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Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:40:00 -
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Emrys Gal-Wyddel wrote:An unbalanced KBM system is going to force people to buy non-standard accessories to be competitive.
People can already buy non-standard accessories to get that advantage, like Splitfish controllers or certain Mouse/Keyboard adapters. Enabling Mouse/Keyboard support in the game itself just makes it easier for everyone and is in my opinion more fair. Also it makes sense for competitive gaming since the standard controllers are inherently flawed for FPS gaming (imho). |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:06:00 -
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A mouse and keyboard isn't a very expensive investment. Maybe some people can't use a mouse because they like to lay back in the couch while gaming, but then they are not really trying to be competitive. Either way CCP can't stop me from using a mouse to aim even if they did change their mind about it, I'd just get one of these:
http://shop01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=38491&agentCurrID=159
Or maybe a:
http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3
So isn't it better to just make it easier for everyone to use a regular mouse and keyboard? That way everyone can play at the same level if they wan't to. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:34:00 -
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I've heard that the XIM compensates for that 'deadzone', though whatever the heck that is i have no idea. I think I'm gonna get one for those other games that don't support mouse/keyboard-
http://xim3.com/ |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:04:00 -
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So? My laptop didn't ship with a mouse but i'd be stupid to not get one anyway for FPS gaming. It's not like those 90% will be isolated, if they feel that the DS controller is holding them back they can just go and buy a mouse and keyboard. Limiting peoples choices is just a pain in the ass, let them use whatever type of controller that best brings their skill into the game. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:25:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: My biggest concern is having a highly competitive environment where everyone is on a level playing field. If CCP can manage to provide that, then GREAT. The fact is, creating said envrionment has never been done before so you can understand our hesitation.
Get a mouse and keyboard for your PS3 then and you won't be handicapped. If you worry about lack of competition, get in a good corp and go for the high-end contracts, I think you'll find it. I do understand your hesitation, but in my eyes the problem is just that all the DS users need to be encouraged to migrate to mouse and keyboard. If they did, the playingfield would be fair. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:32:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: As for myself, I have an old PC with USB KB+M, but I don't intend to use them, and will be disappointed if CCP can't balance the two control schemes. It's been done before, so I don't see a reason why it can't happen here. As long as the controller works competently, I intend to have fun and not care as much about competition.
How do you want them to balance it? Many people say autoaim is bad and gets in the way, but the only other way would be to impose ridiculous limitations on the mouse, like making the crosshair stutter or something like that. Or maybe I simply have a bad imagination. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:09:00 -
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TEXKO wrote:There's a thing called Eagle eye for ps3 it lets you play any ps3 game with KB/M or wait for the next build. 
And Eagle Eye is far from the only one. Regardless if CCP changes their stance on the matter, some players will have the advantage of KB/M, so it's better to make it easier for everyone to use. If they don't officially support KB/M, we'll just have to buy such adapters to be competitive in addition to mouse and keyboard. It just makes it a bit more expensive to "pay to win" as some call it. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:14:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:TEXKO wrote:There's a thing called Eagle eye for ps3 it lets you play any ps3 game with KB/M or wait for the next build.  And Eagle Eye is far from the only one. Regardless if CCP changes their stance on the matter, some players will have the advantage of KB/M, so it's better to make it easier for everyone to use. If they don't officially support KB/M, we'll just have to buy such adapters to be competitive in addition to mouse and keyboard. It just makes it a bit more expensive to "pay to win" as some call it. Playing devil's advocate, I bet the problem is that by offering native support and allowing people to use any USB mouse and keyboard, the widespread use will completely out mode gamepad use.
I would like to see precisely that. I don't wan't my opponents to be disadvantaged by the DS3. And it could lead to more console games supporting KB/M. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:19:00 -
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Sid Napier wrote:
Made the post with the Keyboard on my laptop, which I wouldn't call a gaming PC. None of my friends use Mouse and Keyboard for PS3... can't name anybody I really know that uses Keyboard and Mouse on PS3... the point is the majority of a console game WILL use a gamepad, making it easier for PC gamers to dominate the competition is just a plain bad move. There have been tons of experiments and in nearly every case of the Keyboard and Mouse VS Gamepad, the ones who used the Gamepad got destroyed. Never use a Mouse and Keyboard for any of my games, don't see why a game I'm hyped for should be spoiled because the only way I can play is to use something that I hate to use. To summarize it all up, letting the minority of players use superior aiming against the majority of players is NOT A GOOD IDEA. If balance means dumbing down the game a bit then YES... I would gladly take a dumbed down balanced game rather than a complex unbalanced game.
That KB/M vs gamepad test is a good reason that KB/M should be promoted as a standard console accessory, since the gamepads are so much inferior in FPS gaming.
4447 wrote:even if i did use a kb/m where am i going to put it? i use my tv in the front room to play ps3 and i would have to set up a table with all them wires all i want to do is play games.
Do you mean to say that the problem is that being competitive in this game (using KB/M) is messing with your seating position? |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:29:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:
That KB/M vs gamepad test is a good reason that KB/M should be promoted as a standard console accessory, since the gamepads are so much inferior in FPS gaming.
Again (this has been explained about a bajillion times) it's entirely subjective. "easier" does not automatically mean "better." To go back, yet again, to my Hurdles vs. Sprint analogy, sprinting isn't BETTER than hurdles just because it's easier. Go Kart racing is easier than F1 racing, but that doesn't make Go Kart racing "better."
In this case easier means better, since it better translates my intentions to my game character. I find it hard to crouch or jump at the same time as moving the aiming stick due to the controller layout, do you consider that an actual game element?
hellcat420 wrote:Quote:That KB/M vs gamepad test is a good reason that KB/M should be promoted as a standard console accessory, since the gamepads are so much inferior in FPS gaming. that wont work. most people who play console do so because they don't want to use a keyboard and mouse, or they would be either playing on pc or already have a keyboard/mouse for their console.
Oh really? Until you back that up with some good sources I see no reason to believe that's the primary reason behind choosing to play on a console. |
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Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:46:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:tribu guybrush wrote:I dont get it why ppl whine about mouse and keyboard suppoprt? Nothing stops each and every ps3 owner from using it! And imo its just the same if someone has more powerfull pc that can run one or more eve clients smoothly vs the dude whit lacluster pc and always lagging. ITS YOR CHOISE. Why everyone should have to play whit bad hardware if you like to?
Its much like religion always pushing other to your ideology instead of free will and choise. what amuses me about this post is how you end it. its your choose, consoler builds have choosen not to push kb/m because they feel (with there millions in r&d) its unfair. and now kb/m people are forcing consolers to change there input rather then giving them the choice to play with what they prefure. because otherwise there behind and going to suffer in the battle
Nope, it's some of the DS3 user's that are demanding CCP to discontinue KB/M support so that they can game comfortably in their couch and not get carpal tunnel like us elite PC gamers. Don't forget that CCP already have decided for KB/M support. KB/M supporters are not demanding or forcing anything. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:33:00 -
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hellcat420 wrote: lol @ keyboard and mouse being new to anyone. the problem is consoles players prefer controllers over keyboard/mouse. that is why they play on console and not pc. what is silly is pc users coming to a console game and demanding an input device that will give an unfair advantage because you cant hack using a controller.
You seem to be confused about who is demanding what. CCP has stated since long ago that KB/M would be supported in the game. The only ones demanding anything are those that are demanding that CCP remove KB/M support just because they don't wan't to use it themselves, that is what's silly. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:07:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:hellcat420 wrote: lol @ keyboard and mouse being new to anyone. the problem is consoles players prefer controllers over keyboard/mouse. that is why they play on console and not pc. what is silly is pc users coming to a console game and demanding an input device that will give an unfair advantage because you cant hack using a controller.
You seem to be confused about who is demanding what. CCP has stated since long ago that KB/M would be supported in the game. The only ones demanding anything are those that are demanding that CCP remove KB/M support just because they don't wan't to use it themselves, that is what's silly. actually the vast majority of people, my self inclued. are not wishing it to be gone at all. i fully welcome kb/m, what we want is for it to be balanced so that kb/m offer no unfair advantage to the mouse abilty to be more accurate.
Well then you're not included in that statement of course. I'm not against balance, but I find it hard to believe that KB/M can be balanced to the point of not offering any advantage over DS3 without nerfing it to the point where it feels like trying to run an obstacle course with a broken leg. But I admit I have no idea what's it's really like to be pro with the DS3 either, I'm so bad I just run with the shotgun and aim almost exclusively by sidestepping. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:07:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters.
Which is best for everyone and for the future of console gaming. |

Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:10:00 -
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Properly balancing them is what CCP intends to do already, we'll just have to wait and see if they succeed or not. |
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