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Bob El Hat Algintal Core Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.08 14:14:00 - [391] - Quote tribu guybrush wrote: I dont get it why ppl whine about mouse and keyboard suppoprt? Nothing stops each and every ps3 owner from using it! I game on PC and consoles and I'd never use keyboard and mouse on the PS3. My PC is on a desk, my PS3 is connected to the TV. Where the hell would I put my mouse when I'm sitting on my sofa? Anyway, I actually prefer FPS on consoles. I have plenty of FPS games on PC and PS3 and I prefer to play on the PS3. The controller is less precise, but I find that makes the gunplay more fun. PC FPS is all twitch, boom, dead - it's boring. Movement with a keyboard is a joke compared to a stick too. Of course it's only fun playing an FPS with a controller when it's a level playing field. Mouse is easier to kill with, so mouse players would dominate. If controller players don't have a reasonable chance to win they won't play. If controller players don't play they don't buy Aurum. If they don't buy Aurum the game is a failure for CCP.
Vetis Cato Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 250	Posted - 2012.07.08 15:37:00 - [392] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Templar Two wrote: ^^^ Frankly MKB won't be the reason why Dust 514 will fail and CCP will close. What the heck gives you the idea that that's even a possibility? You do realize that this entire project is funded off of what they make -solely- from EVE, right? Part of what they layed out in 2009 was that if some natural disaster were to wipe out the entire player base of EVE or Dust, whichever game was left would still work. The two games cooperate, but are also designed to be self-sufficient within their own bounds. Not having Dust would never kill EVE. hate to point it out but i think sony bought the sole rights, hence one of the reasons (among others) is a ps3 exclusive. so believe sony gave a large part of the funding.
Squiddie Squish Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 87	Posted - 2012.07.08 15:53:00 - [393] - Quote kb/mouse is essential if the ps3 is to stay competative when they port it to pc .. which they will . eventually . b/c they will have to . most console players will move on to the next big thing in 3 months and they will need to boost player numbers. also im fairly sure the reason its ps3 exclusive is because microsoft are arseholes. from the wiki entry on dust "the choice of PlayStation 3 exclusive was determined by Sony's more open platform allowing Dust 514 to connect to the Eve Online Server, Tranquility, whereas Microsoft's Xbox Live did not." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_514
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 16:03:00 - [394] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: We'll tolerate controllers for FPS games that are truly awesome, finish the single player, and move on. This makes Dust 514 not awesome then otherwise you would tolerate the controller in it.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 16:30:00 - [395] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: We'll tolerate controllers for FPS games that are truly awesome, finish the single player, and move on. This makes Dust 514 not awesome then otherwise you would tolerate the controller in it. Were there a single player to be had, it would be played and completed, then dismissed. Since there's not, you'd see me here until PlanetSide 2 came out, which if this didn't have keyboard and mouse support, would be the better game. Since we're getting keyboard and mouse support, it's a non-issue, since after the next patch I won't have to tolerate a horribly ill-suited and inferior control system for FPS games. Vetis Cato wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Templar Two wrote: ^^^ Frankly MKB won't be the reason why Dust 514 will fail and CCP will close. What the heck gives you the idea that that's even a possibility? You do realize that this entire project is funded off of what they make -solely- from EVE, right? Part of what they layed out in 2009 was that if some natural disaster were to wipe out the entire player base of EVE or Dust, whichever game was left would still work. The two games cooperate, but are also designed to be self-sufficient within their own bounds. Not having Dust would never kill EVE. hate to point it out but i think sony bought the sole rights, hence one of the reasons (among others) is a ps3 exclusive. so believe sony gave a large part of the funding. Considering the Sony Online Entertainment has no clue about anything to do with Dust (I bought the merc pack, items aren't showing up over a week later, so I spent a couple hours on the phone with PSN and SOE support last night), and PSN thinks SOE is handling it. CCP still owns the rights. The reason that the 360 version was scrapped is multiple. MSFT is very limiting of what you can do on the 360. They fought tooth and nail against letting CCP use their own servers (XBL is normally 100% peer-to-peer for gameplay, there ARE no servers). They wanted CCP to require people to pay for XBL Gold, as well, which CCP wasn't ok with. In the end, they went from "PS3 and 360" to "PS3 exclusive." There's no deal or contract involved that I'm aware of, it's simply PS3 exclusive by default since MSFT wasn't being reasonable, Sony was being reasonable, and they have no plans to make a PC version at this time (though they've hinted it may be a possibility in the future, they've made a point of not even hinting at anything conclusive, only going so far as to say that it technically could be done.)
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 16:35:00 - [396] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Were there a single player to be had, it would be played and completed, then dismissed. Since there's not, you'd see me here until PlanetSide 2 came out, which if this didn't have keyboard and mouse support, would be the better game. Since we're getting keyboard and mouse support, it's a non-issue, since after the next patch I won't have to tolerate a horribly ill-suited and inferior control system for FPS games. I don't follow you here: which one is better for you PS 2 or Dust 514? By the way I am happy to be a PS3 player even with my inferior controller. I have played too many FPS on PC to deny that the mouse is not better (if not too easy for me now) but that never stopped me from playing a game on PS3, even a FPS. My most pleasant memories in gaming have been with a controller in my hands and I won't apologies for this. We are not inferior because we use controllers and actually the fact that we can still be amazing with controller tells a lot. I hope you don't think inferior controller = inferior player.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:05:00 - [397] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Were there a single player to be had, it would be played and completed, then dismissed. Since there's not, you'd see me here until PlanetSide 2 came out, which if this didn't have keyboard and mouse support, would be the better game. Since we're getting keyboard and mouse support, it's a non-issue, since after the next patch I won't have to tolerate a horribly ill-suited and inferior control system for FPS games. I don't follow you here: which one is better for you PS 2 or Dust 514? By the way I am happy to be a PS3 player even with my inferior controller. I have played too many FPS on PC to deny that the mouse is not better (if not too easy for me now) but that never stopped me from playing a game on PS3, even a FPS. My most pleasant memories in gaming have been with a controller in my hands and I won't apologies for this. We are not inferior because we use controllers and actually the fact that we can still be amazing with controller tells a lot. I hope you don't think inferior controller = inferior player. I'm sorry you're having so much difficulty with basic concepts. Without mouse support, PS2 would almost certainly end up being the better game, or at least damn near close, so having proper controls would set it ahead. With mouse support, Dust 514 eliminates the headache of using horrible controls, and thus that massive negative point that would have had to be overcome to be worth playing. It hasn't stopped me from playing good shooters on console. The fact that they were so good is what kept me playing the Resistance series, and at least the single player modes of the Killzone series (overall "feel" of the game wasn't as good, couldn't quite put my finger on it, it just didn't seem to handle right, regardless of the controls as a factor; amazing story though, and well worth putting up with the controller for that), in spite of the horrible controls and headaches of using a controller in a game style that just isn't built for them. Now you're introducing a strawman, though. I never said controller users were inferior players. I have the utmost respect for players that can be good in spite of such a horrible control interface for these games. There are players that are better with a controller than those with a mouse. There are those that are better with a mouse than the other guy with a controller. This is a simple fact. As you rightly identify, though, mice are simply superior for FPS games, as they are the fastest and most precise interface for putting crosshairs on a target. Complaining that it's easy is also a strawman in itself. Is it easier to use a mouse than a controller? Of course it is! It's the better control for this type of game! Would you say "it's too easy" as an argument against buying a steering wheel to play GT5, rather than using the controller? Of course not, because it's a racing game, and a steering wheel offers more granular and precise control (there's a reason that the design has survived well over a century in the real world!). Likewise, you shouldn't be using "it's too easy" as an argument against using a mouse. It's a FPS, and a mouse offers faster and more precise control. Using a controller is artificially raising the difficulty, for no real return, by adding the issue of fighting against a poorly-suited control scheme. That's rather silly, but some people just prefer certain control schemes, regardless of the situational merits. That's fine. But let the rest of us use real controls and stop the whinging. We're getting real controls, that's not changing, and the whinging just pisses people off.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:18:00 - [398] - Quote Double post sorry.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:20:00 - [399] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: ...That's rather silly, but some people just prefer certain control schemes, regardless of the situational merits. That's fine. But let the rest of us use real controls and stop the whinging. We're getting real controls, that's not changing, and the whinging just pisses people off... You are not in love with the DS3 but hey that's fine...this thought doesn't mean controllers are not "real controls". Really the best/greatest minds in the video-game industry use controllers for their games, even FPS, so frankly I don't think you are in the position to say they are not "real controls".
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:33:00 - [400] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: ...That's rather silly, but some people just prefer certain control schemes, regardless of the situational merits. That's fine. But let the rest of us use real controls and stop the whinging. We're getting real controls, that's not changing, and the whinging just pisses people off... You are not in love with the DS3 but hey that's fine...this thought doesn't mean controllers are not "real controls". Really the best/greatest minds in the video-game industry use controllers for their games, even FPS, so frankly I don't think you are in the position to say they are not "real controls". What are the measurable, objective criteria you're basing your claim on? I actually really like the DS3, it's the best console controller on the market, IMO (i like the size and shape of the 360 controller better, but the button layout and design on the PS3 controller is far better, as it allows more comfortable access to more controls simultaneously, without having to remove fingers from other controls, like the 360 forces you to do). I'm still only going to use it when either A) the game is best played with a controller (this is NEVER the case with an FPS), or B) I'm forced to. That's it. Why would I willingly use the wrong tool for the job? Why would I willingly use something that just can't do it as well as another tool? I'm not going to beat a nail in with a screwdriver, and I'm not going to remove the tire on my car with a hammer. Likewise, I'm sure as hell not going to use a controller for a shooter when using a mouse is an option. Not providing that option basically sets a fixed life span on the game from the start: it'll last until the next game comes out (in this case, PlanetSide 2). All moot, though, since we ARE getting keyboard and mouse in the next patch, and so there's nothing to worry about. We'll have real controls soon :)

Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:24:00 - [401] - Quote Azura dark wrote: Templar Two protip, pc gamers always get what they want. They want lots of AAA games to be console exclusive And bad ports of the ones they get ??
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.07.08 20:36:00 - [402] - Quote http://memegenerator.net/instance/23029855 That is all.
spektair nujax Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2012.07.08 23:22:00 - [403] - Quote So im guessing its not in the game yet then? Sorry if im late to the party.
Freyar Tarkin Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.07.08 23:27:00 - [404] - Quote This is still going on. Hah!
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:32:00 - [405] - Quote What bothers me is how people consistently use the argument "It's not a PC game. It's a console game!" Console games use many different control methods. Kinect and Move come to mind. And while you could argue that they're terrible pieces of crap (Especially the former), it goes to show how a console can be flexible too. It's not limited to only gamepads. There's no reason why, if we're including Move support, we can't include Mouse and Keyboard support too. But the more I read these arguments, the more I realize that this issue isn't as cut and dry as it seems. Although I believe the sincerity for many folks, for many it isn't about one control method being better than another. Once Move support is finished, there's a good chance that it may actually be better than gamepads. But much fewer people will complain. Because for many, it isn't about the effectiveness of Mouse and Keyboard itself, it is about contempt for the PC gaming audience and/or the PC gaming platform. They think that, in a console game, then PC players shouldn't be able to apply their PC gaming knowledge and dominate among console gamers. But here's the thing: Mouse and Keyboard is not a PC gaming thing. Mouse and Keyboard is a thing for whatever platform supports it. We should look for ways to improve the capabilities of our controllers and improve the play experience as a whole. We shouldn't fear the change because it's not what came with the PS3 or that it is ideas from another platform.
Billy Pinkerton Algintal Core Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.07.10 01:35:00 - [406] - Quote I wonder if we will be able to play with any KB/M or a specific companies/type. Would be nice to use my Razer,even cooler if I could use a nostromo. lol
cSRT4 13	Posted - 2012.07.10 04:28:00 - [407] - Quote Edited by GM Kiriap.
GSP GoTSoMePoT Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 43	Posted - 2012.07.10 04:44:00 - [408] - Quote well lets not stop ther why not put the xboxs 360 controller on the ps3 so every boddy is happy...
VeXuit415 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.07.10 04:51:00 - [409] - Quote if their implementing KB/M im sure they will balance it between KB/M players and controller players
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.10 05:16:00 - [410] - Quote GSP GoTSoMePoT wrote: well lets not stop ther why not put the xboxs 360 controller on the ps3 so every boddy is happy... Only if they're allowed to and M$ won't throw a hissyfit. A lot of folks would be happy to see the 360 controller supported.

Ekull Zekariah 117	Posted - 2012.07.10 05:30:00 - [411] - Quote GSP GoTSoMePoT wrote: well lets not stop ther why not put the xboxs 360 controller on the ps3 so every boddy is happy... I would LOOOOOOOVE that! I own both consoles and each one has something over the other. But for me the Xbox controller is HANDS DOWN the better designed and more comfortable one. Each to their own, but I would pay extra for this. Back OT, either way you look at it the mouse is a much more effective look/movement tool than an analogue stick. If they were to introduce this feature, the mouse would somehow have to be handicapped. That would probably defeat the point of KB/M since the users would like their settings to be the same as when they play other FPSs on PC. I don't think it would be unfair if CCP gave us this feature, but the KB/M audience wouldn't like what they get after balancing tears it up.
Arcushek Dion Doomheim 73	Posted - 2012.07.10 05:57:00 - [412] - Quote Why do people keep clinging to the argument that Sony and MSFT shipped controllers with their consoles because they are superior. This is a fallacy. They ship with controllers because they are versatile. Jack of all trades master of none. You can't ship a console with a separate controller type that is superior for each genre of games, hence controllers
Mafty Navilles Erin Legitimate Businessman's Club 8	Posted - 2012.07.10 07:45:00 - [413] - Quote So just tell me this: 1) Driving wheel controllers are accepted for driving games. Wheel controllers offer far superior experience than the regular DS3 controller. So why is the KBM bashed so much, when all it does is offer the same superior experience? 2) Unlike the aforementioned driving wheel which costs anywhere from $50~$150, you can get KBM from around $20~, which isn't much of an investment. Hell, the DS3 costs more than that. So what if the PS3 came with 1 DS3. It didn't come with a driving wheel did it? Hardcore racers invested in wheel controllers to have a better experience. Why can't hardcore FPSers invest in a KBM to have a better experience? Most of you would happily get the next clone game for $59.99, so I'm sure a mere $20 isn't that much. Just skip a few coffees, beer, lunch, dinner....whatever. PS3 supports KBM on the get go. Everyone is offered the same environment in Dust. Whether you choose to get the KBM or not is up to you, so stop blaming someone else. And before you say PC gamers already have KBM so there's not investment, yes technically, but NO. Who the **** wants to keep unplugging KBM back and forth between your PC and PS3. I own both systems and I'm planning to get another set of KBM just for the PS3 for Dust's sake. So yes, I'm making the same investment as any other PS3 owners will do if they are serious.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.10 07:49:00 - [414] - Quote Ekull Zekariah wrote: Back OT, either way you look at it the mouse is a much more effective look/movement tool than an analogue stick. If they were to introduce this feature, the mouse would somehow have to be handicapped. That would probably defeat the point of KB/M since the users would like their settings to be the same as when they play other FPSs on PC. I said the same thing in the previous pages. Thought you said it far more synthetically which means you said it better.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.10 07:58:00 - [415] - Quote VeXuit415 wrote: if their implementing KB/M im sure they will balance it between KB/M players and controller players Yeah, and I'm sure "they" will discover a unified field theory. CCP won't manage either of these, but I'm sure "they" will someday...
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.10 07:59:00 - [416] - Quote People who don't want KBM are just QQing. It'll be nice to have a new control scheme. KBM brings more entertainment to the genre. Our characters will do as we ask, when we ask, which helps keep the immersion.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.10 08:05:00 - [417] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: People who don't want KBM are just QQing. It'll be nice to have a new control scheme. KBM brings more entertainment to the genre. Our characters will do as we ask, when we ask, which helps keep the immersion. They're going to have to "balance" them against one another. I read this as making one over noobified with auto aim and the other unresponsive and frustrating.

GM Kiriap Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2012.07.10 08:13:00 - [418] - Quote cSRT4 wrote: GO PLAY AEdited by GM Kiriap. PC GAME! GET THE Edited by GM Kiriap. OFF A PS3, YOU Edited by GM Kiriap.! cSRT4 wrote: Edited by GM Kiriap. CAN'T PLAY WITH A CONTROLLER. JUST POINT AND CLICK! WHAT A Edited by GM Kiriap. SHAM ! cSRT4 wrote: Edited by GM Kiriap.!!!! Your behaviour in this community forum is not allowed by the forum rules. If you want to continue acting like this, so please do it in other place, but not here. This is a direct warning to you cSRT4

Rebel3010 Lost-Legion 21	Posted - 2012.07.10 08:17:00 - [419] - Quote Mr514 wrote: Hi Is there ever going to be options to be able to use mouse and keyboard on this game? 1. if you use a keyboard/mouse, why bother putting it on a consle with MOVE/Dualshock3?? 2.only ppl who play PC games would consider CCP putting in mouse/KB funtion. this isnt the PC, its a PS3. how many games you know on consles use KB/M function on any system?
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.10 08:20:00 - [420] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: People who don't want KBM are just QQing. It'll be nice to have a new control scheme. KBM brings more entertainment to the genre. Our characters will do as we ask, when we ask, which helps keep the immersion. yup because spinning twelve times aroound the y-axis in a split second is immersive, and exactly how a character in real life would behave (real life as in - Make the game believable to a certain point to make said game immersive). I said it already and will say it again: You can test out KB/M on PS3, buy and play UT 3 on PS3 with KB/M. I have and it was a terrible experience, with lags and **** like that. And UT3 was made by Epic games, who know what they are doing, when it comes to FPS and KB/M. So if not even Epic Games could make KB/M a good thing on PS3, i'm not sure that CCP will (no offense CCP) get it done good enough to cater to all those KB/M Enthusiasts. IF however, the KB/M support on PS3 UT3 is proper for some out there, the fact doesn't change that there are combinations of KB/M do not work (my combination would be one of those), which means that the real possibility persists that many, many, many KB/M enthusiasts will come to the forum QQing, even if CCP doesn't put restrictions on the KB/M.



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