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Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:07:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on.
You shall have NO joystickz, no steering veelz, und no Move! |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:08:00 -
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Mr514 wrote:Lavender Fields wrote:Well, CCP will lose a lot of its credibility if it goes back on its promise to include KB&M support.
We wouldn't be having this thread if they hadn't said they would.
But it's the fact that they DID say they were and that they have YET to do it is why so many of us are flustered. I know there are many people out there who bought Playstation 3 systems based primarily on this promise.
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Edit: This post is for you folks who think we are randomly demanding KB&M support. (We're not.) Cant be better written. :) Perfect points, and yes i have also friends that have got themselfe a PS3 and keyboard and mouse just as the rason CCP told that it will have support. But havent seen any more info on it. And today i finnaly tested the game, and there isnt any support yet. :(
CCP also said they wanted to appeal to a new audience
Pandering to there old one is the worse mistake they could make
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Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:10:00 -
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Lavender Fields wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do.
Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:11:00 -
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Technically "Controllers" is a nebulous label. They can easily include stuff like mice, keyboards, even touch interfaces. |
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